Thread: [Tuxpaint-devel] Digital Arts & Crafts Studio
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From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2007-08-22 06:18:22
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I saw this kit at a store recently: http://www.fisher-price.com/us/products/product.asp?id=40693 USD$50 gets you a USB-based drawing pad (which also includes some other button-like devices for doing things like changing drawing tools), as well as some software that's presumably not unlike Tux Paint. Has anyone here played with one of these? I'm wondering if the device just ends up being a mouse/keyboard to the Operating System. If so, supporting (most of) it(s features) in Tux Paint should be trivial, and it would Just Work (tm) on pretty much all desktop platforms that Tux Paint supports (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and, I assume, BeOS). Thanks in advance, -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ |
From: <tor...@at...> - 2007-08-22 07:21:43
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Bill Kendrick wrote: > I saw this kit at a store recently: > > http://www.fisher-price.com/us/products/product.asp?id=40693 > > USD$50 gets you a USB-based drawing pad (which also includes some other > button-like devices for doing things like changing drawing tools), as well > as some software that's presumably not unlike Tux Paint. > > Has anyone here played with one of these? I'm wondering if the device > just ends up being a mouse/keyboard to the Operating System. If so, > supporting (most of) it(s features) in Tux Paint should be trivial, > and it would Just Work (tm) on pretty much all desktop platforms that > Tux Paint supports (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and, I assume, BeOS). > > Thanks in advance, > > I assume it works pretty much as other tablets, which is as a mouse with absolute positioning (i.e. if you lift the pen and put it in the upper left corner, the pointer stands still until you put the pen down, and then moves instantly to the upper left corner of the screen). Of course most tablets also support pressure level, and some support angle. The buttons will probably send keyboard sequences. It will require the driver to work (which means it will only work with Windows out of the box). You will probably not be able to change the keyboard sequences like you would on a normal tablet with menu hot-spots. If it works like a keyboard, it should be easy to find out which sequences it send, so the poor documentation shouldn't be a big problem. It may be impossibe (without hacking the driver) to prevent the button with the power symbol to start the original program, and in worst case, that button is a real power button for the tablet in addition to starting/shutting down the program. In other words, the only way to find out is to buy one and try. The next question of course is whether it will be easier to use than a Wacom Graphire or some cheap brand tablet (which support pressure levels). Kind regards, Tore |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2007-10-30 21:49:08
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:18:23PM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > I saw this kit at a store recently: > > http://www.fisher-price.com/us/products/product.asp?id=40693 I got one for my wedding anniversary! :) For those curious, it looks like some kind of HID device for the tablet, and probably a joystick for the buttons. Here's my /var/log/syslog as I plug it in: Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu kernel: [ 3786.092000] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu kernel: [ 3786.100000] hiddev96: USB HID v1.11 Device [Fisher-Price DACS] on usb-0000:00:1d.2-2 Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu NetworkManager: <debug> [1193780532.714277] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_813_1006_DACS0000001_if0'). Oct 30 14:42:12 kendribuntu NetworkManager: <debug> [1193780532.722439] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_813_1006_DACS0000001_usbraw'). and my dmesg: [ 3779.380000] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 3 [ 3785.908000] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 [ 3786.092000] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 3786.100000] hiddev96: USB HID v1.11 Device [Fisher-Price DACS] on usb-0000:00:1d.2-2 No luck reading either, except I can see things change if I watch the binary stream coming out of /dev/usb/hiddev0, as I move the stylus over the tablet. When/if I can get it to work, and decide to add support for it to, I think I'd probably map the buttons as follows: Top left: * Eraser Eraser tool * Paint can (Not sure yet) * Paint brush Paint tool * Pencil Line tool Top right: * Printer Print command * Brush/House/Scissors (Not sure yet) Bottom right: * Color buttons Appropriate colors, of course * Color wheel button Bring up the color-picker dialog (new to Tux Paint 0.9.18) Bottom left: * Undo arrow Undo command * Explosion New command * Magic wand Magic tools * "ABCD" Text tool * Paint bucket Magic "Flood fill" tool * Rubber stamp smiley Stamps tool * Picture of scenery (Not sure yet) * Sliding toolbox switch (Not sure yet) On the back: * Power button Quit, maybe? If anyone'd like to help me on my way to getting this thing recognized and working under Ubuntu Gusty (Linux 2.6.22 kernel), please feel free to respond here! :) Anyone else get ahold of one of these devices yet? -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2007-10-31 17:01:06
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On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:53:16PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting > > This makes it look like it may be xorg.conf related. That assumes it's a Wacom-based device (which it probably is, based on how it works -- not that I've played with other brands of digitizers, other than on PDAs and a Koala Pad back on the C=64 and Atari :) -- that is, you hover the stylus to move, and touch the stylus to click). That also assumes the protocol looks like other Wacom devices, and hence X11 will understand it. :) Here's hoping, -- -bill! bi...@ne... http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/ |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2007-10-31 17:38:37
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On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 10:01 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:53:16PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting > > > > This makes it look like it may be xorg.conf related. > > That assumes it's a Wacom-based device (which it probably is, based on how > it works -- not that I've played with other brands of digitizers, other than > on PDAs and a Koala Pad back on the C=64 and Atari :) -- that is, you hover > the stylus to move, and touch the stylus to click). > > That also assumes the protocol looks like other Wacom devices, and hence > X11 will understand it. :) > > Here's hoping, I don't know - but it's worth a go! It could be in xorg.conf like mice and keyboards and wacoms are. Google found no-one playing with this thing, all the hits were mirrors of this email list.. Mattell's tech support stuff was dire. There is a link off one of those pages to the guide to the wacom driver. It seems that there is a specific wacom protocol or two. Maybe a wacom driver hacker could point us in the right direction? We know a driver is attaching to it, we just don't know any more.. I also saw that under windows the tablet stops the keyboard and mouse being used. Maybe a good first step would be to see if we can get tuxpaint for windows to work with the tablet's driver, without loading the tablet's software instead. Alas that would involve having to use windows.. Caroline |
From: Mark K. K. <mkk...@gm...> - 2007-11-01 01:57:58
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 05:47:20PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 10:01 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:53:16PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting > > > > > > This makes it look like it may be xorg.conf related. > > > > That assumes it's a Wacom-based device (which it probably is, based on how > > it works -- not that I've played with other brands of digitizers, other than > > on PDAs and a Koala Pad back on the C=64 and Atari :) -- that is, you hover > > the stylus to move, and touch the stylus to click). Wacom tablets should be backwards-compatible with the standard mice. I have a serial-port Wacom tablet that I could just plug in and use with X (just configure X so it points to the device as a mouse pointer with an "appropriate mouse type" specified as the pointer type.) - I just unplugged my existing serial mouse, plugged in the wacom tablet, and there I went without any extra drivers or configuring or nothin'. Wacom also supports tilt and pressure sensitivity. I got that to work within an Wacom-aware proof-of-concept paint application written by one of the Gimp developers, if I recall correctly. I think there was also some sort of Wacom driver involved, I don't remember - It's been really long. I can dig around if you need that info. In any case, if it's Wacom-compatible then you should be able to get it working like a standard mouse pretty easy provided there's a compatible USB mouse device you can specify. > We know a driver is attaching to it, we just don't know any more.. Looks like it's just a raw HID device driver to me from the messages. I would've hoped it would possibly create two devices if the system really understood what it was, one device for mouse-compatible input and another for extra data like pressure sensitivity. Perhaps the USB HID protocol allows both mouse-compatible events and extra data events to occur in a single USB HID stream. Eh. Whatever. Try it and find out. -Mark |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2007-11-01 03:53:26
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On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:58 -0700, Mark K. Kim wrote: > Wacom also supports tilt and pressure sensitivity. I got that to work > within an Wacom-aware proof-of-concept paint application written by one > of the Gimp developers, if I recall correctly. I think there was also > some sort of Wacom driver involved, I don't remember - It's been really > long. I can dig around if you need that info. http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/ > In any case, if it's Wacom-compatible then you should be able to get it > working like a standard mouse pretty easy provided there's a compatible > USB mouse device you can specify. > > > We know a driver is attaching to it, we just don't know any more.. > > Looks like it's just a raw HID device driver to me from the messages. I > would've hoped it would possibly create two devices if the system really > understood what it was, one device for mouse-compatible input and > another for extra data like pressure sensitivity. Perhaps the USB HID > protocol allows both mouse-compatible events and extra data events to > occur in a single USB HID stream. http://www.frogmouth.net/hid-doco/linux-hid.html is it I think Caroline |
From: alinuxfan <agj...@gm...> - 2008-11-28 23:44:06
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Caroline Ford-2 wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 18:58 -0700, Mark K. Kim wrote: > >> Wacom also supports tilt and pressure sensitivity. I got that to work >> within an Wacom-aware proof-of-concept paint application written by one >> of the Gimp developers, if I recall correctly. I think there was also >> some sort of Wacom driver involved, I don't remember - It's been really >> long. I can dig around if you need that info. > > http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/ > >> In any case, if it's Wacom-compatible then you should be able to get it >> working like a standard mouse pretty easy provided there's a compatible >> USB mouse device you can specify. >> >> > We know a driver is attaching to it, we just don't know any more.. >> >> Looks like it's just a raw HID device driver to me from the messages. I >> would've hoped it would possibly create two devices if the system really >> understood what it was, one device for mouse-compatible input and >> another for extra data like pressure sensitivity. Perhaps the USB HID >> protocol allows both mouse-compatible events and extra data events to >> occur in a single USB HID stream. > > http://www.frogmouth.net/hid-doco/linux-hid.html is it I think > > Caroline > > Have there been any new developments for this project? My wife bought one of these for our children for Christmas. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Digital-Arts---Crafts-Studio-tp12268700p20742111.html Sent from the tuxpaint-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2008-12-17 23:33:20
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:58:29AM -0800, alinuxfan wrote: > Have there been any new developments for this project? My wife bought one > of these for our children for Christmas. Unfortunately, no new developments that I know of. (I must remind my friend to bring the device back when he comes to visit this weekend! :) ) -bill! |
From: dodddummy <lar...@ya...> - 2011-12-26 12:23:13
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I tried using this with hid-mapper. I was able to map the keys but haven't be able to get the pad working however the pen movement is recognized, just not mapped yet. Here is the link to the thread I followed. http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=88560&page=17 Has anyone done better? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Digital-Arts---Crafts-Studio-tp12268700p33037887.html Sent from the tuxpaint-devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |