Thread: [Tuxpaint-devel] "Tux Paint Plus"
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From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-12-14 02:15:10
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I discovered something called "Tux Paint Plus" today. I ran anti-virus scanning software (clamav's "clamscan" tool) against it, and it didn't find anything, so I launched the program. (I used "Wine" under Linux.) It appears that this software installs not just Tux Paint (it's very likely that it's just regular Tux Paint, and nothing special -- I haven't tried yet, though), but also some kind of 'search toolbar' in ones web browser. Doing a quick search on Google for "open source plus toolbar," I came across an EULA (end user license agreement) for something called "InfraRecorder Plus" that has the same wording as the one I saw in "Tux Paint Plus." InfraRecorder is a CD/DVD writing tool for Windows that, like Tux Paint, is released under the GNU GPL. So it looks like someone (whomever is responsible for this toolbar) is grabbing open source software, wrapping this 'toolbar' software around it, and re-releasing it. Does anyone out here have any additional comments or info about this? It's not clear whether they are breaking the rules of the GPL (it seems unlikely, as the EULA I read states: "These TOOLBAR TERMS OF USE govern your use of the Toolbar only. Other terms of use govern any other software that you may choose to install on your computer.") However, I'm worried about people becoming confused about "Tux Paint" versus "Tux Paint Plus." It want it to be clear that the 'official' versions of Tux Paint are the ones released by us, the current set of developer volunteers, and that we cannot be held responsible for any problems that come up by using this "plus" version. (During the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October, it was recommended that we trademark the name "Tux Paint" to help avoid these kinds of issues. How do people feel about that?) Thanks in advance, -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ |
From: Chion J. <f6...@or...> - 2008-12-14 06:41:08
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Bill Kendrick a écrit : .................. > > Does anyone out here have any additional comments or info about this? > It's not clear whether they are breaking the rules of the GPL (it > seems unlikely, as the EULA I read states: "These TOOLBAR TERMS OF USE > govern your use of the Toolbar only. Other terms of use govern any > other software that you may choose to install on your computer.") > > However, I'm worried about people becoming confused about "Tux Paint" > versus "Tux Paint Plus." It want it to be clear that the 'official' > versions of Tux Paint are the ones released by us, the current set of > developer volunteers, and that we cannot be held responsible for any > problems that come up by using this "plus" version. > The software seems to come from there : > http://www.open-source-plus.com/ I am not a jurist, so i cannot give an right opinion, but it is curious that somebody can use the "open source plus" name ! i have installed tuxpaint coming from this site, without problems (under wine, i have not windwows..). It runs normally, in french for me. I have not seen the toolbar either in firefox, neither in ie6. Perhaps i suggest to have a contact with FSF to ask them what is their opinion ? > (During the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October, it was > recommended that we trademark the name "Tux Paint" to help avoid these kinds > of issues. How do people feel about that?) > Yes, it is a good idea, alas ! Jim |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-12-15 02:52:50
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 07:41:07AM +0100, Chion Jacques wrote: > The software seems to come from there : > > > > http://www.open-source-plus.com/ I discovered that soon after. > I am not a jurist, so i cannot give an right opinion, > but it is curious that somebody can use the "open source plus" name ! Yes, considering the license of their 'open source tool bar' is apparently not open source compliant, and I'm guessing the OSI holds rights to the name 'open source', this could be an issue... Thx, -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ |
From: Chion J. <f6...@or...> - 2008-12-14 07:50:34
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I continue the search about Tux paint Plus. I think we must alert the OSI (Open Source Initiative) If you look at the logos : http://opensource.org/about and http://www.open-source-plus.com/ the last seems to be not fair play Jim |
From: Schrijvers L. <Be...@sk...> - 2008-12-14 08:02:19
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On za, 2008-12-13 at 18:15 -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: <snip> > So it looks like someone (whomever is responsible for this toolbar) is > grabbing open source software, wrapping this 'toolbar' software around it, > and re-releasing it. > I've seen it with quit a lot of the ports I made and released on BeBits (I've informed the developers of the port where possible and some are even hosted on their site). Even when contacting the guy who did it he said I hadn't anything to say about it as all the stuff is released as GPL. Although he has a point I found it te be bad manners to not inform before you do things like that. So for what it's worth ... I'm all against it. ;) > However, I'm worried about people becoming confused about "Tux Paint" > versus "Tux Paint Plus." It want it to be clear that the 'official' > versions of Tux Paint are the ones released by us, the current set of > developer volunteers, and that we cannot be held responsible for any > problems that come up by using this "plus" version. > > (During the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October, it was > recommended that we trademark the name "Tux Paint" to help avoid these kinds > of issues. How do people feel about that?) > +1 Luc aka Begasus http://www.zeta-games.com http://begasus.blogspot.com |
From: Sascha S. <sas...@si...> - 2008-12-14 11:08:59
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On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 06:15:02PM -0800, Bill Kendrick wrote: Replying just on -dev as it's mostly a developer issue. > I discovered something called "Tux Paint Plus" today. Just FYI: You could probably (IANAL and especially not a US one) sue him/her over unauthorized use of your (unregistered) trademark "Tux Paint". Copyright isn't the only legal handle against an adversary (as much as I'm opposed to many of it, I do see the sense behind it sometimes - it's just being abused much too often). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ |
From: Arnaud C. <arn...@la...> - 2008-12-14 20:19:15
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HEllo, On http://www.open-source-plus.com/products , 3 softwares are available for download. For Infrarecorder plus and 7zip plus, they give the source code. For Tuxpaint Plus, they only give the original Tuxpaint source code, not the source of the fork (Tuxpain Plus). According to the GPL, they have to give the source code of the modifications. Or am I wrong ? Arnaud -- Arnaud Champollion 110 route de Trévans 04270 ESTOUBLON 04.92.35.57.03 06.66.45.80.95 Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org Rejoignez maintenant plus de 2 500 personnes, associations, entreprises et collectivités qui soutiennent notre action |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2008-12-14 20:45:53
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These toolbars are normally spyware, aren't they? What does this one do? Caroline |
From: Bruno D. <bru...@gm...> - 2008-12-14 23:14:08
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote: > > I discovered something called "Tux Paint Plus" today. I ran anti-virus > scanning software (clamav's "clamscan" tool) against it, and it didn't > find anything, so I launched the program. (I used "Wine" under Linux.) > > It appears that this software installs not just Tux Paint (it's very likely > that it's just regular Tux Paint, and nothing special -- I haven't tried > yet, though), but also some kind of 'search toolbar' in ones web browser. > > Doing a quick search on Google for "open source plus toolbar," I came across > an EULA (end user license agreement) for something called "InfraRecorder Plus" > that has the same wording as the one I saw in "Tux Paint Plus." > > InfraRecorder is a CD/DVD writing tool for Windows that, like Tux Paint, > is released under the GNU GPL. > > So it looks like someone (whomever is responsible for this toolbar) is > grabbing open source software, wrapping this 'toolbar' software around it, > and re-releasing it. > > > Does anyone out here have any additional comments or info about this? > It's not clear whether they are breaking the rules of the GPL (it > seems unlikely, as the EULA I read states: "These TOOLBAR TERMS OF USE > govern your use of the Toolbar only. Other terms of use govern any > other software that you may choose to install on your computer.") > > However, I'm worried about people becoming confused about "Tux Paint" > versus "Tux Paint Plus." It want it to be clear that the 'official' > versions of Tux Paint are the ones released by us, the current set of > developer volunteers, and that we cannot be held responsible for any > problems that come up by using this "plus" version. > > (During the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October, it was > recommended that we trademark the name "Tux Paint" to help avoid these kinds > of issues. How do people feel about that?) It's a good ideia. I think you should do it. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > -bill! > "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! > Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. > The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help > pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users > |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2008-12-14 23:31:38
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I think we should trademark tuxpaint. I have a box with an xp partition here and I can install and test with various anti-spyware apps tomorrow. Caroline Sent from my iPod On 14 Dec 2008, at 02:15, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote: > > I discovered something called "Tux Paint Plus" today. I ran anti- > virus > scanning software (clamav's "clamscan" tool) against it, and it didn't > find anything, so I launched the program. (I used "Wine" under > Linux.) > > It appears that this software installs not just Tux Paint (it's very > likely > that it's just regular Tux Paint, and nothing special -- I haven't > tried > yet, though), but also some kind of 'search toolbar' in ones web > browser. > > Doing a quick search on Google for "open source plus toolbar," I > came across > an EULA (end user license agreement) for something called > "InfraRecorder Plus" > that has the same wording as the one I saw in "Tux Paint Plus." > > InfraRecorder is a CD/DVD writing tool for Windows that, like Tux > Paint, > is released under the GNU GPL. > > So it looks like someone (whomever is responsible for this toolbar) is > grabbing open source software, wrapping this 'toolbar' software > around it, > and re-releasing it. > > > Does anyone out here have any additional comments or info about this? > It's not clear whether they are breaking the rules of the GPL (it > seems unlikely, as the EULA I read states: "These TOOLBAR TERMS OF USE > govern your use of the Toolbar only. Other terms of use govern any > other software that you may choose to install on your computer.") > > However, I'm worried about people becoming confused about "Tux Paint" > versus "Tux Paint Plus." It want it to be clear that the 'official' > versions of Tux Paint are the ones released by us, the current set of > developer volunteers, and that we cannot be held responsible for any > problems that come up by using this "plus" version. > > (During the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October, it was > recommended that we trademark the name "Tux Paint" to help avoid > these kinds > of issues. How do people feel about that?) > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > -bill! > "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS > X / Linux! > Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ > > --- > --- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, > Nevada. > The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to > help > pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-12-15 02:57:30
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 09:19:06PM +0100, Arnaud Champollion wrote: > For Tuxpaint Plus, they only give the original Tuxpaint source code, not > the source of the fork (Tuxpain Plus). > > According to the GPL, they have to give the source code of the > modifications. > > Or am I wrong ? What I'm guessing is that the "Plus" part of it is simply the wrapper installer that Tux Paint is wrapped in. So I doubt it's a GPL violation. -bill! |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2008-12-15 22:40:06
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tuxpaint plus toolbar.txt
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I've checked my windows xp box for spyware and then installed "Tux Paint Plus". It installs the toolbar first - I've attached the T&Cs. It's a toolbar for IE. T&C says it's 'MySpace Booster' software provided by ProfileMine licensed from Candeo Technologies, Inc. Provides sponsored search results. Privacy policy looks dodgy. Third party beneficiary is Candeo. I've opened IE and it appears as a toolbar below the address bar. Next to it is an icon which launches tuxpaint. I searched for tuxpaint using the toolbar and the first 4 results were sponsored including ads for Coral Draw and Xara Xtreme. The privacy policy says: "The information we (or a third party acting on our behalf) may collect and receive is limited to non-personally identifiable information including: unique Toolbar ID, your IP address, the Toolbar's source ID, version of the Toolbar you downloaded, type of operating system and version of IE that you are running, end-user machine specific ID ("unique hash"), time and date of the Toolbar's original activation or update/update check-in, whether the Toolbar is hidden, and search terms you used to search using the Toolbar." I don't think IP address and machine specific ID is friendly, especially for something that only gives you a launch icon in IE, and a load of sponsored results. The program itself looks standard, without the stamps but with config. http://www.flickr.com/photos/secretlondon/3110935575/ is a screengrab of the toolbar in IE. Spybot search & destroy doesn't find it as a problem but lists it under Browser Helper Objects (BHOs) as unknown. {C88DCE0A-931B-456C-AEF3-15AF5980F23F} (Open Source Plus Helper) location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\ BHO name: CLSID name: Open Source Plus Helper Path: C:\Program Files\Open Source Plus Toolbar\v3.3.0.1\ Long name: OpenSourcePlusToolbar.dll Short name: OPENSO~1.DLL Date (created): 12/12/2008 18:35:48 Date (last access): 15/12/2008 21:27:34 Date (last write): 15/12/2008 21:27:34 Filesize: 724992 Attributes: archive MD5: B97A92431B372D92FF8F2C3725BD6AEE CRC32: 50F7BD56 Version: 3.3.0.1 AdAware doesn't find anything at all. Caroline |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-12-16 00:15:15
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:39:59PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > I've checked my windows xp box for spyware and then installed "Tux Paint Plus". > Thanks so much for doing this research, Caroline! -bill! |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2008-12-16 20:27:43
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2008/12/16 Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...>: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:39:59PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: >> I've checked my windows xp box for spyware and then installed "Tux Paint Plus". >> > > Thanks so much for doing this research, Caroline! The toolbar has also loaded in firefox 3 following a reboot, if anyone is interested.. Caroline |
From: Mara M. <mar...@gm...> - 2008-12-14 22:42:58
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Dear Bill, I had a look, a lot of web pages offer the "Tux Paint Plus" to download. I am worried too, probably people can suppose it is something better than "normal" tuxpaint, because it is described as "an enhanced version of Tux Paint". I think it is better to understand if it is really an enhanced version of tuxpaint, and if not ... I can understand you, if you think to register the name "tuxpaint" as a registered tradename. Best regards, Mara (Italy) 2008/12/14, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...>: > > I discovered something called "Tux Paint Plus" today. I ran anti-virus > scanning software (clamav's "clamscan" tool) against it, and it didn't > find anything, so I launched the program. (I used "Wine" under Linux.) |