Re: [SPMSDev] Java and SPMS

[Captain S. D. <so...@br...>]

I personally use the Java Code Conventions released by Sun Micro
systems. They are very good and very completely written. I'll have to
look up a URL for them.

-Ed

Dan Taylor wrote:

> Well, itsn't this a funny thing.
>
> I spent last night working on some ideas for a Java port of SPMS4, I
> for one would be interested in using a java version of SPMS. Then
> again, for reasons not entirely public yet I'm rather interested in
> learning more java stuff (Damn you Ed ;)).
>
> I came to a decision myself after a few hours of Java work. Screw it
> I'm more a PHP Developer than a Java Developer.
>
> So it looks like things should mesh together quite well.
>
> Its funny you should mention your original intentions for SPMS Ed,
> because thats exactly why I started on the Version 3 release of SPMS.
> I wanted it for my own site. It was never meant for public release, it
> only got put out because people asked.
>
> Version 4 will be different, everything I've got floating around my
> head is because of user feedback. SPMS is heading towards a full
> content management system, something that absolute newbies can use for
> thier site without knowing a jot of HTML. At the same time users like
> Ed, Darian or myself want to be able to use it as a simple template
> system, or extend it beyond what it was before.
>
> Before I get much further in to the design for Version 4 I just need
> to make sure everyone is aware of the direction it is moving in and to
> make sure everyone is happy with that. Whether or not the full CMS
> goes ahead as SPMS 4, I'll end up developing myself. Purely because I
> want to test my own skills in places, and because I want the challenge.
>
> Two other things that crossed my mind last week while I was away at
> uni, a standard document format for SPMS. Is everyone happy with SPMS'
> development documentation being created and released in rich text
> format (or possibly open office format?), I've already sent some stuff
> to two people who don't use MS Word, so they couldn't open word docs.
> Secondly, we need some sort of coding guidelines document, so everyone
> on the team submits code to a specified standard. I've got a draft of
> one thats been sitting on my HD for many moons, I just wondered if
> anyone else (Namely you Ed ;)) had one pre-written, or a prefered
> format to use.
>
> ~Dan
>
> Fleet Admiral Sorac Dunar wrote:
>
>> Well as you both know for reasons that are not yet public I plan to have
>> a lot more time to simm coming up and I've already reactivated my crew
>> and I'm up to 10 players now finally.
>>
>> With all that said I decided it was time to finish the consty website.
>> It's still running on my own highly customized version of SPMS 1.x. So I
>> sat down last night to start updating the look and feel of my site.
>>
>> Thats when I realized something. I really didn't want to have to
>> manually change every page in my site. So I decided that I need a
>> templating engine. I don't really want a complete CMS system, Just a
>> basic templating engine like the one I wrote for TMFSv3. So I sat down
>> to start working on adding it to the old branch.
>>
>> Then I realized something else. That I have completely forgotten some of
>> the basics of PHP. In fact I've forgotten a lot more than most of our
>> COs will ever know about PHP. I found even the basics of PHP difficult
>> to remember. Faced with a few hours to brush up on PHP and SPMS I made a
>> decision. That decision was Screw it I'm a java programmer and that's
>> what My new site will be in.
>>
>> So I spent about 3 hours and I'm most of the way completed with a basic
>> SPMS system that will run on the SPMS1 database completely written in
>> java, using Struts and Tiles. Of course it'll be using JDBC, JavaMail
>> and probably log4J before I'm finished.
>>
>> Ok, Now comes the question, Why? Why Rewrite what Dan is working on when
>> very few people can or will use a java version. Because.
>>
>> Just Because.
>>
>> Ok it doesn't work on my 3 year old either. I'm going to do java because
>> that is what I capable of maintaing at this point and I wanted to learn
>> a bit more about Struts and I've now begun to learn about Tiles from the
>> ground up. Also, as I've said from the beginning. SPMS was never started
>> to be a big OSS project. It was my personal ships website. People asked
>> for it and I gave it to them. I am now redoing my own website, It'll be
>> all java. I'll make as compatible as possible with what Dan is working
>> on, and I hope to have jSPMS final released when Dan releases SPMSv4
>> Final.
>>
>> I'll be using SF for CVS storage for the project. It just makes sense.
>> It will be completely released under the ASF license since it will rely
>> almost 100% on Apache and Jakarta projects.
>>
>> Anyway, at this point I have all the base templateing completed, and
>> I'll be starting on the manifest, and the join form. First priority is
>> to get them working with my current database first and then to get them
>> working with the v4 DB that dan will be using (I'll work on a DB
>> Conversion script from v1 to v4 at the same time, it is possible just
>> tedious).
>>
>> Well that's it from me. I just wanted to let you guys know what the new
>> repository was that you'll be seeing for our project.
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>>
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