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-- 
Riccardo Cohen

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Hello, 
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Hello, Josef.
I'm afraid that the project sharing is only a recursive operation that =
shares the files contained in the dir. And, unfortunately, I don't think =
it would be easy to change the behaviour, although Rob will confirm that =
better.
Albert.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Josef Gattermayer [Pepus]=20
  To: sou...@li...=20
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:36 PM
  Subject: [SourceJammer-users] how to automatically share new files?

  Hello,
      I've the following problem - when I share a directory, the =
directory is aviable from two localitions with all its subdirs and =
files. Thats fine. But when I add a new file into one localition it =
appears only there =3D> is not shown (shared) in the parent shared =
directory (like on both places). And I cannot force the users to click =
on SHARE everytime when adding a new file into the project :\.
  =20
  Just need a simply mirrored directory, lets say like when I share a =
windows directory under two different names.
  =20
  Is there any option to do it?
  =20
  Thank you,
      Josef

Hi, Josef.

Sorry. There's nothing like this in SJ. There isn't really a concept (behind the scenes, anyway)
of a shared folder in SJ. Only files are actually shared. I'm afraid you'll just have to keep
bugging people until they remember to share any files they add to that folder.

--Rob

--- "Josef Gattermayer [Pepus]" <pe...@po...> wrote:

> Hello,
>     I've the following problem - when I share a directory, the directory is aviable from two
> localitions with all its subdirs and files. Thats fine. But when I add a new file into one
> localition it appears only there => is not shown (shared) in the parent shared directory (like
> on both places). And I cannot force the users to click on SHARE everytime when adding a new file
> into the project :\.
> 
> Just need a simply mirrored directory, lets say like when I share a windows directory under two
> different names.
> 
> Is there any option to do it?
> 
> Thank you,
>     Josef

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--- James A Galbraith <Jam...@in...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm struggling with being able to connect to an archive on a remote 
> server.  The con command only accepts the user name, password, and 
> archive.  Can I somehow specify the server name/url in the archive 
> specificiation??
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
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> Battelle Energy Alliance (BEA)
> P.O. Box 1625
> Idaho Falls, ID  83415-3779
> Email: Jam...@in... 

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Hi, Riccardo.

I think what you are going to find when your team starts using SourceJammer (or whatever source
control system you choose) is that you are making a significant process change. Your developers
will have to change their habits no matter what system you adopt. Source control is more than just
a program that you use; it is a process and a mindset that you adopt.

One particular concept that I find helpful is to always think that the "real" or "official" copy
of any file is the one that resides inside of the source control system. When a developer
downloads or checks out a file from the source control system, they are really just making a copy.
The real file is always the one locked away inside the vcs.

Your developers are going to have to change their habits no matter what. They will have to get
used to checking out files before they work on them and then checking them back in when their
changes are complete. My opinion is that, in a single check out system like SourceJammer,
developers should avoid making changes to a file that another developer has checked out at all
costs. If another developer has checked out a file you need to work on, the best practice is to
just give the other developer a call or send him/her an email and say "Hey, you done with that
file yet?"

If your team has fewer than 10 people and you're code is reasonably well organized, this system
should work fine for you.

--Rob

--- Albert Moliner <amo...@ev...> wrote:

> Hello (and sorry for duplicating the email if you already belong to the users
> list).
> 
> Some more comments about it, although I agree very much with Stan views.
> 

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Hello,
    I've the following problem - when I share a directory, the directory =
is aviable from two localitions with all its subdirs and files. Thats =
fine. But when I add a new file into one localition it appears only =
there =3D> is not shown (shared) in the parent shared directory (like on =
both places). And I cannot force the users to click on SHARE everytime =
when adding a new file into the project :\.

Just need a simply mirrored directory, lets say like when I share a =
windows directory under two different names.

Is there any option to do it?

Thank you,
    Josef
Hello (and sorry for duplicating the email if you already belong to the users
list).

Some more comments about it, although I agree very much with Stan views.

Perhaps reconsidering how the team is organised would be a reasonable idea. Not
just to adapt to the way SJ works, of course, but because there are less
concurrency conflicts.
Anyway, perhaps labeling and branching can help you as well. You could use the
first one to flag operational versions and then check out every time someone
needs to modify a file. After the change, they can check it in so that the new
version is available for download to the tester. When a stable version is
produced, you would label it to distinguish it from the intermediate ones. The
branching can be used when you have different releases (eg 2.0, 2.1, etc.).

Let me not to extend too much in the details, as they would be tedious to read
if they don't suit you, but take a look at the help files about that (fingers
crossed hoping they are explained there! 8-)).

Albert.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Riccardo Cohen" <rc...@ar...>
Cc: <sou...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SourceJammer-users] simultaneous modification

> I have never used source control tools, so I may trust your opinion more than
mide :)
>
> The initial request comes from the fact that we currently do it without source
control. What's
> happening is that even if a big job is done on one class, someone may want to
try some minor
> changes, or correct a bug. In that case, a manual merge is done by the guy
that handle the checkout.
>
> If my files are locked, I can of course manually change the attributes to
"read/write" and correct
> the bug, then send by mail the file. Is that the good way ?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Stan Wong wrote:
>
> > Hi, Rob,
> >
> > I know that the issue of concurrent checkout has been
> > discussed several times before on this list.  Let me
> > re-voice my opinion that concurrent checkout is *not*
> > a desirable feature, at least for my work environment.
> >
> > If you added a site-wide option for concurrent
> > checkout with the default setting of "off", that would
> > be fine by me.  If that's doable then you can keep
> > everyone happy, including me ;-)
> >
> > Stan Wong
> >
> > --- Robert MacGrogan <rob...@ya...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>This is SourceJammer's main limitation as compared
> >>with other systems--no simultaneous checkouts.
> >>I intend to add this functionality in the future,
> >>but that will probably be a while.
> >>
> >>For now the best advice I can give is to try to
> >>avoid situations like that. Developer
> >>communication  and keeping files relatively small
> >>and focused is the way I avoid these types of
> >>conflicts.
> >>
> >>--Rob
> >>
> >>--- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>I found the work very confortable with source
> >>
> >>jammer.
> >>
> >>>I have just one problem: when one dev is working
> >>
> >>on a file, and another wants to test a little
> >>
> >>>thing
> >>>on the same file, how can you do that ?
> >>>Since the file is checked out by somebody else I
> >>
> >>cannot modify it.
> >>
> >>>What is the best attitude ?
> >>>Thanks
> >>>--
> >>>Riccardo Cohen
> >>>
> >>>Articque
> >>>Les Roches
> >>>37230 Fondettes
> >>>France
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Hi,

I'm struggling with being able to connect to an archive on a remote 
server.  The con command only accepts the user name, password, and 
archive.  Can I somehow specify the server name/url in the archive 
specificiation??

Thanks

Jim

===============================================================================
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Idaho National Laboratory (INL)
Battelle Energy Alliance (BEA)
P.O. Box 1625
Idaho Falls, ID  83415-3779
Email: Jam...@in... 
Hi, Riccardo,

Everyone with access to a SourceJammer archive can get
a read-only copy of a file.  When you want to edit a
file you "check out" the file which gives you
read/write priveleges to that file on your local hard
disk.  When you are finished making your edits,  you
"check in" the file to the SourceJammer archive, and
your "lock" on the file is removed.  If you try and
check out a file that it is already checked out you
will receive notification that it is checked out and
by whom.

Nothing in the above scheme prevents you from getting
a read-only copy of an archive, without checking out
any files, and making changes on your local hard disk,
say,  if you want to run some experiments.  SJ will
let you know that your local copy is out of sync with
the archive.  If you really want to save the changes
in the archive you will have to play a little game of
saving the changed file(s), ensuring that no one else
has the file checked out or made modifications in the
meantime, checking out the file, replacing the checked
out copy with the saved one and then checking your
changes back into the archive.  It sounds harder than
it really is.

The problem that I have with concurrent checkout is if
there are files that people tend to work on all the
time.  If two people are working on the same file at
the same time, the first one to check in their changes
wins.  The second person is stuck trying to figure out
how to merge their changes into the new file. 
Essentially they were working on an old copy.  Newer
CVS-type systems have tools to help you with this but
I still don't like them.

You will have to figure out how your group works, what
they like and what they're willing to put up with. 
I've been using SJ for the last 3-4 years and it still
suits me just fine.  Good luck.

Stan Wong

--- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:

> I have never used source control tools, so I may
> trust your opinion more than mide :)
> 
> The initial request comes from the fact that we
> currently do it without source control. What's 
> happening is that even if a big job is done on one
> class, someone may want to try some minor 
> changes, or correct a bug. In that case, a manual
> merge is done by the guy that handle the checkout.
> 
> If my files are locked, I can of course manually
> change the attributes to "read/write" and correct 
> the bug, then send by mail the file. Is that the
> good way ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Stan Wong wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Rob,
> > 
> > I know that the issue of concurrent checkout has
> been
> > discussed several times before on this list.  Let
> me
> > re-voice my opinion that concurrent checkout is
> *not*
> > a desirable feature, at least for my work
> environment.
> > 
> > If you added a site-wide option for concurrent
> > checkout with the default setting of "off", that
> would
> > be fine by me.  If that's doable then you can keep
> > everyone happy, including me ;-)
> > 
> > Stan Wong
> > 
> > --- Robert MacGrogan <rob...@ya...>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>This is SourceJammer's main limitation as compared
> >>with other systems--no simultaneous checkouts.
> >>I intend to add this functionality in the future,
> >>but that will probably be a while. 
> >>
> >>For now the best advice I can give is to try to
> >>avoid situations like that. Developer
> >>communication  and keeping files relatively small
> >>and focused is the way I avoid these types of
> >>conflicts. 
> >>
> >>--Rob
> >>
> >>--- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>I found the work very confortable with source
> >>
> >>jammer.
> >>
> >>>I have just one problem: when one dev is working
> >>
> >>on a file, and another wants to test a little
> >>
> >>>thing 
> >>>on the same file, how can you do that ?
> >>>Since the file is checked out by somebody else I
> >>
> >>cannot modify it.
> >>
> >>>What is the best attitude ?
> >>>Thanks
> >>>-- 
> >>>Riccardo Cohen
> >>>
> >>>Articque
> >>>Les Roches
> >>>37230 Fondettes
> >>>France
> >>>web = http://www.articque.com
> >>>tel: +33 02 47 49 90 49
> >>>fax: +33 02 47 49 91 49
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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I have never used source control tools, so I may trust your opinion more than mide :)

The initial request comes from the fact that we currently do it without source control. What's 
happening is that even if a big job is done on one class, someone may want to try some minor 
changes, or correct a bug. In that case, a manual merge is done by the guy that handle the checkout.

If my files are locked, I can of course manually change the attributes to "read/write" and correct 
the bug, then send by mail the file. Is that the good way ?

Thanks.

Stan Wong wrote:

> Hi, Rob,
> 
> I know that the issue of concurrent checkout has been
> discussed several times before on this list.  Let me
> re-voice my opinion that concurrent checkout is *not*
> a desirable feature, at least for my work environment.
> 
> If you added a site-wide option for concurrent
> checkout with the default setting of "off", that would
> be fine by me.  If that's doable then you can keep
> everyone happy, including me ;-)
> 
> Stan Wong
> 
> --- Robert MacGrogan <rob...@ya...>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>This is SourceJammer's main limitation as compared
>>with other systems--no simultaneous checkouts.
>>I intend to add this functionality in the future,
>>but that will probably be a while. 
>>
>>For now the best advice I can give is to try to
>>avoid situations like that. Developer
>>communication  and keeping files relatively small
>>and focused is the way I avoid these types of
>>conflicts. 
>>
>>--Rob
>>
>>--- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>I found the work very confortable with source
>>
>>jammer.
>>
>>>I have just one problem: when one dev is working
>>
>>on a file, and another wants to test a little
>>
>>>thing 
>>>on the same file, how can you do that ?
>>>Since the file is checked out by somebody else I
>>
>>cannot modify it.
>>
>>>What is the best attitude ?
>>>Thanks
>>>-- 
>>>Riccardo Cohen
>>>
>>>Articque
>>>Les Roches
>>>37230 Fondettes
>>>France
>>>web = http://www.articque.com
>>>tel: +33 02 47 49 90 49
>>>fax: +33 02 47 49 91 49
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>explore the latest in dual
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>>
>>hour event hosted by HP,
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>>
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Articque
Les Roches
37230 Fondettes
France
web = http://www.articque.com
tel: +33 02 47 49 90 49
fax: +33 02 47 49 91 49

Hi, Rob,

I know that the issue of concurrent checkout has been
discussed several times before on this list.  Let me
re-voice my opinion that concurrent checkout is *not*
a desirable feature, at least for my work environment.

If you added a site-wide option for concurrent
checkout with the default setting of "off", that would
be fine by me.  If that's doable then you can keep
everyone happy, including me ;-)

Stan Wong

--- Robert MacGrogan <rob...@ya...>
wrote:

> This is SourceJammer's main limitation as compared
> with other systems--no simultaneous checkouts.
> I intend to add this functionality in the future,
> but that will probably be a while. 
> 
> For now the best advice I can give is to try to
> avoid situations like that. Developer
> communication  and keeping files relatively small
> and focused is the way I avoid these types of
> conflicts. 
> 
> --Rob
> 
> --- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > I found the work very confortable with source
> jammer.
> > I have just one problem: when one dev is working
> on a file, and another wants to test a little
> > thing 
> > on the same file, how can you do that ?
> > Since the file is checked out by somebody else I
> cannot modify it.
> > What is the best attitude ?
> > Thanks
> > -- 
> > Riccardo Cohen
> > 
> > Articque
> > Les Roches
> > 37230 Fondettes
> > France
> > web = http://www.articque.com
> > tel: +33 02 47 49 90 49
> > fax: +33 02 47 49 91 49
> > 
> > 
> >
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This is SourceJammer's main limitation as compared with other systems--no simultaneous checkouts.
I intend to add this functionality in the future, but that will probably be a while. 

For now the best advice I can give is to try to avoid situations like that. Developer
communication  and keeping files relatively small and focused is the way I avoid these types of
conflicts. 

--Rob

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> Hi,
> I found the work very confortable with source jammer.
> I have just one problem: when one dev is working on a file, and another wants to test a little
> thing 
> on the same file, how can you do that ?
> Since the file is checked out by somebody else I cannot modify it.
> What is the best attitude ?
> Thanks
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Hi,
I found the work very confortable with source jammer.
I have just one problem: when one dev is working on a file, and another wants to test a little thing 
on the same file, how can you do that ?
Since the file is checked out by somebody else I cannot modify it.
What is the best attitude ?
Thanks
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France
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thats the point I missed ... thanks a lot.
I did not read carefully your quick start, I only read carefully the serv=
er install doc... Maybe you=20
could add a line about that in that page (something like : what next : us=
e gui client and type this=20
url) ?
I can now continue trying
thanks

Robert MacGrogan wrote:

> Make sure that you are using the correct URL. Should be
> http://localhost:8080/sourcejammer/servlet/rpcrouter assuming that your=
 server is running on the
> same machine as the client and that your servlet engine uses port 8080.
>=20
> --Rob
>=20
> --- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>>When I do make archive, I type my url and admin/admin, I have this empt=
y error (see image
>>joined)
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Make sure that you are using the correct URL. Should be
http://localhost:8080/sourcejammer/servlet/rpcrouter assuming that your server is running on the
same machine as the client and that your servlet engine uses port 8080.

--Rob

--- Riccardo Cohen <rc...@ar...> wrote:

> When I do make archive, I type my url and admin/admin, I have this empty error (see image
> joined)
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Thanks, Albert, for a terrific explanation.

--- Albert Moliner <amo...@ev...> wrote:

> 
> Robert has just sent a very good explanation on how SJ is typically set up in a network. I'll
> answer, as you ask, to your question with a short "yes" or "no" (with a "?" when I am not sure
> of having understood them 100%), but before that, let me add something.
> From your comments, I have the (perhaps wrong) impression that you believe SJ is a tool that
> does different things from what it really does. It is primarily meant as a versioning tool, just
> like Visual Source Safe or CVS (but far much better, of course ;-)), not as a network guardian
> or security provider or things like that. Versioning tools provoke wonderful "side effects" when
> properly used, like avoidance of collisions between concurrent changes by different people,
> activity monitoring, easiness of deployment, etc. But their "paradigm" is the existence of a
> repository of files that can be editted by some users. Rob's introductory help files (at the
> client install, I believe) provide a neat description of what SJ is and why it is helpful.
> So, it can be used to know who did some change in a file that turn it corrupted, but this is not
> its only aim.
> 
> As for your questions:
>   1.. No
>   2.. Yes and no
>   3.. No?
>   4.. No
>   5.. Yes ;-)
>   6.. Yes
>   7.. Yes
> 
> By the way, the users who can access a repository have nothing to do with the users in a LAN.
> The user management is local to the application.
> I hope a bit more light has been put about SJ,
> Albert.
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When I do make archive, I type my url and admin/admin, I have this empty error (see image joined)

Robert MacGrogan wrote:

> Ricardo,
> 
> It sounds like everything is working fine. You just haven't created your first archive yet. Go to
> Archive|Make Archive and fill in the fields in the dialog. Then add a connection to your archive
> using Connection|Connect. See the quickstart guide (http://www.sourcejammer.org/quickstart.html)
> for more detailed instructions.
> 
> --Rob
> 
> --- Albert Moliner <amo...@ev...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The truth is that I don't remember much about when or why these things may
>>happen. Once you get it running, you don't often deal with the instalation
>>process.
>>May it be that the SOAP calls are not ready in the server?
>>
>>All the administration (apart from the SOAP interfaces) is handable from the
>>client, there's no other console for it.
>>Sorry for not being able to help you much, I hope Rob can guess better than I
>>do.
>>Albert.
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Riccardo Cohen" <rc...@ar...>
>>To: <sou...@li...>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SourceJammer-users] begin admin
>>
>>
>>
>>>i tried other url, like sourcejammer/SysConfig (which reloads the xml config
>>
>>files), and other
>>
>>>servlet present in the web.xml, they are found but gives nothing.
>>>Is there any sourcejammer/Administration or else ?
>>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
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SOAP is used to communicate client and server.
To create a user, as an administrator you must do Archive > Manage Users...
Anyway, Rob (who is someone much more reliable than me) says that everything
looks correct, so forget about the SOAP stuff I've said before, as probably it
was alright from the start.
Albert.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Riccardo Cohen" <rc...@ar...>
To: <sou...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SourceJammer-users] begin admin

> sorry for these basic questions, but I lack some knowledge :
> - what's the use of soap, and what should I do with it ?
> - how do you create a user in the client interface ?
>

Robert has just sent a very good explanation on how SJ is typically set =
up in a network. I'll answer, as you ask, to your question with a short =
"yes" or "no" (with a "?" when I am not sure of having understood them =
100%), but before that, let me add something.
From your comments, I have the (perhaps wrong) impression that you =
believe SJ is a tool that does different things from what it really =
does. It is primarily meant as a versioning tool, just like Visual =
Source Safe or CVS (but far much better, of course ;-)), not as a =
network guardian or security provider or things like that. Versioning =
tools provoke wonderful "side effects" when properly used, like =
avoidance of collisions between concurrent changes by different people, =
activity monitoring, easiness of deployment, etc. But their "paradigm" =
is the existence of a repository of files that can be editted by some =
users. Rob's introductory help files (at the client install, I believe) =
provide a neat description of what SJ is and why it is helpful.
So, it can be used to know who did some change in a file that turn it =
corrupted, but this is not its only aim.

As for your questions:
  1.. No
  2.. Yes and no
  3.. No?
  4.. No
  5.. Yes ;-)
  6.. Yes
  7.. Yes

By the way, the users who can access a repository have nothing to do =
with the users in a LAN. The user management is local to the =
application.
I hope a bit more light has been put about SJ,
Albert.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Derek Gibson=20
  To: 'Albert Moliner'=20
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 2:35 PM
  Subject: RE: [SourceJammer-users] basic questions for sourcejammer

  Albert,

  =20

  I am extremely grateful for your prompt reply but I am now in a =
quandary and still confused. Please answer the following questions with =
a simple yes or no so I can get my head round all of this.=20

  =20

    1.. If  sourcejammer is loaded now can it identify a user in the =
PAST from the EXISTING server files?=20
    2.. If sourcejammer is loaded do all users in the future have to =
access files via sourcejammer?=20
    3.. Can sourcejammer monitor files remotely whereby users do NOT =
access the LAN via SJ?=20
    4.. Each user has a PC logon but not a password for the server. The =
LAN server access is authorized by the system administrator but all CAD =
designers have across the board access to all projects and all =
disciplines. Does this present a problem?=20
    5.. I need to clarify the terminology,=20
    6.. Server - computer where SJ server program resides (not =
necessarily the LAN server) ?=20
    7.. Client - computer where client program resides?=20
  =20

  I am sorry to make this rather a protracted question but my management =
needs to know the answers and I don't.

  =20

  Basically what we want is to be able to monitor file history without =
user access...is it possible with sourcejammer?

  =20

  Don't rush with a reply I wont be back at this computer until Saturday =
7-30am

  =20

  Thanks again

  =20

  Best Regards

  =20

  Derek G.

  =20

sorry for these basic questions, but I lack some knowledge :
- what's the use of soap, and what should I do with it ?
- how do you create a user in the client interface ?

Albert Moliner wrote:

> The truth is that I don't remember much about when or why these things may
> happen. Once you get it running, you don't often deal with the instalation
> process.
> May it be that the SOAP calls are not ready in the server?
> 
> All the administration (apart from the SOAP interfaces) is handable from the
> client, there's no other console for it.
> Sorry for not being able to help you much, I hope Rob can guess better than I
> do.
> Albert.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Riccardo Cohen" <rc...@ar...>
> To: <sou...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SourceJammer-users] begin admin
> 
> 
> 
>>i tried other url, like sourcejammer/SysConfig (which reloads the xml config
> 
> files), and other
> 
>>servlet present in the web.xml, they are found but gives nothing.
>>Is there any sourcejammer/Administration or else ?
>>Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Ricardo,

It sounds like everything is working fine. You just haven't created your first archive yet. Go to
Archive|Make Archive and fill in the fields in the dialog. Then add a connection to your archive
using Connection|Connect. See the quickstart guide (http://www.sourcejammer.org/quickstart.html)
for more detailed instructions.

--Rob

--- Albert Moliner <amo...@ev...> wrote:

> The truth is that I don't remember much about when or why these things may
> happen. Once you get it running, you don't often deal with the instalation
> process.
> May it be that the SOAP calls are not ready in the server?
> 
> All the administration (apart from the SOAP interfaces) is handable from the
> client, there's no other console for it.
> Sorry for not being able to help you much, I hope Rob can guess better than I
> do.
> Albert.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Riccardo Cohen" <rc...@ar...>
> To: <sou...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [SourceJammer-users] begin admin
> 
> 
> > i tried other url, like sourcejammer/SysConfig (which reloads the xml config
> files), and other
> > servlet present in the web.xml, they are found but gives nothing.
> > Is there any sourcejammer/Administration or else ?
> > Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi, Derek.

Typically, you should install the SJ server on a centralized machine that is visible to all of
your users, but to which you can apply security by only open specific ports, etc. All of your
users will need to install SJ clients on their local machines and use the clients to check files
in/out of the SJ archive on the central machine.

Theoretically, if your computer is visible across your network to all of your users you could
install the server on your computer.

One of the primary issues for you will be training, I think. You will have to train all of your
users to use SourceJammer and make sure that they never work on a document without first checking
the document out. And everyone will have to get used to the idea that the "official" copy of any
document is the one that resides in the SJ archive.

As for monitoring, yes, you can do this with SJ. There is a dialy log file that tells you who did
what to each file on that day. As of now there is not a decent tool for reading these log files,
though. You'll just have to open them up in a text editor (Notepad or something) and read them. 

I hope that between Albert and myself we've answered all of your questions. 

Thanks.

--Rob

--- Albert Moliner <amo...@ev...> wrote:

> Hello.
> I am not Rob, bit I'll try to help a bit.
> 
> If the problem is that someone is mischievingly modifying some files, you should separate the
> server from the client. Having them on the same machine is possible, but the "pirate" may change
> the files anywhere unless you configure the file permissions with a lot of care (which is more
> easily done in a Unix box than a Windows). If users can only access the server via SJ (whatever
> its OS is), and each one has a private password, you could know who has changed what by watching
> the file history details.
> 
> About the JRE/SDK versions, they must be explained somewhere, but 1.4.1 should be alright for
> both, JRE in the clients and SDK in the server (to run the Tomcat or application server).
> 
> I haven't answer all your questions, but I hope that it's been useful to consider having the
> server and clients in different computers, security being an issue for you.
> Albert.
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Derek Gibson 
>   To: sou...@li... 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:03 PM
>   Subject: [SourceJammer-users] basic questions for sourcejammer
> 
> 
>   Rob,
> 
>    
> 
>   I am currently working as a CADD Manager for a small Company in Abu Dhabi and recently have
> discovered anomalies in some documents (AUTOCAD drawings) where the current files are different
> to the last official issue to clients which could have serious consequences. The only software
> we use is basic AutoCAD 2002 with no third party add-ons. Upgrade to 2006 is imminent.
> 
>   I intend to use Sourcejammer as a tool for monitoring the use / abuse of files current held on
> a LAN server.
> 
>   I have assumed that once the system is installed I will be able to regularly monitor the
> access to files and identify the users and the dates and times of access.
> 
>   Operating System windows XP service pack 2
> 
>   I have read your Quick Start Guide and require a couple of clarifications.
> 
>    
> 
>   1. Can I use my PC for all monitoring activities?
> 
>   2. Can my PC be the server and the client ?
> 
>   3. Do I have to download ALL of the stipulated programs on my PC. 
> 
>   4. Do the programs have to be in separate directories or the same?
> 
>   5. Or does the server program have to be downloaded to the LAN server?
> 
>   4. You also mention both Java SDK and JRE which have to be downloaded. Which do I require on
> my PC and which on the server (if applicable).
> 
>    
> 
>   I have to admit that this is confusing me somewhat and the company management are, not
> surprisingly, reluctant to let me loose on the LAN server.
> 
>   I am sure the answers I require are simple but if you require any further technical
> information please contact me immediately.
> 
>    
> 
>   Best Regards,
> 
>    
> 
>   Derek C Gibson
> 
>   CADD Manager
> 
>   Penspen International Ltd.,
> 
>   Abu Dhabi
> 
>   United Arab Emirates.
> 
> 

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