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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4

[Robert W. <rwh...@ra...>]

The days of os on the floppy is a thing of the past for me. None of my machines
have a floppy drive. I think I have one in a box somewhere... With that said,
using myOS(tm) process we could build the new Trinux; where the core could
either fit on a floppy or drop on a cd or flash drive with the rest of packages.


A bit of Linux history:
Slackware was the first Linux Distro; it came right after the kernel was
released. It is still one of the few purest distro left (thank Patrick V. for
that). Unchanged source from up-channel.

Even using vanilla from Debian it is away from the up-channel. What I am
proposing is getting the kernel from kernel.org and the other packages we need
from the up-channel unchanged and create bins for the new trinux. Dev version
would have source; production would have only bins to save on space.

If you have your system set up correctly (sandbox it) you could compile from
any
distro as long as you set up your dev environment to use the src in the sandbox.
   

I have server space that we could use to house the packages until we are ready
to release a myTrinux version on sourceforge.
    
-- 
Cheers,
 
Robert C. Whetsel

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:25:30 +0100
> From: Tom?s Vondra <wo...@vo...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing
> 	thoughts
> To: <tri...@li...>
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> I wouldn't see it as a big problem - Slackware or Debian. I think we'll be
> building most of the things from source anyway. Question is - what are we
> going to build it on? And there I suggest Debian, or any other system with
> compatible library versions. I have good access to it and AFAIK it is more
> widely used than Slackware. I've never seen or even heard of a Slackware
> system in my country. And when I say from souces, I mean vanilla. No SRPM
> stuff.
> 
> Do you have some experience with minimalisation? I'm building a MOSIX floppy
> right now and am running into space problems. busybox is too big, because
> there are too many unneeded functions. OK, it can be configured manually.
> But what about GLIBC_2.3? It takes over a megabyte. Making a boot floppy may
> be more difficult than 3 years ago. And we MUST load the base system from a
> floppy - even if the image is to be burned on CDs and USB sticks.
> 
> It is university exam time right now, so I am rather busy. I'll start the
> Trinux-ng project sometime in February, when my exams are over. There won't
> be any trinux-ng.org site - that would cost money and I have nothing to put
> there yet. Just a sourceforge account.
> 
> If anyone knows where Matt is, please tell him what is going on. I have
> found 3 mail addresses of his and none works.
> 
> Wondra
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tri...@li...
> [mailto:tri...@li...]On Behalf Of Robert
> Whetsel
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:04 AM
> To: tri...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2
> 
> 
> Trinux is built from Slackware and I think we should stick to slackware.
> Slackware 11.0 is a solid version and uses original up-channel sources. If
> we
> use Debian then we have circumvented the simplistically of Trinux in using
> unchanged packages from up-channel.
> 
> Did anyone try calling Matt?
> 
> -rwhetsel
> 
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> >    2. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (support)
> >    3. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (Helmut Hullen)
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> > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:56:32 -0500
> > From: Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...>
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> > I'm Game, count me in...
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> > >    1. Let's build a new Trinux version (Tom?? Vondra)
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> > > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:35:01 +0100
> > > From: Tom?? Vondra <wo...@vo...>
> > > Subject: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> > > To: <tri...@li...>
> > > Message-ID: <ABE...@vo...>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-2"
> > >
> > > I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> > > monitoring.
> > > It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't
> > run
> > > any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it.
> Therefore,
> > > distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> > > Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
> > > simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> > > impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
> > versions
> > > (I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> > >
> > > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> over
> > > and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be
> found.
> > > (none of his 3 e-mails work)
> > >
> > > As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is
> > often
> > > built.
> > >
> > > Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> last
> > > longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> > > In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
> > > one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers
> > and
> > > testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we
> could
> > > tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update
> floppy,
> > > CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify
> packages
> > > and so on.
> > >
> > > Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
> > > wondra (at> volny.cz
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:23:57 +0100
> > From: "support" <su...@se...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> > To: tri...@li...
> > Message-ID: <200701210123570160.00178C66@83.103.23.36>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I'm in too.
> >
> > Valerio
> >
> > On 20/01/2007, at 12.35, Tom?? Vondra wrote:
> >
> > >I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> > >monitoring.
> > >It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't
> > run
> > >any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it.
> > Therefore,
> > >distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> > >Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
> > >simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> > >impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
> > versions
> > >(I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> > >
> > >I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> > over
> > >and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be
> > found.
> > >(none of his 3 e-mails work)
> > >
> > >As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is
> > >often
> > >built.
> > >
> > >Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > >I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> > last
> > >longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> > >In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
> > >one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers
> > and
> > >testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could
> > >tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy,
> > >CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages
> > >and so on.
> > >
> > >Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
> > >wondra (at> volny.cz
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:16:00 +0100
> > From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> > To: tri...@li...
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> >
> > Hallo, Tom??,
> >
> > Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux
> > version:
> >
> > > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> > > over and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to
> > > be found. (none of his 3 e-mails work)
> >
> > Just do it!
> >
> > Viele Gruesse!
> > Helmut
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:23:00 +0100
> > From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> > To: tri...@li...
> > Message-ID: <A9I...@he...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hallo, Tom??,
> >
> > Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux
> > version:
> >
> > > Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> > > last longer.
> >
> > Trinux has based on slackware - it may be the most simple base.
> > Trinux has a few packages, Trinux doe not need a software package
> > management.
> >
> > Look at zenwalk or at "ranr" if you will see a small slackware derivate.
> >
> > If you look deep enough into Debian you will find tarballs too ... but
> > often they are much older than the original slackwarepackages.
> >
> > May be one bigger problem is a small kernel: kernel 2.4.32 fits onto a
> > disk, kernel 2.6.17 doesn't fit.
> >
> > Viele Gruesse!
> > Helmut
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: 26 Jan 2007 09:27:00 +0100
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing
> 	thoughts
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> 
> Hallo, Tom?s,
> 
> Du (wondra) meintest am 25.01.07:
> 
> > I wouldn't see it as a big problem - Slackware or Debian.
> 
> There can be a big problem.
> One part of Debian is the packet manager - Slackware has nearly no  
> packet management, managing packages is the job of the provider (Matthew  
> or you or someone else).
> 
> And another problem: Debian is antique. Look onto the Slackware sides:  
> new packages, actual packages.
> 
> Look at zenwalk for a nice small distribution based on Slackware.
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
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Re: [Trinux-talk] Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing thoughts

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Tomás,

Du (wondra) meintest am 25.01.07:

> I wouldn't see it as a big problem - Slackware or Debian.

There can be a big problem.
One part of Debian is the packet manager - Slackware has nearly no  
packet management, managing packages is the job of the provider (Matthew  
or you or someone else).

And another problem: Debian is antique. Look onto the Slackware sides:  
new packages, actual packages.

Look at zenwalk for a nice small distribution based on Slackware.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing thoughts

[<wo...@vo...>]

I wouldn't see it as a big problem - Slackware or Debian. I think we'll b=
e
building most of the things from source anyway. Question is - what are we
going to build it on? And there I suggest Debian, or any other system wit=
h
compatible library versions. I have good access to it and AFAIK it is mor=
e
widely used than Slackware. I've never seen or even heard of a Slackware
system in my country. And when I say from souces, I mean vanilla. No SRPM
stuff.

Do you have some experience with minimalisation? I'm building a MOSIX flo=
ppy
right now and am running into space problems. busybox is too big, because
there are too many unneeded functions. OK, it can be configured manually.
But what about GLIBC_2.3? It takes over a megabyte. Making a boot floppy =
may
be more difficult than 3 years ago. And we MUST load the base system from=
 a
floppy - even if the image is to be burned on CDs and USB sticks.

It is university exam time right now, so I am rather busy. I'll start the
Trinux-ng project sometime in February, when my exams are over. There won=
't
be any trinux-ng.org site - that would cost money and I have nothing to p=
ut
there yet. Just a sourceforge account.

If anyone knows where Matt is, please tell him what is going on. I have
found 3 mail addresses of his and none works.

Wondra

-----Original Message-----
From: tri...@li...
[mailto:tri...@li...]On Behalf Of Robert
Whetsel
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:04 AM
To: tri...@li...
Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2


Trinux is built from Slackware and I think we should stick to slackware.
Slackware 11.0 is a solid version and uses original up-channel sources. I=
f
we
use Debian then we have circumvented the simplistically of Trinux in usin=
g
unchanged packages from up-channel.

Did anyone try calling Matt?

-rwhetsel


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> Message: 1
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> From: Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...>
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> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:35:01 +0100
> > From: Tom?? Vondra <wo...@vo...>
> > Subject: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> > To: <tri...@li...>
> > Message-ID: <ABE...@vo...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=3D"iso-8859-2"
> >
> > I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> > monitoring.
> > It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won=
't
> run
> > any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it.
Therefore,
> > distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> > Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements =
is
> > simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> > impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
> versions
> > (I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> >
> > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
over
> > and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be
found.
> > (none of his 3 e-mails work)
> >
> > As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng i=
s
> often
> > built.
> >
> > Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
last
> > longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> > In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the =
old
> > one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need package=
rs
> and
> > testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we
could
> > tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update
floppy,
> > CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify
packages
> > and so on.
> >
> > Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly =
to
> > wondra (at> volny.cz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:23:57 +0100
> From: "support" <su...@se...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <200701210123570160.00178C66@83.103.23.36>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
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> I'm in too.
>
> Valerio
>
> On 20/01/2007, at 12.35, Tom=E1=B9 Vondra wrote:
>
> >I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> >monitoring.
> >It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won'=
t
> run
> >any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it.
> Therefore,
> >distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> >Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements i=
s
> >simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> >impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
> versions
> >(I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> >
> >I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> over
> >and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be
> found.
> >(none of his 3 e-mails work)
> >
> >As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is
> >often
> >built.
> >
> >Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> >I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> last
> >longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> >In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the o=
ld
> >one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packager=
s
> and
> >testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we co=
uld
> >tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update flop=
py,
> >CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packa=
ges
> >and so on.
> >
> >Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly t=
o
> >wondra (at> volny.cz
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:16:00 +0100
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <A9I...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1
>
> Hallo, Tom??,
>
> Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinu=
x
> version:
>
> > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> > over and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to
> > be found. (none of his 3 e-mails work)
>
> Just do it!
>
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:23:00 +0100
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <A9I...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1
>
> Hallo, Tom??,
>
> Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinu=
x
> version:
>
> > Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> > last longer.
>
> Trinux has based on slackware - it may be the most simple base.
> Trinux has a few packages, Trinux doe not need a software package
> management.
>
> Look at zenwalk or at "ranr" if you will see a small slackware derivate=
.
>
> If you look deep enough into Debian you will find tarballs too ... but
> often they are much older than the original slackwarepackages.
>
> May be one bigger problem is a small kernel: kernel 2.4.32 fits onto a
> disk, kernel 2.6.17 doesn't fit.
>
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2

[Robert W. <rwh...@ra...>]

Trinux is built from Slackware and I think we should stick to slackware.
Slackware 11.0 is a solid version and uses original up-channel sources. If we
use Debian then we have circumvented the simplistically of Trinux in using
unchanged packages from up-channel.

Did anyone try calling Matt?

-rwhetsel


Quoting tri...@li...:

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>    1. Re: Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 (Robert Whetsel)
>    2. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (support)
>    3. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (Helmut Hullen)
>    4. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (Helmut Hullen)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:56:32 -0500
> From: Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <116...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm Game, count me in...
>  
> Quoting tri...@li...:
> 
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> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Let's build a new Trinux version (Tom?? Vondra)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:35:01 +0100
> > From: Tom?? Vondra <wo...@vo...>
> > Subject: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> > To: <tri...@li...>
> > Message-ID: <ABE...@vo...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-2"
> > 
> > I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> > monitoring.
> > It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't
> run
> > any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it. Therefore,
> > distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> > Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
> > simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> > impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
> versions
> > (I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> > 
> > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project over
> > and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be found.
> > (none of his 3 e-mails work)
> > 
> > As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is
> often
> > built.
> > 
> > Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it last
> > longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> > In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
> > one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers
> and
> > testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could
> > tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy,
> > CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages
> > and so on.
> > 
> > Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
> > wondra (at> volny.cz
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > End of Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:23:57 +0100
> From: "support" <su...@se...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <200701210123570160.00178C66@83.103.23.36>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I'm in too.
> 
> Valerio
> 
> On 20/01/2007, at 12.35, Tomá¹ Vondra wrote:
> 
> >I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> >monitoring.
> >It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't
> run
> >any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it.
> Therefore,
> >distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> >Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
> >simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> >impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
> versions
> >(I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> >
> >I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> over
> >and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be
> found.
> >(none of his 3 e-mails work)
> >
> >As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is
> >often
> >built.
> >
> >Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> >I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> last
> >longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> >In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
> >one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers
> and
> >testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could
> >tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy,
> >CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages
> >and so on.
> >
> >Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
> >wondra (at> volny.cz
> >
> >
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:16:00 +0100
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <A9I...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hallo, Tom??,
> 
> Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux
> version:
> 
> > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> > over and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to
> > be found. (none of his 3 e-mails work)
> 
> Just do it!
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:23:00 +0100
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <A9I...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hallo, Tom??,
> 
> Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux
> version:
> 
> > Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> > last longer.
> 
> Trinux has based on slackware - it may be the most simple base.
> Trinux has a few packages, Trinux doe not need a software package  
> management.
> 
> Look at zenwalk or at "ranr" if you will see a small slackware derivate.
> 
> If you look deep enough into Debian you will find tarballs too ... but  
> often they are much older than the original slackwarepackages.
> 
> May be one bigger problem is a small kernel: kernel 2.4.32 fits onto a  
> disk, kernel 2.6.17 doesn't fit.
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Tomá?,

Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version:

> Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
> last longer.

Trinux has based on slackware - it may be the most simple base.
Trinux has a few packages, Trinux doe not need a software package  
management.

Look at zenwalk or at "ranr" if you will see a small slackware derivate.

If you look deep enough into Debian you will find tarballs too ... but  
often they are much older than the original slackwarepackages.

May be one bigger problem is a small kernel: kernel 2.4.32 fits onto a  
disk, kernel 2.6.17 doesn't fit.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Tomá?,

Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version:

> I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
> over and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to
> be found. (none of his 3 e-mails work)

Just do it!

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version

[support <su...@se...>]

I'm in too.

Valerio

On 20/01/2007, at 12.35, Tom=E1=B9 Vondra wrote:

>I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
>monitoring.
>It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't
run
>any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it.
Therefore,
>distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
>Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
>simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
>impossible to build any new software for it because of old library
versions
>(I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
>
>I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project
over
>and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be
found.
>(none of his 3 e-mails work)
>
>As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is
>often
>built.
>
>Who would be interested to help me develop it?
>I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it
last
>longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
>In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
>one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers
and
>testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could
>tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy,
>CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages
>and so on.
>
>Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
>wondra (at> volny.cz
>
>
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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

[Robert W. <rwh...@ra...>]

I'm Game, count me in...
 
Quoting tri...@li...:

> Send Trinux-talk mailing list submissions to
> 	tri...@li...
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> 	https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk
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> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
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> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Trinux-talk digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. Let's build a new Trinux version (Tom?? Vondra)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:35:01 +0100
> From: Tom?? Vondra <wo...@vo...>
> Subject: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version
> To: <tri...@li...>
> Message-ID: <ABE...@vo...>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-2"
> 
> I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
> monitoring.
> It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't run
> any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it. Therefore,
> distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
> Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
> simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
> impossible to build any new software for it because of old library versions
> (I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).
> 
> I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project over
> and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be found.
> (none of his 3 e-mails work)
> 
> As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is often
> built.
> 
> Who would be interested to help me develop it?
> I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it last
> longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
> In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
> one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers and
> testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could
> tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy,
> CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages
> and so on.
> 
> Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
> wondra (at> volny.cz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *****************************************
> 

[Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version

[<wo...@vo...>]

I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network
monitoring.
It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't run
any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it. Therefore,
distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me.
Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is
simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly
impossible to build any new software for it because of old library versions
(I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed).

I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project over
and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be found.
(none of his 3 e-mails work)

As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is often
built.

Who would be interested to help me develop it?
I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it last
longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now.
In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old
one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers and
testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could
tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy,
CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages
and so on.

Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to
wondra (at> volny.cz

[Trinux-talk] Announce: Comprehensive Source Database makes Distributor's and Sysop's life easier

[Enrico W. <we...@me...>]

Announcing the Comprehensive Source Database Project
------------------------------------------------------

==> What's it all about ?

The CSDB project provides an uniform database with dozens of
packages, their releases and tarball locations. Using this 
database, package maintainers and self-building sysops do not
need to keep track of tarball urls by their own. They simply
query the database by package name and canonical version number.

CSDB also provides an simple URL redirector which provides 
an canonical URL for accessing certain package+version tarball
and kicks you to an random download URL. This for example allows
automatic buildsystems to

==> How does it work ?

Lots of crawlers scan websites and ftp servers of many projects 
and feed in the found tarball URLs into our database. While feeding
in, the data is brought into an strictly canonical form.

We've got several classes of data objects:

* packages -> identifier, description, ...
* per package: releases -> canonical version, upstream version, ...
* per release: src_url -> source-format, url, ...

Users can access this database via various interfaces, ie.

+ Human-readble user interface:
  http://sourcefarm.metux.de/webfront/?show=world
  
+ Various robot interfaces:
  http://wiki.metux.de/public/SourceFarm/robots

The robot interfaces are for automated systems, ie. system builders. 
For example, the URL redirector provides an uniform URL syntax for 
fetching an tarball of some given package in some given (canonical) 
version. It does an database lookup and kicks the client to the 
actual URL. Package maintainers can simply use these URLs instead
of the actual ones and so don't have to cope with individual
release URLs anymore.

==> How can I contribute ?

Contributions are always welcomed :)

Please join our mailinglist oss...@me... by writing
"subscribe oss-qm" to maj...@me....

You may freely use the wiki at http://sourcefarm.metux.de 
but please always drop not to the maillist if you wrote something.

===> Further stuff:

[ ] How CSDB was born
    http://www.metux.de/articles/oss/csdb/how-csdb-was-born
    
[ ] CSDB Website
    http://sourcefarm.metux.de/


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 Maintainer:       Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service <we...@me...>
 Infrastructure:   metux IT service - http://www.metux.de
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[Trinux-talk] trinux-cardbus-16may04.img no ide support how to get it?

[Sascha <bi...@ki...>]

Hi,

I am new to this list and trinux also. Hello everybody.

I have downloaded and used the trinux-cardbus-16may04.img for floppy
booting an old Toshiba-500CS laptop.

It boots fine and it also finds the attached 3com nic model 3CCFE575BT
which requires the 3c59x kernel module automatically. The only lack is
that there is no ide support build in.

I tried to load kernelmodules but they mismatch the kernel and seem
incomplete also.
So I tried the pcmcia-090602.img but this version does not find the
cardbus and the supported ide does not help me without lan access.
The current trinux.img has ide support, too, but no cardbus nor pcmcia.
Trying to add it was unsuccesful, too.

I aim to floppy boot a linux with cardbus and ide support with a couple
of tools (ssh client, dd, fdisk, tar). How can I do this with trinux?

Greetings from Braunschweig, Germany.
Sascha

Re: [Trinux-talk] newbie problem

[<HHu...@T-...>]

Hallo, amills121,

Du meintest am 04.10.05 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] newbie problem:

> i have installed the system using 2 floppys
> but i dont know how to install packages ,can i install these from
> other floppies
> i cant use the hard drive to store packages

Yes - it's so simple.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

[Trinux-talk] newbie problem

[<ami...@ao...>]

i have installed the system using 2 floppys
but i dont know how to install packages ,can i install these from other  
floppies
i cant use the hard drive to store packages
i really would like to try nmap
 

[Trinux-talk] sshd questions

[Carl D. <li...@ts...>]

One of the docs says to put the public key in \tux\pkg\opensshd\.
Should this dir be /tux/config/opensshd/ ?

Where do I set opensshd to start as soon as the machine boots?  

Where do I set drives to be mounted at boot?

Thanks

Carl

[Trinux-talk] Revival

[Dr C. S K. <en...@ba...>]

Dear Matthew
I am certainly behind any revival indeed any comments on how I might assist
would be welcome.  I have been particularly impressed with the adaptations
recently regarding wireless integration and multi-sessional use of a CD in
other small systems.  Given the progress with IDS I can see a useful integrated
approach would be useful too.
Best regards
Chris

Dr Christopher S Kirk MInstNDT ASME
Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Bath
Bath UK, BA2 7AY

Telephone:       +44 (0) 1 225 384 560
Fax:             +44 (0) 1 225 386 928
Email:           en...@ba...
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The Ark:         http://www.bath.ac.uk/mech-eng/ark/index.html

Re: [Trinux-talk] Wow, people still use Trinux?! / Trinux LiveCD Based on Ubuntu

[<HHu...@T-...>]

Hallo, Matthew,

Du meintest am 12.06.05 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Wow, people still use Trinux?! / Trinux LiveCD Based on Ubuntu:

> But enough late 90's nostalgia,  I've been thinking about doing a
> stripped down (of course) version of the Ubuntu Hoary LiveCD that
> contains all the old trinux tools and more.

Fine!

By the way: take a look at
  http://www.bernd-roehling.de/trinux/

(thanks to Antonio Garcia too)


Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

RE: [Trinux-talk] Wow, people still use Trinux?! / Trinux LiveCD Based on Ubuntu

[Mike P. <MPi...@lg...>]

Hi Matthew,

First off, glad to hear from you!

Next, a confession.  I have to admit that I haven't used Trinux as much
as I had planned when I first discovered it a couple of years ago.  I
had grand plans of outfitting all of our IDFs with old Compaq laptops
running Trinux.  I wanted to take advantage of the network monitoring
tools along with setting up serial console access to our 6500 switches
in each closet.  Unfortunately I never found the time to put the plan in
action, although I did give it a good try.  (I wasn't able to get the
serial support to work with my old Compaq laptops for some reason.)=20=20

Finally, my 2 cents.  Since I haven't dedicated as much time to Trinux
as I would have liked, I personally wouldn't feel good about asking you
to continue the project.  Not because I wouldn't love to see a new
version to play around with, but because I don't want to make requests
for your time without being certain that I can take advantage of it.
HOWEVER, I ENCOURAGE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO *WOULD* BE ABLE TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF AN UPDATED TRINUX TO SPEAK UP!  Mainly though, I wanted to
write to tell you that all of your work on Trinux is greatly
appreciated.  It's a wonderful toolset and a great way to keep old
hardware relevant.  I think any project with a focus on utilizing older
hardware is a noble one and has relevancy and importance for both the
developing world and for those of us who want to see old hardware in
use, rather than in trash heaps.

Thanks for everything!
Mike

P.S.  If you do develop a new version, serial console with minicom or
similar would be very important for my application :)


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Based on Ubuntu


http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=3D3301&ugn=3Dtrinux

I was shocked as hell today to see the download/web statistics on
sourceforge. Can this really be true? Daily web hits 1600 and 5000?
Must be an error. Downloads breaking 100?

Since I (and probably most everybody else) basically considered the
project dead, I figured it would be much much lower.  Maybe the Internet
has grown since '98 when I started this out.=20

Maybe Knoppix and all the Knoppix-knockoffs are getting 10,000
downloads a day and 100,000 web hits but this makes me think their
still might be interested in a stripped-down, no frill security
distro, and just maybe, the Trinux brand is worth preserving...

Yes, like everyone else in the security industry, I've become horribly
corporate over the past five-six years.=20

But enough late 90's nostalgia,  I've been thinking about doing a
stripped down (of course) version of the Ubuntu Hoary LiveCD that
contains all the old trinux tools and more.=20

Sure there are probably a half-dozen or more Knoppix-derivatives, but
who cares, I've got a few PII's that I want to be able to run Ubuntu
LiveCD on without X.

Current list of requirements (probably in order)

- No more than 250MB ISO Size (probably smaller)
- Fast(er), non-interactive bootup
- No X (of course)
- Easily support PII-class machines with only 64MB
- Floppy configuration variables
- Serial console


Thoughts, flames, eery silence, all welcome...

And if you haven't every used, Ubuntu check it out...=20

In it for the fun...

- mdf

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[Trinux-talk] Wow, people still use Trinux?! / Trinux LiveCD Based on Ubuntu

[Matthew F. <md...@io...>]

http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=3301&ugn=trinux

I was shocked as hell today to see the download/web statistics on
sourceforge. Can this really be true? Daily web hits 1600 and 5000?
Must be an error. Downloads breaking 100?

Since I (and probably most everybody else) basically considered the
project dead, I figured it would be much much lower.  Maybe the Internet
has grown since '98 when I started this out. 

Maybe Knoppix and all the Knoppix-knockoffs are getting 10,000
downloads a day and 100,000 web hits but this makes me think their
still might be interested in a stripped-down, no frill security
distro, and just maybe, the Trinux brand is worth preserving...

Yes, like everyone else in the security industry, I've become horribly
corporate over the past five-six years. 

But enough late 90's nostalgia,  I've been thinking about doing a
stripped down (of course) version of the Ubuntu Hoary LiveCD that
contains all the old trinux tools and more. 

Sure there are probably a half-dozen or more Knoppix-derivatives, but
who cares, I've got a few PII's that I want to be able to run Ubuntu
LiveCD on without X.

Current list of requirements (probably in order)

- No more than 250MB ISO Size (probably smaller)
- Fast(er), non-interactive bootup
- No X (of course)
- Easily support PII-class machines with only 64MB
- Floppy configuration variables
- Serial console


Thoughts, flames, eery silence, all welcome...

And if you haven't every used, Ubuntu check it out... 

In it for the fun...

- mdf

-- 
| Matthew Franz                              md...@io... |
|              http://www.io.com/~mdfranz                   |

Re: [Trinux-talk] Help with installing trinux

[<HHu...@T-...>]

Hallo, Don,

Du meintest am 02.06.05 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Help with installing trinux:

> but my problem now is that during boot
> up it still looks for the floppy...

In my "/etc/lilo.conf" I have added

        append = "fd0=noprobe"

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

[Trinux-talk] Help with installing trinux

[Don B. <don...@gm...>]

Right now i have currently Installed Trinux to load on the hd of my
IBM ThinkPad 755c using FreeDos and Loadlin it seems to boot almost
flawlessly, for a while i couldnt get my packages  from the HD but i
got that working but now.  but my problem now is that during boot up
it still looks for the floppy... i cant really tell where it gets the
error from though so i cant fix it.  I was wondering if anyone else
had this problem and if they knew how to fix it.

My other question is if anyone has gotten some a window manager to
work with Trinux mabey like fluxbox or something light... and if so
what did they use and how it works... and if not mabey any suggestions
on some lightweight windowmanagers... thx alot

Re: [Trinux-talk] Unionfs article

[Matthew F. <mf...@ci...>]

Yeah, these writable filesystems are very cool. Been building some stuff 
based on the Ubuntu Hoary LiveCD -- which I prefer to knoppix because 
the debian package base is more stable. :)

- mdf

> UnionFs is finally reasonably stable for linux!  This is very cool for 
> things like Trinux, because it's much more robust and full-featured 
> than tmpfs.  Here's the article about UnionFs and Knoppix (3.8 comes 
> with it):
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6654
>

[Trinux-talk] Unionfs article

[Bill B. <bi...@ap...>]

UnionFs is finally reasonably stable for linux!  This is very cool for 
things like Trinux, because it's much more robust and full-featured than 
tmpfs.  Here's the article about UnionFs and Knoppix (3.8 comes with it):

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6654

-- Bill Burdick

[Trinux-talk] Extra info to help

[Antony <an...@cd...>]

Hi,

 

Sorry for lack of information earlier. Have tried to do some diagnostics,
and found the following info. Hope it is of use.

 

Loads   initrd.gz and bzimage ok

Adds     dhcpcd.tgz and dnslibs.tgz

Found config for eth0

Configuring eth0: using DHCP

Busybox v1.00  ........

Skipping DNS and Gateway config

Setting hostname: trinux

Cant open /dev/ttyS0

ifconfig  inet addr 127.0.0.1

ping www.bbc.co.uk: Hostname lookup failure

ifconfig /renew - error fetching interfact info: device not found

 

Thanks

 

Antony


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[Trinux-talk] Stupid questions

[Antony <an...@cd...>]

Hi,

=20

I am new to the whole linux thing =96 except that I currently run Coyote =
Linux
on a boot floppy disk. As part of the setup, you select the network =
cards,
IP addresses etc and it currently boots perfectly etc.

=20

However I noticed Trinux and thought wow - I can run Snort (the =
Intrusion
Detection program) from floppys rather than having to do a full install =
of
some huge Linux version. I downloaded and created a standard Trinux 1.4
floppy disk and set it to run. It shows me I have the dhcpcd server and
trinux on the disk and that is all. Should this then automatically act =
as a
router (and my main PC connect straight away), because if so, it =
doesn=92t
appear to be working. In short - is there anything I must set to enable =
the
standard build floppy to act as a router. I will worry about Snort =
loading
later.

=20

Thanks for your help.

=20

Antony=20


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[Trinux-talk] building your own modules with kernel 2.4.26 (iso-cd)

[<us...@gm...>]

Hello,
1. I downloaded and installed slackware 7.1.
2. I downloaded kernel 2.4.26
3. I downloaded .config from  
http://wwwx.speakeasy.org/~mfranz/trinux/kernel/2.4.26/minimal/config
   (Thanks to Rick philbrick for this link)

4. make menuconf
5. make dep modules modules_install

The created modules does not work with  build-iso-image (also Kernel 2.4.26)

here the error-messages:
.... unresolved symbol unregister_netdev_Re503d738
.... unresolved symbol .....

I need a modul for network-card     bcm5700. Perhaps anybody has this module
for Kernel 2.4.26 and so I don't need to make a new kernel.

Greetings 
Uwe