Re: [Tuxpaint-devel] The *purge* was Re: the Sugar port

[Albert C. <aca...@gm...>]

On Dec 30, 2007 6:20 AM, Caroline Ford
<car...@go...> wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 14:14 -0500, Albert Cahalan wrote:
> > On Dec 29, 2007 1:50 PM, Bill Kendrick <nb...@so...> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 03:03:50AM -0500, Albert Cahalan wrote:

> > > > Tux Paint has an excess of low-quality brushes, stamps,
> > > > and magic tools. Perhaps a disinterested 3rd party should
> > > > tell us what to throw away.
> > >
> > > I'm happy leaving it to you to decide.
> >
> > I'm sure! Throwing away somebody else's stuff is a
> > great source of conflict. Some of my own stuff might
> > even need to go; will I be too lenient or too harsh?
>
> Arrgh. How do you know we have too much stuff? I've been making things
> like brushes and stamps presuming that we can never really have too
> much.

I mostly don't think there is too much.

There are numerous low-resolution stamps. There are
stamps that duplicate functionality of the text tool.
Making the user scroll past dozens of undesirable
stamps is not nice.

The brush situation is getting weird. Many of the new
brushes can only be properly used as stamps.

> Is this just a packaging problem? There is a bug/complaint on the Ubuntu
> bug tracker that -stamps is too big and a request that we split it into
> -stamps-default and stamps-*.

That sure wouldn't help me with the Sugar port. I have to
merge the stamps collection into the same package as
the program. Size is an issue for me, but I realize that
the Sugar port is not normal.

I suggest closing the bug/complaint about package size.
Ubuntu is targeted toward normal desktop systems.

My main concern is that the user may have trouble
finding the best stuff in a sea of lesser stuff.
It's not just stamps. It's magic tools, and, well,
everything.

> Would this help or do you think we need to
> find an uninterested party? We could try and find some way of doing
> community blood letting but I'm sure I can be as possessive about my
> stuff as anyone else..

Maybe I can talk Eben (OLPC UI designer) into looking
at things. Maybe the web site could poll users for their
favorite stuff. Maybe we should have the program send
back some feedback data about tool usage; this was done
recently for the gimp. (careful: there will naturally be a
bias toward things that are at the top of the list)