Thanks a lot for 3.2! Since our bibliography is becoming larger I am looking for better ways to present it. The search interface is very detailed but many people like to click around to find information. There are some places were I really wonder why the user should need two clicks instead of one. For instance why does "?action=listDisplay" present a form and not a list of links?
I'd like to give the user the possibility to click around by conferences, journals, keywords, categories and so on - you can select these fields in power search but this is not that comfortable and you cannot see how many items are stored with a specific value in advance. So I think of an aditional Menu named "List" where you can list all Journals, Conferences, Keywords, Authors, Record type... clickable and view the number of items for each. Such a feature is also useful to recognise errors in the records. How/Where could this be implemented?
Additionally it would be cool to make an author, a journal etc. clickable in the normal resource view (like already implemented with keywords and categories). Can this be done with styles?
The standard list page displays a form so that the user can order the list as they wish (I could add more options here). When a bibliography is exported to RTF, the order is taken from the last list operation (or select or search) so the user needs a function to re-order the list.
The other method of listing you describe can be done from Resources|Select where you can select resources (multiple select or not) on resource type, keyword, categories, creator, publisher, collection and it will display the number found.
I could make the author and journal ('collection') clickable when viewing a single resource. This can't be done from the style (and wouldn't really make sense to do it there -- I'm assuming you mean bibliographic style rather than CSS style). A possible problem with the clickable author (what I term 'creator') is that, depending on the style, not all creators will be displayed. What would be possible, would be to list the creators, collection (and publisher?) underneath in a similar manner to the way I display categories and keywords. If you want this, could you post it in the Sourceforge Feature Requests please? (Otherwise, such requests have a habit of going missing.)
I've updated the WIKIMEDIA link on the wikindx site.
Your point about index2.html - I don't really understand. It looks fine to me and the action you describe is the same for all the other pages and as I designed it.
BTW 1 -- your wikimedia CSS/template in the bibliography is problematic in IE6. Mainly the drop down menus which are too far below the top item. You'll find a javascript fix for this in templates/vert/menuShim.js (I think your template's based on that) with documentation in wikindx3/docs/templates/index.html
BTW 2 -- I'm assuming you're German. I do have a German localisation of WIKINDX but only as far as v2.3.7 when my German translator went AWOL. It will work in v3.2 but missing messages will be displayed in English. Would you (and Patrick?) like to volunteer to bring it up to date?
Mark.
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1/ Well I don't understand the point: index.php?action=listDisplay displays a list form where you can select one of "First Creator", "Title" etc. - so why not just presenting a list of links so you don't have to click twice?
2/ I know Resources|Select but this is a bit complex. I'd like an additional menu where you can Select List|Collections (for instance) and you get the same items like in Resources|Select but only the Collections in form of a list of hyperlinks with the number of records in each collection. searching and listing is very powerful but many people prefer easy browsing. Its also a simple and useful stat if you can see how many Collections/Authors/Years... you have and how your records are distributed. I created a feature request.
3/ Yet another feature request :-)
4/ Thanks for updating the link. I cannot reproduce my aberration so just forget about index2.html. BTW see http://wm.sieheauch.de/ (at the sidebar) for why I like the RSS feature so much.
5/ Thanks for pointing me to this. I should better RTFD!
6/ Do I just have to copy languages/en/* to languages/de/ and start to translate the strings in this files?
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In the forthcoming release (and now in CVS), it is possible to browse all creators, collections, publishers, categories and keywords with frequency of occurrence indicated explicitly by number and implicitly by 'tag clouds' using font size and colour.
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Hi!
Thanks a lot for 3.2! Since our bibliography is becoming larger I am looking for better ways to present it. The search interface is very detailed but many people like to click around to find information. There are some places were I really wonder why the user should need two clicks instead of one. For instance why does "?action=listDisplay" present a form and not a list of links?
I'd like to give the user the possibility to click around by conferences, journals, keywords, categories and so on - you can select these fields in power search but this is not that comfortable and you cannot see how many items are stored with a specific value in advance. So I think of an aditional Menu named "List" where you can list all Journals, Conferences, Keywords, Authors, Record type... clickable and view the number of items for each. Such a feature is also useful to recognise errors in the records. How/Where could this be implemented?
Additionally it would be cool to make an author, a journal etc. clickable in the normal resource view (like already implemented with keywords and categories). Can this be done with styles?
Thanks and keep on coding :-)
P.S: Can you please chance the link "WikiMedia" at
http://wikindx.sourceforge.net/index2.html to
http://bibliography.wikimedia.de and "Wikimedia Germany" instead of "WikiMedia"? By the way you can only find index2.html by first choosing another page and than switching to "Home"
Hi Jakob,
The standard list page displays a form so that the user can order the list as they wish (I could add more options here). When a bibliography is exported to RTF, the order is taken from the last list operation (or select or search) so the user needs a function to re-order the list.
The other method of listing you describe can be done from Resources|Select where you can select resources (multiple select or not) on resource type, keyword, categories, creator, publisher, collection and it will display the number found.
I could make the author and journal ('collection') clickable when viewing a single resource. This can't be done from the style (and wouldn't really make sense to do it there -- I'm assuming you mean bibliographic style rather than CSS style). A possible problem with the clickable author (what I term 'creator') is that, depending on the style, not all creators will be displayed. What would be possible, would be to list the creators, collection (and publisher?) underneath in a similar manner to the way I display categories and keywords. If you want this, could you post it in the Sourceforge Feature Requests please? (Otherwise, such requests have a habit of going missing.)
I've updated the WIKIMEDIA link on the wikindx site.
Your point about index2.html - I don't really understand. It looks fine to me and the action you describe is the same for all the other pages and as I designed it.
BTW 1 -- your wikimedia CSS/template in the bibliography is problematic in IE6. Mainly the drop down menus which are too far below the top item. You'll find a javascript fix for this in templates/vert/menuShim.js (I think your template's based on that) with documentation in wikindx3/docs/templates/index.html
BTW 2 -- I'm assuming you're German. I do have a German localisation of WIKINDX but only as far as v2.3.7 when my German translator went AWOL. It will work in v3.2 but missing messages will be displayed in English. Would you (and Patrick?) like to volunteer to bring it up to date?
Mark.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for you quick answer.
1/ Well I don't understand the point: index.php?action=listDisplay displays a list form where you can select one of "First Creator", "Title" etc. - so why not just presenting a list of links so you don't have to click twice?
2/ I know Resources|Select but this is a bit complex. I'd like an additional menu where you can Select List|Collections (for instance) and you get the same items like in Resources|Select but only the Collections in form of a list of hyperlinks with the number of records in each collection. searching and listing is very powerful but many people prefer easy browsing. Its also a simple and useful stat if you can see how many Collections/Authors/Years... you have and how your records are distributed. I created a feature request.
3/ Yet another feature request :-)
4/ Thanks for updating the link. I cannot reproduce my aberration so just forget about index2.html. BTW see http://wm.sieheauch.de/ (at the sidebar) for why I like the RSS feature so much.
5/ Thanks for pointing me to this. I should better RTFD!
6/ Do I just have to copy languages/en/* to languages/de/ and start to translate the strings in this files?
Hi Jakob,
I think the answer to 1/ and 2/ is simply to keep the number of menu items down. I've answered a bit more in the feature requests.
4/ Nice site and I'm glad to see RSS is working.
6/ I'll send an email about this.
I should also add that, if you do PHP programming yourself, it's possible to add your own modules to the menu system -- documentation in wikindx3/docs
Mark.
In the forthcoming release (and now in CVS), it is possible to browse all creators, collections, publishers, categories and keywords with frequency of occurrence indicated explicitly by number and implicitly by 'tag clouds' using font size and colour.