trinux-talk — General discussion including questions and problem resolution

[Trinux-talk] ( GRUB or SYSLINUX ) trinux loading ?

[Mohammad B. Z. <mbz...@gm...>]

Dear all,
I'm new trinux user and want to load its bzimage & initrd with grub or
syslinux .
How i fill syslinux.cfg or menu.lst ?
Thanks so much .

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[Michael A. <ace...@ya...>]

http://www.georgetowntechalliance.com/wp-content/themes/georgetowntech/google.html?er=srgf.jdg&himoj=te.wg&mhh=murj

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[Michael A. <ace...@ya...>]

http://mobile-it.com.ar/congratulations.php


      

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[Michael A. <ace...@ya...>]

http://sarangchon.pe.kr/perfection.php


      

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[Michael A. <ace...@ya...>]

http://imbiancatureeurocolor.it/beautiful.php


      

[Trinux-talk] ubuntu trunix status?

[Michael P. M. <mcc...@gm...>]

 Just found this project online and was wondering what the current
status for this project is?

I have been using tinycore/microcore, but am looking for an ubuntu
repository-compatible mini-distribution.

Most of the threatmind links (e.g., *http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki*)
seem to be down, or at least not accessible from where I am.

Thanks,
mpm

Re: [Trinux-talk] Initial (0.1) Release candidate is out!

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Matthew,

Du (mdfranz) meintest am 17.05.07:

> If you have held off for some reason, now is the time to do testing!

> http://blogfranz.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntutrinux-core-01-release-ca
> ndidate.html


For booting from floppy you may take a look at Eric Tromps

   ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/

(or some other slackware mirror) - I'm not yet convinced using Ubuntu  
...

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] Initial (0.1) Release candidate is out!

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

Valerio,

Thanks so much for the report! I'm glad to see somebody else got USB
booting working. I'll look into making the boot parameters for robust.

Persistent configuration files were planned be in the next (0.2)
release, but I'll try to include it in the next development build.

http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectMilestones

Unfortunately I've been sidetracked by a work projects and a new Open
Source security project (that actually will use UbuntuTrinux, BTW)
that I've been planning so I didn't make the release schedule.

But knowing that folks have actually tried the new(er) releases
encourages me to get back to work.

- mdf

On 6/14/07, Valerio Bellizzomi <su...@se...> wrote:
> On 17/05/2007, at 22.09, Matthew Franz wrote:
>
> >If you have held off for some reason, now is the time to do testing!
>
> Succedeed booting from usb in USB-ZIP mode. I used the mkdiskimage script
> from syslinux 3.36 to format the usb stick, then installed syslinux and
> ubuntutrinux. It boots ok.
> I have difficulty passing boot config parameters at the boot prompt
> (nodhcp nossh), it complains about root= and the kernel panics.
>
> One question: how do I save my modifications of network config, rcS etc.
> permanently to usb-stick ?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Valerio
>
>
> >
> >http://blogfranz.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntutrinux-core-01-release-candida
> te.html
> >
> >- mdf
> >
> >--
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> >http://www.threatmind.net/
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[Trinux-talk] Initial (0.1) Release candidate is out!

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

If you have held off for some reason, now is the time to do testing!

http://blogfranz.blogspot.com/2007/05/ubuntutrinux-core-01-release-candidate.html

- mdf

-- 
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http://www.threatmind.net/

[Trinux-talk] What should be in a trinux config file

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

So I'm working on a defining what should go in a Trinux configuration
file -- basically one .yaml file that covers 80% of the normal things
that would be user configurable.

Something that is obviously missing is packages. Kind of because I
have got to that yet and partially because my thoughts are that (this
time around) Trinux will be monolithic (not modular like before) and
that a well documented and flexible build process (obviously not
there) would supplant the need for packages the way they were core to
the distro before.

Let me know if I missed something

http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ConfigFile

Anyone should be able to edit this...

Thanks,

- mdf
-- 
Matthew Franz
http://www.threatmind.net/

[Trinux-talk] USB Drive Booting Sort of Works Now

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/BootProcess

Basically  the usb drive behaves just like a floppy (MS-DOS/vfat
formatted and you run syslinux on it from either Windows or Linux)

I've confirmed that is works on one (of my 3) USB drives (1 GB
Imation)  on a Dell Latitudes D600/510 and Compaq DL380 G4 Servers. I
used syslinux from Windows (XP) to install the boot loader
(ldlinux.sys)

Partitioning and formatting (and running syslinux /dev/sdb1) one of my
other drives did not work but I'm not sure if is the drive or
fdisk/mkdosfs/syslinux from Linux.

In any case the process appears to be more finicky than I would like
so I'd love to see how this works for others.

I copied the kernel/initrd from the iso at
http://www.threatmind.net/ubuntutrinux/ubuntutrinux-core-2.6.20.7-042207.iso

(BTW, these is actually a decent release with a working dhcp client
(dhcpcd, you have to run it yourself) tcpdump, ngrep, hping2, links,
ntpdate, trafshow) and some other stuff.  This should run on Pentium
classics and up (sorry i486) and it is only using about 22megs in ram.

- mdf

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /Ubuntutrinux :)

[<wo...@vo...>]

Greetings, Mr Franz,
sorry that I wanted to take over your distro :-). I have started some
research into boot diskettes and LFS, but I quickly ran out of time, being a
first year university student. Maybe I would have done something over the
summer...
Anyway - feel free to ask me to do some testing, scripting or packaging.

My vision is running Trinux on my laptop - Pentium 75 / 40MB RAM with Prism2
WLAN and 3C589 LAN cards, for the purpose of (W)LAN scanning and testing, as
I do now, but being able to compile new software for it. Needless to say -
it has no CDROM, USB or stable network; I boot from the HDD with loadlin.
Besides that, I can put together various testing configurations from my
ever-growing junkpile - anything in the range from 286 to Athlon64 (with the
sad exception of PII).

Regards, wondra


-----Original Message-----
From: tri...@li...
[mailto:tri...@li...]On Behalf Of Matthew Franz
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:55 PM
To: tri...@li...
Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /Ubuntutrinux
:)


>
> I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about
> trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that

Apart from "meeting" folks around the world, the learning was much of
the motivation. I've already learned a lot just in the past week or so
about the new kernel ramdisk, cpio and lot's of cool new stuff in
Busybox.

> even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better
> replaced than updated.

Well I'm completely starting from scratch -- well actually from the
Debian/Ubunut initramfs scripts then gradually ripping everything out
to the minimum.  I guess the key challenge (and where I can use a lot
of help) is narrowing down which features are most useful and
important to potential users.

I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.

I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.

My current thought is that there is some need in the 10-50MB distro
space for a distribution (or distribution toolkit) that allows easy
creation of special (single?) purpose appliances. I haven't done a lot
of research about competitors

- Bleeding edge kernels. Perhaps a small distribution that only hosts
virtual environments or uses advanced networking features?
- Quick (less than 10 minute) builds of system images
- What else?

>
> > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
>
> That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!

Sorry I've gotten spoiled with my Core 2 Duo Macbook  and Pentium D
server at home but still have a P5-133 as my firewall.

- mdf

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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

Definitely. All that is required is a gmail account and I add it as
either an owner or member. Don't exactly know what the difference is
in terms of allowed actions. It would be nice to avoid having to set
up a trac server. The google wiki is sort of slow and not as fully
featured as what I'm used to with MoinMoin so I may fire up another
instance on the box that is hosting threatmind.

- mdf

On 4/22/07, Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...> wrote:
> Matt,
> Are you taking on any developers for Trinux part duex? And, if so  how do we
> join the project on google?
>

Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2

[Robert W. <rwh...@ra...>]

Matt,
Are you taking on any developers for Trinux part duex? And, if so  how do we
join the project on google?

--
Cheers,
 
Robert C. Whetsel
302-724-6216
www.openFlightLinux.org

  “No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.”


Quoting tri...@li...:

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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Helmut Hullen)
>    2. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Valerio Bellizzomi)
>    3. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Matthew Franz)
>    4. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Matthew Franz)
>    5. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Matthew Franz)
>    6. Re: Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 (Robert Whetsel)
>    7. Feature/Bug list on Google Code Page (Matthew Franz)
>    8. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Helmut Hullen)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: 21 Apr 2007 21:01:00 +0200
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <AFI...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hallo, Matthew,
> 
> Du (mdfranz) meintest am 20.04.07:
> 
> > But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> > folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like
> > inspite of LiveCD/DVDs.
> 
> Welcome back!
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:09:33 +0200
> From: "Valerio Bellizzomi" <su...@se...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <200704212209330840.003A9557@83.103.23.36>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> On 20/04/2007, at 21.28, Matthew Franz wrote:
> 
> >Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> >discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> 
> Welcome back Matthew,
> I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
> luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.
> 
> Valerio
> 
> 
> >
> >http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290
> 108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
> >
> >But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> >folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
> >of LiveCD/DVDs.
> >
> >For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
> >where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
> >ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
> >http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
> >
> >and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
> >http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=2284
> 34
> >
> >So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
> >distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
> >never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
> >has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
> >DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
> >
> >Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
> >things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
> >been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
> >on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
> >security wiki at threatmind.net.
> >
> >I put some pages up already on objectives
> >
> >http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
> >
> >These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
> >
> >I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
> >
> >Peace,
> >
> >- mdf
> >
> >-- 
> >Matthew Franz
> >http://www.threatmind.net/
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:38:05 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: "Valerio Bellizzomi" <su...@se...>
> Cc: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> > Welcome back Matthew,
> > I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
> > luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.
> >
> 
> Valerio. I'm sorry bout that. I had an overly  aggressive filter on my
> gmail account that deleted anything with trinux in the title. I only
> undid it last night. :(
> 
> - mdf
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:40:17 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Cc: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Helmut & Mike
> 
> Good to see you guys are still around :)
> 
> - mdf
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:55:10 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> >
> > I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about
> > trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that
> 
> Apart from "meeting" folks around the world, the learning was much of
> the motivation. I've already learned a lot just in the past week or so
> about the new kernel ramdisk, cpio and lot's of cool new stuff in
> Busybox.
> 
> > even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better
> > replaced than updated.
> 
> Well I'm completely starting from scratch -- well actually from the
> Debian/Ubunut initramfs scripts then gradually ripping everything out
> to the minimum.  I guess the key challenge (and where I can use a lot
> of help) is narrowing down which features are most useful and
> important to potential users.
> 
> I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
> distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.
> 
> I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
> compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.
> 
> My current thought is that there is some need in the 10-50MB distro
> space for a distribution (or distribution toolkit) that allows easy
> creation of special (single?) purpose appliances. I haven't done a lot
> of research about competitors
> 
> - Bleeding edge kernels. Perhaps a small distribution that only hosts
> virtual environments or uses advanced networking features?
> - Quick (less than 10 minute) builds of system images
> - What else?
> 
> >
> > > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
> >
> > That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!
> 
> Sorry I've gotten spoiled with my Core 2 Duo Macbook  and Pentium D
> server at home but still have a P5-133 as my firewall.
> 
> - mdf
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Franz
> http://www.threatmind.net/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:31:26 -0500
> From: Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <117...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Good to hear from you. Drop me an email off-line and I'll let you know where
> I
> landed after I got back from my second activation...
> 
> 74B hoah :) 
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  
> Robert C. Whetsel
> 302-724-6216
> www.openFlightLinux.org
> 
>   ?No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.?
> 
> 
> Quoting tri...@li...:
> 
> > Send Trinux-talk mailing list submissions to
> > 	tri...@li...
> > 
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > 	https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > 	tri...@li...
> > 
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > 	tri...@li...
> > 
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Trinux-talk digest..."
> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)
> >       (Matthew Franz)
> >    2. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :) (Karl.)
> >    3. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
> >       (Mike Pilkington)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:28:57 -0500
> > From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> > Subject: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> > 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> > To: tri...@li...
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<33a...@ma...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > 
> > Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> > discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> > 
> >
>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
> > 
> > But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> > folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
> > of LiveCD/DVDs.
> > 
> > For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
> > where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
> > ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
> > http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
> > 
> > and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=228434
> > 
> > So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
> > distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
> > never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
> > has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
> > DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
> > 
> > Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
> > things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
> > been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
> > on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
> > security wiki at threatmind.net.
> > 
> > I put some pages up already on objectives
> > 
> > http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
> > 
> > These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
> > 
> > I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > 
> > - mdf
> > 
> > -- 
> > Matthew Franz
> > http://www.threatmind.net/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:18:15 +1200
> > From: "Karl." <evi...@gm...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> > 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> > To: tri...@li...
> > Message-ID: <20070421031814.GA4803@L667>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:28:57PM -0500, Matthew Franz wrote:
> > > Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> > > discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> > 
> > Welcome back!  (metaphorically speaking)
> > 
> > I was just using Trinux yesterday, and reading about UbuntuTrinux at the 
> > same time (I'm using it on a 486DX2/66 - it's slow enough that I get to 
> > read stuff while waiting for things :-)
> > 
> > I'm using Trinux to get files onto and off the 486 (which is usually 
> > running dos), and as a rescue distro on some of my computers (eg. an old 
> > laptop which has no functioning removable media - it's easier to boot 
> > into Trinux and fix things than it is to pull the HDD out)
> > 
> > I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about 
> > trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that 
> > even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better 
> > replaced than updated.
> > 
> > > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
> > 
> > That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!
> > 
> > I look forward to following your progress with UbuntuTrinux  :-)
> > 
> > Karl.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:20:30 -0500
> > From: "Mike Pilkington" <MPi...@lg...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> > 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> > To: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>,
> > 	<tri...@li...>
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> > 	<A35...@HO...>
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> > 
> > Hi Matthew, 
> > 
> > I think a Trinux revival is a great idea.  I'm still a pack rat and
> > can't bear to get rid of old hardware--my oldest being a PII 233 Dell
> > laptop.  
> > 
> > These days I've been playing with Damn Small Linux on a 128MB USB thumb
> > drive.  I am really enjoying the flexibility of USB drives.  I'm glad to
> > hear you have some plans for Trinux on USB.  
> > 
> > Anyway, I'll keep a lookout for your progress and will be happy to test
> > on my systems.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> > 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:55:31 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: [Trinux-talk] Feature/Bug list on Google Code Page
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> A few of you have been sending some feature requests
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/issues/list
> 
> I'm guessing you have to have a google login (thought everybody had
> one, hehe) to be able to add issues/bugs, but you might have to be
> added to the project. The google code stuff is a lighter weight than
> SF. The only real downside is that they only have a 100MB file limit
> for downloads, but I think you can request more.
> 
> Also I've started at "core tools" wiki page with specific applications
> folks have requested. Keep the requests coming.
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/wiki/CoreTools
> 
> If you look at
> http://ubuntutrinux.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/prerepo/mkinitramfs
> 
> you'll see the build script adds binaries that automatically resolves
> shared library dependencies (copy_exec does that magically)
> 
> I haven't decided yet if/when to modularize things. The key driver for
> modularization (apart from idealism) with the old Trinux was the 1.4MB
> limit. But a 1.4MB boot floppy is not feasible with 2.6, even with
> uclibc (which I don't want to mess with)
> 
> In terms of packaging my current thoughts are to eventually
> modify/this script to read in a configuration file automatically
> apt-get installs certain apps if they are not available. Basically
> having a sort of meta-packaging system that copies over files from the
> host. And if there are not Ubuntu packages available (or if they
> aren't up to date enough), then I will build .deb's for them and if
> the .deb archive gets to be large enough then I will create an
> apt-archive.
> 
> - mdf
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: 22 Apr 2007 10:26:00 +0200
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <AFM$9Q...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hallo, Matthew,
> 
> Du (mdfranz) meintest am 21.04.07:
> 
> > I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
> > distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.
> 
> > I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
> > compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.
> 
> 
> That's true. First I had used Trinux for installing Clients via FD over  
> the net - 1 disk for 20 Clients.
> Now many clients have no FD drive, but they have CD and USB. Knoppix is  
> a very fine tool, but it can too much for such a job. And the CD is  
> blocked in 1 client until shutdown.
> 
> And USB: in schools (where I work) there are still many computers which  
> can't boot from USB.
> 
> I have to look for PXE boot too - I know ...
> 
> That are the niches I want Trinux to use.
> 
> ------------
> 
> I know - it's a very special environment. But Trinux is a tool for many  
> clients within a LAN (or WAN), no tool for a single desktop computer at  
> home.
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Matthew,

Du (mdfranz) meintest am 21.04.07:

> I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
> distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.

> I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
> compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.


That's true. First I had used Trinux for installing Clients via FD over  
the net - 1 disk for 20 Clients.
Now many clients have no FD drive, but they have CD and USB. Knoppix is  
a very fine tool, but it can too much for such a job. And the CD is  
blocked in 1 client until shutdown.

And USB: in schools (where I work) there are still many computers which  
can't boot from USB.

I have to look for PXE boot too - I know ...

That are the niches I want Trinux to use.

------------

I know - it's a very special environment. But Trinux is a tool for many  
clients within a LAN (or WAN), no tool for a single desktop computer at  
home.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

[Trinux-talk] Feature/Bug list on Google Code Page

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

A few of you have been sending some feature requests

http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/issues/list

I'm guessing you have to have a google login (thought everybody had
one, hehe) to be able to add issues/bugs, but you might have to be
added to the project. The google code stuff is a lighter weight than
SF. The only real downside is that they only have a 100MB file limit
for downloads, but I think you can request more.

Also I've started at "core tools" wiki page with specific applications
folks have requested. Keep the requests coming.

http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/wiki/CoreTools

If you look at http://ubuntutrinux.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/prerepo/mkinitramfs

you'll see the build script adds binaries that automatically resolves
shared library dependencies (copy_exec does that magically)

I haven't decided yet if/when to modularize things. The key driver for
modularization (apart from idealism) with the old Trinux was the 1.4MB
limit. But a 1.4MB boot floppy is not feasible with 2.6, even with
uclibc (which I don't want to mess with)

In terms of packaging my current thoughts are to eventually
modify/this script to read in a configuration file automatically
apt-get installs certain apps if they are not available. Basically
having a sort of meta-packaging system that copies over files from the
host. And if there are not Ubuntu packages available (or if they
aren't up to date enough), then I will build .deb's for them and if
the .deb archive gets to be large enough then I will create an
apt-archive.

- mdf

Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1

[Robert W. <rwh...@ra...>]

Matt,

Good to hear from you. Drop me an email off-line and I'll let you know where I
landed after I got back from my second activation...

74B hoah :) 

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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:28:57 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> 
>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
> 
> But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
> of LiveCD/DVDs.
> 
> For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
> where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
> ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
> http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
> 
> and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=228434
> 
> So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
> distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
> never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
> has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
> DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
> 
> Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
> things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
> been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
> on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
> security wiki at threatmind.net.
> 
> I put some pages up already on objectives
> 
> http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
> 
> These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
> 
> I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> - mdf
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Franz
> http://www.threatmind.net/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:18:15 +1200
> From: "Karl." <evi...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <20070421031814.GA4803@L667>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:28:57PM -0500, Matthew Franz wrote:
> > Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> > discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> 
> Welcome back!  (metaphorically speaking)
> 
> I was just using Trinux yesterday, and reading about UbuntuTrinux at the 
> same time (I'm using it on a 486DX2/66 - it's slow enough that I get to 
> read stuff while waiting for things :-)
> 
> I'm using Trinux to get files onto and off the 486 (which is usually 
> running dos), and as a rescue distro on some of my computers (eg. an old 
> laptop which has no functioning removable media - it's easier to boot 
> into Trinux and fix things than it is to pull the HDD out)
> 
> I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about 
> trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that 
> even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better 
> replaced than updated.
> 
> > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
> 
> That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!
> 
> I look forward to following your progress with UbuntuTrinux  :-)
> 
> Karl.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:20:30 -0500
> From: "Mike Pilkington" <MPi...@lg...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>,
> 	<tri...@li...>
> Message-ID:
> 	<A35...@HO...>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Hi Matthew, 
> 
> I think a Trinux revival is a great idea.  I'm still a pack rat and
> can't bear to get rid of old hardware--my oldest being a PII 233 Dell
> laptop.  
> 
> These days I've been playing with Damn Small Linux on a 128MB USB thumb
> drive.  I am really enjoying the flexibility of USB drives.  I'm glad to
> hear you have some plans for Trinux on USB.  
> 
> Anyway, I'll keep a lookout for your progress and will be happy to test
> on my systems.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

>
> I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about
> trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that

Apart from "meeting" folks around the world, the learning was much of
the motivation. I've already learned a lot just in the past week or so
about the new kernel ramdisk, cpio and lot's of cool new stuff in
Busybox.

> even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better
> replaced than updated.

Well I'm completely starting from scratch -- well actually from the
Debian/Ubunut initramfs scripts then gradually ripping everything out
to the minimum.  I guess the key challenge (and where I can use a lot
of help) is narrowing down which features are most useful and
important to potential users.

I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.

I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.

My current thought is that there is some need in the 10-50MB distro
space for a distribution (or distribution toolkit) that allows easy
creation of special (single?) purpose appliances. I haven't done a lot
of research about competitors

- Bleeding edge kernels. Perhaps a small distribution that only hosts
virtual environments or uses advanced networking features?
- Quick (less than 10 minute) builds of system images
- What else?

>
> > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
>
> That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!

Sorry I've gotten spoiled with my Core 2 Duo Macbook  and Pentium D
server at home but still have a P5-133 as my firewall.

- mdf

-- 
Matthew Franz
http://www.threatmind.net/

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

Helmut & Mike

Good to see you guys are still around :)

- mdf

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

> Welcome back Matthew,
> I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
> luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.
>

Valerio. I'm sorry bout that. I had an overly  aggressive filter on my
gmail account that deleted anything with trinux in the title. I only
undid it last night. :(

- mdf

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Valerio B. <su...@se...>]

On 20/04/2007, at 21.28, Matthew Franz wrote:

>Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
>discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(

Welcome back Matthew,
I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.

Valerio


>
>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290
108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
>
>But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
>folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
>of LiveCD/DVDs.
>
>For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
>where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
>ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
>http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
>
>and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=2284
34
>
>So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
>distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
>never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
>has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
>DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
>
>Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
>things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
>been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
>on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
>security wiki at threatmind.net.
>
>I put some pages up already on objectives
>
>http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
>
>These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
>
>I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
>
>Peace,
>
>- mdf
>
>-- 
>Matthew Franz
>http://www.threatmind.net/
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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Matthew,

Du (mdfranz) meintest am 20.04.07:

> But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like
> inspite of LiveCD/DVDs.

Welcome back!

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Mike P. <MPi...@lg...>]

Hi Matthew,=20

I think a Trinux revival is a great idea.  I'm still a pack rat and
can't bear to get rid of old hardware--my oldest being a PII 233 Dell
laptop.=20=20

These days I've been playing with Damn Small Linux on a 128MB USB thumb
drive.  I am really enjoying the flexibility of USB drives.  I'm glad to
hear you have some plans for Trinux on USB.=20=20

Anyway, I'll keep a lookout for your progress and will be happy to test
on my systems.

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Karl. <evi...@gm...>]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:28:57PM -0500, Matthew Franz wrote:
> Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(

Welcome back!  (metaphorically speaking)

I was just using Trinux yesterday, and reading about UbuntuTrinux at the 
same time (I'm using it on a 486DX2/66 - it's slow enough that I get to 
read stuff while waiting for things :-)

I'm using Trinux to get files onto and off the 486 (which is usually 
running dos), and as a rescue distro on some of my computers (eg. an old 
laptop which has no functioning removable media - it's easier to boot 
into Trinux and fix things than it is to pull the HDD out)

I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about 
trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that 
even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better 
replaced than updated.

> It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and

That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!

I look forward to following your progress with UbuntuTrinux  :-)

Karl.

[Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk

But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
of LiveCD/DVDs.

For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/

and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=228434

So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.

Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
security wiki at threatmind.net.

I put some pages up already on objectives

http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives

These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)

I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.

Peace,

- mdf

-- 
Matthew Franz
http://www.threatmind.net/