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From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-06-03 17:14:06
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(Responding to both -devel and -users.) On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:26PM +0800, Shih-Chin Yang wrote: > Hi, Bill: > Many thanks for your comments. > > As a matter of fact, I would like to make the tablet as simple as > possible, but with features like large drawing area, transparent. The > tablet would still require a tethered stylus, but not pressure sensitive. Ok, so it's technology closer to a Wacom tablet than a Koala Pad drawing tablet or a touchscreen (e.g., a CRT at an Automated Teller Machine) > Even though the prototype work for windows only for now, but with proper > drivers, it could also support Linux, Mac OS etc. And it could work with > any software other than TuxPaint. How does Windows see the device? I would imagine it would not need to act much different from a plain pointer input device (like a mouse or trackball). Is it (going to) connect(ed) by USB? The Koala Pad on the Atari 8-bit acted as two Paddle controllers (potentiometers), one representing X, the other Y. The two buttons on the Koala Pad acted as Paddle fire buttons (digital on/off). Once upon a time I had a little device a friend and I made which allowed me to connect Atari Paddle controllers to a PC's joystick port (the kind you used to find on sound cards like the SoundBlaster). I imagine I could have used the X/Y/Fire of the joystick input on the PC (say, under Linux) to utilize the Koala Pad. Unfortunately, at the time, I had no Koala Pad. And these days, PCs don't have the old-style analog joystick input. I've got a StellAdapter (Atari video game/computer system controller to USB converter), but I don't recall if it supports Paddle inputs... it may only do joystick (which were 4 digital values on the Atari). > What hardware features(buttons) do you think might help to put on the > tablet? Other than a plain transparent board? Honestly, I don't know! I think keeping it simple would be the best and most flexible route. Have you looked at the Digital Arts and Crafts Studio's drawing tablet? It includes an assortment of buttons for choosing colors, tools, etc. I can map most of those to controls within Tux Paint, but really, Tux Paint can do so much more than the DACS software can (in some ways, at least), so those buttons are more of a burden. :) What do others out here think of Shin-Chin's device? PS - I'd happily accept a prototype to play with. :^D -bill! |
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From: Shih-Chin Y. <sya...@gm...> - 2008-06-04 07:48:55
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Hi, Bill: Thanks for your comments! Please see my comments below ... On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote: > (Responding to both -devel and -users.) > > On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 02:30:26PM +0800, Shih-Chin Yang wrote: > > Hi, Bill: > > Many thanks for your comments. > > > > As a matter of fact, I would like to make the tablet as simple as > > possible, but with features like large drawing area, transparent. The > > tablet would still require a tethered stylus, but not pressure > sensitive. > > Ok, so it's technology closer to a Wacom tablet than a Koala Pad drawing > tablet or a touchscreen (e.g., a CRT at an Automated Teller Machine) > > Y.S.C> Yes, it is closer to a Wacom tablet. > > > Even though the prototype work for windows only for now, but with > proper > > drivers, it could also support Linux, Mac OS etc. And it could work > with > > any software other than TuxPaint. > > How does Windows see the device? I would imagine it would not need to act > much different from a plain pointer input device (like a mouse or > trackball). > Is it (going to) connect(ed) by USB? Y.S.C.> For now, it appears as a mouse but with absolute (X,Y) positioning. And it is connected using USB. > > > The Koala Pad on the Atari 8-bit acted as two Paddle controllers > (potentiometers), one representing X, the other Y. The two buttons on > the Koala Pad acted as Paddle fire buttons (digital on/off). > > Once upon a time I had a little device a friend and I made which allowed me > to connect Atari Paddle controllers to a PC's joystick port (the kind you > used to find on sound cards like the SoundBlaster). I imagine I could have > used the X/Y/Fire of the joystick input on the PC (say, under Linux) to > utilize the Koala Pad. > > Unfortunately, at the time, I had no Koala Pad. And these days, PCs don't > have the old-style analog joystick input. I've got a StellAdapter > (Atari video game/computer system controller to USB converter), but I don't > recall if it supports Paddle inputs... it may only do joystick > (which were 4 digital values on the Atari). > > > > What hardware features(buttons) do you think might help to put on the > > tablet? Other than a plain transparent board? > > Honestly, I don't know! I think keeping it simple would be the best and > most flexible route. > Perhaps I should keep it very simple, a plain board but a ON/OFF button to solve the conflict between mouse and the tablet. Or maybe a Tux Paint quick launch button? > > > Have you looked at the Digital Arts and Crafts Studio's drawing tablet? > It includes an assortment of buttons for choosing colors, tools, etc. > I can map most of those to controls within Tux Paint, but really, Tux Paint > can do so much more than the DACS software can (in some ways, at least), > so those buttons are more of a burden. :) Y.S.C. > I saw DACs on Amazon, but I didn't own one. Does it work like a Wacom tablet? Does it have any pressure sensor? To save cost, I probably won't put those coloring buttons on the board to keep the tablet simple and smaller. > > > What do others out here think of Shin-Chin's device? > > PS - I'd happily accept a prototype to play with. :^D > Y.S.C. > I would see if I could arrange it. > > -bill! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-devel mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-devel > |
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From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-06-04 14:08:09
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On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 03:48:59PM +0800, Shih-Chin Yang wrote: > > Y.S.C.> For now, it appears as a mouse but with absolute (X,Y) > positioning. And it is connected using USB. Ok, then it should probably work with Linux out of the box, I would think. (You can test it yourself -- if you don't have Linux, just get a LiveCD like Knoppix, and boot into Linux temporarily :) ) > Y.S.C. > I saw DACs on Amazon, but I didn't own one. Does it work like a > Wacom tablet? Does it have any pressure sensor? To save cost, I probably > won't put those coloring buttons on the board to keep the tablet simple > and smaller. It does not register as a Wacom tablet -- not one that X-Window on Linux recognizes, at least. The buttons appear as joystick inputs. If I recall, it seemed to appear as an XBox controller...? A friend has mine now, and has spent some occasional time trying to get it to work under Linux. I should get it back from him. :) > Y.S.C. > I would see if I could arrange it. Wow, cool, thank you so much! :) -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ |
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From: Sandra L G. <sg...@ro...> - 2008-06-04 14:40:51
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Bill: I am retiring from RISD this year, however, still want to be in the forum b/c I will continue to advise the district on the use of your program and am also using it w/my new grandchildren who are so "captivated" by it as I am using it to teaching them to recognize their names, letters, stamp names, etc. Thanks so much for all you do. Our district loves the program! Sandy Sandy Grubb Instructional Technology Specialist sg...@ro... >>> Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> 6/4/2008 9:08 AM >>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 03:48:59PM +0800, Shih-Chin Yang wrote: > > Y.S.C.> For now, it appears as a mouse but with absolute (X,Y) > positioning. And it is connected using USB. Ok, then it should probably work with Linux out of the box, I would think. (You can test it yourself -- if you don't have Linux, just get a LiveCD like Knoppix, and boot into Linux temporarily :) ) > Y.S.C. > I saw DACs on Amazon, but I didn't own one. Does it work like a > Wacom tablet? Does it have any pressure sensor? To save cost, I probably > won't put those coloring buttons on the board to keep the tablet simple > and smaller. It does not register as a Wacom tablet -- not one that X-Window on Linux recognizes, at least. The buttons appear as joystick inputs. If I recall, it seemed to appear as an XBox controller...? A friend has mine now, and has spent some occasional time trying to get it to work under Linux. I should get it back from him. :) > Y.S.C. > I would see if I could arrange it. Wow, cool, thank you so much! :) -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Tuxpaint-users mailing list Tux...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
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From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-06-04 15:13:28
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On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 09:40:42AM -0500, Sandra L Grubb wrote: > Bill: I am retiring from RISD this year, however, still want to be in > the forum b/c I will continue to advise the district on the use of your > program and am also using it w/my new grandchildren who are so > "captivated" by it as I am using it to teaching them to recognize their > names, letters, stamp names, etc. Thanks so much for all you do. Our > district loves the program! Sandy, thanks so much for all your promotion and support in the past! Congratulations on retirement! :) -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ |
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From: Sandra L G. <sg...@ro...> - 2008-06-04 15:20:46
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Forgot to tell you that my new e-mail address will be: sgr...@gm... If you will still include me in the forum, I will greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Sandy >>> Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> 6/4/2008 10:13 AM >>> On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 09:40:42AM -0500, Sandra L Grubb wrote: > Bill: I am retiring from RISD this year, however, still want to be in > the forum b/c I will continue to advise the district on the use of your > program and am also using it w/my new grandchildren who are so > "captivated" by it as I am using it to teaching them to recognize their > names, letters, stamp names, etc. Thanks so much for all you do. Our > district loves the program! Sandy, thanks so much for all your promotion and support in the past! Congratulations on retirement! :) -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _______________________________________________ Tuxpaint-users mailing list Tux...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
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