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Re: [Slashcode-general] Please help me with this install problem.

[Cristian F. <cri...@gm...>]

The name of your slash site is in /etc/hosts?


On Dec 7, 2007 4:17 AM, Bill Walton <bil...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Hello.  I am trying to install slash and have worked through a few problems
> but I am currently stuck.  I see no errors in /var/log or anything else that
> might give me a clue what the problem is.  I've read most of the resources I
> can find...
>
> I added slashd.conf to the end of httpd.conf.  As it is the default apache
> page comes up.  If anyone has any pointers to web references that relate to
> this specific problem ?  I am running the right apache that was compiled
> with modperl etc.  I don'tget any visible errors.  I just want a working
> version of slash that I can play around with.. :(  I don't want to start
> hacking things and deal with broken things later.. I assume there is some
> trivial step I am missing out on.
>
> Here is some output I get which might help diagnose what step needs to be
> done.  Thanks in advance for any input.
>
>  perl -MSlash::Test=slash -le 'print Dumper $slashdb'
>
> STDERR -
> Error:Slash::Test:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Test.pm:171:determineCurrentSkin
> called but no skin found (even default)
> Which was called by:Slash::Test:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Test.pm:122
>
> STDOUT -
> $VAR1 = bless( {
>                  '_dbh' => bless( {}, 'DBIx::Password' ),
>                  '_dbh_prepare_method' => 'prepare_cached',
>                  '_querylog' => {
>                                   'db' => undef,
>                                   'enabled' => undef,
>                                   'next_check_time' => 1194162158,
>                                   'qlid' => 0
>                                 },
>                  '_skins_cache' => {},
>                  '_skins_cache_time' => 1194162150,
>                   'db_driver' => 'mysql',
>                  'virtual_user' => 'slash'
>                }, 'Slash::DB::Static::MySQL' );
>
> This is what happens when i try to start the slash daemon.  Pretty
> worthless, except perhaps the last line...
>
>  /etc/init.d/slash start
> Starting slashd slash: ok PID = 2838
> debian:/usr/local/slash# No directory, logging in with HOME=/
> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 7966.
> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 7969.
> Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 7978.
> Use of uninitialized value in scalar assignment at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 2726.
> Use of uninitialized value in hash element at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 2035.
> Use of uninitialized value in hash element at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 2038.
> Use of uninitialized value in string eq at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 1622.
> Use of uninitialized value in numeric ge (>=) at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 1675.
> Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 1690.
> Error:main:/usr/local/slash/sbin/slashd:76:determineCurrentSkin called but
> no skin found (even default)
> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 10100.
>  Use of uninitialized value in join or string at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/File/Spec/Unix.pm line 81.
> Use of uninitialized value in -d at /usr/share/perl/5.8/File/Path.pm line
> 159.
> fileparse(): need a valid pathname at /usr/share/perl/5.8/File/Path.pm line
> 160
>
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[Slashcode-general] Please help me with this install problem.

[Bill W. <bil...@gm...>]

Hello.  I am trying to install slash and have worked through a few problems
but I am currently stuck.  I see no errors in /var/log or anything else that
might give me a clue what the problem is.  I've read most of the resources I
can find...

I added slashd.conf to the end of httpd.conf.  As it is the default apache
page comes up.  If anyone has any pointers to web references that relate to
this specific problem ?  I am running the right apache that was compiled
with modperl etc.  I don'tget any visible errors.  I just want a working
version of slash that I can play around with.. :(  I don't want to start
hacking things and deal with broken things later.. I assume there is some
trivial step I am missing out on.

Here is some output I get which might help diagnose what step needs to be
done.  Thanks in advance for any input.

 perl -MSlash::Test=slash -le 'print Dumper $slashdb'

STDERR -
Error:Slash::Test:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Test.pm:171:determineCurrentSkin
called but no skin found (even default)
Which was called by:Slash::Test:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Test.pm:122

STDOUT -
$VAR1 = bless( {
                 '_dbh' => bless( {}, 'DBIx::Password' ),
                 '_dbh_prepare_method' => 'prepare_cached',
                 '_querylog' => {
                                  'db' => undef,
                                  'enabled' => undef,
                                  'next_check_time' => 1194162158,
                                  'qlid' => 0
                                },
                 '_skins_cache' => {},
                 '_skins_cache_time' => 1194162150,
                 'db_driver' => 'mysql',
                 'virtual_user' => 'slash'
               }, 'Slash::DB::Static::MySQL' );

This is what happens when i try to start the slash daemon.  Pretty
worthless, except perhaps the last line...

 /etc/init.d/slash start
Starting slashd slash: ok PID = 2838
debian:/usr/local/slash# No directory, logging in with HOME=/
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 7966.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 7969.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 7978.
Use of uninitialized value in scalar assignment at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 2726.
Use of uninitialized value in hash element at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 2035.
Use of uninitialized value in hash element at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 2038.
Use of uninitialized value in string eq at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 1622.
Use of uninitialized value in numeric ge (>=) at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 1675.
Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm line 1690.
Error:main:/usr/local/slash/sbin/slashd:76:determineCurrentSkin called but
no skin found (even default)
Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/DB/MySQL.pm line 10100.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/File/Spec/Unix.pm line 81.
Use of uninitialized value in -d at /usr/share/perl/5.8/File/Path.pm line
159.
fileparse(): need a valid pathname at /usr/share/perl/5.8/File/Path.pm line
160

Re: [Slashcode-general] Can't send emails

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

I said *may* be a newer version. I typically goto http://slashcode.cvs.sourceforge.net/slashcode/slash/ 
  and either use the dropdown to look through the latest tags or tail  
-10 http://slashcode.cvs.sourceforge.net/slashcode/slash/sql/mysql/upgrades?view=log

 From that end of file, it looks like T_2_5_0_184 was created on  
2007-11-14 and is the latest T-tag. Note, like the INSTALL says T-tags  
come out at intervals. A patch could have been applied to CVS-HEAD and  
you'd not know it until you upgraded to the next T-Tag. (Just an FYI,  
I don't think a patch has been committed yet, here's why):

Since you are running what's essentially the latest code, here's how  
I'd fix your problem:

kong:~ shane$ cd /usr/local/src/slash/current.untouched/
kong:current.untouched shane$ cvs update -dP
kong:current.untouched shane$ grep message_deliverymodes sql/mysql/ 
upgrades

DROP TABLE IF EXISTS message_deliverymodes;
CREATE TABLE message_deliverymodes (
INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (-1, 'No Messages', 0);
INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (0, 'E-mail', 1);
INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (1, 'Web', 2);
INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (2, 'IM', 4);
UPDATE message_deliverymodes SET name = 'AIM' WHERE code = 2;
INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes (code, name, bitvalue) VALUES (3,  
'Mobile', 8);


I'd take those inserts and apply them to your DB. then restart httpd  
and slashd.

That should take care of it for you.

It looks like whomever did the code for the AIM and/or MOBILE channels  
never updated the mysql dump in Slash::Messages

kong:current.untouched shane$ grep 'INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes'  
* -r
plugins/Messages/dump:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (-1,  
'No Messages', 0);
plugins/Messages/dump:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (0, 'E- 
mail', 1);
plugins/Messages/dump:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (1,  
'Web', 2);
sql/mysql/upgrades:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (-1, 'No  
Messages', 0);
sql/mysql/upgrades:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (0, 'E- 
mail', 1);
sql/mysql/upgrades:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (1, 'Web',  
2);
sql/mysql/upgrades:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes VALUES (2, 'IM',  
4);
sql/mysql/upgrades:INSERT INTO message_deliverymodes (code, name,  
bitvalue) VALUES (3, 'Mobile', 8);

feel free to file a bug or append something to the existing bug  
explaining all this for them (incase they don't see this email message)

  Shane



On Nov 29, 2007, at 4:19 AM, Cristian Falcas wrote:

> I mentioned the version in my second email: "I'm using T_2_5_0_184  
> revision."
>
> There is a newer version? Can you tell me how can I get it via cvs?
>
> Thank you.
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 8:12 PM, shane <sh...@lo...> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Cristian Falcas wrote:
>>
>>> I found that in Messages.pm I have a problem:
>>> $msg->{user}{prefs}{$msg->{code}} and
>>> $self->getMessageDeliveryByName("Mobile")) are both empty.
>>
>> Bug apparently filed for this back in August:
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1774945&group_id=4421&atid=104421
>>
>> I didn't see where you state what version of Slashcode you're using.
>> It's possible if you are using an older version, that a fix was
>> committed and the bug was never updated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Slashcode-general] Can't send emails

[Cristian F. <cri...@gm...>]

I mentioned the version in my second email: "I'm using T_2_5_0_184 revision."

There is a newer version? Can you tell me how can I get it via cvs?

Thank you.

On Nov 28, 2007 8:12 PM, shane <sh...@lo...> wrote:
>
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Cristian Falcas wrote:
>
> > I found that in Messages.pm I have a problem:
> > $msg->{user}{prefs}{$msg->{code}} and
> > $self->getMessageDeliveryByName("Mobile")) are both empty.
>
> Bug apparently filed for this back in August:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1774945&group_id=4421&atid=104421
>
> I didn't see where you state what version of Slashcode you're using.
> It's possible if you are using an older version, that a fix was
> committed and the bug was never updated.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Slashcode-general] Can't send emails

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Cristian Falcas wrote:

> I found that in Messages.pm I have a problem:
> $msg->{user}{prefs}{$msg->{code}} and
> $self->getMessageDeliveryByName("Mobile")) are both empty.

Bug apparently filed for this back in August:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1774945&group_id=4421&atid=104421

I didn't see where you state what version of Slashcode you're using.  
It's possible if you are using an older version, that a fix was  
committed and the bug was never updated.

Re: [Slashcode-general] Can't send emails

[Cristian F. <cri...@gm...>]

I never worked with perl, bu when I've listed $msg->{user} I can't see
any field {prefs}.
And $msg->{code} returns -1.

Everyone is dead here?

On Nov 27, 2007 4:19 PM, Cristian Falcas <cri...@gm...> wrote:
> I found that in Messages.pm I have a problem:
> $msg->{user}{prefs}{$msg->{code}} and
> $self->getMessageDeliveryByName("Mobile")) are both empty.
> So it's going inside the if statemen at line 460. If I put the line
> from else after this check, everything is OK, the email seems to be
> sent.
> Any idea why is this?
>
> Also in slashd.log I have a very high number of messages regarding
> "Use of uninitialized value in ..." from tasks/tags_udc.pl at
> different lines: 69, 73, 88, 91, 150, 151.
>
> Any ideas? Have I skipped some plugins?
>
> I'm using T_2_5_0_184 revision.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2007 3:35 AM, Cristian Falcas <cri...@gm...> wrote:
> > I installed slashcode with postfix. The Mail::Sendmail module managed
> > to send the test email and I can send emails from the localhost. The
> > problem I have is that slash does not send any email with the
> > passwords of the new users.
> >
> > I found this in the logs:
> > Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at
> > /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm line 460.
> > Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at
> > /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm line 460.
> > Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
> > /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Data.pm line 208.
> > Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
> > /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Email/Valid.pm line 59.
> > [Mon Nov 26 22:40:23 2007] [error]
> > /login.pl:Slash::Messages:/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm:551:Error
> > sending to '' for user 11: Invalid address
> > [Mon Nov 26 22:40:23 2007] [error] Which was called
> > by:Slash::Utility::System:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/System.pm:226\n
> >
> > Any idea for what could be the problem?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
>

Re: [Slashcode-general] Can't send emails

[Cristian F. <cri...@gm...>]

I found that in Messages.pm I have a problem:
$msg->{user}{prefs}{$msg->{code}} and
$self->getMessageDeliveryByName("Mobile")) are both empty.
So it's going inside the if statemen at line 460. If I put the line
from else after this check, everything is OK, the email seems to be
sent.
Any idea why is this?

Also in slashd.log I have a very high number of messages regarding
"Use of uninitialized value in ..." from tasks/tags_udc.pl at
different lines: 69, 73, 88, 91, 150, 151.

Any ideas? Have I skipped some plugins?

I'm using T_2_5_0_184 revision.

Thank you

On Nov 27, 2007 3:35 AM, Cristian Falcas <cri...@gm...> wrote:
> I installed slashcode with postfix. The Mail::Sendmail module managed
> to send the test email and I can send emails from the localhost. The
> problem I have is that slash does not send any email with the
> passwords of the new users.
>
> I found this in the logs:
> Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at
> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm line 460.
> Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at
> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm line 460.
> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Data.pm line 208.
> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Email/Valid.pm line 59.
> [Mon Nov 26 22:40:23 2007] [error]
> /login.pl:Slash::Messages:/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm:551:Error
> sending to '' for user 11: Invalid address
> [Mon Nov 26 22:40:23 2007] [error] Which was called
> by:Slash::Utility::System:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/System.pm:226\n
>
> Any idea for what could be the problem?
>
> Thank you
>

[Slashcode-general] Can't send emails

[Cristian F. <cri...@gm...>]

I installed slashcode with postfix. The Mail::Sendmail module managed
to send the test email and I can send emails from the localhost. The
problem I have is that slash does not send any email with the
passwords of the new users.

I found this in the logs:
Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm line 460.
Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm line 460.
Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/Data.pm line 208.
Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Email/Valid.pm line 59.
[Mon Nov 26 22:40:23 2007] [error]
/login.pl:Slash::Messages:/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Messages.pm:551:Error
sending to '' for user 11: Invalid address
[Mon Nov 26 22:40:23 2007] [error] Which was called
by:Slash::Utility::System:/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8/Slash/Utility/System.pm:226\n

Any idea for what could be the problem?

Thank you

[Slashcode-general] Running a slash site with two languages

[Alexandre L. <ale...@ec...>]

Hi all,


I'd like your advice and comments on the following. I'm part of a small 
team running a minor slashsite (slashgeo.org, about 20,000 daily hits). 
The content is in English. I meet someone from my community of practice 
which wants to run French content (with French user comments) on the 
same site. I'd like to know the feasibility of running both languages of 
the same slash instance. In the worst-case scenario, we could run a 
parallel site in French, but this has several drawbacks (including 
doubling configuration, doubling site administration, different user 
accounts (not good because French-speaking users may want to use their 
accounts on the English-speaking part of the site), etc).

If I setup a fr.slashgeo.org section-nexus, then I'll have an RSS feed 
for the stories in French. Good. But can section-nexus have their own 
daily newsletter without too much hacking? I'd clearly need two distinct 
newsletters for each language.

Some templates would require translation. Is there anything already 
built into the templates to manage multiple languages? Would it be 
possible to tie the translated templates to the "fr" section-nexus?

I understand that site-wide and topic searches will give results from 
both languages, but that's not a show-stopper to my eyes. We're not 
planning to have stories in one language translated into the other, both 
will have their own set of stories.

Is there something I forgot that would break our plan? :-) Any related 
advice?


Thanks a lot and have a great weekend!

Alex
-- 
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Environnement Canada / Environment Canada
Centre météorologique canadien / Canadian Meteorological Centre
Division de la réponse aux urgences environnementales /
Environmental Emergency Response Division
ale...@ec...

Re: [Slashcode-general] So Long And Thanks For All The Bits

[William S. L. I. <sc...@gu...>]

I'm not Blake, but I'm seeing a lot of people moving to Drupal because
it doesn't lock them into table hell like joomla and mambo do. Most of
the people I'm working with on projects like that need css and don't
need many of slash's features, so they tend to not want to look at it.

On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 11:02 -0400, Alexandre Leroux wrote:
> Hi Blake,
> 
> Out of curiosity, can you provide more info on why in your case "Drupal 
> is just a better fit"? The main reason why my small team chose Slash 
> instead of the numerous alternatives is because of the moderation 
> system. However, seeing the pace at which other CMS evolve and add 
> pertinent features, I'm sometimes wonder if we made the best choice for 
> our own project (this is even truer considering that even with thousands 
> of readers, we have almost no comments at all, thus the comment 
> moderation system is useless to us at the moment :-).
> 
> 
> Have fun with your site and its transformation Blake!
> 
> Alex :-)
> 
> http://slashgeo.org
> 
> 
> Blake Carver wrote:
> > Just wanted to say farewell to the Slashcoders. I've been runing
> > LISNews on Slashcode for about 5 years and I've decided to move on
> > over to Drupal. I think Drupal is just a better fit for the LISNews
> > audience.
> > 
> > Thanks to Shane for all the help and support over the years, and to
> > everyone else for the code.
> > 
> > -Blake
> > LISNews.org
> > 
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Re: [Slashcode-general] So Long And Thanks For All The Bits

[Eric D. <eri...@ja...>]

There have been comparisons of these things, but Slashcode is not 
included in them. Google CMS comparison.

Larson, Timothy E. wrote:
> Blake Carver <> wrote:
>   
>> Just wanted to say farewell to the Slashcoders. I've been runing
>> LISNews on Slashcode for about 5 years and I've decided to move on
>> over to Drupal. I think Drupal is just a better fit for the LISNews
>> audience.   
>>     
>
> That raises a good question.  Where can one find a good comparison or
> review of different discussion/blog engines?  Or whatever the heck you
> call these things... 
>
> Tim
>   

Re: [Slashcode-general] So Long And Thanks For All The Bits

[Alexandre L. <ale...@ec...>]

Hi Blake,

Out of curiosity, can you provide more info on why in your case "Drupal 
is just a better fit"? The main reason why my small team chose Slash 
instead of the numerous alternatives is because of the moderation 
system. However, seeing the pace at which other CMS evolve and add 
pertinent features, I'm sometimes wonder if we made the best choice for 
our own project (this is even truer considering that even with thousands 
of readers, we have almost no comments at all, thus the comment 
moderation system is useless to us at the moment :-).


Have fun with your site and its transformation Blake!

Alex :-)

http://slashgeo.org


Blake Carver wrote:
> Just wanted to say farewell to the Slashcoders. I've been runing
> LISNews on Slashcode for about 5 years and I've decided to move on
> over to Drupal. I think Drupal is just a better fit for the LISNews
> audience.
> 
> Thanks to Shane for all the help and support over the years, and to
> everyone else for the code.
> 
> -Blake
> LISNews.org
> 
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Division de la réponse aux urgences environnementales /
Environmental Emergency Response Division
ale...@ec...

Re: [Slashcode-general] So Long And Thanks For All The Bits

[Larson, T. E. <TEL...@we...>]

Blake Carver <> wrote:
> Just wanted to say farewell to the Slashcoders. I've been runing
> LISNews on Slashcode for about 5 years and I've decided to move on
> over to Drupal. I think Drupal is just a better fit for the LISNews
> audience.  =20

That raises a good question.  Where can one find a good comparison or
review of different discussion/blog engines?  Or whatever the heck you
call these things...=20

Tim
--=20
Tim Larson        AMT2 Unix Systems Administrator
    InterCall, a division of West Corporation

               Eschew obfuscation!

[Slashcode-general] So Long And Thanks For All The Bits

[Blake C. <li...@li...>]

Just wanted to say farewell to the Slashcoders. I've been runing
LISNews on Slashcode for about 5 years and I've decided to move on
over to Drupal. I think Drupal is just a better fit for the LISNews
audience.

Thanks to Shane for all the help and support over the years, and to
everyone else for the code.

-Blake
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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[Craig H. <cra...@go...>]

Thanks for all the help guys. I've got mod_perl, Apache and the Slash CPAN
Bundle installed (I think anyway), I already had MySQL 5 on that machine.
The GCC problem was fixed by installing the default Developer Tools
installation in addition to just GCC. I'll give the Slash install a try
tonight.

Cheers,
Craig


On 26/09/2007, Chris Nandor <pu...@sl...> wrote:
>
> Regarding Slash on Mac OS X, I do all my development on Mac OS X too
> (currently 10.4.10).  I've not installed it in a long time, though.
>
> Also worthy of note: I am running Slash using PPC builds of MySQL, Apache,
> perl, etc. on an Intel MacBook Pro right now.  Works great.  (It's a new
> upgrade for me, and I am waiting for perl 5.10, due any day now, before
> upgrading Slash to x86.)
>
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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[Chris N. <pu...@sl...>]

Regarding Slash on Mac OS X, I do all my development on Mac OS X too
(currently 10.4.10).  I've not installed it in a long time, though.

Also worthy of note: I am running Slash using PPC builds of MySQL, Apache,
perl, etc. on an Intel MacBook Pro right now.  Works great.  (It's a new
upgrade for me, and I am waiting for perl 5.10, due any day now, before
upgrading Slash to x86.)

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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[W. S. L. I. <sc...@gu...>]

Did you make sure the path to it is in your path variable?

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Craig Hand" <cra...@go...>
Date: Tuesday, Sep 25, 2007 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger
To: sla...@li...

OK, I'm getting there, however Apache comes up with an error during
configuration:

Error: could not find any of these C compilers
 anywhere in your PATH:  gcc cc acc c89

I tried installing GCC with Fink, however it still came up and after some Googling I installed GCC from the Apple Developer Tools. Still no dice however.

On 25/09/2007, Jamie McCarthy <ja...@mc...> wrote:

> I generally agree with Shane on this (except the advertisement part
 which I officially express no opinion on).  Upgrading beyond 2.2.6
 is hard;  once you are beyond 2.2.6 it's easy if you take your time
 and read carefully.
 --
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 http://mccarthy.vg/
   ja...@mc...

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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger"Craig Hand" <cra...@go...>To: sla...@li...

Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[Craig H. <cra...@go...>]

OK, I'm getting there, however Apache comes up with an error during
configuration:

Error: could not find any of these C compilers
 anywhere in your PATH:  gcc cc acc c89

I tried installing GCC with Fink, however it still came up and after some
Googling I installed GCC from the Apple Developer Tools. Still no dice
however.

On 25/09/2007, Jamie McCarthy <ja...@mc...> wrote:
>
> I generally agree with Shane on this (except the advertisement part
> which I officially express no opinion on).  Upgrading beyond 2.2.6
> is hard;  once you are beyond 2.2.6 it's easy if you take your time
> and read carefully.
> --
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> http://mccarthy.vg/
>   ja...@mc...
>
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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[Jamie M. <ja...@mc...>]

I generally agree with Shane on this (except the advertisement part
which I officially express no opinion on).  Upgrading beyond 2.2.6
is hard;  once you are beyond 2.2.6 it's easy if you take your time
and read carefully.
--=20
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  ja...@mc...

Re: [Slashcode-general] Seconds_Behind_Master patch

[Jamie M. <ja...@mc...>]

sh...@lo... (shane) writes:

> My thinking is create a var that controls the behavior, it's
> default being "use old method". Then write the new code, test,
> diff, submit patch.

I'd prefer it to examine the DB on startup and automatically
use the new behavior if available, on a slave-by-slave basis.
Note that SELECT VERSION() returns cruft in the string, e.g. my
MySQL returns "5.0.22-Debian_0ubuntu6.06.3-log", but I think
/^([\d.]+)/ is a reliable version number.
--=20
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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

While this thread is probably OT (or minimally OT for OSX Install on  
Tiger thread) I'll chime in.

I don't think updating Slashcode is difficult. Yesterday we just up'd  
from _169 to _175, 2 systems, 2 sets of code, in about a half an hour  
yesterday. Most of that was just double-triple checking for errors  
once the new version was installed/removed/installed on a dev system.

What's a PITA, and admittedly so, is for the common person to attempt  
to upgrade from Slashcode v2.2.6 to current-cvs/T-Tag. There no  
"upgrademe.pl" script to run that "just does it". It's not that there  
aren't instructions on how to do the update. There are, in the  
INSTALL. It's not that those instructions don't work (they do).  
People would have to read them, and then _do them_. For people who  
have sites hosted by a slash-hosting company, most of those are  
2.2.6, and most don't want to pay the man-hours to get everything  
upgraded. So they still run 2.2.6. Which wasn't css-based, and people  
went and modified/hacked the heck out of the templates to get css in  
there. So each of your customers templates are so wacked that  
updating them to CSS would either force the ISP to pay their guys to  
port the  customizations (ha, ya, that'll happen) or you're forcing  
your customer to port their changes to CSS by XX date, which would  
more then likely be a rather painful process.

But  if you know what you're doing, are familiar w/ the upgrade  
process, etc. It's not bad. I've upgraded probably 10 or 15  
customer's websites from 2.2.6 to current, and each probably averaged  
a little over an hour of time.

If you do the upgrade to a later version that's css-ified, updates  
are then cake from that point. And most of the OSTG updates that come  
down the pipe are internal, or the more internal templates, so your  
custom css isn't messed with. Then you get the added functionality of  
the Instant Messenger updates, Discussion2, Ajax, tags, the Firehose,  
and more.

<advertisement>
FWIW, I do upgrade services and slash-hosting. If anyone's  
interested, email me off-list.
</advertisement>

  Shane



On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Craig Hand wrote:

> I've had a look at PostNuke, however I didn't manage to find a  
> comparable moderation system, is there an extension that does  
> anything similar to Slash?
>
> On 25/09/2007, Eric Dannewitz <eri...@ja...> wrote:
> I don't really think you looked enough. PHP Nuke would be one.
>
> I loved slash, and ran it for years, but it really is a pain to run  
> and
> update.
>
> Craig Hand wrote:
> > For example? I've been through all the alternatives and they all  
> have
> > problems. Either they don't do what Slash does, or they do but only
> > with a lot of modification, or they do and have similar installation
> > issues. While I'd love to use something easy to install that runs on
> > shared hosting, I haven't come across anything that will do this  
> that
> > has a comment/moderation system as good as Slash. If there is
> > something I've missed, do tell!
> >
>
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[Slashcode-general] Seconds_Behind_Master patch

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

Regarding:

http://slashcode.cvs.sourceforge.net/slashcode/slash/themes/slashcode/ 
tasks/balance_readers.pl?revision=1.16&view=markup

		# XXX This code needs to be updated anyway to use the
		# simpler "Seconds_Behind_Master" from "SHOW SLAVE STATUS"
		# where available.  I'm not sure what version that field
		# was added (between 4.0.12 and 5.0.26 is all I know) but
		# at some point the simpler algorithm should be added and
		# this kludgy algorithm either removed or used as a backup
		# for older versions.

We would like to write and submit a patch for this. However, we'd  
like feedback regarding "how OSTG would want this to work".

My thinking is create a var that controls the behavior, it's default  
being "use old method". Then write the new code, test, diff, submit  
patch.

Should be pretty simple. We were having timesync issues with our db's  
(unrelated to slash) however the slashcode jabber daemon was spouting  
off that some were behind ie

lag 21.8 bog  0.0 - it_read2

However, when we'd exec a 'show slave status the  
'Seconds_Behind_Master' was always zero. So they weren't behind. This  
situation caused us enough grief that I've got it in me to write a  
patch.

Oh, and we fixed the timesync issues, and because of that the  
slashcode jabber daemon says all DB's are fine. Finally ;) But I  
still would see the code rather use Seconds_Behind_Master.

Thanks,
  Shane

Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[shane <sh...@lo...>]

I doubt you can use a binary. And besides, if you were going to use a  
binary, what'd be the point of not using the binary that's already  
built into the system?

Generally I put the latest mod_perl, apache, mysql in /usr/local/src  
and untar/gz them all. Then I install Apache, bare, and make sure  
that works.

Then do something like this (see the INSTALL for more specifics) to  
build Apache with mod_perl and all the goodies such that slash likes  
it and I can play with things like gzip/relocate/rewrite to emulate  
production tests/code:

USE_APACI=1 ./configure \
--activate-module=src/modules/extra/mod_relocate.c  \
--activate-module=src/modules/extra/mod_gzip.c  \
--activate-module=src/modules/perl/libperl.a  \
--enable-module=so  \
--enable-module=alias \
--enable-module=rewrite  \
--disable-module=info  \
--disable-rule=EXPAT  \
--disable-module=userdir \
--disable-module=status

then

perl Makefile.PL APACHE_SRC=/usr/local/src/apache_1.3.37 DO_HTTPD=1 \
USE_APACI=1 PERL_MARK_WHERE=1 EVERYTHING=1 \
APACHE_PREFIX=/usr/local/apache

As to what you'd have to grab via fink. I don't know offhand.  
Whenever CPAN can't install a module, I drop to a CPAN shell and  
attempt the module install by hand. That generally shows/tells you if  
it's missing any libraries it needs. I then open up another term  
window, fire up fink and install that. Then hop back to CPAN and perl  
Makefile.PL && install etc etc.

It can take a little bit of time. But once all the requirements are  
in place it's a snap.

  Shane

On Sep 25, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Craig Hand wrote:

> Thanks Shane, I'll give it another go tonight. I have a couple of  
> questions though:
>
> If I'm installing a seperate instance of Apache from the default  
> one, can I use the binary or will I have to install it with make  
> install, and will it include mod_perl?
>
> Is there anything that I definately need to get via fink that's not  
> mentioned in the Slash install file?
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
> On 25/09/2007, shane <sh...@lo...> wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Craig Hand wrote:
>
>> I've found a couple of stories on slashcode.com regarding Slash on  
>> OSX, however nothing recent and I was wondering if the situation  
>> has changed any with Tiger (and indeed perhaps Leopard). For  
>> example, while somepody mentioned a good guide to installing  
>> mod_perl for OSX, AFAIK it was written around four years ago, and  
>> a lot has changed since then. Unlike back in the day, the likes of  
>> PHP4 and mod_perl can now be enabled in OSX simply by uncommenting  
>> them in httpd.conf, and MySQL (as well as PHP5) can be installed  
>> with a friendly binary.
>>
>> As someone who's looking to install Slash on Tiger, do any of  
>> these developments make things any more straightforward or does  
>> Slash still require everything to be built from scratch? If it's  
>> the latter, does anyone have any pointers for someone who's not  
>> afraid of the command line but a bit of a greenhorn when it comes  
>> to the likes of apt-get and make? Also, how does the OSX install  
>> process differ from the Linux one?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> I do virtually all of my mod_perl/slashcode development on OSX  
> machines. Typically, I don't replace the existing perl, I keep it.  
> I install MySQL v5.x via one of the MySQL Installer Packages from  
> mysql.com. I'll use fink or one of the other source code repo's to  
> install some of the "extras" (ie GD, libreq, whatever) that don't  
> come with the perl bundle Bundle::Slash (or, that perl packages w/ 
> in that bundle require).
>
>
> I do keep the stock Apache installed - but not to run slash. I  
> install Apache 1.3.x from tarball and keep it in /usr/local/slash.  
> It's not that you probably couldn't try and use the stock Apache,  
> but I typically use that for other code development. It's easier  
> for me if they are completely separate. And that way I can match  
> the version of the tarball w/ what we are running in production at  
> any given time from any given system, and I don't have to worry  
> about messing with the stock Apache wrt Apple Updates (if any).
>
>
> As long as you follow the INSTALL documentation (I recommend  
> setting up CPAN as it says, because it makes the install of  
> Bundle::Slash _far_ easier) you're good to go.
>
>
> Once you have all the required software that slash needs installed,  
> installation is no different from a linux box. Just 'make install'.
>
>
> If you do use the stock Apache, I would love to hear back from you  
> as to how it goes and what you had to do to make it work, if anything.
>
>
>  Shane
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[Craig H. <cra...@go...>]

I've had a look at PostNuke, however I didn't manage to find a comparable
moderation system, is there an extension that does anything similar to
Slash?

On 25/09/2007, Eric Dannewitz <eri...@ja...> wrote:
>
> I don't really think you looked enough. PHP Nuke would be one.
>
> I loved slash, and ran it for years, but it really is a pain to run and
> update.
>
> Craig Hand wrote:
> > For example? I've been through all the alternatives and they all have
> > problems. Either they don't do what Slash does, or they do but only
> > with a lot of modification, or they do and have similar installation
> > issues. While I'd love to use something easy to install that runs on
> > shared hosting, I haven't come across anything that will do this that
> > has a comment/moderation system as good as Slash. If there is
> > something I've missed, do tell!
> >
>
>

Re: [Slashcode-general] OSX Installation Revisited - Slash on Tiger

[Craig H. <cra...@go...>]

For example? I've been through all the alternatives and they all have
problems. Either they don't do what Slash does, or they do but only with a
lot of modification, or they do and have similar installation issues. While
I'd love to use something easy to install that runs on shared hosting, I
haven't come across anything that will do this that has a comment/moderation
system as good as Slash. If there is something I've missed, do tell!

On 25/09/2007, Eric Dannewitz <eri...@ja...> wrote:
>
> Why would you even want to install slash when there are so many other
> great alternatives out there?
>
> Craig Hand wrote:
> > I've found a couple of stories on slashcode.com
> > <http://slashcode.com/> regarding Slash on OSX, however nothing recent
> > and I was wondering if the situation has changed any with Tiger (and
> > indeed perhaps Leopard). For example, while somepody mentioned a good
> > guide to installing mod_perl for OSX, AFAIK it was written around four
> > years ago, and a lot has changed since then. Unlike back in the day,
> > the likes of PHP4 and mod_perl can now be enabled in OSX simply by
> > uncommenting them in httpd.conf, and MySQL (as well as PHP5) can be
> > installed with a friendly binary.
> >
> > As someone who's looking to install Slash on Tiger, do any of these
> > developments make things any more straightforward or does Slash still
> > require everything to be built from scratch? If it's the latter, does
> > anyone have any pointers for someone who's not afraid of the command
> > line but a bit of a greenhorn when it comes to the likes of apt-get
> > and make? Also, how does the OSX install process differ from the Linux
> > one?
> >
> > Thanks!
>