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[Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[Isabelle V. <ver...@fr...>]

Hi all,

I am surprised because I have no problem with the language switch.
I applied what said Scott in a message sent to the list 
(2011-03-30 15:53), see:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27283175

To test the language, in the file: include/jclasses/factory.php
change the line (#74):
           $locale = "en-GB";
For me, having $locale = "en-GB" or $locale = "fr-FR", it's OK
to display strings respectively in English or French.

I haven't test the last modification made be Peter yesterday.
I will look to this soon.

Isabelle.

Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[Peter L. <pal...@gm...>]

Isabelle,
I wonder what version of php your server is using. If it is earlier than 
5.3.0, you would not experience any problem. From memory, Scott has php 
version 4.something.

My version of php is 5.3.6 and I did have a problem with language, no 
language strings were displayed.
Peter

On 05/05/2011 04:18 PM, Isabelle Vergely wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am surprised because I have no problem with the language switch.
> I applied what said Scott in a message sent to the list
> (2011-03-30 15:53), see:
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27283175
>
> To test the language, in the file: include/jclasses/factory.php
> change the line (#74):
>             $locale = "en-GB";
> For me, having $locale = "en-GB" or $locale = "fr-FR", it's OK
> to display strings respectively in English or French.
>
> I haven't test the last modification made be Peter yesterday.
> I will look to this soon.
>
> Isabelle.
>
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[Mark W. <ma...@rw...>]

I am running PHP V5.3.2 and I now get jLogin, jLogout with the correct 
case. :)

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On 06/05/2011 05:05, Peter Lazarus wrote:
> Isabelle,
> I wonder what version of php your server is using. If it is earlier than
> 5.3.0, you would not experience any problem. From memory, Scott has php
> version 4.something.
>
> My version of php is 5.3.6 and I did have a problem with language, no
> language strings were displayed.
> Peter
>
> On 05/05/2011 04:18 PM, Isabelle Vergely wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am surprised because I have no problem with the language switch.
>> I applied what said Scott in a message sent to the list
>> (2011-03-30 15:53), see:
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27283175
>>
>> To test the language, in the file: include/jclasses/factory.php
>> change the line (#74):
>>              $locale = "en-GB";
>> For me, having $locale = "en-GB" or $locale = "fr-FR", it's OK
>> to display strings respectively in English or French.
>>
>> I haven't test the last modification made be Peter yesterday.
>> I will look to this soon.
>>
>> Isabelle.
>>
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[Scott M. <Sco...@pr...>]

I'm running 5.1.6; you're probably remembering that <wrong>I was hoping
to be able to support php 4.x with our next release.</wrong>  I'm
thinking I didn't have any instances of that left to test against (and
very likely won't at the new employer either).

Scratch that now I'm getting a memory back that there was some major
change in the 5.x versions where new the json serialization routines
suddenly made an appearance and the code didn't work with less than
(guessing here) 5.3 or some such, and I wanted to ensure support for php
5.1.x in the next release.  

-Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wrightson [mailto:ma...@rw...] 
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:18 AM
To: tsh...@li...
Subject: Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

I am running PHP V5.3.2 and I now get jLogin, jLogout with the correct 
case. :)

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On 06/05/2011 05:05, Peter Lazarus wrote:
> Isabelle,
> I wonder what version of php your server is using. If it is earlier
than
> 5.3.0, you would not experience any problem. From memory, Scott has
php
> version 4.something.
>
> My version of php is 5.3.6 and I did have a problem with language, no
> language strings were displayed.
> Peter
>
> On 05/05/2011 04:18 PM, Isabelle Vergely wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am surprised because I have no problem with the language switch.
>> I applied what said Scott in a message sent to the list
>> (2011-03-30 15:53), see:
>> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27283175
>>
>> To test the language, in the file: include/jclasses/factory.php
>> change the line (#74):
>>              $locale = "en-GB";
>> For me, having $locale = "en-GB" or $locale = "fr-FR", it's OK
>> to display strings respectively in English or French.
>>
>> I haven't test the last modification made be Peter yesterday.
>> I will look to this soon.
>>
>> Isabelle.
>>
>>
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------
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>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[David T. <tom...@us...>]

We've had this kind of problem in the past, and I think will have it in the future too.
Two years ago it was the move from PHP v4 to v5, but now v5.1, v5.2 and v5.3 all seem to have significant differences (in their libraries).
 
The problem is that PHP is faster than we are, but we could use that to our advantage.
Previously I proposed "mainstream", ie support the PHP version that comes as standard with the main linux distros (was 5.2, but I think is now 5.3).
 
But maybe we should now go "bleeding-edge" and set 5.3 as a minimum. It would avoid problems in development, and by the time we release it should be mainstream.
 
What's your experience?
 
Tommo
 
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:08:07 -0500
> From: Sco...@pr...
> To: ma...@rw...; tsh...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch
> 
> I'm running 5.1.6; you're probably remembering that <wrong>I was hoping
> to be able to support php 4.x with our next release.</wrong> I'm
> thinking I didn't have any instances of that left to test against (and
> very likely won't at the new employer either).
> 
> Scratch that now I'm getting a memory back that there was some major
> change in the 5.x versions where new the json serialization routines
> suddenly made an appearance and the code didn't work with less than
> (guessing here) 5.3 or some such, and I wanted to ensure support for php
> 5.1.x in the next release. 
> 
> -Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wrightson [mailto:ma...@rw...] 
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:18 AM
> To: tsh...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch
> 
> I am running PHP V5.3.2 and I now get jLogin, jLogout with the correct 
> case. :)
> 
> _____________________________________________
> 
> Mob: 07725 695178
> Email: ma...@rw...
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2011 05:05, Peter Lazarus wrote:
> > Isabelle,
> > I wonder what version of php your server is using. If it is earlier
> than
> > 5.3.0, you would not experience any problem. From memory, Scott has
> php
> > version 4.something.
> >
> > My version of php is 5.3.6 and I did have a problem with language, no
> > language strings were displayed.
> > Peter
> >
> > On 05/05/2011 04:18 PM, Isabelle Vergely wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am surprised because I have no problem with the language switch.
> >> I applied what said Scott in a message sent to the list
> >> (2011-03-30 15:53), see:
> >> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27283175
> >>
> >> To test the language, in the file: include/jclasses/factory.php
> >> change the line (#74):
> >> $locale = "en-GB";
> >> For me, having $locale = "en-GB" or $locale = "fr-FR", it's OK
> >> to display strings respectively in English or French.
> >>
> >> I haven't test the last modification made be Peter yesterday.
> >> I will look to this soon.
> >>
> >> Isabelle.
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
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> >> The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network
> >> management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial
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> >>
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[Scott M. <Sco...@pr...>]

By targeting bleeding edge, you risk two things: 

Alienating many users who may be unable to support bleeding edge on the
server(s) they currently use to run the timesheet system

slipping release dates because PHP keeps changing under you

 

There are only a few areas of PHP that have significantly changed from
5.1 to whatever they're at today.  I would strongly recommend supporting
5.x by either not using bleeding edge features of the language, or by
offering alternative ways of accomplishing those things to the versions
that didn't support those features.

 

The right thing to do, is very often not the easy thing to do.

 

-Scott

 

________________________________

From: David Thompson [mailto:tom...@us...] 
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:05 AM
To: tsh...@li...
Subject: Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

 

We've had this kind of problem in the past, and I think will have it in
the future too.
Two years ago it was the move from PHP v4 to v5, but now v5.1, v5.2 and
v5.3 all seem to have significant differences (in their libraries).
 
The problem is that PHP is faster than we are, but we could use that to
our advantage.
Previously I proposed "mainstream", ie support the PHP version that
comes as standard with the main linux distros (was 5.2, but I think is
now 5.3).
 
But maybe we should now go "bleeding-edge" and set 5.3 as a minimum. It
would avoid problems in development, and by the time we release it
should be mainstream.
 
What's your experience?
 
Tommo
 
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:08:07 -0500
> From: Sco...@pr...
> To: ma...@rw...; tsh...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch
> 
> I'm running 5.1.6; you're probably remembering that <wrong>I was
hoping
> to be able to support php 4.x with our next release.</wrong> I'm
> thinking I didn't have any instances of that left to test against (and
> very likely won't at the new employer either).
> 
> Scratch that now I'm getting a memory back that there was some major
> change in the 5.x versions where new the json serialization routines
> suddenly made an appearance and the code didn't work with less than
> (guessing here) 5.3 or some such, and I wanted to ensure support for
php
> 5.1.x in the next release. 
> 
> -Scott
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wrightson [mailto:ma...@rw...] 
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 6:18 AM
> To: tsh...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch
> 
> I am running PHP V5.3.2 and I now get jLogin, jLogout with the correct

> case. :)
> 
> _____________________________________________
> 
> Mob: 07725 695178
> Email: ma...@rw...
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2011 05:05, Peter Lazarus wrote:
> > Isabelle,
> > I wonder what version of php your server is using. If it is earlier
> than
> > 5.3.0, you would not experience any problem. From memory, Scott has
> php
> > version 4.something.
> >
> > My version of php is 5.3.6 and I did have a problem with language,
no
> > language strings were displayed.
> > Peter
> >
> > On 05/05/2011 04:18 PM, Isabelle Vergely wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am surprised because I have no problem with the language switch.
> >> I applied what said Scott in a message sent to the list
> >> (2011-03-30 15:53), see:
> >> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=27283175
> >>
> >> To test the language, in the file: include/jclasses/factory.php
> >> change the line (#74):
> >> $locale = "en-GB";
> >> For me, having $locale = "en-GB" or $locale = "fr-FR", it's OK
> >> to display strings respectively in English or French.
> >>
> >> I haven't test the last modification made be Peter yesterday.
> >> I will look to this soon.
> >>
> >> Isabelle.
> >>
> >>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
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> >> The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network
> >> management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial
> >> acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution.
> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tsheetx-developers mailing list
> >> Tsh...@li...
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tsheetx-developers
> >>
> >
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Language switch

[Peter L. <pal...@gm...>]

I think this is a difficult issue.

Looking at it from what software I run and the platform I develop on, I 
keep my Fedora system up to date at least every six months and often 
more frequently. So the code I test is against a fairly recent version 
of PHP which is probably not installed much worldwide.

We are a bunch of amateur developers, and I mean that in the nicest 
possible way. Whatever platform we have at home, is what we develop on 
and test against. If we are to have a set range of supported PHP levels, 
then we have to become a bunch of organised amateur developers. That 
means we will have to maintain a few levels of PHP on our systems to 
test TSNG against. That testing could take place on a planned release of 
TSNG I think, following a release plan agreed by all.

Peter

On 05/09/2011 06:05 PM, David Thompson wrote:
> We've had this kind of problem in the past, and I think will have it 
> in the future too.
> Two years ago it was the move from PHP v4 to v5, but now v5.1, v5.2 
> and v5.3 all seem to have significant differences (in their libraries).
>
> The problem is that PHP is faster than we are, but we could use that 
> to our advantage.
> Previously I proposed "mainstream", ie support the PHP version that 
> comes as standard with the main linux distros (was 5.2, but I think is 
> now 5.3).
>
> But maybe we should now go "bleeding-edge" and set 5.3 as a minimum. 
> It would avoid problems in development, and by the time we release it 
> should be mainstream.
>
> What's your experience?
>
> Tommo
>

[Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases

[Peter L. <pal...@gm...>]

The PHP support issue suggests we consider a couple of other issues. 
These issues are a) some form of testing b) some feature lists and versions.

If we are going to write and release software versions then some test 
process and check-off process is needed.

We are all working away to change things, but it is about time I think 
to set some goals which we can focus on. A set of goals also allows some 
software features to be released. Otherwise I feel we will be coding 
until next year. If we agree on some feature based goals, without target 
dates, then that gives us a way forward. The reason I said no target 
dates is we are all volunteers with our lives to lead, so working toward 
date targets will be difficult.

So I suggest we compile a list of features we are working on, along with 
their state of achievement. From that list we can aim to complete our 
features and get them out there. I would suggest we keep our feature 
list and release targets on the developer list only, and not publish it. 
Then there is no pressure to get things released.

Here is a short paper discussing some of the issues in software release 
related to SubVersion 1.5. 
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.143.4757%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=-azITeq1BoTsuAP-ncjcBQ&usg=AFQjCNFzQFzKlcwgp24ouyLd8wl3jAiA7w

For testing, we could use some open source web testing tools. However 
these tools would require a fair bit of work to set up. Here is an 
article on three of them: 
http://www.infoworld.com/d/architecture/three-open-source-web-service-testing-tools-get-high-marks-995?page=0,0

And here are comments on even more tools: 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/79733/best-automated-testing-tool-for-web-applications

Alternatively, we could create a simple one page list of tests that a 
release needs to achieve before its release.

Peter

Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases

[David T. <tom...@us...>]

Peter
Just to take up one of the points you make - feature lists and versions:
 
We have used Mantis in the past, and I think it covers your wish very well. You can allocate any issue to a proposed version and manage the roadmap well. It may not be as "agile" as other tools, but I can live with that. And it demands a discipline from the developers => make sure you know on which issue you are working, and update it too.
 
The other thing is, is that it is open and transparent. Anyone who registers can see the development status. This, I believe, is crucial to open source development. Why do you not want to publicise what we are doing?
 
If you look through the Mantis database, there is at least one example where users have raised problems and pushed to get them resolved. How did we handle the pressure? Polite ignoring. We can handle the pressure. Everyone should accept that this is, as you say, an amateur effort, and if you need mission-critical professional support then TSNG is not the app for you. 
 
Saying that, I am a professional developer and I can send my contact details to anyone willing to pay my hourly rate :-) Mind you, if anyone needs help with 2.0, I'm not the man to hire - I haven't looked at the code in quite a while!
 
> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:28:48 +1000
> From: pal...@gm...
> To: tsh...@li...
> Subject: [Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases
> 
> The PHP support issue suggests we consider a couple of other issues. 
> These issues are a) some form of testing b) some feature lists and versions.
> 
> If we are going to write and release software versions then some test 
> process and check-off process is needed.
> 
> We are all working away to change things, but it is about time I think 
> to set some goals which we can focus on. A set of goals also allows some 
> software features to be released. Otherwise I feel we will be coding 
> until next year. If we agree on some feature based goals, without target 
> dates, then that gives us a way forward. The reason I said no target 
> dates is we are all volunteers with our lives to lead, so working toward 
> date targets will be difficult.
> 
> So I suggest we compile a list of features we are working on, along with 
> their state of achievement. From that list we can aim to complete our 
> features and get them out there. I would suggest we keep our feature 
> list and release targets on the developer list only, and not publish it. 
> Then there is no pressure to get things released.
> 
> Here is a short paper discussing some of the issues in software release 
> related to SubVersion 1.5. 
> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.143.4757%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=-azITeq1BoTsuAP-ncjcBQ&usg=AFQjCNFzQFzKlcwgp24ouyLd8wl3jAiA7w
> 
> For testing, we could use some open source web testing tools. However 
> these tools would require a fair bit of work to set up. Here is an 
> article on three of them: 
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/architecture/three-open-source-web-service-testing-tools-get-high-marks-995?page=0,0
> 
> And here are comments on even more tools: 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/79733/best-automated-testing-tool-for-web-applications
> 
> Alternatively, we could create a simple one page list of tests that a 
> release needs to achieve before its release.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases

[Peter L. <pal...@gm...>]

Dave,
I haven't looked at Mantis before. Is this it:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=33621&atid=408909

You mention it may it not be as agile as other tools, but I don;t think that
matters. Something simple, easy to use, and which provides some planning and
direction will be fine.

Why didn't I want to publish the list? Just so us developers won't be under
any pressure. And you answered that issue with the "politely ignore".

peter

On 10 May 2011 20:10, David Thompson <tom...@us...>wrote:

>  Peter
> Just to take up one of the points you make - feature lists and versions:
>
> We have used Mantis in the past, and I think it covers your wish very well.
> You can allocate any issue to a proposed version and manage the roadmap
> well. It may not be as "agile" as other tools, but I can live with that. And
> it demands a discipline from the developers => make sure you know on which
> issue you are working, and update it too.
>
> The other thing is, is that it is open and transparent. Anyone who
> registers can see the development status. This, I believe, is crucial to
> open source development. Why do you not want to publicise what we are doing?
>
> If you look through the Mantis database, there is at least one example
> where users have raised problems and pushed to get them resolved. How did we
> handle the pressure? Polite ignoring. We can handle the pressure.
> Everyone should accept that this is, as you say, an amateur effort, and if
> you need mission-critical professional support then TSNG is not the app for
> you.
>
> Saying that, I am a professional developer and I can send my contact
> details to anyone willing to pay my hourly rate :-) Mind you, if anyone
> needs help with 2.0, I'm not the man to hire - I haven't looked at the code
> in quite a while!
>
> > Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:28:48 +1000
> > From: pal...@gm...
> > To: tsh...@li...
> > Subject: [Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases
> >
> > The PHP support issue suggests we consider a couple of other issues.
> > These issues are a) some form of testing b) some feature lists and
> versions.
> >
> > If we are going to write and release software versions then some test
> > process and check-off process is needed.
> >
> > We are all working away to change things, but it is about time I think
> > to set some goals which we can focus on. A set of goals also allows some
> > software features to be released. Otherwise I feel we will be coding
> > until next year. If we agree on some feature based goals, without target
> > dates, then that gives us a way forward. The reason I said no target
> > dates is we are all volunteers with our lives to lead, so working toward
> > date targets will be difficult.
> >
> > So I suggest we compile a list of features we are working on, along with
> > their state of achievement. From that list we can aim to complete our
> > features and get them out there. I would suggest we keep our feature
> > list and release targets on the developer list only, and not publish it.
> > Then there is no pressure to get things released.
> >
> > Here is a short paper discussing some of the issues in software release
> > related to SubVersion 1.5.
> >
> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.143.4757%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=-azITeq1BoTsuAP-ncjcBQ&usg=AFQjCNFzQFzKlcwgp24ouyLd8wl3jAiA7w
> >
> > For testing, we could use some open source web testing tools. However
> > these tools would require a fair bit of work to set up. Here is an
> > article on three of them:
> >
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/architecture/three-open-source-web-service-testing-tools-get-high-marks-995?page=0,0
> >
> > And here are comments on even more tools:
> >
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/79733/best-automated-testing-tool-for-web-applications
> >
> > Alternatively, we could create a simple one page list of tests that a
> > release needs to achieve before its release.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
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Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases

[Peter L. <pal...@gm...>]

Dave, or anyone,
further to the use of Mantis. If this tracker thing I refer to below is 
Mantis, can you give me some guidance on how you think it should be 
used? I see lots of requests, which have really been ignored! So for 
version 2.0, should we add a list of features into Tracker? For requests 
that will be met, e.g. time submission, how to link the existing request 
896278 to the new feature, and how to be able to see the feature list in 
2.0 at one spot?
Peter

On 05/10/2011 10:12 PM, Peter Lazarus wrote:
> Dave,
> I haven't looked at Mantis before. Is this it: 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=33621&atid=408909 
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=33621&atid=408909>
>
> You mention it may it not be as agile as other tools, but I don;t 
> think that matters. Something simple, easy to use, and which provides 
> some planning and direction will be fine.
>
> Why didn't I want to publish the list? Just so us developers won't be 
> under any pressure. And you answered that issue with the "politely 
> ignore".
>
> peter

Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Testing and target releases

[Mark W. <ma...@rw...>]

I think Unit (PHPUnit) testing would be a good way to go.  If we are 
going to spend time testing, we may aswell
spend time upfront writing the tests as once it is done it is done.  The 
majority of the tests can then be automated.  Also PHPUnit
does not hvae any dependencies on other software languages unlike many 
of the suggestions in the stackoverflow thread.

With regard to the PHP version targetting, maybe we should just say (for 
now) 5.x  Once we have test routines in place
it will make it much easier to do cross version testing.  For the time 
being, if we all try to stick to the versions of php we currently
have but with Peter running the bleeding edge version, that will give a 
degree of cross version testability.

I also agree with Peter that we should finalise a list of updates for 
the next release and push them out by a particular date.
If we said 1st September release is our target, that would seem 
reasonable to me?

Mark

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On 10/05/2011 04:28, Peter Lazarus wrote:
> The PHP support issue suggests we consider a couple of other issues.
> These issues are a) some form of testing b) some feature lists and versions.
>
> If we are going to write and release software versions then some test
> process and check-off process is needed.
>
> We are all working away to change things, but it is about time I think
> to set some goals which we can focus on. A set of goals also allows some
> software features to be released. Otherwise I feel we will be coding
> until next year. If we agree on some feature based goals, without target
> dates, then that gives us a way forward. The reason I said no target
> dates is we are all volunteers with our lives to lead, so working toward
> date targets will be difficult.
>
> So I suggest we compile a list of features we are working on, along with
> their state of achievement. From that list we can aim to complete our
> features and get them out there. I would suggest we keep our feature
> list and release targets on the developer list only, and not publish it.
> Then there is no pressure to get things released.
>
> Here is a short paper discussing some of the issues in software release
> related to SubVersion 1.5.
> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.143.4757%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=-azITeq1BoTsuAP-ncjcBQ&usg=AFQjCNFzQFzKlcwgp24ouyLd8wl3jAiA7w
>
> For testing, we could use some open source web testing tools. However
> these tools would require a fair bit of work to set up. Here is an
> article on three of them:
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/architecture/three-open-source-web-service-testing-tools-get-high-marks-995?page=0,0
>
> And here are comments on even more tools:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/79733/best-automated-testing-tool-for-web-applications
>
> Alternatively, we could create a simple one page list of tests that a
> release needs to achieve before its release.
>
> Peter
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability
> What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know.
> Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools
> to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay
> _______________________________________________
> Tsheetx-developers mailing list
> Tsh...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tsheetx-developers
>

[Tsheetx-developers] Target releases

[David T. <tom...@us...>]

Given that I am not actively developing, and don't really have any say...
 
Goal:
- release name v2.0
- really "next gen", ie quantum leap from the current version.
- new look and feel
- at least the same functionality as the current version
- i18n
- what else?
- release date end of august 2011 (august is a year since the last release)
 
How about that?
Dave
 
> I also agree with Peter that we should finalise a list of updates for 
> the next release and push them out by a particular date.
> If we said 1st September release is our target, that would seem 
> reasonable to me?
> 
> Mark
> 

 		 	   		  

[Tsheetx-developers] Access to Tracker

[Peter L. <pal...@gm...>]

Dave, can you modify my account to allow r/w access to tracker please?
Peter

Re: [Tsheetx-developers] Access to Tracker

[David T. <tom...@us...>]

I guess you found the right place already but the link is http://bugs.timesheetng.org 

 

Anyone else need r/w access?
 
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:32:44 +1000
> From: pal...@gm...
> To: tsh...@li...
> Subject: [Tsheetx-developers] Access to Tracker
> 
> Dave, can you modify my account to allow r/w access to tracker please?
> Peter
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability
> What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know.
> Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools
> to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay
> _______________________________________________
> Tsheetx-developers mailing list
> Tsh...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tsheetx-developers
 		 	   		  

[Tsheetx-developers] Release roadmap

[David T. <tom...@us...>]

http://bugs.timesheetng.org/roadmap_page.php


I've just gone a bit mad updating Mantis, take a look. Everything is open for discussion, nothing is written in stone.

 

The roadmap shows all issues with "target version" in the future. There are also a number of issues with no set target version.

 

If you feel you are working on one of these issues great, if you don't "find yourself" consider creating a new issue and assign yourself.

 

-Tommo