Re: [SPMSDev] Java and SPMS

[Dan T. <da...@ta...>]

Well, itsn't this a funny thing.

I spent last night working on some ideas for a Java port of SPMS4, I for 
one would be interested in using a java version of SPMS. Then again, for 
reasons not entirely public yet I'm rather interested in learning more 
java stuff (Damn you Ed ;)).

I came to a decision myself after a few hours of Java work. Screw it I'm 
more a PHP Developer than a Java Developer.

So it looks like things should mesh together quite well.

Its funny you should mention your original intentions for SPMS Ed, 
because thats exactly why I started on the Version 3 release of SPMS. I 
wanted it for my own site. It was never meant for public release, it 
only got put out because people asked.

Version 4 will be different, everything I've got floating around my head 
is because of user feedback. SPMS is heading towards a full content 
management system, something that absolute newbies can use for thier 
site without knowing a jot of HTML. At the same time users like Ed, 
Darian or myself want to be able to use it as a simple template system, 
or extend it beyond what it was before.

Before I get much further in to the design for Version 4 I just need to 
make sure everyone is aware of the direction it is moving in and to make 
sure everyone is happy with that. Whether or not the full CMS goes ahead 
as SPMS 4, I'll end up developing myself. Purely because I want to test 
my own skills in places, and because I want the challenge.

Two other things that crossed my mind last week while I was away at uni, 
a standard document format for SPMS. Is everyone happy with SPMS' 
development documentation being created and released in rich text format 
(or possibly open office format?), I've already sent some stuff to two 
people who don't use MS Word, so they couldn't open word docs. Secondly, 
we need some sort of coding guidelines document, so everyone on the team 
submits code to a specified standard. I've got a draft of one thats been 
sitting on my HD for many moons, I just wondered if anyone else (Namely 
you Ed ;)) had one pre-written, or a prefered format to use.

~Dan

Fleet Admiral Sorac Dunar wrote:

>Well as you both know for reasons that are not yet public I plan to have
>a lot more time to simm coming up and I've already reactivated my crew
>and I'm up to 10 players now finally.
>
>With all that said I decided it was time to finish the consty website.
>It's still running on my own highly customized version of SPMS 1.x. So I
>sat down last night to start updating the look and feel of my site.
>
>Thats when I realized something. I really didn't want to have to
>manually change every page in my site. So I decided that I need a
>templating engine. I don't really want a complete CMS system, Just a
>basic templating engine like the one I wrote for TMFSv3. So I sat down
>to start working on adding it to the old branch.
>
>Then I realized something else. That I have completely forgotten some of
>the basics of PHP. In fact I've forgotten a lot more than most of our
>COs will ever know about PHP. I found even the basics of PHP difficult
>to remember. Faced with a few hours to brush up on PHP and SPMS I made a
>decision. That decision was Screw it I'm a java programmer and that's
>what My new site will be in.
>
>So I spent about 3 hours and I'm most of the way completed with a basic
>SPMS system that will run on the SPMS1 database completely written in
>java, using Struts and Tiles. Of course it'll be using JDBC, JavaMail
>and probably log4J before I'm finished.
>
>Ok, Now comes the question, Why? Why Rewrite what Dan is working on when
>very few people can or will use a java version. Because.
>
>Just Because.
>
>Ok it doesn't work on my 3 year old either. I'm going to do java because
>that is what I capable of maintaing at this point and I wanted to learn
>a bit more about Struts and I've now begun to learn about Tiles from the
>ground up. Also, as I've said from the beginning. SPMS was never started
>to be a big OSS project. It was my personal ships website. People asked
>for it and I gave it to them. I am now redoing my own website, It'll be
>all java. I'll make as compatible as possible with what Dan is working
>on, and I hope to have jSPMS final released when Dan releases SPMSv4 Final.
>
>I'll be using SF for CVS storage for the project. It just makes sense.
>It will be completely released under the ASF license since it will rely
>almost 100% on Apache and Jakarta projects.
>
>Anyway, at this point I have all the base templateing completed, and
>I'll be starting on the manifest, and the join form. First priority is
>to get them working with my current database first and then to get them
>working with the v4 DB that dan will be using (I'll work on a DB
>Conversion script from v1 to v4 at the same time, it is possible just
>tedious).
>
>Well that's it from me. I just wanted to let you guys know what the new
>repository was that you'll be seeing for our project.
>
>-Ed
>
>
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