Thread: [Springframework-developer] Release plan

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I forgot: for 1.0 I want to decide what to do about source-level metadata
attributes (Attrib4j/whatever) and have a working solution, with examples.

Rod

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Rod, Juergen, All,

I think the release plans look good.  I will update the javadoc and demos on the
website.  What is the official release announcement timing - just so I have a
deadline for the website.  I'm currently assuming that as long as we are ready
by Friday AM we will be allright in terms of the ServerSide Symposium.  

Enjoy you trip to Boston and good luck with the presentations/announcements.

Thomas

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That sounds reasonable. It would be the last posted milestone with the 
old package naming.

I still think a subsequent org.springframework release asap (in a week 
or so) would be the best choice in terms of reducing pain for the most 
later, given the ramp-up in use that seems to be happening.

jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote:

>Guys,
> 
>We're getting really delayed here. I originally intended to stick to a 6 week release schedule - release early, release often, isn't it? That's why I changed my mind a bit regarding upcoming releases:
> 
>- 1.0 M1 with org.springframework is fine, but we'll need a while to set up the new module and stabilize both codebase and documentation.
> 
>- So I'm seriously thinking about getting a 0.9.1 with com.interface21 out *tomorrow*, as this should be just a doubleclick on our "release" Ant target plus a file upload to SourceForge.
> 
>The main reason is the Hibernate support: I've been discussing the new features for a while on the Hibernate forums and in the Community Area article. This is stable, so I'd really like to get a drop-in replacement for 0.9 out ASAP, containing all that stuff.
> 
>Of course, we might release an org.springframework 1.0 M1 in a week or so already, but maybe it will take 2 weeks or 3 with all the docs, samples, testing. 0.9.1 should be just a simple point release for 0.9, without any hassle in terms of updating.
> 
>If noone has any serious objections, I'll proceed with such a 0.9.1 tomorrow. We don't need any announcement I guess, just offer it to existing 0.9 users and current prospects.
> 
>For 1.0 M1, my personal deadline is end of August, as I'm gonna spend the whole of September in Australia.
> 
>Regards,
>Juergen
> 
>P.S.: Mark's answer regarding HibernateTemplate in 0.9 actually came after I made up my mind on this, but it fits the tone nicely ;-)
> 
>

Juergen,

I think a 0.9.1 realease with the old com.interface21 package names very soon is
fine.  The new CVS module with org.springframework should follow as soon as we
can after we cut the 0.9.1 release.  I did a refactor trial run today using
IDEA, and was able to get a clean build in less than half an hour.  Then we can
update all the docs and anything else that breaks before we release 1.0M1.

Thomas

An important driver for getting to an org.springframework release,
preferably called 1.0M1, ASAP after 0.91 is that I think it's essential that
any TSS article use the final package structure, as it will be outdated in
weeks otherwise. So we need the package switch to get publicity.

Regards,
Rod

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Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Release plan

> Juergen,
>
> I think a 0.9.1 realease with the old com.interface21 package names very
soon is
> fine.  The new CVS module with org.springframework should follow as soon
as we
> can after we cut the 0.9.1 release.  I did a refactor trial run today
using
> IDEA, and was able to get a clean build in less than half an hour.  Then
we can
> update all the docs and anything else that breaks before we release 1.0M1.
>
> Thomas
>
>
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Guys,

We need to settle on a concrete roadmap.

Despite our initial plans to go straight to RC1, I'm inclined to vote =
for an M4 in two weeks' time, with the significant reworkings that have =
been introduced in the meantime (in the bean factory and AOP area), with =
the current state of the docs, and still with CGLIB1. We can also =
introduce our JPetStore version with that release.

I suggest to target RC1 for early January then, with CGLIB2 and - most =
importantly - a proper reference manual. In the ideal case, 1.0 final =
could be ready at the end of January. M4 would correspond to a feature =
freeze, with full concentration on bugfixes and docs afterwards. RC1 =
should already be as good as it gets, a true "release candidate".

Juergen

-----Original Message-----
From: spr...@li...
[mailto:spr...@li...]On Behalf
Of Matthew E. Porter
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:37 PM
To: spr...@li...
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Hibernate 2.1 and CGLIB

This was a good answer since it provides a roadmap.  Can someone post=20
this on the wiki or the website for others who may have the same=20
question?

Cheers,
   matthew

On Dec 1, 2003, at 11:04 AM, j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
>
> We've been discussing that for a while. If Hibernate 2.1 gets final=20
> early enough (and it seems to, being already in RC1 stage), we will=20
> switch to it for our 1.0 RCs. If 2.1 would still be far from final, we =

> would probably have to support both CGLIB1 and CGLIB2 somehow.=20
> Fortunately, that seems not to be necessary anymore!
>
> For the time being, if you don't proxy full classes (but just=20
> interfaces) or don't use Spring AOP in the first place, you should be=20
> able to work with Hibernate 2.1 and its CGLIB2 without hassle. The=20
> same will apply to Hibernate 2.0 users after we've moved to CGLIB2:=20
> You don't need to worry if you don't use Spring AOP will full proxies.
>
> I think we can live with requiring an update to Hibernate 2.1 if a=20
> user wants full AOP proxies in combination. Actually, we probably=20
> *need* to move to CGLIB2 once Hibernate 2.1 final is released: Power=20
> users will want to combine full Spring AOP proxying with the current=20
> Hibernate version, not with a previous one.
>
> Now it would be really great if CGLIB2 were final too until Spring 1.0 =

> final! :-) It's no problem to ship a CGLIB2 beta with our upcoming=20
> Spring 1.0 RC1, but it worries me to include a CGLIB2 beta in Spring=20
> 1.0 final. Haven't the Hibernate guys the same problem? Or are they=20
> fine with shipping a CGLIB2 beta with Hibernate 2.1 final?
>
> So I suggest to release our 1.0 RC1 shortly after Hibernate 2.1 final, =

> already with CGLIB2 support. As I said, we will just force users with=20
> full AOP proxies to upgrade to Hibernate 2.1 if using the two in=20
> combination. We could release a 1.0 M4 shortly before that though,=20
> still with CGLIB1 - to ease migration paths for Hibernate 2.0 users.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spr...@li...
> [mailto:spr...@li...]On =
Behalf
> Of Matthew E. Porter
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:06 PM
> To: spr...@li...
> Subject: [Springframework-developer] Hibernate 2.1 and CGLIB
>
>
> I have looked through the mailing list archives but was unable to find
> the answer to my question.  Will Spring move to support Hibernate 2.1
> (as it is the new *recommended* version) and, if so, when?
>
> Also, does anyone know if I can use it now with the cglib version
> change?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>    matthew
>
>
>
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Juergen,

Clearly telepathy...I'd also come to the conclusion that we need an M4. I
still remember how irritated I was when JBoss 3 jumped from the last beta to
the first RC and there were major changes. I didn't expect that, and I think
users may be bothered if RC1 is significantly different from the last
milestone release.

I think we could offer a patch for backward compatibility with CGLIB. Just
drop in an alaternative CglibAopProxy and CglibMethodInvocation. They share
the same public APIs. Maybe I should rename the present Cglib1AopProxy to
get rid of the 1, if we're going to take that approach.

I agree regarding a feature freeze for M4.

Regards,
Rod

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jürgen höller [werk3AT]" <jue...@we...>

Guys,

We need to settle on a concrete roadmap.

Despite our initial plans to go straight to RC1, I'm inclined to vote for an
M4 in two weeks' time, with the significant reworkings that have been
introduced in the meantime (in the bean factory and AOP area), with the
current state of the docs, and still with CGLIB1. We can also introduce our
JPetStore version with that release.

I suggest to target RC1 for early January then, with CGLIB2 and - most
importantly - a proper reference manual. In the ideal case, 1.0 final could
be ready at the end of January. M4 would correspond to a feature freeze,
with full concentration on bugfixes and docs afterwards. RC1 should already
be as good as it gets, a true "release candidate".

Juergen

-----Original Message-----
From: spr...@li...
[mailto:spr...@li...]On Behalf
Of Matthew E. Porter
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:37 PM
To: spr...@li...
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Hibernate 2.1 and CGLIB

This was a good answer since it provides a roadmap.  Can someone post
this on the wiki or the website for others who may have the same
question?

Cheers,
   matthew

On Dec 1, 2003, at 11:04 AM, jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
>
> We've been discussing that for a while. If Hibernate 2.1 gets final
> early enough (and it seems to, being already in RC1 stage), we will
> switch to it for our 1.0 RCs. If 2.1 would still be far from final, we
> would probably have to support both CGLIB1 and CGLIB2 somehow.
> Fortunately, that seems not to be necessary anymore!
>
> For the time being, if you don't proxy full classes (but just
> interfaces) or don't use Spring AOP in the first place, you should be
> able to work with Hibernate 2.1 and its CGLIB2 without hassle. The
> same will apply to Hibernate 2.0 users after we've moved to CGLIB2:
> You don't need to worry if you don't use Spring AOP will full proxies.
>
> I think we can live with requiring an update to Hibernate 2.1 if a
> user wants full AOP proxies in combination. Actually, we probably
> *need* to move to CGLIB2 once Hibernate 2.1 final is released: Power
> users will want to combine full Spring AOP proxying with the current
> Hibernate version, not with a previous one.
>
> Now it would be really great if CGLIB2 were final too until Spring 1.0
> final! :-) It's no problem to ship a CGLIB2 beta with our upcoming
> Spring 1.0 RC1, but it worries me to include a CGLIB2 beta in Spring
> 1.0 final. Haven't the Hibernate guys the same problem? Or are they
> fine with shipping a CGLIB2 beta with Hibernate 2.1 final?
>
> So I suggest to release our 1.0 RC1 shortly after Hibernate 2.1 final,
> already with CGLIB2 support. As I said, we will just force users with
> full AOP proxies to upgrade to Hibernate 2.1 if using the two in
> combination. We could release a 1.0 M4 shortly before that though,
> still with CGLIB1 - to ease migration paths for Hibernate 2.0 users.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spr...@li...
> [mailto:spr...@li...]On Behalf
> Of Matthew E. Porter
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:06 PM
> To: spr...@li...
> Subject: [Springframework-developer] Hibernate 2.1 and CGLIB
>
>
> I have looked through the mailing list archives but was unable to find
> the answer to my question.  Will Spring move to support Hibernate 2.1
> (as it is the new *recommended* version) and, if so, when?
>
> Also, does anyone know if I can use it now with the cglib version
> change?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>    matthew
>
>
>
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> Despite our initial plans to go straight to RC1, I'm inclined to 
> vote for an M4 in two weeks' time, with the significant reworkings 
> that have been introduced in the meantime (in the bean factory and 
> AOP area), with the current state of the docs, and still with 
> CGLIB1. We can also introduce our JPetStore version with that release.

+1

The docs issue is important - other developers here that are evaluating Spring
continually cite this as a problem.

--
Darren Davison
Public Key: http://www.davison.uk.net/key.jsp

jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote:
> Despite our initial plans to go straight to RC1, I'm inclined to vote for
> an M4 in two weeks' time, with the significant reworkings that have been
> introduced in the meantime (in the bean factory and AOP area), with the
> current state of the docs, and still with CGLIB1. We can also introduce
> our JPetStore version with that release.

FWIW don't quote me on this but I think it's likely that Hibernate 2.1 final
will be released before M4.

Chris

Chris Nokleberg wrote:

> jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote:
> 
>>Despite our initial plans to go straight to RC1, I'm inclined to vote for
>>an M4 in two weeks' time, with the significant reworkings that have been
>>introduced in the meantime (in the bean factory and AOP area), with the
>>current state of the docs, and still with CGLIB1. We can also introduce
>>our JPetStore version with that release.
> 
> 
> FWIW don't quote me on this but I think it's likely that Hibernate 2.1 final
> will be released before M4.
> 
> Chris

I must say that as I am trying to get the overall "big picture", reading 
the API doc for every class has become quite teadious.

OT: Would getting the book "Expert One-on-One: J2EE Design and 
Development" give me a better overall insight into Spring? It is my 
understanding that Rod essentially outlined the Spring framework in that 
book.

Thanks,
Patrick

> I must say that as I am trying to get the overall "big picture", reading
> the API doc for every class has become quite teadious.
>
> OT: Would getting the book "Expert One-on-One: J2EE Design and
> Development" give me a better overall insight into Spring? It is my
> understanding that Rod essentially outlined the Spring framework in that
> book.

Yes, it will certainly help with the big picture. For example, it outlines
the IoC approach and the rationale behind it, and the essentials of the JDBC
package and web framework. And it's a good book anyway :-)

The picture has gotten bigger since the book was published, however. New
features include AOP and transaction management.

Regards,
Rod

Rod Johnson wrote:

> Yes, it will certainly help with the big picture. For example, it outlines
> the IoC approach and the rationale behind it, and the essentials of the JDBC
> package and web framework. And it's a good book anyway :-)
> 
> The picture has gotten bigger since the book was published, however. New
> features include AOP and transaction management.
> 
> Regards,
> Rod
> 

Thanks, it's actually the web framework I am most interested in. The 
rest seems to flow well in my mind. Just trying to wrap my mind around 
FormControllers. :-)

Thanks,
Patrick

Juergen (et al),

So the current plan is:

- M4  (CGLIB1): just before X-mas
- RC1 (CGLIB2): 2nd week of January or something.

Is there any idea on when CGLIB2 support is to be introduced (I heard
supporting both of them at a time is a hassle or at least too much
work). We've currently got a project (Spring + Hibernate 2.1) underway
of which a initial release is targetted for the 12th of January.

Are there going to be significant changes when moving from CGLIB1 to 2
(which will force me to stick with M4 for that particular project) or is
it going to be a smooth transition without much impact?

Thanks!

Alef

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: spr...@li...=20
> [mailto:spr...@li...]
>  Namens j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT]
> Verzonden: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:27 PM
> Aan: spr...@li...
> Onderwerp: [Springframework-developer] Release plan
>=20
>=20
> Guys,
>=20
> We need to settle on a concrete roadmap.
>=20
> Despite our initial plans to go straight to RC1, I'm inclined=20
> to vote for an M4 in two weeks' time, with the significant=20
> reworkings that have been introduced in the meantime (in the=20
> bean factory and AOP area), with the current state of the=20
> docs, and still with CGLIB1. We can also introduce our=20
> JPetStore version with that release.
>=20
> I suggest to target RC1 for early January then, with CGLIB2=20
> and - most importantly - a proper reference manual. In the=20
> ideal case, 1.0 final could be ready at the end of January.=20
> M4 would correspond to a feature freeze, with full=20
> concentration on bugfixes and docs afterwards. RC1 should=20
> already be as good as it gets, a true "release candidate".
>=20
> Juergen
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spr...@li...
> [mailto:spr...@li...]
> On Behalf Of Matthew E. Porter
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:37 PM
> To: spr...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Hibernate 2.1 and CGLIB
>=20
>=20
> This was a good answer since it provides a roadmap.  Can someone post=20
> this on the wiki or the website for others who may have the same=20
> question?
>=20
>=20
> Cheers,
>    matthew
>=20
> On Dec 1, 2003, at 11:04 AM, j=FCrgen h=F6ller [werk3AT] wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > We've been discussing that for a while. If Hibernate 2.1 gets final
> > early enough (and it seems to, being already in RC1 stage), we will=20
> > switch to it for our 1.0 RCs. If 2.1 would still be far=20
> from final, we=20
> > would probably have to support both CGLIB1 and CGLIB2 somehow.=20
> > Fortunately, that seems not to be necessary anymore!
> >
> > For the time being, if you don't proxy full classes (but just
> > interfaces) or don't use Spring AOP in the first place, you=20
> should be=20
> > able to work with Hibernate 2.1 and its CGLIB2 without hassle. The=20
> > same will apply to Hibernate 2.0 users after we've moved to CGLIB2:=20
> > You don't need to worry if you don't use Spring AOP will=20
> full proxies.
> >
> > I think we can live with requiring an update to Hibernate 2.1 if a
> > user wants full AOP proxies in combination. Actually, we probably=20
> > *need* to move to CGLIB2 once Hibernate 2.1 final is=20
> released: Power=20
> > users will want to combine full Spring AOP proxying with=20
> the current=20
> > Hibernate version, not with a previous one.
> >
> > Now it would be really great if CGLIB2 were final too until=20
> Spring 1.0
> > final! :-) It's no problem to ship a CGLIB2 beta with our upcoming=20
> > Spring 1.0 RC1, but it worries me to include a CGLIB2 beta=20
> in Spring=20
> > 1.0 final. Haven't the Hibernate guys the same problem? Or are they=20
> > fine with shipping a CGLIB2 beta with Hibernate 2.1 final?
> >
> > So I suggest to release our 1.0 RC1 shortly after Hibernate=20
> 2.1 final,
> > already with CGLIB2 support. As I said, we will just force=20
> users with=20
> > full AOP proxies to upgrade to Hibernate 2.1 if using the two in=20
> > combination. We could release a 1.0 M4 shortly before that though,=20
> > still with CGLIB1 - to ease migration paths for Hibernate 2.0 users.
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spr...@li...
> > [mailto:spr...@li...]On=20
> > Behalf Of Matthew E. Porter
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:06 PM
> > To: spr...@li...
> > Subject: [Springframework-developer] Hibernate 2.1 and CGLIB
> >
> >
> > I have looked through the mailing list archives but was=20
> unable to find=20
> > the answer to my question.  Will Spring move to support=20
> Hibernate 2.1=20
> > (as it is the new *recommended* version) and, if so, when?
> >
> > Also, does anyone know if I can use it now with the cglib version=20
> > change?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >    matthew
> >
> >
> >
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