trophy-development — Discussion about development of trophy

Re: [Trophy-development] Re : Trophy 2.0

[Andreas M. <am...@ub...>]

On 13.02.2012 14:46, matthieu Lecesne wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you for your work on the debian package. Since I am a ubuntu user, I like to have an updated version using official packages

Since I'm a Ubuntu Developer, I can sync the debian package over to
Ubuntu and have done that for the 2.0.0 release. I'll see to get 2.0.2
included in Debian within the next week or two.

> I've added the man page in the 2.0.2 tarball. I've just changed what was too "debian specific" (hard coded paths).

Thanks.

> I won't be adding license information in the source files in the near future, because I want to stabilise trophy 2.0 (I want it to be available for the next Ubuntu LTS (12.04)) and it's too risky to change all the source files. However, I will in the next "big" release (one day ...) and I'll also try to get closer to the (upstream) rules.

Ok, no problem.

> Can you do something about it ? The best thing would be to have both versions available in the debian official package for transitioning (porting from clanlib 1.0 to clanlib 2.0 is not easy).

I'll bring this up with the Debian Games team, it generally wouldn't be
a problem to ship both clanlib1.0 and clanlib2.0 packages so that - when
trophy has full support for 2.0 - it becomes just a matter of switching
the depends over.

Cheers,
 Andreas

[Trophy-development] Re : Trophy 2.0

[matthieu L. <mat...@ya...>]

Hi,

Thank you for your work on the debian package. Since I am a ubuntu user, I like to have an updated version using official packages

Andrew is the original developer of trophy but he doesn't work on this project anymore. I've never communicated with him, he has stopped working on it a long time ago before I started myself. I guess he has changed his e-mail since.
I don't see your e-mail in tro...@li.... I don't know what happened with that mailing list. I am currently the main developer so always add me in copy if we can't trust the sourceforge mailing list.

I've added the man page in the 2.0.2 tarball. I've just changed what was too "debian specific" (hard coded paths).

I won't be adding license information in the source files in the near future, because I want to stabilise trophy 2.0 (I want it to be available for the next Ubuntu LTS (12.04)) and it's too risky to change all the source files. However, I will in the next "big" release (one day ...) and I'll also try to get closer to the (upstream) rules.

Since you know far better than me about the debian packaging process. I'd like to show you a problem that we have with debian-based distributions for upcoming development:

trophy uses the clan-lib library. Clanlib is now in version 2 but in official debian packages there is only the 1.0 version.
In some others Linux distributions, clanlib is available only in version 2.0
The problem is that the clanlib versions are not compatible between themselves.
Josef has started to port trophy to clanlib 2.0 (https://github.com/jreidinger/trophy-clanlib2) and I would like to switch completely to this version for our future development but we can't because of debian clanlib version.
By googling I've seen that someone has started working on it (http://old.nabble.com/RFS%3A-libclanlib2.2-td30115178.html) but nothing happened for more than a year.

Can you do something about it ? The best thing would be to have both versions available in the debian official package for transitioning (porting from clanlib 1.0 to clanlib 2.0 is not easy).

Thank you in advance,

Matthieu





>________________________________
> De : Andreas Moog <am...@ub...>
>À : matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...> 
>Envoyé le : Samedi 11 février 2012 13h49
>Objet : Re: Trophy 2.0
> 
>On 11.02.2012 00:03, matthieu Lecesne wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I've fixed the bugs you have noticed in the bug tracker of trophy.
>> Trophy tarball is now available in version 2.0.1
>
>Ok, thanks very much!
>
>> I'm e-mailing you because I've read here : http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.games/5395 that you've forwarded some messages but I didn't receive anything but the bugtracker automatic messages. Did you really forwarded something to us? If Yes, what e-mail address e-mail did you use ?
>
>I mailed the following message to the
>tro...@li... and to an...@mu...:
>
>--Begin
>Hi there,
>
>first of all: Many thanks for developing trophy!
>
>I am the current maintainer of trophy in Debian and I'm in the process
>of updating the package to version 2.0.0.
>
>There are 2 documents I'd like to show you,
>http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Games/Upstream
>http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide
>
>Those contain information on what we (as Debian) do with your package,
>what we need etc.
>
>One of the most important things is (of course) the license. It would be
>very nice to have license headers added to the source code files in src/
>so that there is no doubt about the license.
>
>The lack of the header isn't a problem right now, but please consider
>adding them for the next release.
>
>I'm attaching a manpage for trophy, could you include it in the next
>release?
>
>--End
>> Thank you for what you've done to trophy. Don't hesitate to send me requests or question, I'll be glad to help if I can.
>
>Thanks, I will do that!
>
>Cheers,
>Andreas
>
>
>
>

[Trophy-development] Trophy 2.0.2

[matthieu L. <mat...@ya...>]

Trophy 2.0.2 is released

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[matthieu L. <mat...@ya...>]

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[Trophy-development] Re : Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib

[matthieu L. <mat...@ya...>]

----- Mail transféré -----
>De : matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...>
>À : Josef Reidinger <jos...@gm...> 
>Cc : Colin Pitrat <col...@gm...>; "tro...@li..." <tro...@li...> 
>Envoyé le : Jeudi 8 Décembre 2011 23h02
>Objet : Re : Re : Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib
> 
>
>Hi
>
>I have tried to execute your version.
>I first update my git branch https://github.com/mazipha/trophy-clanlib2. I don't know why but I got merge conflit (I didn't change anything before the update). I then push it. So my branch should normally be identical as yours (I am not sure if I am doing things right, git model is really different than svn model)
>I downloaded last clanlib and compiled it (takes a lot of time :-( ) and then I compile trophy
>At first, I get an exception message saying that trophy need OpenGL 2.0 and that my graphic card only support OpenGL 1.5.
>I found doc in : http://clanlib.org/wiki/MainDocs:Porting_from_ClanLib_1.0_API
>I then changed autoconf.ac from clanGL-2.3 to clanGL1-2.3 and change CL_SetupGL to CL_SetupGL1 in catrophy.cpp (change also #include <ClanLib/gl.h> to #include
 <ClanLib/gl1.h> in catrophy.h and track.h)
>but then I got a Seg Fault at startup in CL_Font_Sprite
>I then tried with CL_SetupSWRender (The old name is CL_SetupGDI in clanlib docs) and then I succeed to start it, but then I got what you can see in the E-mail_attachment, Font_Sprite is no good and not in the good place). Do you have that too on your computer?
>I then start a race but the AI seems do weird thing (maybe because Software rendering is too slow). I even succeed to the shop at the end of the race (tip if you don't already know: you can fastly finish a race by pressing Escape and confirm by pressing 'Y'). In the shop, it was really slow.
>
>How is it on your computer with your openGL >=2.0 version?
>
>Matthieu
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> De : Josef Reidinger <jos...@gm...>
>>À : matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...> 
>>Envoyé le : Mercredi 7 Décembre 2011 11h20
>>Objet : Re: Re : Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib
>> 
>>Merged. Just one note, due to workflow of git-svn it destroy change
>>git history, so it is not easy to pull changes, so if you want try it,
>>then I recommend use of git pull --force
>>Josef
>>
>>Dne 7. prosince 2011 1:00 matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...> napsal(a):
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
 I've just made 3 commits on the svn tree (thank you Josef, you gave me the
>>> motivation I was missing those last months)
>>> rev 45: Add a win Screen (ie display some text to congratulate player when
>>> he is first on championship rank)
>>> rev 46: Fix a bug when saving a game (I've just seen it today so I corrected
>>> it immediately)
>>> rev 47: Add arrows on 2 tracks to make them easier to navigate (that a point
>>> that confuses newbies on the game) and set a name for all computer players.
>>>
>>> @ Josef: If you have time, you can try to merge those commit on your
>>> version. It should be easy. I have seen in github that you have succeed to
>>> run a race. Did you succeed to make it run long enough to see the
>>> Championship screen and the Shop Screen?
>>>
>>> For now, I keep on working on releasing the 1.2.0 version of trophy (with
>>> clanlib 1.x) since there is not a lot work to
 finish it. All planned
>>> features are now here. It only miss 4 important thing:
>>> 1) Write text to describe car and upgrades in Shop Screen
>>> 2) Find the good prices for cars and upgrades (The game won't be funny if
>>> the player can buy the best cars/upgrades too soon)
>>> 3) Some Testing
>>> 4) Update website for the new version
>>>
>>> Once those 4 steps are made, we can freeze the development on this version
>>> (except for big bugs of course) and switch to Josef version for all new dev
>>> (I hope that debian distros will switch to clanlib2)
>>>
>>> Matthieu
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> De : Colin Pitrat <col...@gm...>
>>> À : matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...>
>>> Cc : Josef Reidinger <jos...@gm...>;
>>> "tro...@li..."
>>> <tro...@li...>
>>> Envoyé le : Mardi 6 Décembre 2011 8h59
>>> Objet : Re: Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm glad to be able to say that yes, there is a documentation on track file
>>> format and also a few useful information for developpers (including
>>> description of the hue stuff):
>>>
>>> For the hue and some dev
 tips:
>>> http://trophy.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=developers_corner
>>> For the track format: http://trophy.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=manual
>>>
>>> Which make me think the track designer manual should be on the first page !
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Colin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Trophy-development] Re : Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib

[matthieu L. <mat...@ya...>]

Hi

I've just made 3 commits on the svn tree (thank you Josef, you gave me the motivation I was missing those last months)
rev 45: Add a win Screen (ie display some text to congratulate player when he is first on championship rank)
rev 46: Fix a bug when saving a game (I've just seen it today so I corrected it immediately)
rev 47: Add arrows on 2 tracks to make them easier to navigate (that a point that confuses newbies on the game) and set a name for all computer players.

@ Josef: If you have time, you can try to merge those commit on your version. It should be easy. I have seen in github that you have succeed to run a race. Did you succeed to make it run long enough to see the Championship screen and the Shop Screen?

For now, I keep on working on releasing the 1.2.0 version of trophy (with clanlib 1.x) since there is not a lot work to finish it. All planned features are now here. It only miss 4 important thing:
1) Write text to describe car and upgrades in Shop Screen
2) Find the good prices for cars and upgrades (The game won't be funny if the player can buy the best cars/upgrades too soon)
3) Some Testing
4) Update website for the new version

Once those 4 steps are made, we can freeze the development on this version (except for big bugs of course) and switch to Josef version for all new dev (I hope that debian distros will switch to clanlib2)

Matthieu



>________________________________
> De : Colin Pitrat <col...@gm...>
>À : matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...> 
>Cc : Josef Reidinger <jos...@gm...>; "tro...@li..." <tro...@li...> 
>Envoyé le : Mardi 6 Décembre 2011 8h59
>Objet : Re: Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib
> 
>
>Hi, 
>
>I'm glad to be able to say that yes, there is a documentation on track file format and also a few useful information for developpers (including description of the hue stuff):
>
>For the hue and some dev tips: http://trophy.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=developers_corner
>For the track format: http://trophy.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=manual
>
>Which make me think the track designer manual should be on the first page !
>
>Regards,
>Colin
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Trophy-development] Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib

[Colin P. <col...@gm...>]

Hi,

I'm glad to be able to say that yes, there is a documentation on track file
format and also a few useful information for developpers (including
description of the hue stuff):

For the hue and some dev tips:
http://trophy.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=developers_corner
For the track format: http://trophy.sourceforge.net/index.php?body=manual

Which make me think the track designer manual should be on the first page !

Regards,
Colin


2011/12/5 matthieu Lecesne <mat...@ya...>

> Hi Josef,
>
> Great job ! That will save me a lot of time in the future. It is always
> great to see that I am not the only one working to keep the project alive.
>
> I am currently the main (unique) developer of trophy (mazipha). Andrew
> Mustun is the original developer but it doesn't work on it no more. Colin
> (lifo2) maintained trophy for a time and made some refactoring and then
> I've been working for adding new features (such as a championship, shop,
> etc...) and a more C++ refactoring, while Colin added some graphics for the
> new features. Lately, I have not work that much, but I still plan to
> release an official 2.0 version of trophy with the new features that are
> currently in the svn tree.
>
> The main problem with clanlib is that some distros use a 2.x version but
> others use a 1.x (that is the case with my ubuntu). That's why we still
> need a version that work with 1.x version of ClanLib, but we also need a
> version that work with 2.x so your job is very useful.
>
> If you succeed, we will see if it is possible to merge your version (with
> some #ifdef...#endif) to have code that can compile with both.
>
> I've got nothing against the idea of using git but I don't have experience
> with it. I would prefer to stick for svn for the version 2.0.0 (since there
> is not a lot of work to be done to finish and release it). When the version
> 2.0.0 will be finished. I think that we should merge to your version (that
> we will call 2.1.x version)
>
> Let me answer to your questions:
>
>
> 1) I have problem with hue transformation. What is exact purpose? Maybe
> clanlib already provide something that replace it
>
> The class CaImageHueSelection is used to change the color of the player
> (default:Red). It is used when you start a new game :  You have to type a
> nickname and on that screen, you can change your car color by pressing
> up/down arrow keys. If you disable that feature, the car will always be
> default color (ie : Red). I don't know if clanlib provide something that
> replace it.
>
>
> 2) Why trophy have own GUI and don't use clanlib one with styling? Is
> there reason for it?
>
> I think the main reason for that is history. I guess that when Andrew
> started the development of trophy (more than 10 years ago) clanlib didn't
> have a GUI
>
>
> 3) Do you consider usage of clanlib fonts? It can decrease resources.
>
> Actually, I have very few knowledge or experience about clanlib. I am
> using it only because trophy use it. I have not modified the logic that
> Andrew Mustun used with clanlib and the code that deals with clan lib is
> probably very old fashioned (Colin had updated the code to follow the
> clanlib version from 0.6 to 0.8). Probably the clanlib fonts didn't exist
> 10 years ago. The refactoring I've done mostly concentrates on C++ but not
> on clanlib usage, so don't hesitate to do some refactoring if you have some
> experience with clanlib.
>
>
> 4) Is somewhere documentation of map format?
>
> Short Answer: No, the code is in track.cpp
> Long Answer: I keep the logic that Andrew used. Read the manual that
> explain how to create a new track. You will guess/understand what is the
> purpose of the 4 tga file and the .tck file
> The .tck file actually needs some documentation (Actually, the format
> needs to  be rethought because it is confusing, I think that a xml format
> would be good).
> I will try to explain:
>
> The three lines (x,y, bridge) are the position (in pixels) of the bridge
> on a map
>
> startangle is the angle where the car starts on the start grid (0 when the
> start grid is in the right direction.
>
> The format is then like this (i, x, y, RP, x, y, RP, ..... i, x, y, RP, x,
> y, RP ...):
> These infos are for the AI. First let me explain how basically the AI
> work. You can watch how the IA work by running trophy with the --trackinfo
> option.
> For each track, there are 6 paths for a lap. Each path has 32 Route Points
> (RP) which are positions on the map. RP are displayed when you run with the
> --trackinfo option.
> At each lap an IA car is assigned a path. The IA will try to reach the
> next route points. When the IA car get close enough of the route point, it
> then try to reach the next route point, etc...
>
> i is the number of the path (from 0 to 5).
> When you have (x=,y=,RP=), x and y are the coordinate of the Route Points
> and RP is the number of the Route Point. Therefore for each "i=" You will
> get 32 sequences of "x=,y=,RP=" (RP from 0 to 31)
>
> I know this is not clear, it is not easy to explain by mail, ask me if you
> have more precise questions.
>
> Thank you very much for your help
>
> Matthieu (Mazipha)
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *De :* Josef Reidinger <jos...@gm...>
> *À :* ma...@us...; li...@us...;
> fla...@us...; and...@us...;
> tro...@li...
> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 5 Décembre 2011 14h50
> *Objet :* Porting trophy to new clanlib
>
> Hi,
> I like trophy game. I played it few years ago and now I've found that I
> cannot no longer play it in my distro due to recent clanlib.
> So I create separate project[0] for porting ( I think that for
> cooperation is better git repo then svn, so I transform it, but it is
> not problem to push it back to svn via git-svn ).
> Now it is in state that it compile, but there is still a lot of TODOs
> ( migrate resources.xml, some issue which I mention below, test how it
> run etc. ).
> I have few questions:
> 1) I have problem with hue transformation. What is exact purpose? Maybe
> clanlib already provide something that replace it.
> 2) Why trophy have own GUI and don't use clanlib one with styling? Is
> there reason for it?
> 3) Do you consider usage of clanlib fonts? It can decrease resources.
> 4) Is somewhere documentation of map format?
>
> Thanks for your responses.
> Josef
>
>
> P.S. sorry for duplication of emails, but I am not sure if you use
> mailing list.
>
> [0] https://github.com/jreidinger/trophy-clanlib2
>
>
>

[Trophy-development] Re : Porting trophy to new clanlib

[matthieu L. <mat...@ya...>]

Hi Josef,

Great job ! That will save me a lot of time in the future. It is always great to see that I am not the only one working to keep the project alive. 

I am currently the main (unique) developer of trophy (mazipha). Andrew Mustun is the original developer but it doesn't work on it no more. Colin (lifo2) maintained trophy for a time and made some refactoring and then I've been working for adding new features (such as a championship, shop, etc...) and a more C++ refactoring, while Colin added some graphics for the new features. Lately, I have not work that much, but I still plan to release an official 2.0 version of trophy with the new features that are currently in the svn tree. 

The main problem with clanlib is that some distros use a 2.x version but others use a 1.x (that is the case with my ubuntu). That's why we still need a version that work with 1.x version of ClanLib, but we also need a version that work with 2.x so your job is very useful.

If you succeed, we will see if it is possible to merge your version (with some #ifdef...#endif) to have code that can compile with both.

I've got nothing against the idea of using git but I don't have experience with it. I would prefer to stick for svn for the version 2.0.0 (since there is not a lot of work to be done to finish and release it). When the version 2.0.0 will be finished. I think that we should merge to your version (that we will call 2.1.x version)

Let me answer to your questions:

1) I have problem with hue transformation. What is exact purpose? Maybe clanlib already provide something that replace it

The class CaImageHueSelection is used to change the color of the player (default:Red). It is used when you start a new game :  You have to type a nickname and on that screen, you can change your car color by pressing up/down arrow keys. If you disable that feature, the car will always be default color (ie : Red). I don't know if clanlib provide something that replace it.

2) Why trophy have own GUI and don't use clanlib one with styling? Is there reason for it?

I think the main reason for that is history. I guess that when Andrew started the development of trophy (more than 10 years ago) clanlib didn't have a GUI

3) Do you consider usage of clanlib fonts? It can decrease resources.

Actually, I have very few knowledge or experience about clanlib. I am using it only because trophy use it. I have not modified the logic that Andrew Mustun used with clanlib and the code that deals with clan lib is probably very old fashioned (Colin had updated the code to follow the clanlib version from 0.6 to 0.8). Probably the clanlib fonts didn't exist 10 years ago. The refactoring I've done mostly concentrates on C++ but not on clanlib usage, so don't hesitate to do some refactoring if you have some experience with clanlib.

4) Is somewhere documentation of map format?

Short Answer: No, the code is in track.cpp
Long Answer: I keep the logic that Andrew used. Read the manual that explain how to create a new track. You will guess/understand what is the purpose of the 4 tga file and the .tck file
The .tck file actually needs some documentation (Actually, the format needs to  be rethought because it is confusing, I think that a xml format would be good).
I will try to explain:

The three lines (x,y, bridge) are the position (in pixels) of the bridge on a map

startangle is the angle where the car starts on the start grid (0 when the start grid is in the right direction.

The format is then like this (i, x, y, RP, x, y, RP, ..... i, x, y, RP, x, y, RP ...):
These infos are for the AI. First let me explain how basically the AI work. You can watch how the IA work by running trophy with the --trackinfo option.
For each track, there are 6 paths for a lap. Each path has 32 Route Points (RP) which are positions on the map. RP are displayed when you run with the --trackinfo option.
At each lap an IA car is assigned a path. The IA will try to reach the next route points. When the IA car get close enough of the route point, it then try to reach the next route point, etc...

i is the number of the path (from 0 to 5).
When you have (x=,y=,RP=), x and y are the coordinate of the Route Points and RP is the number of the Route Point. Therefore for each "i=" You will get 32 sequences of "x=,y=,RP=" (RP from 0 to 31)

I know this is not clear, it is not easy to explain by mail, ask me if you have more precise questions.

Thank you very much for your help

Matthieu (Mazipha)




>________________________________
> De : Josef Reidinger <jos...@gm...>
>À : ma...@us...; li...@us...; fla...@us...; and...@us...; tro...@li... 
>Envoyé le : Lundi 5 Décembre 2011 14h50
>Objet : Porting trophy to new clanlib
> 
>Hi,
>I like trophy game. I played it few years ago and now I've found that I
>cannot no longer play it in my distro due to recent clanlib.
>So I create separate project[0] for porting ( I think that for
>cooperation is better git repo then svn, so I transform it, but it is
>not problem to push it back to svn via git-svn ).
>Now it is in state that it compile, but there is still a lot of TODOs
>( migrate resources.xml, some issue which I mention below, test how it
>run etc. ).
>I have few questions:
>1) I have problem with hue transformation. What is exact purpose? Maybe
>clanlib already provide something that replace it.
>2) Why trophy have own GUI and don't use clanlib one with styling? Is
>there reason for it?
>3) Do you consider usage of clanlib fonts? It can decrease resources.
>4) Is somewhere documentation of map format?
>
>Thanks for your responses.
>Josef
>
>
>P.S. sorry for duplication of emails, but I am not sure if you use
>mailing list.
>
>[0] https://github.com/jreidinger/trophy-clanlib2
>
>
>

[Trophy-development] Porting trophy to new clanlib

[Josef R. <jos...@gm...>]

Hi,
I like trophy game. I played it few years ago and now I've found that I
cannot no longer play it in my distro due to recent clanlib.
So I create separate project[0] for porting ( I think that for
cooperation is better git repo then svn, so I transform it, but it is
not problem to push it back to svn via git-svn ).
Now it is in state that it compile, but there is still a lot of TODOs
( migrate resources.xml, some issue which I mention below, test how it
run etc. ).
I have few questions:
1) I have problem with hue transformation. What is exact purpose? Maybe
clanlib already provide something that replace it.
2) Why trophy have own GUI and don't use clanlib one with styling? Is
there reason for it?
3) Do you consider usage of clanlib fonts? It can decrease resources.
4) Is somewhere documentation of map format?

Thanks for your responses.
Josef


P.S. sorry for duplication of emails, but I am not sure if you use
mailing list.

[0] https://github.com/jreidinger/trophy-clanlib2

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