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[ruby-gnome2-devel-en] gtk2 on cygwin

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

Does anyone try Ruby-GNOME2 on Cygwin?

Sakai-san made binaries of gtk2 and ruby-gnome2.
glib, atk, pango, gtk and ruby-gnome2 is available.

See http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~s01397ms/cygwin/index.html.en

Enjoy!

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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:16:03 +0200
Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:

> Hello
> I am not an expert an gtk and glib but I think your choice was a good one.
> seperating it into many packages migth turn out to be confusing
> 
> one suggestion when ruby-gnome2 is stable.
> release two packages
> 
> - one complete package with all the gnome stuff
> - one package only with gtk2 and glib2
> 
> many users do not want to use gnome because it is not portable to windows

Agreed.
I'll release two packages as you say.

> so, when you make a package gtk2 and glib2 and the installation process
> can install both it is easy for the users and nobody has to worry about 
> gobject and all the stuff
> 
> so I think it is good the way you did it.

Thanks.

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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Markus J. <mj...@we...>]

Hello
I am not an expert an gtk and glib but I think your choice was a good one.
seperating it into many packages migth turn out to be confusing

one suggestion when ruby-gnome2 is stable.
release two packages

- one complete package with all the gnome stuff
- one package only with gtk2 and glib2

many users do not want to use gnome because it is not portable to windows

so, when you make a package gtk2 and glib2 and the installation process
can install both it is easy for the users and nobody has to worry about 
gobject and all the stuff

so I think it is good the way you did it.

markus


On Sunday 15 September 2002 14:03, Masao Mutoh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:31:32 +0200
>
> Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:
> > just on more question for my understanding.
> > why is glib2 needed. I thought this has only some convenient types
> > and memory routines for C programmers.
> > why is this needed for ruby??
> > just curious!
>
> Hmm ...
>
> glib package(not ruby) includes glib, gmodule, gobject, gthread.
>
> I think we do not need to implement glib.
> Because almost of the functions will not use with Ruby.
>
> But we need gobject and some other functions in glib package.
> Especially GObject <-> Ruby conversion is very important part of
> Ruby-GNOME2.
>
> At first, I thought separated 'glib' and 'gobject',
> but it became to overdo, it was enough one library.
> So I decided this to use here as glib package name.
>
> And I think other utility functions which will be used whole of
> Ruby-GNOME2 define in Ruby/GLib.
> It makes easy to implement Ruby/GTK and other library which support
> GType system.
>
> But I read your comment, it may be better to separate 'glib',
> 'gobject', and utilty functions ...
>
> Any comments?

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in...@mj...
The road goes ever on and on - Bilbo Baggins

Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:31:32 +0200
Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:

> just on more question for my understanding.
> why is glib2 needed. I thought this has only some convenient types
> and memory routines for C programmers.
> why is this needed for ruby??
> just curious!

Hmm ... 

glib package(not ruby) includes glib, gmodule, gobject, gthread.

I think we do not need to implement glib.
Because almost of the functions will not use with Ruby.

But we need gobject and some other functions in glib package.
Especially GObject <-> Ruby conversion is very important part of 
Ruby-GNOME2.

At first, I thought separated 'glib' and 'gobject',
but it became to overdo, it was enough one library.
So I decided this to use here as glib package name.

And I think other utility functions which will be used whole of 
Ruby-GNOME2 define in Ruby/GLib.
It makes easy to implement Ruby/GTK and other library which support 
GType system.

But I read your comment, it may be better to separate 'glib', 
'gobject', and utilty functions ...

Any comments?

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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Markus J. <mj...@we...>]

thanks 
now it works.

just on more question for my understanding.
why is glib2 needed. I thought this has only some convenient types
and memory routines for C programmers.
why is this needed for ruby??
just curious!

markus


On Sunday 15 September 2002 12:51, Masao Mutoh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:24:15 +0200
>
> Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > thanks, but there are still problems.
> > now I can load it into irb but running the samples still leads to an
> > error
>
> cd ruby-gnome2/glib
> $ruby extconf.rb
> $make
> (su)
> #make install
>
> $cd ../gtk2
> $ruby extconf.rb
> $make
> (su)
> #make install
> #cp lib/gtk.rb /usr/lib/ruby/1.7/.  #-> You use ruby 1.7
> #cp lib/gtk.rb /usr/lib/ruby/1.6/.  #-> You use ruby 1.6
>
> $cd sample
> $ ruby calendar.rb
>
> > ruby -Isrc sample/*.rb
>
> -Isrc can't use here. Documents have not update yet. Sorry.
>
> Cheers,

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in...@mj...
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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:24:15 +0200
Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:

> Hello
> 
> thanks, but there are still problems.
> now I can load it into irb but running the samples still leads to an error

cd ruby-gnome2/glib
$ruby extconf.rb
$make
(su)
#make install

$cd ../gtk2
$ruby extconf.rb
$make
(su)
#make install
#cp lib/gtk.rb /usr/lib/ruby/1.7/.  #-> You use ruby 1.7
#cp lib/gtk.rb /usr/lib/ruby/1.6/.  #-> You use ruby 1.6

$cd sample
$ ruby calendar.rb


> ruby -Isrc sample/*.rb

-Isrc can't use here. Documents have not update yet. Sorry.

Cheers,
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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Markus J. <mj...@we...>]

Hello

thanks, but there are still problems.
now I can load it into irb but running the samples still leads to an error


irb(main):001:0> require "glib2"
true
irb(main):002:0> require "gtk2"
true
irb(main):003:0>


ruby -Isrc sample/*.rb
sample/calendar.rb:1:in `require': src/gtk2.so: undefined symbol: id_relatives 
- src/gtk2.so (LoadError)
        from sample/calendar.rb:1



anything else that must be installed?


markus






On Sunday 15 September 2002 06:04, Masao Mutoh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Oops, I did not say a most important thing ...
>
> Did you install Ruby/GLib2?
> Ruby/GTK requires Ruby/GLib2.
> #Ruby/GLib2 is ruby-gnome2/gnome/glib/ in CVS.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:15:28 +0200
>
> Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:
> > hello
> > I just downloaded ruby-gnome from cvs and installed the gtk+ part
> >
> > I changed to the gtk directory and typed
> > ruby extconf.rb
> > make
> > sudo make install
> >
> > and everything was fine
> >
> > but when I type
> > ruby -Isrc sample/*.rb
> > or run any of the examples programms or use irb and type require "gtk"
> > I get this error:
> >
> > irb(main):001:0> require 'gtk2'
> > LoadError: /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/gtk2.so: undefined symbol:
> > id_relatives - /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/gtk2.so
> >         from (irb):1:in `require'
> >         from (irb):1
> >
> >
> > my system:
> > Red Hat 7.3
> > ruby 1.6.7 (2002-03-01) [i686-linux]
> > gtk2-devel-2.0.2-4  (rpm version)
> > gtk2-2.0.2-4 (rpm version)
> >
> > the gtk2 rpms are those which come with the Red Hat 7.3 cd's
> >
> > any hints on what to do??
> >
> > by the way: thanks for your work. I like gtk very much
> > and together with Ruby this will be a powerful tool
> >
> > regards
> > markus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Markus Jais
> > http://www.mjais.de
> > in...@mj...
> > The road goes ever on and on - Bilbo Baggins
> >
> >
> >
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in...@mj...
The road goes ever on and on - Bilbo Baggins

Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

Oops, I did not say a most important thing ... 

Did you install Ruby/GLib2?
Ruby/GTK requires Ruby/GLib2.
#Ruby/GLib2 is ruby-gnome2/gnome/glib/ in CVS.

Cheers,

On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:15:28 +0200
Markus Jais <mj...@we...> wrote:

> hello
> I just downloaded ruby-gnome from cvs and installed the gtk+ part
> 
> I changed to the gtk directory and typed
> ruby extconf.rb
> make
> sudo make install
> 
> and everything was fine
> 
> but when I type
> ruby -Isrc sample/*.rb
> or run any of the examples programms or use irb and type require "gtk"
> I get this error:
> 
> irb(main):001:0> require 'gtk2'
> LoadError: /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/gtk2.so: undefined symbol: 
> id_relatives - /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/gtk2.so
>         from (irb):1:in `require'
>         from (irb):1
> 
> 
> my system:
> Red Hat 7.3
> ruby 1.6.7 (2002-03-01) [i686-linux]
> gtk2-devel-2.0.2-4  (rpm version)
> gtk2-2.0.2-4 (rpm version)
> 
> the gtk2 rpms are those which come with the Red Hat 7.3 cd's
> 
> any hints on what to do??
> 
> by the way: thanks for your work. I like gtk very much
> and together with Ruby this will be a powerful tool
> 
> regards
> markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Markus Jais
> http://www.mjais.de
> in...@mj...
> The road goes ever on and on - Bilbo Baggins
> 
> 
> 
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[ruby-gnome2-devel-en] problem running cvs version

[Markus J. <mj...@we...>]

hello
I just downloaded ruby-gnome from cvs and installed the gtk+ part

I changed to the gtk directory and typed
ruby extconf.rb
make
sudo make install

and everything was fine

but when I type
ruby -Isrc sample/*.rb
or run any of the examples programms or use irb and type require "gtk"
I get this error:

irb(main):001:0> require 'gtk2'
LoadError: /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/gtk2.so: undefined symbol: 
id_relatives - /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.6/i686-linux/gtk2.so
        from (irb):1:in `require'
        from (irb):1


my system:
Red Hat 7.3
ruby 1.6.7 (2002-03-01) [i686-linux]
gtk2-devel-2.0.2-4  (rpm version)
gtk2-2.0.2-4 (rpm version)

the gtk2 rpms are those which come with the Red Hat 7.3 cd's

any hints on what to do??

by the way: thanks for your work. I like gtk very much
and together with Ruby this will be a powerful tool

regards
markus




-- 
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http://www.mjais.de
in...@mj...
The road goes ever on and on - Bilbo Baggins

[ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Website, Milestones and Status matrix.

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

Now, almost of Ruby/GLib2, Ruby/GTK2 work fine.
#You can enjoy it on CVS.

So I have worked next stage since yesterday.

At first, I wrote Website for Ruby-GNOME.

  http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.net/

Yes, it is very simple ... 
Is there anyone to make it cool website?
I hope your help.

Then, I wrote milestones and status matrix.
Read this, and give me comments.

  http://ruby-gnome2.sourceforge.net/status.html


And this weekend, I'll write Ruby-GNOME2 coding rule.
It'll be how to write wrapper for 
Ruby-GNOME2(mainly Ruby/GTK2, Ruby/GNOME2).
I hope someone who read it can help us easier.

Next, I'll check classes/modules according to status 
matrix in order. 
I think this stage will take a lot of time.
So if you would like to help us, please help this stage.

P.S.
Does anyone check my bad English in Website?

Cheers,
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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Status Inquiry

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:34:17 -0700
Evan Martin <ma...@cs...> wrote:

> If you're going to use autogeneration, GTK provides a datafile 
> (gtk.defs) that describes all of the C functions in a structured form 
> that is parsable into generated wrappers.  That's how PyGTK [Python] 
> does it, for example (I believe that James, the guy behind PyGTK, is 
> actually responsible for it).

There is a script for same purpose by Igarashi-san.
#But as a result of some discussion with Mr.Igarashi, I did not adopted it.

If you are still interested in, check it. 

http://www.ruby-lang.org/~iga/files/gnome-ruby-proto-20010916.tar.gz


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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Status Inquiry

[Evan M. <ma...@cs...>]

Darrin Thompson wrote:
> Did your decision to not use SWIG take into consideration the recent 
> developments there? From what I've read on the english ruby-talk list, 
> SWIG 1.3 is turning into a really excellent tool and the ruby to c code 
> generator is excellent. Perhaps you all should reconsider?
> 
> http://swig-jp.dyndns.org/ <- Japanese. I don't know what it actually 
> says. :-)

I believe one of their design decisions was to do things by hand.

If you're going to use autogeneration, GTK provides a datafile 
(gtk.defs) that describes all of the C functions in a structured form 
that is parsable into generated wrappers.  That's how PyGTK [Python] 
does it, for example (I believe that James, the guy behind PyGTK, is 
actually responsible for it).

I wrote a small parser for that file a while back but there is still a 
lot of internal work to do-- the GObject <-> Ruby object stuff probably 
needs to be done by hand.

Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Status Inquiry

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

On Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:04:09 -0500
Darrin Thompson <dth...@ch...> wrote:

> Did your decision to not use SWIG take into consideration the recent 
> developments there? From what I've read on the english ruby-talk list, 
> SWIG 1.3 is turning into a really excellent tool and the ruby to c code 
> generator is excellent. Perhaps you all should reconsider?

When I started Ruby-GNOME2, I decided to make Ruby-GNOME2 
be not wrapper of GNOME2.
Some methods will be named more ruby-like, 
Constants will be also changed. 

So I decided to write Ruby-GNOME2 by hand.

But if you write Ruby-GNOME2 using SWIG and it'll become cool, 
I may accept it.

Cheers.
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Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Status Inquiry

[Darrin T. <dth...@ch...>]

Did your decision to not use SWIG take into consideration the recent 
developments there? From what I've read on the english ruby-talk list, 
SWIG 1.3 is turning into a really excellent tool and the ruby to c code 
generator is excellent. Perhaps you all should reconsider?

http://swig-jp.dyndns.org/ <- Japanese. I don't know what it actually 
says. :-)

Darrin

Masao Mutoh wrote:

>Hi,
>
>On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:17:52 -0500
>Darrin Thompson <dth...@ch...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have a few questions. Wish I knew Japanese.
>>    
>>
>
>OK, How I wish I knew English well;->.
>
>  
>
>>Does anyone have a ballpark idea of when ruby-gnome2 will be stable 
>>enough for general use?
>>    
>>
>
>Sorry, but NO, though we make efforts.
>
>Now we are implementing common parts like glib and gobject, 
>Ruby object <-> GTK object and others.
>Especially, Ruby Object <-> GTK Object converting algorithm was improved 
>much better than Ruby-GNOME.
>
>And then, I am going to improve APIs and constants.
>#This is just an idea. I want any ideas/comments.
>
>(1) Setter/Getter
>In Ruby-GNOME, as there are no rule, we got confused sometimes.
>So I decide to make rules as follows:
>
> * Method has An argument
>    setter: hoge=
>            set_hoge(a)
>    getter: hoge
> * Method has more than 2 arguments
>    setter: set_fuga(a, b)
>    getter: fuga           #Have no arguments.
>            get_fuga(a, b) #Have arguments.
>
>(2) Constants
> * Abolish Constants module. e.g. Gtk::ItemFactory::Constants.
> * Make rules for constants.
>   Now I think as follows:
>    - If the constants belong an object(class or module) obiviouly, 
>      include the constants among members of the object.
>      e.g.)In the case of GtkDialog
>      GtkDialogFlags
>         GTK_DIALOG_MODAL               -> Gtk::Dialog::MODAL
>         GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT -> Gtk::Dialog::DESTROY_WITH_PARENT
>         GTK_DIALOG_NO_SEPARATOR        -> Gtk::Dialog::NO_SEPARATOR
>
>      GtkResponseType
>         GTK_RESPONSE_NONE     ->  Gtk::Dialog::RESPONSE_NONE
>         GTK_RESPONSE_REJECT   ->  Gtk::Dialog::RESPONSE_REJECT
>         GTK_RESPONSE_ACCEPT   ->  Gtk::Dialog::RESPONSE_ACCEPT
>
>    - The constants is independant from objects
>      (though I don't know whether such constants exists).
>       GTK_FOO_BAR -> Gtk::FOO_BAR
>
>  
>
>>Will it be easy to integrate the appropriate parts of ruby-gnome2 with 
>>the one-click windows installer from rubycentral.com?
>>    
>>
>
>It is good idea. But now, I don't have any idea, because I don't have any 
>knowhows/skills both Win32 and Installer of Win32.
>
>If you have any idea/knowhow/skills about it, I would like to start sub 
>project such as installer_win32 under ruby-gnome2
>#Though I may not be able to help you....
> 
>  
>
>>Thanks to all who are working on it. I've played with a cvs checkout and 
>>was able to pop up a dialog from irb. Fun. :-)
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah!
>Especialy, Sakai-san who is also maintainer of Gimp-Ruby, wrote almost 
>of all Ruby/GLib and improved many parts of Ruby-GNOME2. In addition, 
>he is still continuing to write more cool source codes for Ruby-GNOME2.
>He is so cool hacker. Thanks!
>
>  
>

Re: [ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Status Inquiry

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi,

On Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:17:52 -0500
Darrin Thompson <dth...@ch...> wrote:

> I have a few questions. Wish I knew Japanese.

OK, How I wish I knew English well;->.

> Does anyone have a ballpark idea of when ruby-gnome2 will be stable 
> enough for general use?

Sorry, but NO, though we make efforts.

Now we are implementing common parts like glib and gobject, 
Ruby object <-> GTK object and others.
Especially, Ruby Object <-> GTK Object converting algorithm was improved 
much better than Ruby-GNOME.

And then, I am going to improve APIs and constants.
#This is just an idea. I want any ideas/comments.

(1) Setter/Getter
In Ruby-GNOME, as there are no rule, we got confused sometimes.
So I decide to make rules as follows:

 * Method has An argument
    setter: hoge=
            set_hoge(a)
    getter: hoge
 * Method has more than 2 arguments
    setter: set_fuga(a, b)
    getter: fuga           #Have no arguments.
            get_fuga(a, b) #Have arguments.

(2) Constants
 * Abolish Constants module. e.g. Gtk::ItemFactory::Constants.
 * Make rules for constants.
   Now I think as follows:
    - If the constants belong an object(class or module) obiviouly, 
      include the constants among members of the object.
      e.g.)In the case of GtkDialog
      GtkDialogFlags
         GTK_DIALOG_MODAL               -> Gtk::Dialog::MODAL
         GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT -> Gtk::Dialog::DESTROY_WITH_PARENT
         GTK_DIALOG_NO_SEPARATOR        -> Gtk::Dialog::NO_SEPARATOR

      GtkResponseType
         GTK_RESPONSE_NONE     ->  Gtk::Dialog::RESPONSE_NONE
         GTK_RESPONSE_REJECT   ->  Gtk::Dialog::RESPONSE_REJECT
         GTK_RESPONSE_ACCEPT   ->  Gtk::Dialog::RESPONSE_ACCEPT

    - The constants is independant from objects
      (though I don't know whether such constants exists).
       GTK_FOO_BAR -> Gtk::FOO_BAR

> Will it be easy to integrate the appropriate parts of ruby-gnome2 with 
> the one-click windows installer from rubycentral.com?

It is good idea. But now, I don't have any idea, because I don't have any 
knowhows/skills both Win32 and Installer of Win32.

If you have any idea/knowhow/skills about it, I would like to start sub 
project such as installer_win32 under ruby-gnome2
#Though I may not be able to help you....
 
> Thanks to all who are working on it. I've played with a cvs checkout and 
> was able to pop up a dialog from irb. Fun. :-)

Yeah!
Especialy, Sakai-san who is also maintainer of Gimp-Ruby, wrote almost 
of all Ruby/GLib and improved many parts of Ruby-GNOME2. In addition, 
he is still continuing to write more cool source codes for Ruby-GNOME2.
He is so cool hacker. Thanks!

-- 
.:% Masao Mutoh<mu...@hi...>

[ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Status Inquiry

[Darrin T. <dth...@ch...>]

I have a few questions. Wish I knew Japanese.

Does anyone have a ballpark idea of when ruby-gnome2 will be stable 
enough for general use?

Will it be easy to integrate the appropriate parts of ruby-gnome2 with 
the one-click windows installer from rubycentral.com?

Thanks to all who are working on it. I've played with a cvs checkout and 
was able to pop up a dialog from irb. Fun. :-)

Darrin

[ruby-gnome2-devel-en] Ruby-GNOME2 developer's Mailing List is now available!

[Masao M. <mu...@hi...>]

Hi, 

I'm the maintainer of Ruby-GNOME.

This ML is for Ruby-GNOME2 developer.
If you are interested in development of 
Ruby-GNOME2, join this ML!

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