tuxpaint-devel

[Tuxpaint-devel] Fw: Bug#421916: tuxpaint-config settings aren't used by tuxpaint

[Ben A. <sy...@sa...>]

See http://bugs.debian.org/421916 for background on the following.
The user suggests this improvement to tuxpaint-config to minimize
confusion with this common problem:

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Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:08:49 -0300
From: Ben Armstrong <sy...@sa...>
To: 42...@bu...
Cc: Marcos Marado <Mar...@so...>
Subject: Re: Bug#421916: tuxpaint-config settings aren't used by tuxpaint


On Thu, 3 May 2007 12:42:00 +0100
Marcos Marado <Mar...@so...> wrote:
> Understood. Shouldn't tuxpaint-config then check if the user chose a language 
> that is not installed, and, whenever that's the case, issue a message saying 
> something like "Attention: your system doesn't have that language installed. 
> Please ask your system administrator to proceed installing it. More info on 
> tuxpaint-config's README.Debian ." ?

Tuxpaint-config can't refer to Debian-specific docs because it is not a Debian-
specific utility.  But "More info in the Tux Paint FAQ" would be appropriate.
I'll forward this suggestion upstream.  Thanks.

Ben
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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Fw: Bug#421916: tuxpaint-config settings aren't used by tuxpaint

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:11:00AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> See http://bugs.debian.org/421916 for background on the following.
> The user suggests this improvement to tuxpaint-config to minimize
> confusion with this common problem:

Anyone have ideas how to have the gettext() layer tell what locales are
installed?

Also, down the road, I hope to make Tux Paint Config able to write
to arbitrary config files, so the user can create them and save them
as needed; perhaps on a completely different system.  I think warning the
user that their _local_ system lacks a particular locale is a better
idea than making those locales quietly unavailable...

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Fw: Bug#421916: tuxpaint-config settings aren't used by tuxpaint

[Mark K. K. <mkk...@gm...>]

On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 09:35:31AM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:

> Anyone have ideas how to have the gettext() layer tell what locales are
> installed?

Call setlocale(), and if it succeeds then the locale is installed,
returns NULL if it isn't.  I think the way it works is libintl queries
glibc to see if the locale is available.  I'm not sure if there's a way
to get a complete list from glibc automatically.

Even if setlocale() fails, you can just set the environment variable to
force the locality's output in gettext().  I believe setlocale() is just
used to make the system responses use the selected locale (ie, make
perror() print error messages in the selected language, make date()
default to selected locale output format, etc.)  Since Tux Paint makes
minimal use of glibc for such text formatting, I think we could just
force-set the locale by setting the environment variable if that makes
more sense from the user's perspective.

-Mark

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Fw: Bug#421916: tuxpaint-config settings aren't used by tuxpaint

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 05:15:09PM -0700, Mark K. Kim wrote:
> Even if setlocale() fails, you can just set the environment variable to
> force the locality's output in gettext().  I believe setlocale() is just
> used to make the system responses use the selected locale (ie, make
> perror() print error messages in the selected language, make date()
> default to selected locale output format, etc.)  Since Tux Paint makes
> minimal use of glibc for such text formatting, I think we could just
> force-set the locale by setting the environment variable if that makes
> more sense from the user's perspective.

I think it makes sense, yeah.

In other words, you're saying:  Tux Paint can switch to any locale _it_
supports, regardless of the locales available system-wide...?

-bill!
(running on ~4.5 hrs sleep :^( )

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Fw: Bug#421916: tuxpaint-config settings aren't used by tuxpaint

[Mark K. K. <mkk...@gm...>]

On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 06:47:44AM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> In other words, you're saying:  Tux Paint can switch to any locale _it_
> supports, regardless of the locales available system-wide...?

Yes, provided we set it directly using setenv() instead of replying on
setlocale().  I'm not sure how portable this code would be across
different platforms and different versions of libintl, however.

-Mark