Re: webadmin-list digest, Vol 1 #215 - 10 msgs

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>    1. Re: Webmin and Caldera (Jamie Cameron)
>    2. Re: Webmin and Caldera (Kenneth Porter)
>    3. RE: Webmin and Caldera (Richard Teachout)
>    4. RE: Webmin and Caldera (Dan)
>    5. Re[2]: Webmin and Caldera (Patrick Erler)
>    6. Re: DHCP lease file statistics (Craig White)
>    7. RE: Webmin and Caldera (Craig White)
>    8. Sorry, OT but nowhere else to go (docv)
>    9. RE: Webmin and Caldera (Rodolfo J. Paiz)
>   10. Re: Webmin and Caldera (Rodolfo J. Paiz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:59:48 +1000
> From: Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>
> Organization: Webmin Software
> To: web...@li...
> Subject: Re: Webmin and Caldera
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> Craig White wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: web...@li...
> > > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> > > Cameron
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:59 AM
> > > To: web...@we...
> > > Subject: Webmin and Caldera
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Webmin users,
> > >
> > > As of 1st July, Caldera will no longer be sponsoring the
> > > full-time development of Webmin. This means I will have to
> > > go out and get a real job, and so there will be a slowdown
> > > in the speed of development and support in future ..
> > >
> > > I will be continuing development in my spare time though,
> > > and will gladly accept any patches or new modules that
> > > people want to contribute. In future, the best option may
> > > be to use the sourceforge CVS server to open development
> > > up to anyone who wants to contribute ..
> > >
> > >  - Jamie
> > ----------
> > I have been pitching webmin on the 'seawolf' mailing list (Redhat 7.1
> > distro) - because their 'server' configuration offers diddly for config
> > utilities - all of their config utilities are gnome/x and though they
have
> > the linuxconf rpm on their binary disks, by default it isn't installed,
and
> > in fact, it is referred to as deprecated. And of course, X isn't
installed
> > on their 'server' configuration so the only tools left for configuration
are
> > vim/emacs/pico and the deprecated linuxconf.
> >
> > What's to stop you from getting sponsorship from RedHat or Suse or ???
>
> I think suse is pretty much comitted to YAST, but maybe redhat would be
> interested. Though linuxconf does seem to be what they are focusing on
> these days at least for their desktop configurations.. are you sure it
> is really depreciated on their server config?
>
>  - Jamie
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "Kenneth Porter" <sh...@we...>
> To: "web...@li..."
<web...@li...>
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:30:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: Webmin and Caldera
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:59:48 +1000, Jamie Cameron wrote:
>
> >I think suse is pretty much comitted to YAST, but maybe redhat would be
> >interested. Though linuxconf does seem to be what they are focusing on
> >these days at least for their desktop configurations.. are you sure it
> >is really depreciated on their server config?
>
> It's deprecated across the board, not just with servers. It's in the
> release README.
>
> I've used linuxconf some in the past when I was first getting started
> with RH5.2, and it was a reasonable utility. However, it hasn't kept up
> with all the software it claims to support. In particular, the sendmail
> FAQ sternly advises users not to touch it for sendmail config, as it
> writes cf files for 8.8 that leave a post-8.8 sendmail with security
> problems. (Hence my own concern about webmin writing a cf file instead
> of the more desirable mc file.)
>
> linuxconf is probably still servicable for some of the more central
> stuff like the files in /etc/sysconfig. I've used the netconf module
> for managing interfaces with success. I wouldn't use it for application
> management, though, unless a module were written by someone close to
> the application team who's kept it up to date.
>
> Ken
> mailto:sh...@we...
> http://www.sewingwitch.com/ken/
> [If answering a mailing list posting, please don't cc me your reply. I'll
take my answer on the list.]
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> From: "Richard Teachout" <we...@te...>
> To: <web...@li...>
> Subject: RE: Webmin and Caldera
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:32:06 -0500
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> Jamie-
>
> Yeah.. I utilize redhat only, and EVERY TIME I use linuxconf
> it royally screws up something else that you weren't even modifying.
> It might fix your ONE problem, but cause 2 more, and make the
> config files screwy!...
> (I know.. I know.. why do I keep doing it.. sometimes you have to
> fix something, that you know how to do manually, but it is not
> doing it, and you have to RESORT to linuxconf to fix it until you
> can get webmin installed to fix it!))
>
> I definitely (and my RHCE's on staff agree with me WholeHeartedly).
> that NO ONE SHOULD BE USING LINUXCONF ON A SERVER! Expecially a
> live server relying on configurations...maybe a NEW server that still
> is not yet live.. but not a live one...
>
> I'd try to get them to sponsor you a bit. Why knows!
>
> -Richard Teachout
> JRT Consulting, L.L.C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web...@li...
> [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> Cameron
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:00 AM
> To: web...@li...
> Subject: Re: Webmin and Caldera
>
>
> Craig White wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: web...@li...
> > > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> > > Cameron
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:59 AM
> > > To: web...@we...
> > > Subject: Webmin and Caldera
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Webmin users,
> > >
> > > As of 1st July, Caldera will no longer be sponsoring the
> > > full-time development of Webmin. This means I will have to
> > > go out and get a real job, and so there will be a slowdown
> > > in the speed of development and support in future ..
> > >
> > > I will be continuing development in my spare time though,
> > > and will gladly accept any patches or new modules that
> > > people want to contribute. In future, the best option may
> > > be to use the sourceforge CVS server to open development
> > > up to anyone who wants to contribute ..
> > >
> > >  - Jamie
> > ----------
> > I have been pitching webmin on the 'seawolf' mailing list (Redhat 7.1
> > distro) - because their 'server' configuration offers diddly for config
> > utilities - all of their config utilities are gnome/x and though they
have
> > the linuxconf rpm on their binary disks, by default it isn't installed,
> and
> > in fact, it is referred to as deprecated. And of course, X isn't
installed
> > on their 'server' configuration so the only tools left for configuration
> are
> > vim/emacs/pico and the deprecated linuxconf.
> >
> > What's to stop you from getting sponsorship from RedHat or Suse or ???
>
> I think suse is pretty much comitted to YAST, but maybe redhat would be
> interested. Though linuxconf does seem to be what they are focusing on
> these days at least for their desktop configurations.. are you sure it
> is really depreciated on their server config?
>
>  - Jamie
>
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> Message: 4
> From: "Dan" <dan...@cy...>
> To: <web...@li...>
> Subject: RE: Webmin and Caldera
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:12:05 -0400
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> RH 7.1 doesn't install Linuxconf anymore unless you select the individual
> packages (At least for the custom install).  Since RH 7.1 already comes
with
> OpenSSL preinstalled, it is ready for Webmin using SSL.  If there is
> anything we can do, don't hesitate to let us know.  Good luck!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: web...@li...
> [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> Cameron
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 5:00 AM
> To: web...@li...
> Subject: Re: Webmin and Caldera
>
>
> Craig White wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: web...@li...
> > > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> > > Cameron
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:59 AM
> > > To: web...@we...
> > > Subject: Webmin and Caldera
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Webmin users,
> > >
> > > As of 1st July, Caldera will no longer be sponsoring the
> > > full-time development of Webmin. This means I will have to
> > > go out and get a real job, and so there will be a slowdown
> > > in the speed of development and support in future ..
> > >
> > > I will be continuing development in my spare time though,
> > > and will gladly accept any patches or new modules that
> > > people want to contribute. In future, the best option may
> > > be to use the sourceforge CVS server to open development
> > > up to anyone who wants to contribute ..
> > >
> > >  - Jamie
> > ----------
> > I have been pitching webmin on the 'seawolf' mailing list (Redhat 7.1
> > distro) - because their 'server' configuration offers diddly for config
> > utilities - all of their config utilities are gnome/x and though they
have
> > the linuxconf rpm on their binary disks, by default it isn't installed,
> and
> > in fact, it is referred to as deprecated. And of course, X isn't
installed
> > on their 'server' configuration so the only tools left for configuration
> are
> > vim/emacs/pico and the deprecated linuxconf.
> >
> > What's to stop you from getting sponsorship from RedHat or Suse or ???
>
> I think suse is pretty much comitted to YAST, but maybe redhat would be
> interested. Though linuxconf does seem to be what they are focusing on
> these days at least for their desktop configurations.. are you sure it
> is really depreciated on their server config?
>
>  - Jamie
>
> -
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:48:22 +0200
> From: Patrick Erler <pat...@dr...>
> To: Robert Bossecker <web...@li...>
> Subject: Re[2]: Webmin and Caldera
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> hello Robert!
>
> on Saturday, June 30, 2001, 1:44:04 AM, you wrote:
>
> RB> Patrick Erler wrote:
> >>
> >> hello Robert!
> >>
> >> on Friday, June 29, 2001, 11:29:49 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> RB> I spoke with some SuSE people at the Systems last year. They
> >> RB> were not very happy about using webmin, they prefer to use
> >> RB> YaST or YaST2 to get things managed. So i think SuSE may
> >> RB> only be interested if webmin uses the same config files
> >> RB> and methods like YaST does.
> >> don't! don't! yast is the last you should try to be compatible
> >> to... it's terrible.. (there almoste slipped "windows-like" over
> >> my lips ;) )
>
> RB> Don't panic
>
> RB> in my lifetime i got in touch with more than 20 flavours of
> RB> UNIX, so i don't care much to rely on gui-stuff but sometimes
> RB> i use them only for convinence. I know the soft and the hard way
> RB> as well. If you want to give ratings on tools you first have to
> RB> use them, than you can decide. IMHO a lot of people prefer
> RB> GUI-stuff because they think command line is too much complicated.
> RB> In my daily work i rely on automated configuration tasks to get
> RB> managed more than 150 servers of different OS and Releases.
> RB> webmin came into my life when i seeked for some help in
> RB> allowing dumb users to manage their servers without giving
> RB> them complete "root" access. So the community around Jamie
> RB> did a great job and hopefully i will also contribute to that
> RB> work with some patches/enhancements.
>
> i didn't shout NO! because Yast is a GUI , but that i quite often
> didn't get enough feedback from it, i.e. "there was an error"
> nothing more - that's what i meant with "windows like"
>
> i mean, why do we like webmin if not because it's a GUI ;)
>
> regards,
>
>
> PAT
> --
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> To: web...@li...
> Subject: Re: DHCP lease file statistics
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:38:46 -0700 (MST)
> From: Craig White <cra...@az...>
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> Quoting Kenneth Porter <sh...@we...>:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:11:48 -0500, Mike Evans wrote:
> >
> > >The latest version of webmin (v0.86) does work with v3.0 config & lease
> > files.  (At least we are using it here with 3.0rc8 :)
> >
> > Same versions here. Are you using bootp leases? Those are the ones
> > that
> > didn't show up in the webmin lease list. As Ted says, I'm sure it
> > would
> > be trivial to extend the Perl to handle them.
> >
> > Now if only there were Perl omapi bindings so webmin could use the
> > "official" way of releasing leases on a live server.
> >
> > (I'd also like to see DDNS support in webmin for my dynamic zones
> > updated by DHCP, esp. my reverse zone. Guess I'll have to go study the
> > man page for perl-Net-DNS.)
> >
> ---
> I'm quite certain that you are not the only one with this interest.
>
> ;-)
>
> Craig
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "Craig White" <cra...@az...>
> To: <web...@li...>
> Subject: RE: Webmin and Caldera
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:40:23 -0700
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: web...@li...
> > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> > Cameron
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:00 AM
> > To: web...@li...
> > Subject: Re: Webmin and Caldera
> >
> >
> > Craig White wrote:
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: web...@li...
> > > > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Jamie
> > > > Cameron
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:59 AM
> > > > To: web...@we...
> > > > Subject: Webmin and Caldera
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Webmin users,
> > > >
> > > > As of 1st July, Caldera will no longer be sponsoring the
> > > > full-time development of Webmin. This means I will have to
> > > > go out and get a real job, and so there will be a slowdown
> > > > in the speed of development and support in future ..
> > > >
> > > > I will be continuing development in my spare time though,
> > > > and will gladly accept any patches or new modules that
> > > > people want to contribute. In future, the best option may
> > > > be to use the sourceforge CVS server to open development
> > > > up to anyone who wants to contribute ..
> > > >
> > > >  - Jamie
> > > ----------
> > > I have been pitching webmin on the 'seawolf' mailing list (Redhat 7.1
> > > distro) - because their 'server' configuration offers diddly for
config
> > > utilities - all of their config utilities are gnome/x and
> > though they have
> > > the linuxconf rpm on their binary disks, by default it isn't
> > installed, and
> > > in fact, it is referred to as deprecated. And of course, X
> > isn't installed
> > > on their 'server' configuration so the only tools left for
> > configuration are
> > > vim/emacs/pico and the deprecated linuxconf.
> > >
> > > What's to stop you from getting sponsorship from RedHat or Suse or ???
> >
> > I think suse is pretty much comitted to YAST, but maybe redhat would be
> > interested. Though linuxconf does seem to be what they are focusing on
> > these days at least for their desktop configurations.. are you sure it
> > is really depreciated on their server config?
> >
> ---
> Officially deprecated for ALL setups though the binary is included. Yes,
> server too. Came as a bit of a shock when I set up the first server on 7.1
> (seawolf) and there were no config utilities at all (excepting the obvious
> text editors).
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:01:26 -0500
> From: docv <do...@kc...>
> To: webmin-list <web...@li...>
> Subject: Sorry, OT but nowhere else to go
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> Webminsters,
>
> I appologize for the off topic message but have had no success finding
> where to solve a problem and I knew someone here would know where I can
> find my solution.
>
> My boot log is filled to the brim with messages like the following (I
> think they are coming from my Windoze HD);
>
>
> 1114 Time(s): 16:01: rw=0, want=12723633, limit=12715416
> and
> 5879 Time(s): Directory sread (sector 0x1844b5d) failed
>
> Where can I go to find out what these mean and how to fix them?
>
> Please respond via email to not clutter up the list.
>
> Thanks, to Jamie for the excellent Software of Webmin and this list
> (that has taught me a lot about webmin) and to all of you who are on the
> list your responses ahve been greatly appreciated as they have helped me
> understand linux much better! I am very greatful to you all!
>
> --
>
> Steve
> do...@kc...
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:41:53 -0500
> To: web...@li...
> From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rp...@go...>
> Subject: RE: Webmin and Caldera
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> At 6/30/01 07:40 AM -0700, you wrote:
> >Officially deprecated for ALL setups though the binary is included. Yes,
> >server too. Came as a bit of a shock when I set up the first server on
7.1
> >(seawolf) and there were no config utilities at all (excepting the
obvious
> >text editors).
>
> I'm still on 7.0, but I've been using the text config files and Webmin
> exclusively, so never noticed anything missing. :)
>
> By the way, Craig, could you *please* trim your posts a little? You always
> have good input, but quoting 60 lines of text to add 3 is rather a PITA to
> read. Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Rodolfo J. Paiz
> rp...@go...
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:45:18 -0500
> To: web...@li...
> From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rp...@go...>
> Subject: Re: Webmin and Caldera
> Reply-To: web...@li...
>
> At 6/30/01 02:30 AM -0700, you wrote:
> >I've used linuxconf some in the past when I was first getting started
> >with RH5.2, and it was a reasonable utility. However, it hasn't kept up
> >with all the software it claims to support. In particular, the sendmail
> >FAQ sternly advises users not to touch it for sendmail config, as it
> >writes cf files for 8.8 that leave a post-8.8 sendmail with security
> >problems. (Hence my own concern about webmin writing a cf file instead
> >of the more desirable mc file.)
>
> Wouldn't it be overall much more desirable, and safer, and easier to
write,
> to have Webmin create a sendmail.mc file instead of modifying the cf? I'm
> new at this, but it seems like the mc is what we're told to write and to
> leave the cf pretty much alone.
>
>
> --
> Rodolfo J. Paiz
> rp...@go...
>
>
>
>
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