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[Tuxpaint-devel] online lessons and standards?

[Gina S. L. <lov...@ms...>]

I'm a teacher and grad student.  I use Tux Paint in my computer lab but was 
wondering if you might have lessons online and/or how they would be aligned 
to the NETS standards?  I'm doing a project for my grad work and wanted to 
use Tux Paint. I need lessons using Tux Paint and their alignment to the 
NETS standards.  Is this information available online, at all?????? 

Gina Loveless
Battle Creek Public Schools
Michigan
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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Font shows only squares in Tux Paint

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 12:32:27AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> I'd like you to upgrade all font-related libraries.

Heheh. :^)  Well, I'm using Debian Testing, so I figured I'd be _relatively_
current.  Let's see what I have:

  libsdl-ttf2.0-0  2.0.6-5    [latest from libsdl.org is 2.0.7-1]
  libfreetype6     2.1.7-2.4  [latest from savannah is 2.1.10]


> There have been some very serious bugs. Problem gone?

When I get the time, I'll try using the absolute latest of these, built
from source (or, if there are apt repositories I can find, from binary),
and see if things work better.


> Running tuxpaint under a debugger might be revealing.
> Doing without the background font scanner should make
> the debug info easier to follow. You could print font
> names (filenames) as they are used.

Yeah, I need to look into that, too.  My time for actual Tux Paint
development and testing has come to a standstill lately.  Every time I _do_
get around to it, I'm way too tired, and decide I should probably get to bed
so I can get up for work the next day. :^)

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Font shows only squares in Tux Paint

[Albert C. <al...@us...>]

On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 20:14 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> Does anyone have any clues about the following?
> 
> [11:38] <yvesC> I am trying to install a ttf font file for tuxpaint (linux).
> [11:39] <yvesC> http://alecole.vienneinfo.org/magazine/telech2.htm ec.ttf
> [11:39] <yvesC> http://alecole.vienneinfo.org/magazine/telechar/ec.ttf
> [11:39] <yvesC> but tuxpaint shows me only squares instead of characters
> [11:39] <yvesC> any hints ?

Lots of strange fonts will only give you squares. Maybe the font
uses a symbol encoding, similar to a Dingbats or Webdings font.

> In Tux Paint 0.9.14, I also get squares.  In Tux Paint from CVS, I don't
> actually see the font.  (Note, I have to run with "--nosysfonts" because
> some font somewhere is causing Tux Paint to crash.  I do have another TTF
> in my "~/.tuxpaint/fonts/" directory, and it works fine.)

It's time to get to the bottom of this, don't you think?

I'd like you to upgrade all font-related libraries.
There have been some very serious bugs. Problem gone?

Running tuxpaint under a debugger might be revealing.
Doing without the background font scanner should make
the debug info easier to follow. You could print font
names (filenames) as they are used.

[Tuxpaint-devel] Font shows only squares in Tux Paint

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Does anyone have any clues about the following?

[11:38] <yvesC> I am trying to install a ttf font file for tuxpaint (linux).
[11:39] <yvesC> http://alecole.vienneinfo.org/magazine/telech2.htm ec.ttf
[11:39] <yvesC> http://alecole.vienneinfo.org/magazine/telechar/ec.ttf
[11:39] <yvesC> but tuxpaint shows me only squares instead of characters
[11:39] <yvesC> any hints ?

In Tux Paint 0.9.14, I also get squares.  In Tux Paint from CVS, I don't
actually see the font.  (Note, I have to run with "--nosysfonts" because
some font somewhere is causing Tux Paint to crash.  I do have another TTF
in my "~/.tuxpaint/fonts/" directory, and it works fine.)

Thanks!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Ben A. <sy...@sa...>]

On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 16:03 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> That's not a nice way to put things.
> 
> I'm quite sure that nearly all wikipedia image contributers
> would be happy with most licenses that require that the images
> remain non-proprietary, as ensured by the GPL and many of the
> Creative Commons licenses. The GFDL is chosen pretty much by
> default, because dual-licensing is a pain.
> 
> No principles need be compromised.
> 
> Many contributers, probably "most" but not "nearly all", would
> even be happy with public domain or a BSD-style license.

Unfortunately, in a license, the intent of the author doesn't count for
anything unless it is explicitly stated.  There can be no "reading
between the lines" of licenses.  If these authors would be happy with
their work re-licensed under the GPL, they need to dual-license.  We
can't be left to guess.

Ben

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 04:03:19PM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> I tried including DOD media ID numbers for many of the images,
> but they got clobbered by some sort of automated translation.

>:^P Crud.

Okay, so yeah, let's not put them in the .txt file, but cobble them
together in some separate text file under docs/.  That'll solve a few
issues at once. :^)

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Albert C. <al...@us...>]

On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 15:17 -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 21:16 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> > Sheesh, it's not a satanic goat.
> > 
> > This is all really, really, sad and pitiful.
> 
> I agree it is a sad situation, but probably not for the reasons you
> think it is.  Oh, wouldn't the world be so much simpler if people would
> just compromise their principles and "go with the flow"?

That's not a nice way to put things.

I'm quite sure that nearly all wikipedia image contributers
would be happy with most licenses that require that the images
remain non-proprietary, as ensured by the GPL and many of the
Creative Commons licenses. The GFDL is chosen pretty much by
default, because dual-licensing is a pain.

No principles need be compromised.

Many contributers, probably "most" but not "nearly all", would
even be happy with public domain or a BSD-style license.

> Hm, for that matter, shouldn't the copyright notices and licenses of
> media files we have imported into the stamps package be kept along with
> the files, just to satisfy the requirements of the licenses?  Right now,
> all we seem to have is URLs to original sources & authors in the
> CHANGES.txt file.

I tried including DOD media ID numbers for many of the images,
but they got clobbered by some sort of automated translation.

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 03:17:39PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> Hm, for that matter, shouldn't the copyright notices and licenses of
> media files we have imported into the stamps package be kept along with
> the files, just to satisfy the requirements of the licenses?  Right now,
> all we seem to have is URLs to original sources & authors in the
> CHANGES.txt file.

Agreed.

In some cases, I have "#" comments in the corresponding '.txt' file that
goes along with each PNG image.  It'd probably be good to have a comprehensive
license file somewhere in 'docs' though.

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Ben A. <sy...@sa...>]

On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 21:16 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> Sheesh, it's not a satanic goat.
> 
> This is all really, really, sad and pitiful.

I agree it is a sad situation, but probably not for the reasons you
think it is.  Oh, wouldn't the world be so much simpler if people would
just compromise their principles and "go with the flow"?

It's no big deal, though.  If it should be included, go ahead.  To make
life easier for me, though, would you please keep track of individual
media file licenses?  Then if I need to make a "goatless tuxpaint
stamps" package for Debian, I can do it relatively easily.

Hm, for that matter, shouldn't the copyright notices and licenses of
media files we have imported into the stamps package be kept along with
the files, just to satisfy the requirements of the licenses?  Right now,
all we seem to have is URLs to original sources & authors in the
CHANGES.txt file.

Thanks,
Ben

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Albert C. <al...@us...>]

On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 20:39 -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:51 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> > I'm thinking Tux Paint needs a goat:
> > 
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Billy_goat.jpg
> 
> Hm. Tread carefully with that GFDL'd goat.  Debian has problems with the
> GFDL.  And it's not just invariant sections that are at issue,
> apparently.

Sheesh, it's not a satanic goat.

This is all really, really, sad and pitiful.

>From time to time I come across images that are under
one the the Creative Commons licenses. How about those?

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Ben A. <sy...@sa...>]

On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:51 -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> I'm thinking Tux Paint needs a goat:
> 
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Billy_goat.jpg

Hm. Tread carefully with that GFDL'd goat.  Debian has problems with the
GFDL.  And it's not just invariant sections that are at issue,
apparently.

Ben

[Tuxpaint-devel] GFDL images

[Albert C. <al...@us...>]

I'm thinking Tux Paint needs a goat:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Billy_goat.jpg

The license info is:

   Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or
   modify this document under the terms of the
   GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or
   any later version published by the
   Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections,
   no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts.

That should be fine, as far as freedom is concerned.
It's not a proprietary goat. What about credit though?
Where does it go? Where does a copy of the GFDL go?

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint about to turn 3 years old!

[Ben A. <sy...@sa...>]

On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 01:15 -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> Next Tuesday (June 14th) will be the 3rd anniversary of its inception
> (the first few 100 lines of C code, no doubt)!  Hrm!  How shall we celebrate!?

Clearly we ought to paint the town red.

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint about to turn 3 years old!

[Gabriel <gga...@in...>]

El 10 de Junio de 2005 05:15, Bill Kendrick escribi=F3:
> I was chatting with someone on IRC about Tux Paint, and they asked
> "so schools are using it right now?"  I went to point out that the
> program's almost 3 years old, and realized it literally _is_, almost
> exactly 3 years old!
>
> Next Tuesday (June 14th) will be the 3rd anniversary of its inception
> (the first few 100 lines of C code, no doubt)!  Hrm!  How shall we
> celebrate!?

a 1.0 release?   ;)

Congratulations!!!

cheers,
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[Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint about to turn 3 years old!

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

I was chatting with someone on IRC about Tux Paint, and they asked
"so schools are using it right now?"  I went to point out that the program's
almost 3 years old, and realized it literally _is_, almost exactly 3 years
old!

Next Tuesday (June 14th) will be the 3rd anniversary of its inception
(the first few 100 lines of C code, no doubt)!  Hrm!  How shall we celebrate!?

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[Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint in "TUX Magazine"

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

My wife Melissa and I wrote an article about 'Tux Paint' for "TUX Magazine",
a new online publication: "the first and only magazine for the new Linux user."

The magazine is available for free off their website (you need to 'subscribe'),
and comes in a rather slick looking PDF format.

  http://www.tuxmagazine.com/

(The article is in Issue #3, from June 2005.)

Enjoy!

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[Tuxpaint-devel] Fix for "?" icon on Mac OS X

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Regarding the question-mark-in-the-dock problem that someone was having
with Tux Paint on Mac OS X:

> Thanks for you input.  I had tried dragging the Question 
> mark from the dock after unlocking it from Workgroup 
> Manager, but it didn't work.  Through some research on the 
> internet I found that I didn't have the same path on my 
> admin computer that I had on the workstation computers.  I 
> had taken Tux Paint Application out of the Tux Paint 
> folder on my admin computer and had the entire folder with 
> the updates on the workstation computers. I added the 
> folder to the admin computer and redid the path through 
> Workgroup manager and it worked.


I don't particularly understand that, since I'm not very familiar with
OS X, and have never used any admin/workstation stuff, but I figured I
should pass it along, so that at the least, her solution is archived
on this mailing list.

Thanks!

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[Tuxpaint-devel] Tux Paint on Wikipedia

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

So I decided to put together a little page about Tux Paint on Wikipedia,
since there seem to be articles about other open source software up
there (e.g., Gimp and OpenOffice.org), as well as the only commericial
'competition' I can think of, Kid pix.

I then noticed that there were already some pages pointing to "Tux Paint"
(and "TuxPaint"), so that made me feel even less egotistical for adding
a page.  Now those pages have 1 fewer broken wiki links! ;^)

Anyway, take a look and feel free to help make it more readable:

  http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux_Paint

Enjoy!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Potential bounty for Mac OS X updates

[Martin F. <mf...@uc...>]

Sounds fun, but I'm busy at work on my thesis.  If there are no  
takers by September or October, I might consider...

Martin

On 27-May-05, at 12:53 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote:

>
> A school PC tech mentioned they might be able to pay a nominal fee to
> get a few new features in the Mac OS X version of Tux Paint.
> Most of what they mentioned were already listed in the RFE or Bugs  
> list
> over at Source Forge.  I'm not sure what amount they'd be able to  
> pay, or
> how it'd work out, but I thought I'd mention it here.
>
> Anyone here interested?  I can get you in contact with them.
> (Obviously, as the project is GPL, this ends up being more of a  
> 'bounty',
> since changes would need to remain GPL'd.)
>
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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Broken docker icon on Mac OS X

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 12:48:45PM -0600, Martin Fuhrer wrote:
> This means the dock lost track of the location of the TuxPaint application.
<snip>

I've passed this along.  If this doesn't help, I'll pass along whatever
other details they supply to me.  Thanks for the help!

-bill!

[Tuxpaint-devel] Potential bounty for Mac OS X updates

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

A school PC tech mentioned they might be able to pay a nominal fee to
get a few new features in the Mac OS X version of Tux Paint.
Most of what they mentioned were already listed in the RFE or Bugs list
over at Source Forge.  I'm not sure what amount they'd be able to pay, or
how it'd work out, but I thought I'd mention it here.

Anyone here interested?  I can get you in contact with them.
(Obviously, as the project is GPL, this ends up being more of a 'bounty',
since changes would need to remain GPL'd.)

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] Broken docker icon on Mac OS X

[Martin F. <mf...@uc...>]

This means the dock lost track of the location of the TuxPaint  
application.  Dragging the "?" out of the dock, and dragging the  
TuxPaint application back onto the Dock should fix the problem.

Martin

On 27-May-05, at 12:35 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote:

>
> Apparently under Mac OS X 10.3.1, Tux Paint gets a "?" icon in the  
> docker.
> Anyone have any ideas what might be wrong?  (And can it be fixed  
> prior to
> releasing a new version?)
>
> Thx!
>
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[Tuxpaint-devel] Broken docker icon on Mac OS X

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

Apparently under Mac OS X 10.3.1, Tux Paint gets a "?" icon in the docker.
Anyone have any ideas what might be wrong?  (And can it be fixed prior to
releasing a new version?)

Thx!

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Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] [Fwd: [xp-u] xpilot .map generator program]

[Bill K. <nb...@so...>]

On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 08:29:07PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 20:01 -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> > Maybe someone here could answer?  I know other randomisers already
> > exist.  I haven't looked at Menno's, though.
> > 
> > Ben
> 
> Er, whoops, wrong list. :)  Sorry.  Both xpilot-hacks and tuxpaint-devel
> are lists.sf.net lists and share a few too many letters, so they got
> crossed up in my head :)

I was /kinda/ wondering, but never got around to ask for clarification,
sorry. :)

-bill!

Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] [Fwd: [xp-u] xpilot .map generator program]

[Ben A. <sy...@sa...>]

On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 20:01 -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> Maybe someone here could answer?  I know other randomisers already
> exist.  I haven't looked at Menno's, though.
> 
> Ben

Er, whoops, wrong list. :)  Sorry.  Both xpilot-hacks and tuxpaint-devel
are lists.sf.net lists and share a few too many letters, so they got
crossed up in my head :)

Ben