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RE: [Springframework-developer] Package names

[Kopylenko, D. <dko...@ac...>]

I vote to migrate for 1.0

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Johnson [mailto:rod...@in...] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:03 PM
To: tri...@tr...; spr...@li...
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names


Thomas, All,

My original plan was to keep interface21 for the following reasons:

1. to avoid confusion with the package names in the book. However, as Spring
is now a lot more than the initial release with the book, that objection
probably doesn't apply now. 2. in case anyone sued us over the name Spring.
However, that may be a bit paranoid.

So I don't have any strong feelings on the issue. It may be better to go
springframework, especially as you've already reserved the domain. I guess
it gives more credibility for a true open source project.

I'm a bit reluctant to delay the release of 0.9 for this. So can we vote
please on whether to:
- stay as we are for the time being
- migrate now
- migrate for 1.0

If we're in favour of migrating, I'd probably say do it now, but it would
probably blow away our release plans.

If we do migrate I would really like to keep the revision history, without
needing to navigate back to the old (deleted) file + package. This might
mean renaming the directories in CVS (would need SF to do this, I think); we
would probably need to do a global replace in the text. Anyone have a bright
idea on this? At least with CVS it's easy enough to migrate directory names.

Btw, Hibernate changed package names with release 2!

Regards,
Rod

> What is the future plan for package names?  Are we sticking with 
> 'com.interface21'.  A co-worker just commented on the javadoc, asking 
> what
is
> com.interface21 - he did not associate this name with Spring for some
reason :-)
>
> Have you thought about this at all?  To me it is not that important, 
> but
it
> could be down the road.  When someone is looking at a piece of code 
> that
has
> some Spring imports, would it be confusing with the current package
naming?





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Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names

[Rod J. <rod...@in...>]

> Another task when releasing: Write a press release ;-) Seriously, we
should at least write a TheServerSide announcement. The symposium is a fine
promotion opportunity, but a TSS thread will help a lot too. We should
consider posting on TSS right after the symposium, though, as both Rod and
me will be in Boston - thus the two of us won't be available for taking part
in the discussion (very important on TSS, IMO) before early next week.

Absolutely. Btw, I was just talking to Dion from TSS and he said they have
broadband in some rooms. I'm taking my RealPort, but I don't think I'll have
much time to contribute to TSS discussion :-)

I just looked at your efforts on the Hibernate forum: excellent, and they
obviously welcomed it :-)

Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names

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[Springframework-developer] Skeletons

[Ken K. <kk...@kk...>]

Juergen,

Nice job :-) . I will probably lift a lot of your skeleton documentation 
text for use in Petclinic. Maybe later we can flesh out simple examples 
based on them.

Ken

jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote:

>BTW, I've just compiled the stuff that I've posted to the Hibernate forum as essay on resource and transaction management with Spring (and Hibernate examples). I'm gonna add that to the Hibernate Wiki, as Christian Bauer suggested, probably under "Architecture" - already tomorrow, if I can make it. I'd also like to put it somewhere on our website, together with other essays like Spring web MVC vs Struts etc.
> 
>Have you already had the chance to look at our new application skeletons under samples? I really like them, I hope I'm not the only one ;-) I believe that they should definitely be mentioned as starting points in out root readme. In combination with our Javadocs and the PetClinic and PagedList demos, anyone who knows what web development is about should be able to get the gist of Spring within an hour or so (details taking more time, of course). And exactly that kind of developer is our main target group for the upcoming release, IMO.
> 
>Juergen
> 
> 
>
>	-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- 
>	Von: Rod Johnson [mailto:rod...@in...] 
>	Gesendet: Di 24.06.2003 22:18 
>	An: jürgen höller [werk3AT]; tri...@tr... 
>	Cc: spr...@li... 
>	Betreff: Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names
>	
>	
>
>	> Another task when releasing: Write a press release ;-) Seriously, we
>	should at least write a TheServerSide announcement. The symposium is a fine
>	promotion opportunity, but a TSS thread will help a lot too. We should
>	consider posting on TSS right after the symposium, though, as both Rod and
>	me will be in Boston - thus the two of us won't be available for taking part
>	in the discussion (very important on TSS, IMO) before early next week.
>	
>	Absolutely. Btw, I was just talking to Dion from TSS and he said they have
>	broadband in some rooms. I'm taking my RealPort, but I don't think I'll have
>	much time to contribute to TSS discussion :-)
>	
>	I just looked at your efforts on the Hibernate forum: excellent, and they
>	obviously welcomed it :-)
>	
>	
>	
>
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Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names

[<tri...@tr...>]

Rod, Juergen, All:

> Personally, I'm inclined to a package change even at this time, before our
> first public release. Well, we've been talking about a release _tomorrow_,
> but I wouldn't mind delaying it till next week to be able to incorporate the
> package name change - if the whole group decides to apply it.

Unless we can make the change this week, I think we should release 0.9 as is and
then follow up with a 0.91 or 0.95 release that includes the package name change.

Even Sun switched java package names around when they developed Swing, and they
pulled it off.

I don't like long package names, so I have also reserverd 'org.springfw' just to
give us another option.

(1) package com.interface21.jdbc.core.support;
(2) package org.springframework.jdbc.core.support;
(3) package org.springfw.jdbc.core.support;

I like #3

Thomas

Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names

[John V. <jv...@ia...>]

>  > Personally, I'm inclined to a package change even at this time, before our
>>  first public release. Well, we've been talking about a release _tomorrow_,
>>  but I wouldn't mind delaying it till next week to be able to incorporate the
>  > package name change - if the whole group decides to apply it.

Speaking as a lurker who is eagerly awaiting the first release with 
documentation and someone who has released open source software 
before, hold off a few days and make the changes first.

In my experience, the most important thing for a successful release is:

1. Good docs, especially docs with examples to common problems in the 
problem domain.

2. Stable code.

You really want to be ready when the first wave of potential 
developers visits, because if they are turned off they won't come 
back for the next release.

John

[Springframework-developer] Package names

[Ken K. <kk...@kk...>]

I suppose we could deploy whatever docs and examples we have on the 
website and actually release early to mid next week. It's not likely 
anyone at the symposium will be downloading while they're actually 
attending. If we take that approach, it would be best to commit to a 
release date and announce it at the symposium and on the website.

Ken
 
John VanDyk wrote:

>>  > Personally, I'm inclined to a package change even at this time, 
>> before our
>>
>>>  first public release. Well, we've been talking about a release 
>>> _tomorrow_,
>>>  but I wouldn't mind delaying it till next week to be able to 
>>> incorporate the
>>
>>  > package name change - if the whole group decides to apply it.
>
>
> Speaking as a lurker who is eagerly awaiting the first release with 
> documentation and someone who has released open source software 
> before, hold off a few days and make the changes first.
>
> In my experience, the most important thing for a successful release is:
>
> 1. Good docs, especially docs with examples to common problems in the 
> problem domain.
>
> 2. Stable code.
>
> You really want to be ready when the first wave of potential 
> developers visits, because if they are turned off they won't come back 
> for the next release.
>
> John
>
>
>
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Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names

[Rod J. <rod...@in...>]

I think it's a question of feasibility. It will be hard for me to get up and
talk about Spring when there's no release.  So if we can't do
springframework.org before Boston it's gonna have to be 0.95. If we can,
let's change now.

I vote
0.9 as is (assuming we can't change): this is as much for marketing as
anything else
0.91 with new package names soon after (even within a week)

I don't like springfw: it's a bit cryptic.

Regards,
Rod

----- Original Message -----
From: <tri...@tr...>
To: "jürgen höller [werk3AT]" <jue...@we...>
Cc: <spr...@li...>; "Rod Johnson"
<rod...@in...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names


> Rod, Juergen, All:
>
> > Personally, I'm inclined to a package change even at this time, before
our
> > first public release. Well, we've been talking about a release
_tomorrow_,
> > but I wouldn't mind delaying it till next week to be able to incorporate
the
> > package name change - if the whole group decides to apply it.
>
> Unless we can make the change this week, I think we should release 0.9 as
is and
> then follow up with a 0.91 or 0.95 release that includes the package name
change.
>
> Even Sun switched java package names around when they developed Swing, and
they
> pulled it off.
>
> I don't like long package names, so I have also reserverd 'org.springfw'
just to
> give us another option.
>
> (1) package com.interface21.jdbc.core.support;
> (2) package org.springframework.jdbc.core.support;
> (3) package org.springfw.jdbc.core.support;
>
> I like #3
>
> Thomas
>
>

Re: [Springframework-developer] Package names

[<tri...@tr...>]

Rod,

> I think it's a question of feasibility. It will be hard for me to get up and
> talk about Spring when there's no release.  So if we can't do
> springframework.org before Boston it's gonna have to be 0.95. If we can,
> let's change now.
> 
> I vote
> 0.9 as is (assuming we can't change): this is as much for marketing as
> anything else
> 0.91 with new package names soon after (even within a week)
> 

I would agree.  I don't think anyone could be upset if the package names changed
the following release - how much code could they write in a week?  Especially if
we give everybody a heads up.

I'm OK with org.springframework - I'll just use an IDE that autogenerates the
imports.

Thomas