From: Rolf S. <rol...@al...> - 2009-01-27 17:39:53
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Hi, will try to answer last posts later tonite, regards, Rolf Am 27.01.2009 um 16:14 schrieb Christiaan Hofman: > So I argued that Skim cannot save these tags, and therefore also > cannot edit them. Therefore I really don't see much reason for Skim > to support these tags. Certainly I don't think it weighs against > compromising the UI in the notes pane. So why would you think it'd > be useful? > > Christiaan > > On 25 Jan 2009, at 9:00 PM, Rhet Turnbull wrote: > >> >have serious unexpected results. E.g. any change to the tags >> outside Skim (e.g. by >> I certainly see how this could be a problem. I'd be willing to live >> with it but it might bite some users. Would you consider read-only >> display in Skim, e.g. in a Get Info panel or better yet, the notes >> drawer? I think the more developers adopt a common metadata >> standard, the better! >> Regards, >> Rhet >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Christiaan Hofman <cmh...@gm... >> > wrote: >> >> On 25 Jan 2009, at 4:53 PM, Rhet Turnbull wrote: >> >>> The developers behind Yep & Leap (two excellent apps for tagging/ >>> organzing PDFs and other files) have released an open source >>> tagging framework for Mac based on extended attributes called Open >>> Meta. I believe this solves many of the problems inherent in the >>> various tagging applications on the Mac. As a heavy user of both >>> Yep and Skim, I would *love* to see Skim add integrated support >>> for Open Meta tags. The ability to view tags as well as modify >>> them in Skim would be helpful. This could be accomplished with >>> applescripts from Skim but an integrated approach would be much >>> nicer and the fact that they use extended attributes should play >>> nicely with Skim's architecture. The code is available and is >>> released under Apache license. Any thoughts? >>> >>> Yep & Leap: http://www.yepthat.com/ >>> Open Meta code: http://code.google.com/p/openmeta/ >>> Open Meta manifesto: OpenMeta.pdf >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rhet >> >> Basic support for these tags would indeed be rather easy as Skim >> already does the hard part of accessing EAs. However, I doubt >> whether it's a good idea to do this. There's a fundamental >> difference between Yep/Leap and Skim: the former manages a bunch of >> files, and does not own the file data in any way (it only owns >> references to the files), while Skim edits the files, and owns the >> data for the file in its data model. What this means is that on an >> edit of the tags, Yep/Leap can directly change the metadata of the >> file, while in Skim you'd only edit the data in Skim's memory >> space. In Skim, the metadata would be written to file only when the >> document is saved, and it's read only when Skim opens or reverts >> the document. I hope you see the difference. this could have >> serious unexpected results. E.g. any change to the tags outside >> Skim (e.g. by Yep) while the PDF is open in Skim will be lost when >> Skim saves the PDF. If you're not aware that Skim manages these >> tags, this would lead to unexpected data loss. Is this acceptable? >> I doubt it. >> >> Christiaan >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by: > SourcForge Community > SourceForge wants to tell your story. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword_______________________________________________ > Skim-app-users mailing list > Ski...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/skim-app-users -- Rolf Schmolling M.A. Historian, Rolf.Schmolling@Alumni.TU-Berlin.DE http://rolf_schmolling.macbay.de/ |