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Re: [Webmacro-devel] bug or feature?

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

If you do not correct this, I think it would be really worthwhile to 
copy/paste this to the developer section of the site if this is true.

-Lane

Keats wrote:

>Sharif,
>
>I believe there is a minor introspection problem with WM if your method has
>a "get(<primitive-type>)" declared before the "get(Object)" method.  You
>should be able to fix your problem by reordering your methods.  For example,
>import java.util.Hashtable;
>public class CustomMap extends Hashtable {
>  public Object get(Object key) {
>    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(Object) called with: " + key);
>    return super.get(key);
>  }
>  public Object get(int key) {
>    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(int) called with: " + key);
>    return super.get(new Integer(key));
>  }
>}
>
>Works, whereas:
>import java.util.Hashtable;
>public class CustomMap extends Hashtable {
>  public Object get(int key) {
>    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(int) called with: " + key);
>    return super.get(new Integer(key));
>  }
>  public Object get(Object key) {
>    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(Object) called with: " + key);
>    return super.get(key);
>  }
>}
>
>fails.
>
>I looked into fixing this a couple of years ago, but for some reason decided
>it wasn't worth it.  I could look into it again if folks think it's a big
>deal.
>
>Keats
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Sharif J. Alexandre" <sja...@ya...>
>To: <web...@li...>
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:31 PM
>Subject: [Webmacro-devel] bug or feature?
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have an object that extends a Hashtable and overloads the get() method
>>    
>>
>with
>  
>
>>a get(int).  When I place this object into a Context, I get an error when
>>    
>>
>any
>  
>
>>of the entries in that object are accessed.  Here's a portion of that
>>    
>>
>error:
>  
>
>>org.webmacro.PropertyException: Some kind of error occurred processing
>>    
>>
>your
>  
>
>>request: this indicates a failure in PropertyOperator.java that should be
>>reported: attempt to access method public java.lang.Object
>>org.dbadmin.util.MyMap.get(int) on object {systemDate=Jan 17, 2004 5:31:47
>>PM} with 1 parameters  threw an exception:
>>java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: argument type mismatch
>>
>>I did some digging and found that in engine/PropertyOperatorCache.java a
>>MethodAccessor class is defined which only allows one get method (I'm
>>    
>>
>using
>  
>
>>1.1 final).  Is there a reason for this?  Shouldn't it be possible to
>>    
>>
>include
>  
>
>>any object in a Context -- even if it's a subclassed Hashtable?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Sharif
>>
>>
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Re: [Webmacro-devel] bug or feature?

[Keats <ke...@xa...>]

Sharif,

I believe there is a minor introspection problem with WM if your method has
a "get(<primitive-type>)" declared before the "get(Object)" method.  You
should be able to fix your problem by reordering your methods.  For example,
import java.util.Hashtable;
public class CustomMap extends Hashtable {
  public Object get(Object key) {
    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(Object) called with: " + key);
    return super.get(key);
  }
  public Object get(int key) {
    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(int) called with: " + key);
    return super.get(new Integer(key));
  }
}

Works, whereas:
import java.util.Hashtable;
public class CustomMap extends Hashtable {
  public Object get(int key) {
    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(int) called with: " + key);
    return super.get(new Integer(key));
  }
  public Object get(Object key) {
    System.out.println("CustomMap.get(Object) called with: " + key);
    return super.get(key);
  }
}

fails.

I looked into fixing this a couple of years ago, but for some reason decided
it wasn't worth it.  I could look into it again if folks think it's a big
deal.

Keats

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sharif J. Alexandre" <sja...@ya...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: [Webmacro-devel] bug or feature?


> Hi,
>
> I have an object that extends a Hashtable and overloads the get() method
with
> a get(int).  When I place this object into a Context, I get an error when
any
> of the entries in that object are accessed.  Here's a portion of that
error:
>
> org.webmacro.PropertyException: Some kind of error occurred processing
your
> request: this indicates a failure in PropertyOperator.java that should be
> reported: attempt to access method public java.lang.Object
> org.dbadmin.util.MyMap.get(int) on object {systemDate=Jan 17, 2004 5:31:47
> PM} with 1 parameters  threw an exception:
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: argument type mismatch
>
> I did some digging and found that in engine/PropertyOperatorCache.java a
> MethodAccessor class is defined which only allows one get method (I'm
using
> 1.1 final).  Is there a reason for this?  Shouldn't it be possible to
include
> any object in a Context -- even if it's a subclassed Hashtable?
>
> Thanks,
> Sharif
>
>
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Re: [Webmacro-devel] bug or feature?

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hi Sharif,

The problem lies, I believe, in the introspector for WebMacro which is, 
as you discovered, a fairly complex piece of code which makes possible 
the scripting marriage to Java Object instances.

A Hashtable with two signatures:

get(Object)
get(int)

may work in the newer release of WebMacro available via CVS. Did you 
check this version out and try? Also, I do not see a reason why this 
problem could not be solved with a source change.

-Lane

Sharif J. Alexandre wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have an object that extends a Hashtable and overloads the get() method with
>a get(int).  When I place this object into a Context, I get an error when any
>of the entries in that object are accessed.  Here's a portion of that error:
>
>org.webmacro.PropertyException: Some kind of error occurred processing your
>request: this indicates a failure in PropertyOperator.java that should be
>reported: attempt to access method public java.lang.Object
>org.dbadmin.util.MyMap.get(int) on object {systemDate=Jan 17, 2004 5:31:47
>PM} with 1 parameters  threw an exception:
>java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: argument type mismatch
>
>I did some digging and found that in engine/PropertyOperatorCache.java a
>MethodAccessor class is defined which only allows one get method (I'm using
>1.1 final).  Is there a reason for this?  Shouldn't it be possible to include
>any object in a Context -- even if it's a subclassed Hashtable?
>
>Thanks,
>Sharif
>
>
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[Webmacro-devel] bug or feature?

[Sharif J. A. <sja...@ya...>]

Hi,

I have an object that extends a Hashtable and overloads the get() method with
a get(int).  When I place this object into a Context, I get an error when any
of the entries in that object are accessed.  Here's a portion of that error:

org.webmacro.PropertyException: Some kind of error occurred processing your
request: this indicates a failure in PropertyOperator.java that should be
reported: attempt to access method public java.lang.Object
org.dbadmin.util.MyMap.get(int) on object {systemDate=Jan 17, 2004 5:31:47
PM} with 1 parameters  threw an exception:
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: argument type mismatch

I did some digging and found that in engine/PropertyOperatorCache.java a
MethodAccessor class is defined which only allows one get method (I'm using
1.1 final).  Is there a reason for this?  Shouldn't it be possible to include
any object in a Context -- even if it's a subclassed Hashtable?

Thanks,
Sharif


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[Webmacro-devel] Fwd: SF.NET Project Donation System

[Eric R. <eb...@tc...>]

Do we want to do this?  I'm thinking no...

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Re: o.wm.Template broken? (was: Re: [Webmacro-devel] One case for "ditching" FastWriter)

[Eric R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Dec 9, 2003, at 2:41 PM, Lane Sharman wrote:

> my question was directed at finding an explanation.

yeah, and so was mine.

> Let's see if there is some recollection about this change before 
> making any hasty revisions, or resets.

Nobody's touching anything yet.  And I know *why* the change was made 
(not exposing FastWriter to the world), but I'm not convinced Brian 
realized the complete impact of this change.

eric

Re: o.wm.Template broken? (was: Re: [Webmacro-devel] One case for "ditching" FastWriter)

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

my question was directed at finding an explanation.

Let's see if there is some recollection about this change before making 
any hasty revisions, or resets.

-Lane

Eric Ridge wrote:

> On Dec 9, 2003, at 12:40 PM, Lane Sharman wrote:
>
>> Is there a cvs record of the change to o.w.Template?
>
>
> Of course there is.  But it doesn't explain this particular change.
>
> eric
>
>>
>> -lane
>>
>> Eric Ridge wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2003, at 7:26 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:
>>>
>>>> What my plan is is to pass in an OutputStream and encoding to
>>>> template.write, and hide the FW implementation so it is internal only.
>>>> This is very easy and retains all the benefits of using FW.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I realize I'm finally getting around to responding to a message that 
>>> is 5 months old, but....
>>>
>>> Why does org.webmacro.Template no longer "extend Macro"?
>>>
>>> Doesn't this prohibit one from simply referencing a template object 
>>> that is in the context and have it expand correctly?  For example:
>>>
>>> {
>>>     context.put("MyTemplate", new StringTemplate("$foo"));
>>> }
>>>
>>> #set $foo = "FOO!"
>>> $MyTemplate
>>>
>>> isn't this broken now?
>>>
>>> eric
>>>
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Re: o.wm.Template broken? (was: Re: [Webmacro-devel] One case for "ditching" FastWriter)

[Eric R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Dec 9, 2003, at 12:40 PM, Lane Sharman wrote:

> Is there a cvs record of the change to o.w.Template?

Of course there is.  But it doesn't explain this particular change.

eric

>
> -lane
>
> Eric Ridge wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 2003, at 7:26 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:
>>
>>> What my plan is is to pass in an OutputStream and encoding to
>>> template.write, and hide the FW implementation so it is internal 
>>> only.
>>> This is very easy and retains all the benefits of using FW.
>>
>>
>> I realize I'm finally getting around to responding to a message that 
>> is 5 months old, but....
>>
>> Why does org.webmacro.Template no longer "extend Macro"?
>>
>> Doesn't this prohibit one from simply referencing a template object 
>> that is in the context and have it expand correctly?  For example:
>>
>> {
>>     context.put("MyTemplate", new StringTemplate("$foo"));
>> }
>>
>> #set $foo = "FOO!"
>> $MyTemplate
>>
>> isn't this broken now?
>>
>> eric
>>
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Re: o.wm.Template broken? (was: Re: [Webmacro-devel] One case for "ditching" FastWriter)

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Is there a cvs record of the change to o.w.Template?

-lane

Eric Ridge wrote:

> On Jul 5, 2003, at 7:26 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:
>
>> What my plan is is to pass in an OutputStream and encoding to
>> template.write, and hide the FW implementation so it is internal only.
>> This is very easy and retains all the benefits of using FW.
>
>
> I realize I'm finally getting around to responding to a message that 
> is 5 months old, but....
>
> Why does org.webmacro.Template no longer "extend Macro"?
>
> Doesn't this prohibit one from simply referencing a template object 
> that is in the context and have it expand correctly?  For example:
>
> {
>     context.put("MyTemplate", new StringTemplate("$foo"));
> }
>
> #set $foo = "FOO!"
> $MyTemplate
>
> isn't this broken now?
>
> eric
>
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o.wm.Template broken? (was: Re: [Webmacro-devel] One case for "ditching" FastWriter)

[Eric R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Jul 5, 2003, at 7:26 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:

> What my plan is is to pass in an OutputStream and encoding to
> template.write, and hide the FW implementation so it is internal only.
> This is very easy and retains all the benefits of using FW.

I realize I'm finally getting around to responding to a message that is 
5 months old, but....

Why does org.webmacro.Template no longer "extend Macro"?

Doesn't this prohibit one from simply referencing a template object 
that is in the context and have it expand correctly?  For example:

{
	context.put("MyTemplate", new StringTemplate("$foo"));
}

#set $foo = "FOO!"
$MyTemplate

isn't this broken now?

eric

[Webmacro-devel] fixed bug

[Sebastian K. <seb...@mu...>]

Hi

I verified and fixed bug 853939 from our sourceforge-bug-page in cvs. However, 
it seems I cannot close it (or I simply don't understand how to use the sf 
bug tracker). Could some do it for me or give me the appropriate rights (I'm 
already listed as a developer).

Sebastian

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[Webmacro-devel] Re: Design Pattern

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Paul,=20
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 7:56 pm, Paul Senescu wrote:
> Hello Gentlemen -
>
> I figured I'd keep this off Webmacro
Not sure I think this is cool,=20
but here goes my 2p.=20

> , but if you have sec to respond
> that would be stellar and much appreciated.
>
> I have noticed that with both Oracle and PostgreSQL database table name=
s
> and columns are either defaulted to uppercase or lower case
> respectively. And I am a case sensitivity freak. I enjoy mapping my
> table names to objects as well as variables to column names. I am aware
> that in order to maintain case all I have to do is surround the String
> with quotes in the SQL. mySQL has an env variable for tables and column=
s
> are case sensitive by default. I would like to move my apps to
> PostgreSQL from mySQL. I enjoy mySQL because it prevents me from writin=
g
> stored procedures and I kind of just use it for a data store and create
> pseudo procedures in my app layer that I can just call. But I like the
> idea of schemas and functions, etc.
>
> My questions are:
> - How do you do it?

Melati does not enforce that you use all lowercase for sql types but=20
it was assumed that that would be the way one would use it.=20

Melati will generate methods with names derived from the column/table=20
name.=20

The original idea was that a filed such as 'display name' would look like=
=20
this:

jdbc: displayname
method: setDisplayname, getDisplayname
Meta Data: Display Name

However, as there was no compulsion and because we were forced to quote=20
all column/table names by dbs other than postgresql you can now use=20

jdbc: displayName
method: setDisplayName, getDisplayName
Meta Data: Display Name

> - Is everything in uppercase or lowercase?

The idea was that we would capitalise only the first letter, and that=20
a wierdly named method such as setDisplayname gave you a clue that it=20
was not a normal data field.=20

> - Does your preserved model maintain case then when you generate script=
s
yes, all names are quoted when we access the db.

>   you just leave out the quotes and allow the dB to convert the names t=
o
>   whatever it wants?

No, as Melati can cope with many different dbs, with different naming=20
conventions, and differing quoting conventions, we are forced to quote ev=
ery=20
name in a db specific manner, fortunately Melati does it all for you.=20

> - Is the technology moving away for dB's and just using XML (I'd like t=
o
>   stick to a dB, in particular postgre)?
I don't think so, how could anyone really replace Oracle?

There is the jakarta XMLDB project, I would be interested in others views=
=2E

> - Do you escape the quote in ever SQL String that you create in a .java
>   file?

Yes, fortunately Melati ensures that I NEVER have to write any SQL.=20

>
> Any feedback would be much appreciated.

your welcome, but I think that bypassing the archiving and the rest of th=
e=20
community does webmacro a diservice,=20
whilst I would very much like you as an individual to use Melati=20
I would also like the other webmacro users to see my comments and for=20
google to be able to access them .

Dammit, I am going to copy webmacro=20

cheers
timp

>
> cheers
> paul
>
> =A4 http://www.spydercomm.com =A4

Re: [Webmacro-devel] .. btw, what's happening?

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

I think we are catching our breath.

Personally, I think we have taken long enough and I am eager to get on=20
with it. It is a group effort and we all have to check in. Right now,=20
most of the developers are checked out :(.

-Lane

Endre St=F8lsvik wrote:

>There seemed to be this good steam around the project and a 2.0 drive so=
me
>months ago..  What happened?
>
> =20
>

--=20
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Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Eric R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Oct 20, 2003, at 3:25 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:

>> On Oct 20, 2003, at 3:24 AM, Endre St=F8lsvik wrote:
>>> Why would one want to be removed from Gump, really? To become less
>>> available?
>>
>> Having another entity broadcast that we don't build under their=20
>> system (maybe we don't build at all, haven't checked CVS in awhile)=20=

>> just doesn't seem like a good idea.  Esp. when that entity is our #1=20=

>> competitor.
>
> I think this is kind of backwards reasoning.  I think that being=20
> supported under Gump is a good thing which increases WM's reach.  I=20
> don't buy the "competitor" argument.  I think the Gump folks were=20
> really trying to be helpful and we were silly to tell them to go away.=20=

>  It makes us look like an island, and no project can afford to be an=20=

> island.

I'm not wanting to make WM an island.  But I do want to minimize noise=20=

and additional responsibility.  Especially that which comes from the=20
group that told us to "fuck off" a long time ago.  Currently, I don't=20
even have the time to checkout WM from CVS and see if it can build from=20=

the command-line, let alone the time to investigate why Gump (a project=20=

I've never used, on a system I can't directly access or know anything=20
about) can't build it.

Seriously, how many people on this list use Gump?  If SourceForge had=20
some automated build system that the majority of SF projects were=20
using, sure, that'd be great.  But Gump?  Please.

eric

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[<Web...@St...>]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Eric Ridge wrote:

| On Oct 20, 2003, at 3:24 AM, Endre St=F8lsvik wrote:
| > Why would one want to be removed from Gump, really? To become less
| > available?
|
| Having another entity broadcast that we don't build under their system
| (maybe we don't build at all, haven't checked CVS in awhile) just
| doesn't seem like a good idea.  Esp. when that entity is our #1
| competitor.

I thought that gump was a much larger entity than Jakarta. I thought that
"gumping" was a way of fetching your dependencies..

Hmm

E.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Brian G. <br...@qu...>]

>I'm not wanting to make WM an island.  But I do want to minimize noise and 
>additional responsibility.  Especially that which comes from the group 
>that told us to "fuck off" a long time ago.

Ancient history.

>Seriously, how many people on this list use Gump?  If SourceForge had some 
>automated build system that the majority of SF projects were using, sure, 
>that'd be great.  But Gump?  Please.

Gump is gaining acceptance, because it fills a need -- the ability to say 
"this project depends on Xerces/WebMacro/pdfBox/whatever" and the build 
process does the right thing.  Checking JARs for project X into the CVS of 
project Y is a pretty bad way to manage dependencies.  Having project Y 
export "I need X" is better -- and Gump deals with that, by having a 
database of projects and their associated download info.  I think Gump 
compatibility is worthwhile.

I think a better response would have been "Thanks for the heads up, but we 
don't have time to figure out how to gumpify WM -- can you tell us what we 
need to do, or can we help you learn to build WM?"



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Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Brian G. <br...@qu...>]

>On Oct 20, 2003, at 3:24 AM, Endre St=F8lsvik wrote:
>>Why would one want to be removed from Gump, really? To become less
>>available?
>
>Having another entity broadcast that we don't build under their system=20
>(maybe we don't build at all, haven't checked CVS in awhile) just doesn't=
=20
>seem like a good idea.  Esp. when that entity is our #1 competitor.

I think this is kind of backwards reasoning.  I think that being supported=
=20
under Gump is a good thing which increases WM's reach.  I don't buy the=20
"competitor" argument.  I think the Gump folks were really trying to be=20
helpful and we were silly to tell them to go away.  It makes us look like=20
an island, and no project can afford to be an island.



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Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Eric R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Oct 20, 2003, at 3:24 AM, Endre St=F8lsvik wrote:
> Why would one want to be removed from Gump, really? To become less
> available?

Having another entity broadcast that we don't build under their system=20=

(maybe we don't build at all, haven't checked CVS in awhile) just=20
doesn't seem like a good idea.  Esp. when that entity is our #1=20
competitor.

eric

[Webmacro-devel] .. btw, what's happening?

[<Web...@St...>]

There seemed to be this good steam around the project and a 2.0 drive som=
e
months ago..  What happened?

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Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[<Web...@St...>]

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Eric B.Ridge wrote:

| On Oct 17, 2003, at 4:52 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
|
| >> Personally, I don't want to receive email from Gump or Jakarta.  They
| >> put us in Gump, they can submit patches if we don't build under their
| >> system.  Anybody else?
| >
| > Hey, I walked into something I have no clue of. I'll happily remove
| > you from
| > Gump if it ruffles feathers. Sorry for the noise.
|
| :)  Being awake ruffles my feathers.
|
| But unless somebody else speaks up, yeah, I'd like to see us removed
| from Gump.  And if you're able to do that, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Why would one want to be removed from Gump, really? To become less
available?

Endre.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Adam R. B. J. <aj...@tr...>]

> Personally, I don't want to receive email from Gump or Jakarta.  They
> put us in Gump, they can submit patches if we don't build under their
> system.  Anybody else?

Hey, I walked into something I have no clue of. I'll happily remove you from
Gump if it ruffles feathers. Sorry for the noise.

regards

Adam

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Eric B. R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Oct 17, 2003, at 7:24 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
> As it stood, no project seems to be Gumping off it, so if you don't 
> want it
> there it might as well be gone.
> So ... done.

Thanks Adam.

I wanna apologize for my bad attitude and especially my comment of "I 
don't wanna receive mail from Jakarta".  We do have friends in Jakarta 
land, including members of the Velocity project.

eric

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Adam R. B. J. <aj...@tr...>]

> :)  Being awake ruffles my feathers.

I know that feeling. ;-)

> But unless somebody else speaks up, yeah, I'd like to see us removed
> from Gump.  And if you're able to do that, I'd greatly appreciate it.

As it stood, no project seems to be Gumping off it, so if you don't want it
there it might as well be gone.
So ... done.

[If anybody wants it back, the configuration can be restored from CVS.]

regards

Adam

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Eric B. R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Oct 17, 2003, at 4:52 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:

>> Personally, I don't want to receive email from Gump or Jakarta.  They
>> put us in Gump, they can submit patches if we don't build under their
>> system.  Anybody else?
>
> Hey, I walked into something I have no clue of. I'll happily remove 
> you from
> Gump if it ruffles feathers. Sorry for the noise.

:)  Being awake ruffles my feathers.

But unless somebody else speaks up, yeah, I'd like to see us removed 
from Gump.  And if you're able to do that, I'd greatly appreciate it.

eric

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Gump build issue...

[Eric B. R. <eb...@tc...>]

On Oct 17, 2003, at 3:52 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:

>> Who registered us with Gump, any why?
>
> I guess I assumed that you guys did, but maybe it was somebody who 
> depended
> on your code and wanted to be Gumped on your latest versions.
>
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-gump/project/webmacro.xml
>
> Shows:
>
>     Thu Mar 28 03:25:13 2002 UTC (18 months, 3 weeks ago) by jvanzyl

hmm.  Jason was the one of the original authors of Velocity... ya know, 
the app that ripped us off.  :)  (no hard feelings, really).

Personally, I don't want to receive email from Gump or Jakarta.  They 
put us in Gump, they can submit patches if we don't build under their 
system.  Anybody else?

eric