tcl-mac — Q&A for Tcl on the Macintosh platform

Re: [MACTCL] $DISPLAY variable not set?

[Kevin W. <kw...@co...>]

On 1/16/17 2:39 PM, G 3 wrote:
> After installing TCL-TK 8.6.6, I saw this error message when I tried
> to use the Tk framework in Python:
> _tkinter.TclError: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable
>
> Anyone know of a fix for this issue?
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Sounds like Python is looking for an X11 version of Tk, not the native one.

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[MACTCL] $DISPLAY variable not set?

[G 3 <pro...@gm...>]

After installing TCL-TK 8.6.6, I saw this error message when I tried  
to use the Tk framework in Python:
_tkinter.TclError: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable

Anyone know of a fix for this issue?

Re: [MACTCL] Windows problems on Mac (Tk8.6.6)

[Kevin W. <kw...@co...>]

On 12/27/16 4:18 PM, Andy Colebourne wrote:
> Is there a fix for this – could I be using another class of Mac window 
> which gets pointerxy correct?

The specialized windows under Cocoa aren't very useful--anything that 
requires in-depth access needs to be a full window, not a tool or 
floating window.

--Kevin

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[MACTCL] Windows problems on Mac (Tk8.6.6)

[Andy C. <an...@ac...>]

Winfo pointerxy doesn't work on the Mac if the windows is floating or
utility type. It only seems to work on document windows.

 

Also "wm raise" doesn't work on transient windows.

 

I'm a bit stuck here since I need to have "winfo pointerxy" working but if I
use a non-transient document window, it gets lost behind the main window
when focus changes. If I use utility windows, raise works but I lose
pointerxy. (raise doesn't work on floating windows)

 

I'm using:

toplevel $name -class Dialog; ::tk::unsupported::MacWindowStyle style $name
utility { collapseBox closeBox resizable verticalZoom horizontalZoom}

 

and

 

$name -class Dialog; ::tk::unsupported::MacWindowStyle style $name document
{ closeBox resizable }

 

Under Windows, I'm using "wm attributes $name -toolwindow true" and those
windows raise fine and get pointerxy.

 

The pointerxy problem is possibly in FrontWindowAtPoint in tkMacOSXWm.c
which uses [NSApp orderedWindows]. I think this is ignoring anything that
isn't a document window.

 

Is there a fix for this - could I be using another class of Mac window which
gets pointerxy correct?

 

 

[MACTCL] binding differences between Windows and Mac

[Andy C. <an...@ac...>]

Under Windows, I'm using Control+z for an Undo-function and Control+Shift+z
for a Redo-fucntion (on Mac Command key is used instead of Control).

 

On Windows I can use <Control-Z> (note the capitalized Z) to bind
control+shift+z, but on the Mac using <Command+Z> ignores the shift and just
issues the same as control+z.

 

In order to bind to control+shift+z on the Mac, I need to use
<Command+Shift+z>. This doesn't work on Windows (Control+Shift+z is
ignored).

 

Tk8.5 recognised capitalized/shifted keys (e.g. Control-Z) worked fine on
both platforms , they no longer work on the Mac.

 

Is this a known bug?  Which would be correct <Control-Z> or
<Control-Shift-z?

 

 

[MACTCL] Alpha/Transparency of PNGs problems Tk 8.6.6

[Andy C. <an...@ac...>]

Alpha/Transparency of PNGs is not working correctly for me under Tk8.6.6.

 

It's fine under Windows; incorrect but not too bad on some Macs; awful on
other Macs.

 

Windows - fine with perfect transparency:
http://www.inivis.com/external/badpngwin.png

MacOS Sierra 10.12.? Newish Mac (wrong transparency levels but not corrupt):
http://www.inivis.com/external/badpngmed.png

MacOS sierra 10.12.1  2011 Mac Mini (very bad - corrupt background where it
should be transparent):  http://www.inivis.com/external/badpngsierra.png

 

The images are made with "image create photo <name> -file <filename>" from
png files.

 

I found some earlier references to transparency problems but that was some
time ago - is here a fix for this?

 

Re: [MACTCL] WIndow layout error under OS X 10.12 DETECTED_MISSING_CONSTRAINTS

[G 3 <pro...@gm...>]

On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Andy Colebourne wrote:

> ERROR MESSAGE FROM CONSOLE:
>
>
>
> Detected missing constraints for <private>.  It cannot be placed  
> because there are not enough constraints to fully define the size  
> and origin. Add the missing constraints, or set  
> translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints=YES and constraints will  
> be generated for you. If this view is laid out manually on macOS  
> 10.12 and later, you may choose to not call [super layout] from  
> your override. Set a breakpoint on DETECTED_MISSING_CONSTRAINTS to  
> debug. This error will only be logged once.
>
>
>
> This console error happens when my program is started by clicking  
> on the .app icon in the finder.  The main window shows, but it’s  
> empty and unpopulated with widgets.
>
>
>
> The program should open a large window, populated with widgets, but  
> it only shows a small empty window.
>
>
>
> Oddly, if the program is launched from a terminal (e.g. with  
> Contents/MacOS/<binary-name>) or with debugging in Apple Xcode  
> Instruments, it runs fine and the windows are as expected.
>
>
>
> It may be a bug in 10.12:
>
> http://openradar.appspot.com/28700495
>
>
>
> but is there a workaround?
>
What if you made a shell script that was located at Contents/MacOS/ 
<binary-name> that would actually run your real binary. This shell  
script would have to be made executable like this: chmod +x <shell  
script file>. The actual code inside the shell script would have to  
start your binary. I think calling it like this would work: ./<binary  
name> <arguments if any>. The binary's name would have to be changed  
and the shell script's name would have to be the binary's old name.  
Or you could alter the CFBundleExecutable setting in the info.plist  
file to be the name of the shell script.

Is there any way you could try setting the  
translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints variable to YES in TCL?  
When I looked up this variable, I found out it was a part of UIView.  
That is iOS territory. So could you give us some more information on  
this application you are having problems with?

Re: [MACTCL] WIndow layout error under OS X 10.12 DETECTED_MISSING_CONSTRAINTS

[Kevin W. <kw...@co...>]

What version of Tk?

> On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Andy Colebourne <an...@ac...> wrote:
> 
> ERROR MESSAGE FROM CONSOLE:
>  
> Detected missing constraints for <private>.  It cannot be placed because there are not enough constraints to fully define the size and origin. Add the missing constraints, or set translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints=YES and constraints will be generated for you. If this view is laid out manually on macOS 10.12 and later, you may choose to not call [super layout] from your override. Set a breakpoint on DETECTED_MISSING_CONSTRAINTS to debug. This error will only be logged once.
>  
> This console error happens when my program is started by clicking on the .app icon in the finder.  The main window shows, but it’s empty and unpopulated with widgets.
>  
> The program should open a large window, populated with widgets, but it only shows a small empty window.
>  
> Oddly, if the program is launched from a terminal (e.g. with Contents/MacOS/<binary-name>) or with debugging in Apple Xcode Instruments, it runs fine and the windows are as expected.
>  
> It may be a bug in 10.12:
> http://openradar.appspot.com/28700495
>  
> but is there a workaround?
>  
>  
>  
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[MACTCL] WIndow layout error under OS X 10.12 DETECTED_MISSING_CONSTRAINTS

[Andy C. <an...@ac...>]

ERROR MESSAGE FROM CONSOLE:

 

Detected missing constraints for <private>.  It cannot be placed because
there are not enough constraints to fully define the size and origin. Add
the missing constraints, or set
translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints=YES and constraints will be
generated for you. If this view is laid out manually on macOS 10.12 and
later, you may choose to not call [super layout] from your override. Set a
breakpoint on DETECTED_MISSING_CONSTRAINTS to debug. This error will only be
logged once.

 

This console error happens when my program is started by clicking on the
.app icon in the finder.  The main window shows, but it's empty and
unpopulated with widgets.

 

The program should open a large window, populated with widgets, but it only
shows a small empty window.

 

Oddly, if the program is launched from a terminal (e.g. with
Contents/MacOS/<binary-name>) or with debugging in Apple Xcode Instruments,
it runs fine and the windows are as expected.

 

It may be a bug in 10.12:

http://openradar.appspot.com/28700495

 

but is there a workaround?

 

 

 

[MACTCL] tk8.6.6 event problems under OS X Lion

[Andy C. <an...@ac...>]

I have a large program which adds C event handlers for button-press, motion
and button-release.

 

This is used for drawing stuff in a window - press, drag mouse, release.

 

Under Lion (OS X 10.7), a user reports that it looks like a button release
is being issued before it's actually released.  The user is pressing,
dragging and before releasing, a release event is triggering. And, it sounds
like another press may be triggering before the actual mouse button is
released.

 

It also sounds like some key events are being lost - it seems to take a few
presses of a control+key before it's recognised.

 

The same program binary works fine under Snow Leopard (10.6.8), Yosemite
(10.10) and  El Capitan (10.11).

 

As I don't have Lion, it's obviously difficult to debug this problem.

 

My software with tcl/tk 8.5, with the same event code, works fine under Lion
but perhaps there's something different about the 8.6.6 event stuff under
Lion? Does this ring any bells with anyone?

 

Any help most gratefully received.  If you'd like to try the software, I can
send you a download link, but unless you have Lion, it looks like you won't
see the problem.

 

Andy

 

[MACTCL] 3rd Call For Papers - 23rd Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2016)

[<aku...@sh...>]

Hello tcl-mac, fyi ...

23rd Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2016)
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/

November 14 - 18, 2016
Crowne Plaza Houston River Oaks
2712 Southwest Freeway, 77098
Houston, Texas, USA

[[ 7...6...5...4...3...2...1...
   Attention! One week to the paper deadline
]]
[[ Attention! Registration is open! Please have a look at
   http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/register.html
]]

[[ Known Speakers
-- Tutorials

  * Clif Flynt - GUI Testing with tktest
                 Introduction to Tcl 1
                 Introduction to Tcl 2
                 Tcl on Android

  * Joe Mistachkin - Advanced Windows Integration with Eagle, Garuda, and Harpy

  * Sean Woods - Advanced TclOO & Megawidgets in TclOO
                 Building Tcl Extensions
                 Fun with CoRoutines

]]

Important Dates:

Abstracts and proposals due   September 12, 2016
Notification to authors       September 19, 2016
WIP and BOF reservations open August 22, 2016
Hotel Room Release            October 22, 2016
Author materials due          October 24, 2016
Tutorials Start               November 14, 2016
Conference starts             November 16, 2016

Email Contact:                tcl...@go...

Submission of Summaries

Tcl/Tk 2016 will be held in Houston, Texas, USA from November 14, 2016 to November 18, 2016.

The program committee is asking for papers and presentation proposals
from anyone using or developing with Tcl/Tk (and extensions). Past
conferences have seen submissions covering a wide variety of topics
including:

* Scientific and engineering applications
* Industrial controls
* Distributed applications and Network Managment
* Object oriented extensions to Tcl/Tk
* New widgets for Tk
* Simulation and application steering with Tcl/Tk
* Tcl/Tk-centric operating environments
* Tcl/Tk on small and embedded devices
* Medical applications and visualization
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and proposals for new
  directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language

Note:
    We are especially interested in papers for OS X this time, to
    complement the keynote.

Submissions should consist of an abstract of about 100 words and a
summary of not more than two pages, and should be sent as plain text
to tcl...@go... no later than September 12, 2016. Authors of accepted
abstracts will have until October 24, 2016 to submit their final
paper for the inclusion in the conference proceedings. The proceedings
will be made available on digital media, so extra materials such as
presentation slides, code examples, code for extensions etc. are
encouraged.

Printed proceedings will be produced as an on-demand book at lulu.com

The authors will have 30 minutes to present their paper at
the conference.

The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to the
following criteria:

* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference

Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.

Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.

Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreements will be returned to
the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.

The primary author for each accepted paper will receive registration
to the Technical Sessions portion of the conference at a reduced rate.

Other Forms of Participation

The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions of
up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.

Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and Birds-of-a-Feather
sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come, first-served basis
starting in August 22, 2016. Specific instructions for reserving WIP
and BOF time slots will be provided in the registration information
available in August 22, 2016. Some WIP and BOF time slots will be held open
for on-site reservation. All attendees with an interesting work in
progress should consider reserving a WIP slot.

Registration Information

More information on the conference is available the conference Web
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various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.

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Conference Committee

   * Andreas Kupries Hewlett Packard Enterprise
   * Arjen Markus    Deltares
   * Brian Griffin   Mentor Graphics
   * Clif Flynt      Noumena Corp
   * Gerald Lester   KnG Consulting LLC
   * Joe Mistachkin  Mistachkin Systems
   * Ronald Fox      CAEN Technologies
                     NSCL @ Michigan State University
   * Steve Landers   Digital Smarties

Contact Information     tcl...@go...

Tcl'2016 would like to thank those who are sponsoring the conference:

   * ActiveState Inc
   * FlightAware
   * Mentor Graphics
   * Tcl Community Association

[MACTCL] Re Miguel, from the family

[Andreas K. <aku...@sh...>]

Guido Sofer Inglesi <gu...@so...> asked me to pass this on:

"I'm Guido, Miguel Sofer's son. I would like to thank all the condolences
messages. Miguel has spent much time to tcl and he loved to do that. It's
very touching to see that his presence was admired by the community.
Warmest Regards to all. Guido."

-- 
Sincerely,
	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise

Tcl'2016, Nov 14-18, Houston, TX, USA. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/
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Re: [MACTCL] [TCLCORE] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Colin M. <mc...@gm...>]

I received, from Miguel's wife, the sad news:

"I write to you to tell you that Miguel passed away on Monday June 13 th.
He left this world in absolute peace."

She also said, to you all:

"La cominudad Tcl era para Miguel una querida familia, cada nombre me
resuena con  mucho afecto y nostalgia. Me emociona saber de ustedes y del
dolor que compartimos por su pérdida"

Roughly interpreted:

"Miguel saw the Tcl community as family, every name resounding with a lot
of affection and nostalgia.  I am comforted that you share the pain I feel."

I would suggest, if you wish to offer Miguel's family condolences, you
might address them through his gmail account.  It seems the least intrusive
and most direct means of communication.

----

For my part, I have been working with Miguel closely for the last 18
months, and I don't have to tell you what a delightful guy he was, how much
his intelligence and great good humour added to every interaction, be it
work or play.

I was honoured to be able to work alongside him, our employer was fortunate
to have the benefit of his great expertise and skill.

Miguel had been diagnosed some years ago, and fought it to the end against
impossible odds.  I think he believed that he would prevail, which is why
he kept details close and private.  I don't think he saw much value in
burdening others.  I only knew of his daily struggle because we needed to
be able to schedule around treatments etc.  The happiest thought I have is
that he is past suffering.

Every time I use a coroutine, I will remember the great and gentle
intellect who provided them for us, whom I was pleased and privileged to
call 'Che.'

Colin.

Re: [MACTCL] [TCLCORE] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Steve L. <st...@di...>]

Gentle, intelligent, dedicated, generous - words that come to mind when remembering Miguel.

His legacy is immense. He will be missed.


> On 20 Jun 2016, at 1:28 AM, Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...> wrote:
> 
> 
> The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
> member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
> long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
> be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
> colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to Miguel's
> friends and family.
> 
> -- 
> May he be free and soar,
> 	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
> 			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
> 	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MACTCL] [TCLCORE] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Larry M. <lm...@bi...>]

If anyone knows how to contact his family please let me know.

FYI, I was emailing with Miguel not that long ago about crediting him
with some work he did in the Little language (byte code work, deep
dive).   He said:

"I'm ok. Hospital. Congrats. More later"

and I took to mean that he was OK.  Stupid me, he was saying he was OK
with the credits to him but he was in the hospital.  I completely 
misread it and I feel like a jerk.  That was April 21st so he had
been fighting whatever it was for months.

Again, if anyone has contact info for his family I'd like to pay my
respect and regret.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 07:56:44PM -0700, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know where we could send our condolences to his family?
> 
> Unfortunately I do not know.
> I got the information myself from Kevin Kenny.
> 
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:28:59PM -0700, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> > > 
> > > The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
> > > member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
> > > long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
> > > be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
> > > colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to Miguel's
> > > friends and family.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > May he be free and soar,
> > > 	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
> > > 			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
> > > 	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> 	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
> 			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
> 	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise
> 
> Tcl'2016, Nov 14-18, Houston, TX, USA. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [MACTCL] [TCLCORE] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Andreas K. <aku...@sh...>]

> Does anyone know where we could send our condolences to his family?

Unfortunately I do not know.
I got the information myself from Kevin Kenny.

> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:28:59PM -0700, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> > 
> > The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
> > member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
> > long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
> > be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
> > colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to Miguel's
> > friends and family.
> > 
> > -- 
> > May he be free and soar,
> > 	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
> > 			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
> > 	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise

-- 
Sincerely,
	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise

Tcl'2016, Nov 14-18, Houston, TX, USA. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/
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Re: [MACTCL] [Tcl-gsoc] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Clif F. <CL...@CF...>]

Hi,
  This is sad news. He was a nice guy and a pleasure to talk with at
the conferences. His understanding of the byte code engine will be hard
to replace.

  He will be missed for lots of reasons.

  Clif

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:28:59PM -0700, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> 
> The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
> member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
> long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
> be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
> colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to Miguel's
> friends and family.
> 
> -- 
> May he be free and soar,
> 	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
> 			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
> 	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise
> 
> Tcl'2016, Nov 14-18, Houston, TX, USA. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MACTCL] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Larry M. <lm...@mc...>]

Does anyone know where we could send our condolences to his family?

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:28:59PM -0700, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> 
> The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
> member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
> long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
> be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
> colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to Miguel's
> friends and family.
> 
> -- 
> May he be free and soar,
> 	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
> 			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
> 	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise
> 
> Tcl'2016, Nov 14-18, Houston, TX, USA. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are 
> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, 
> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning
> reports. http://sdm.link/zohomanageengine
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Re: [MACTCL] [TCLCORE] RIP Miguel Sofer

[<fre...@fr...>]

Sad news. RIP.

> The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
> member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
> long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
> be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
> colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to
> Miguel's
> friends and family.
> 
> --
> May he be free and soar,

[MACTCL] RIP Miguel Sofer

[Andreas K. <aku...@sh...>]

The Tcl Core Team is saddened to learn that that long-time team
member, Miguel Sofer, passed away on Monday, 13 June 2016, after a
long illness. His tireless work on the development of Tcl will surely
be missed, and we personally mourn the loss of a dear friend and
colleague. Our sincerest sympathies and best wishes go out to Miguel's
friends and family.

-- 
May he be free and soar,
	Andreas Kupries <aku...@sh...>
			<http://core.tcl.tk/akupries/>
	Developer @	Hewlett Packard Enterprise

Tcl'2016, Nov 14-18, Houston, TX, USA. http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/
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[MACTCL] 2nd Call For Papers - 23rd Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2016)

[<aku...@sh...>]

Hello tcl-mac, fyi ...

23rd Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2016)
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/

November 14 - 18, 2016
Crowne Plaza Houston River Oaks
2712 Southwest Freeway, 77098
Houston, Texas, USA

Important Dates:

[[ Attention!
   Registration is open. Please have a look at
        http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/register.html

   The tutorials are known. See
        http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/tutorials.html
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Abstracts and proposals due   September 12, 2016
Notification to authors       September 19, 2016
WIP and BOF reservations open August 22, 2016
Author materials due          October 24, 2016
Tutorials Start               November 14, 2016
Conference starts             November 16, 2016

Email Contact:                tcl...@go...

Submission of Summaries

Tcl/Tk 2016 will be held in Houston, Texas, USA from November 14, 2016 to November 18, 2016.

The program committee is asking for papers and presentation proposals
from anyone using or developing with Tcl/Tk (and extensions). Past
conferences have seen submissions covering a wide variety of topics
including:

* Scientific and engineering applications
* Industrial controls
* Distributed applications and Network Managment
* Object oriented extensions to Tcl/Tk
* New widgets for Tk
* Simulation and application steering with Tcl/Tk
* Tcl/Tk-centric operating environments
* Tcl/Tk on small and embedded devices
* Medical applications and visualization
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and proposals for new
  directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language

Submissions should consist of an abstract of about 100 words and a
summary of not more than two pages, and should be sent as plain text
to tcl...@go... no later than September 12, 2016. Authors of accepted
abstracts will have until October 24, 2016 to submit their final
paper for the inclusion in the conference proceedings. The proceedings
will be made available on digital media, so extra materials such as
presentation slides, code examples, code for extensions etc. are
encouraged.

Printed proceedings will be produced as an on-demand book at lulu.com

The authors will have 30 minutes to present their paper at
the conference.

The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to the
following criteria:

* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference

Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.

Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.

Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreements will be returned to
the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.

The primary author for each accepted paper will receive registration
to the Technical Sessions portion of the conference at a reduced rate.

Other Forms of Participation

The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions of
up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.

Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and Birds-of-a-Feather
sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come, first-served basis
starting in August 22, 2016. Specific instructions for reserving WIP
and BOF time slots will be provided in the registration information
available in August 22, 2016. Some WIP and BOF time slots will be held open
for on-site reservation. All attendees with an interesting work in
progress should consider reserving a WIP slot.

Registration Information

More information on the conference is available the conference Web
site (http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2016/) and will be published on
various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.

To keep in touch with news regarding the conference and Tcl events in
general, subscribe to the tcl-announce list. See:
http://code.activestate.com/lists/tcl-announce to subscribe to the
tcl-announce mailing list.


Conference Committee

   * Andreas Kupries Hewlett Packard Enterprise
   * Arjen Markus    Deltares
   * Brian Griffin   Mentor Graphics
   * Clif Flynt      Noumena Corp
   * Gerald Lester   KnG Consulting LLC
   * Joe Mistachkin  Mistachkin Systems
   * Ronald Fox      CAEN Technologies
                     NSCL @ Michigan State University
   * Steve Landers   Digital Smarties

Contact Information     tcl...@go...

Tcl'2016 would like to thank those who are sponsoring the conference:

   * Mentor Graphics
   * Tcl Community Association

Re: [MACTCL] Making python use updated Tk framework

[Marc C. <mar...@gm...>]

You have to build python from source, but you don't have to install it.
Just copy tkinter.so into the appropriate directory of your favorite
python.  (Rename the old one first, just in case.)

- Marc

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Kevin Walzer <kw...@co...> wrote:

> On 6/14/16 6:57 PM, Programmingkid wrote:
> > I think I picked the wrong executable:
> >
> > $ otool -L /usr/bin/python
> > /usr/bin/python:
> >
>  /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation
> (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 550.29.0)
> >       /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current
> version 125.2.0)
>
> If you're using the system Python, there's no way to change what version
> of Tk it loads. You'll need to build Python from source to ensure it
> links to your custom build  of Tk.
>
> --
> Kevin Walzer
> Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin
> http://www.codebykevin.com
> http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com
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Re: [MACTCL] Making python use updated Tk framework

[Kevin W. <kw...@co...>]

On 6/14/16 6:57 PM, Programmingkid wrote:
> I think I picked the wrong executable:
>
> $ otool -L /usr/bin/python
> /usr/bin/python:
> 	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 550.29.0)
> 	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 125.2.0)

If you're using the system Python, there's no way to change what version 
of Tk it loads. You'll need to build Python from source to ensure it 
links to your custom build  of Tk.

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com
http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com

Re: [MACTCL] Making python use updated Tk framework

[Programmingkid <pro...@gm...>]

I think I picked the wrong executable:

$ otool -L /usr/bin/python
/usr/bin/python:
	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 550.29.0)
	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 125.2.0)


On Jun 14, 2016, at 6:55 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:

> On 6/14/16 5:34 PM, Programmingkid wrote:
>> I'm not sure how to find this out. Do you have a command I can run in terminal that would help?
> 
> otool -L /path/to/executable
> 
> -- 
> Kevin Walzer
> Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin
> http://www.codebykevin.com
> http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com
> 

Re: [MACTCL] Making python use updated Tk framework

[Kevin W. <kw...@co...>]

On 6/14/16 5:34 PM, Programmingkid wrote:
> I'm not sure how to find this out. Do you have a command I can run in terminal that would help?

otool -L /path/to/executable

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com
http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com