From: emdeex <em...@gm...> - 2007-07-23 00:13:30
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This is really getting off topic into personal abuse and recrimination. All the people that have contributed code are *greatly* respected by the majority of webERP users. I love webERP and it's good and getting better. Please let's hang in there. Back on topic, I don't see that including a GPL boilerplate in each file makes any real-world difference, *but* I think it's a fine compromise to include it in each file if some people feel that strongly about it. On 7/22/07, st...@se... <st...@se...> wrote: > > Phil does not understand the GPL. That is the main point to the message > below that I am responding to. > > Danie adheres to the GPL. So does Steve. Not only legally but in essence. > > In reality, Phil almost never wanted the code Danie tried to contribute. I > believe much of the time he said it was too specific. Why would Danie keep > going on after repetitively getting rejected? It must also be realized that > if Danie is not distributing his (or his customers) work then they do not > have to contribute it. Anyone can use webERP, modify it and not contribute > THEIR work back. Keep in mind that when Danie does work for a particular > customer he and they are not distributing anything. They are working on the > customer's system. By the way, this is important because it allows the > retention of proprietary work that gives them an edge over the competition. > That is their right in a free society. In clearly reading the GPL, it's all > about distribution. > > As for myself, I graciously let Phil see some work that is not done to a > state yet that could be incorporated. It would be unusable and rejected. > Having been around for the entire time that webERP has gone anywhere and > always having done second most, as Phil has often said, I know that. Some of > the work will end up as part of the GPL project base. Some, people may want > to keep under their belt, which is allowable. Some will take considerable > more work before it could be part of the GPL base. This is based on reality, > as opposed to Phil's fantastical, unrealistic and unknowledgeable version. > On top of it there is a sole manager who knows little about the proper and > timely release of software or licensing, as is stated below. > > Although there are a few specific sections that discuss copying and > modification, the majority of points in the GPL clearly say DISTRIBUTION. > Those do not say modification or copying. Everything should not be assumed > to cover copying, modification and distribution. Certain points are about > each. Make sure to read it clearly. Wayne is as right as I have seen about > this topic. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: web...@li... [ > *mailto:web...@li...*<web...@li...>] > On Behalf Of Phil Daintree > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:48 PM > To: webERP Developers > Subject: Re: [WebERP-developers] Copyright notices, and License statements > On Friday 20 July 2007 20:17, Tim Schofield wrote: > > I seem to remember from other projects I have been involved with over > > the years that part of the requirements for placing a project under > > the GPL was that each and every source file should contain a copyright > > notice, and some standard wording stating that copying the program was > > governed by the GPL (don't recall the exact wording, but something to > > this effect). > > > > I notice that weberp does not have this on any of its files, though it > > does contain a copy of the license. Is this an oversight, or is this > > me just getting mixed up? > > > > Thanks > > Tim > > I am a little ambivolent regarding licensing. > In a project which does not make any money how could we claim damages for > breach? > Who would finance any legal action for breach? > It seems quite unlikely that open-source projects could actually take > action > and insist such licenses be upheld. > I am aware of many instances where the GPL is clearly breached even by > once > developers of webERP.... > Danie has extensively developed webERP - I have never seen his code > available > under GPL? > I have seen modifications that Steve Kaill has made that have never been > offered back. > Who will front up to insist that the license is adhered to? > The result is that GPL means a free for all - the obligations of the GPL > are > not enforcable in practise. > For this reason I'm keen to keep fluff out of the code. > However, if someone finds the code useful and develop from it - I'd rather > > they give it back to the project ... this is a legal obligation - but not > really enforcable. More often than not though developments are not stuff > we > can all use - this bit is not a legal obligation under the GPL. > Phil > -- > Phil Daintree > Logic Works Ltd > *http://www.logicworks.co.nz* <http://www.logicworks.co.nz/> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. 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