Re: trn-4.0-test77

[N.M. M. <nm...@ca...>]

On Oct 19 2015, Patrick Vervoorn wrote:

Sorry - I missed this when you made it.

>Did you compile trn yourself, or did you install a default package from 
>your Unix/Linux distribution? Or more generic, what are you running trn 
>on?

Compiled it myself.  I have found the causes, and they aren't a system
issue.

>What happens when you start trn using the 'rn' shortcut? If you installed 
>trn using the regular install repository of you Linux/Unix distribution, 
>all kinds of shortcuts should have been installed.
>
>trn when started called as rn starts up in rn mode.

Yes and no.  It always did include some trn mode pollution, but this
version was a lot worse.

>>    2) Sometimes, it hangs loading the overview (or possibly just takes 
>> so long that I give up).  The next attempt usually works.  I might not 
>> have selected the optimal parameters, of course.  I do not want any 
>> features beyond pure line-mode rn.
>
>You can set defaults via the environment variable TRN_INIT. Mine contains:

Thanks.  I know that.  I have discovered what the problem is, and it's
only partially trn's fault - basically, it's a misdesign of raw mode that
I know of old, but this was a new symptom.

>Finally, something you more or less excluded above, but I cannnot help 
>hinting towards it: it is worth considering using trn in trn-mode; it adds 
>a lot of extra features which provide more control over how you read your 
>news.

As I said, I utterly abominate Unix raw mode, curses and everything to do
with them, because of their appalling misdesign and ergonomics, and loathe
threads!  If I can't get it to run in rn mode, I will go to a proper WIMP
interface (possibly thunderbird, though it's pretty ghastly, too).

I have located those problems in the source, and trodden on them in the
code.  Most seem to be the result of adding trn features without bypassing
them in rn mode.  My hacks are not worth turning into fixes.

>Good luck, regards, Patrick.

Thanks.  I have (largely) hacked around them now, but followup isn't
working (probaably due to password issues).  Curiously, Pnews is.  I have
some straces and will check what is different and see if I can find the
offending code.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.