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Re: [Rails-devel] Rails 2.0 code pushed to repo for first alpha release

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

I would agree, the majority of players I know prefer to play 1830 as
permissive.  I'm going to go check out this branch now, looking
forward to seeing what it's like!

On 4 February 2014 13:58, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
> The recent push to the repo included all code changes that will go into
> the first alpha release of Rails 2.0. I hope to prepare a package for
> upload to the webpage tonight, latest tomorrow.
>
> Anyone with a development account can already test it by checking-out
> branch rails_2_develop.
>
> Anyone who started development using the branch, please try to
> merge/rebase early as the merged route functionality touched a lot of
> classes. If you run into trouble, please contact me soon.
>
> It compiles, has all unit tests (which cover all of the new state
> package) and all but 2 test games running.
>
> However expect rough edges at a lot of places (especially some fields in
> the UI might display the name of the field instead of their content,
> especially those fields that are game specific).
>
> So what is really new:
> * Most of the work went into the new state and model technique, which
> only works under the hood. It should however strongly improve the
> redo/undo reliability.
>
> * Another major innovation is the new tile laying algorithm, which only
> allows tile lays confirming to the 18xx rules.
>
> However to test it in develop you have to add an argument to a run
> configuration e.g. -DRouteAlgorithm=Permissive
> The other settings are Restrictive and Semi-Restrictive.
>
> For the alpha release I will add the option to choose the tile-laying
> rule for each game with the correct default for each game.
>
> Only question is what should be the default for 1830? I suggest
> Permissive, as it still allows to play stricter if people disagree.
>
> Have fun,
> Stefan
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[Rails-devel] Rails 2.0 code pushed to repo for first alpha release

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

The recent push to the repo included all code changes that will go into 
the first alpha release of Rails 2.0. I hope to prepare a package for 
upload to the webpage tonight, latest tomorrow.

Anyone with a development account can already test it by checking-out 
branch rails_2_develop.

Anyone who started development using the branch, please try to 
merge/rebase early as the merged route functionality touched a lot of 
classes. If you run into trouble, please contact me soon.

It compiles, has all unit tests (which cover all of the new state 
package) and all but 2 test games running.

However expect rough edges at a lot of places (especially some fields in 
the UI might display the name of the field instead of their content, 
especially those fields that are game specific).

So what is really new:
* Most of the work went into the new state and model technique, which 
only works under the hood. It should however strongly improve the 
redo/undo reliability.

* Another major innovation is the new tile laying algorithm, which only
allows tile lays confirming to the 18xx rules.

However to test it in develop you have to add an argument to a run 
configuration e.g. -DRouteAlgorithm=Permissive
The other settings are Restrictive and Semi-Restrictive.

For the alpha release I will add the option to choose the tile-laying 
rule for each game with the correct default for each game.

Only question is what should be the default for 1830? I suggest 
Permissive, as it still allows to play stricter if people disagree.

Have fun,
Stefan

Re: [Rails-devel] GuiDef.Panel for new windows

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

Subclassing those was what I had originally been doing - I was just
wondering if those should be put in the common code area because we were
already making the common code aware of that type of round by changing
GuiDef.  I will continue down the subclassing path.

Thanks,

Mike


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> Mike:
> I do not fully understand your proposal.
> However the current mechanism would imply to subclass GameManager and
> GameUIManager and make adjustments in those 1862 specific subclasses.
>
> Only the GuiDef.Panel would have an additional entry. This is not
> perfect, but as this will require some rework anyway, that is not an
> issue. Maybe place a remark to the enum entry that this is for 1862 only.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> On 02/03/2014 02:39 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> > By extension, should I then make the common GameManager and
> > GameUIManager aware of Parliament rounds and drop the "Round" class for
> > it in the common area as well?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:21 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> > <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
> >
> >     I prefer explicit solutions, so feel free to add another item in the
> >     GuiDef.Panel.
> >
> >     It would be great to add more generic functionality for window
> creation
> >     and management, but this has not been my scope so far. So feel free
> to
> >     come up with suggestions or otherwise simply follow the existing
> >     mechanisms.
> >
> >     Stefan
> >
> >
> >     On 02/02/2014 11:43 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> >      > I'm making a new window for the Parliamentary Rounds in 1862.
> >       Ideally,
> >      > I'd like to be able to extend GuiDef.Panel for the new window,
> >     however,
> >      > I wanted to float that with you guys first.
> >      >
> >      > Alternately, I could re-use "START_ROUND" - but since it's not
> >     really a
> >      > start round, I was hesitant to do that.
> >      >
> >      > Which approach would be preferable?
> >      >
> >      > Mike
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
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Re: [Rails-devel] GuiDef.Panel for new windows

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Mike:
I do not fully understand your proposal.
However the current mechanism would imply to subclass GameManager and 
GameUIManager and make adjustments in those 1862 specific subclasses.

Only the GuiDef.Panel would have an additional entry. This is not 
perfect, but as this will require some rework anyway, that is not an 
issue. Maybe place a remark to the enum entry that this is for 1862 only.

Stefan


On 02/03/2014 02:39 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> By extension, should I then make the common GameManager and
> GameUIManager aware of Parliament rounds and drop the "Round" class for
> it in the common area as well?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:21 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...
> <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote:
>
>     I prefer explicit solutions, so feel free to add another item in the
>     GuiDef.Panel.
>
>     It would be great to add more generic functionality for window creation
>     and management, but this has not been my scope so far. So feel free to
>     come up with suggestions or otherwise simply follow the existing
>     mechanisms.
>
>     Stefan
>
>
>     On 02/02/2014 11:43 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
>      > I'm making a new window for the Parliamentary Rounds in 1862.
>       Ideally,
>      > I'd like to be able to extend GuiDef.Panel for the new window,
>     however,
>      > I wanted to float that with you guys first.
>      >
>      > Alternately, I could re-use "START_ROUND" - but since it's not
>     really a
>      > start round, I was hesitant to do that.
>      >
>      > Which approach would be preferable?
>      >
>      > Mike
>      >
>      >
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Re: [Rails-devel] GuiDef.Panel for new windows

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

By extension, should I then make the common GameManager and GameUIManager
aware of Parliament rounds and drop the "Round" class for it in the common
area as well?

Mike


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:21 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> I prefer explicit solutions, so feel free to add another item in the
> GuiDef.Panel.
>
> It would be great to add more generic functionality for window creation
> and management, but this has not been my scope so far. So feel free to
> come up with suggestions or otherwise simply follow the existing
> mechanisms.
>
> Stefan
>
>
> On 02/02/2014 11:43 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> > I'm making a new window for the Parliamentary Rounds in 1862.  Ideally,
> > I'd like to be able to extend GuiDef.Panel for the new window, however,
> > I wanted to float that with you guys first.
> >
> > Alternately, I could re-use "START_ROUND" - but since it's not really a
> > start round, I was hesitant to do that.
> >
> > Which approach would be preferable?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Rails-devel] GuiDef.Panel for new windows

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

I prefer explicit solutions, so feel free to add another item in the 
GuiDef.Panel.

It would be great to add more generic functionality for window creation 
and management, but this has not been my scope so far. So feel free to 
come up with suggestions or otherwise simply follow the existing mechanisms.

Stefan


On 02/02/2014 11:43 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> I'm making a new window for the Parliamentary Rounds in 1862.  Ideally,
> I'd like to be able to extend GuiDef.Panel for the new window, however,
> I wanted to float that with you guys first.
>
> Alternately, I could re-use "START_ROUND" - but since it's not really a
> start round, I was hesitant to do that.
>
> Which approach would be preferable?
>
> Mike
>
>
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[Rails-devel] GuiDef.Panel for new windows

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

I'm making a new window for the Parliamentary Rounds in 1862.  Ideally, I'd
like to be able to extend GuiDef.Panel for the new window, however, I
wanted to float that with you guys first.

Alternately, I could re-use "START_ROUND" - but since it's not really a
start round, I was hesitant to do that.

Which approach would be preferable?

Mike

Re: [Rails-devel] Randomized setup at the start of a game

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

<html>
  <head>
  </head>
  <body>Creation of a RandomAction which extends PossibleAction. And combine this with initializing the RNG with a number stored inside the game file at the start of the game. Actions will be saved and will be atoms that will be exchanged between players if we will support online games in the future.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Michael Alexander &lt;out...@gm...&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

    <div>
      1862 requires some randomized setup (which companies are available, which companies have which rights). &nbsp;Where is a good place to put this so that it won&#39;t get re-run when a game is loaded?
      <div>
        <br/>
      </div>
      <div>
        Mike
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[Rails-devel] Randomized setup at the start of a game

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

1862 requires some randomized setup (which companies are available, which
companies have which rights).  Where is a good place to put this so that it
won't get re-run when a game is loaded?

Mike

[Rails-devel] Update on Rails 2.0

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

I am always surprised how easy it is to underestimate the amount of work required for a merge of two feature branches. ;-) Even in those cases there it is pretty straight forward as it is here, a total of 208 merge conflicts, 75 errors after merging and 15 errors which require some rewrite remain.<br>
<br>
The good thing here I can take my time and so I want to let you know that you still have to wait a little bit for the alpha release.<br>
<br>
 However working on rails_2_develop is possible, as all substantial changes to Rails core are already included.<br>
Only working on the UI of the Operating Round or the network algorithms is not a good idea until the tile laying is fully merged.<br>

Re: [Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[brett l. <bre...@gm...>]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> I should have been more precise, my intention is to increase the minimum
> version of Java to 1.6 (aka Java 6). This includes anyone who uses 1.7/
> Java 7. The only group excluded are those who are still on 1.5.
> If I remember correctly that there those with a Mac system running on a
> Motorola cpu. But most likely there is no one left.
>
>
That was the meaning I took from your proposal.

My point was that, given that Java 7 is 2 years old, there aren't a lot of
reasons that I see for why Java 7 couldn't be the minimum version or why we
had to support Java 6 a while longer.

I'm comfortable with the minimum version being 6 or 7 at this point. The
risks that there are people unable to upgrade to Java 7 (if they haven't
already) are likely to be fairly low.

---Brett.



>
> brett lentz <bre...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
>>
>>> All users of rails,
>>> For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java
>>> version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially
>>> for those users on a Mac OS?
>>> There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6
>>> support only.
>>> Thanks for your feedback,
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>
>>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> I would also be comfortable jumping the supported platform to Java 7
>> (1.7). It's been out for a couple years now. Wikipedia says Java 7 was
>> released in July 2011 and Java 6 was released in December 2006. So, I don't
>> think anyone can make a valid case that Java 7 is "too new" or lacks
>> widespread adoption or support.
>>
>> ---Brett.
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Re: [Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

<html>
  <head>
  </head>
  <body>I should have been more precise, my intention is to increase the minimum version of Java to 1.6 (aka Java 6). This includes anyone who uses 1.7/ Java 7. The only group excluded are those who are still on 1.5. <br>
If I remember correctly that there those with a Mac system running on a Motorola cpu. But most likely there is no one left.  <br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">brett lentz &lt;bre...@gm...&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

    <div>
      <br/>
      <div class="gmail_extra">
        <br/>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Stefan Frey<span> &lt;<a href="mailto:ste...@we..." target="_blank">ste...@we...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br/>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;">
            All users of rails,<br/>
            For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java<br/>
            version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially<br/>
            for those users on a Mac OS?<br/>
            There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6<br/>
            support only.<br/>
            Thanks for your feedback,<br/>
            Stefan<br/>
          </blockquote>
          <div>
            <br/>
            <br/>
            +1 from me.<br/>
            <br/>
            I would also be comfortable jumping the supported platform to Java 7 (1.7). It&#39;s been out for a couple years now. Wikipedia says Java 7 was released in July 2011 and Java 6 was released in December 2006. So, I don&#39;t think anyone can make a valid case that Java 7 is &quot;too new&quot; or lacks widespread adoption or support.<br/>
            <br/>
            ---Brett.
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
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Re: [Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[brett l. <bre...@gm...>]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> All users of rails,
> For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java
> version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially
> for those users on a Mac OS?
> There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6
> support only.
> Thanks for your feedback,
> Stefan
>


+1 from me.

I would also be comfortable jumping the supported platform to Java 7 (1.7).
It's been out for a couple years now. Wikipedia says Java 7 was released in
July 2011 and Java 6 was released in December 2006. So, I don't think
anyone can make a valid case that Java 7 is "too new" or lacks widespread
adoption or support.

---Brett.

Re: [Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[John D. G. <jd...@di...>]

On 2014-01-28 03:51, Stefan Frey wrote:
> All users of rails,
> For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java 
> version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially 
> for those users on a Mac OS?
> There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6 
> support only.
> Thanks for your feedback,
> Stefan

I don't know about everyone else, but I have Java set to auto-update
because of the many security holes that have been found in Java itself.
I don't think this has ever broken Rails or prevented me from building
it.  If this ever happens and I notice the fact, I'll say something.

[Rails-devel] Branch rails_2_develop updated

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Mike (and others):
The branch rails_2_develop is updated, so that you can start 
implementing 1862 (or porting code from 1880 in 1.8.x).

It includes all changes of the Rails 2.x up-to-date except the tile 
laying algorithm, which still has to be merged. However I do not expect 
any difficulties there, so an alpha release for 2.0 will be possible 
tonight.

One important change in the XML definition files:
The game options are now only defined once in a separate xml, aptly 
named "GameOptions.xml" inside each game directory. This replaces the 
duplicate definitions in "GameList.xml" and specific "Game.xml".

This required a rewrite of the GameSetup window, thus it might still be 
buggy at some places.

Stefan

Re: [Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[Rick W. <wes...@pu...>]

Mac OS 10.9.1 (what I am running and either the latest OS or close to it) supports java version “1.6.0_65”  so I would say ‘no problem’.    


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On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:

> All users of rails,
> For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java 
> version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially 
> for those users on a Mac OS?
> There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6 
> support only.
> Thanks for your feedback,
> Stefan
> 
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Re: [Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[Phil D. <de...@gm...>]

I'd personally be really surprised, surely Java 7 is standard now?  At
least as a runtime...

On 28 January 2014 11:51, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote:
> All users of rails,
> For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java
> version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially
> for those users on a Mac OS?
> There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6
> support only.
> Thanks for your feedback,
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[Rails-devel] Moving to Java 1.6

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

All users of rails,
For the upcoming version 2.0 of Rails my intention is to move to Java 
version 1.6. Are there still serious obstacles to upgrading? Especially 
for those users on a Mac OS?
There are several libraries used by Rails, which have moved to 1.6 
support only.
Thanks for your feedback,
Stefan

Re: [Rails-devel] 1862?

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Mike:
great proposal to volunteer on 1862 ;-)
As 1880 not an easy one.

However in general I think targeting the newer titles is a good idea, as 
they are more likely to be played and usually they are not supported by 
Lemmis moderator.

Some comments below.

On 01/27/2014 09:03 PM, Michael Alexander wrote:
> I am considering trying to implement 1862 in Rails.  Much of it is
> pretty straight-forward, but there are a couple of significant hurdles.
>
> 1)  1862 has a new type of rounds - "Parliamentary Rounds".  These come
> before each stock round.  I suppose they could be done as part of the
> stock rounds, but it would probably be a lot cleaner to have a new round
> type.

As I mentioned before on this list, I intend to change the Round 
mechanism to use mechanisms based on compositions/interfaces instead of 
the current sub-classing approach which in fact exposes everything of 
the parent class as an interface.
However this will be 2.1. so feel free to start with existing approach.

>
> 2)  Run calculation will be brutal, and probably need to be written from
> scratch for 1862.  There are three train types in 1862, and they can run
> on the same track, but each city can only count once.

 From my first reading of the train rules it seems that there is no rule 
which is impossible to implement with the current calculation mechanism.

The current implementation already allows trains based on hex-distance 
(freight trains). The other train types are also supported.

Running all trains independently, but counting stations only once will 
be achieved by changing the network graph. You will have each station 
included multiple times equal the number of trains, but only once it 
will have a non-zero score. Using "vertex-visit" sets ensures that only 
one of the nodes per city will be connected by each train.

The various rules that apply to the intersection of trains and visiting 
tokens will be checked by a dynamic modifier which sets invalid train 
run combinations to a zero score.

However I agree that 1862 without it is already an achievement.

>
> Also, if I do this, should it go straight into 2.0 or should I start in 1.8?

Go to 2.0. I am currently merging and picking from the various branches 
for the alpha release. After the alpha release (from later today 
hopefully) please use rails_2_develop.

Stefan

Re: [Rails-devel] 1862?

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

Which 2.0 branch should I work in?  merge, unfinished, or develop?


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Michael Alexander
<out...@gm...>wrote:

> Don't get your hopes up that it will be soon - but I'll probably get
> started before too long.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:
>
>> If you implement it without automatic route calculation, many of us will
>> still be very happy. We can count our routes manually for now. Calculation
>> could be an add-on for later.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM, brett lentz <bre...@gm...>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Michael Alexander <
>>> out...@gm...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am considering trying to implement 1862 in Rails.  Much of it is
>>>> pretty straight-forward, but there are a couple of significant hurdles.
>>>>
>>>> 1)  1862 has a new type of rounds - "Parliamentary Rounds".  These come
>>>> before each stock round.  I suppose they could be done as part of the stock
>>>> rounds, but it would probably be a lot cleaner to have a new round type.
>>>>
>>>> 2)  Run calculation will be brutal, and probably need to be written
>>>> from scratch for 1862.  There are three train types in 1862, and they can
>>>> run on the same track, but each city can only count once.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if I do this, should it go straight into 2.0 or should I start in
>>>> 1.8?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It sounds like Stefan is really close to releasing 2.0, so that's what I
>>> would recommend targeting.
>>>
>>> That said, there's several pieces that can be implemented at any time,
>>> such as the map and stock market XML files, the tile manifests, etc.
>>>
>>> Parlimentary rounds will just be another specialized sub-class of Round.
>>> There's already examples to help guide your way.
>>>
>>> ---Brett.
>>>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1862?

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

Don't get your hopes up that it will be soon - but I'll probably get
started before too long.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Chris Shaffer <chr...@gm...>wrote:

> If you implement it without automatic route calculation, many of us will
> still be very happy. We can count our routes manually for now. Calculation
> could be an add-on for later.
>
>
> --
> Chris
>
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>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM, brett lentz <bre...@gm...>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Michael Alexander <
>> out...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>>> I am considering trying to implement 1862 in Rails.  Much of it is
>>> pretty straight-forward, but there are a couple of significant hurdles.
>>>
>>> 1)  1862 has a new type of rounds - "Parliamentary Rounds".  These come
>>> before each stock round.  I suppose they could be done as part of the stock
>>> rounds, but it would probably be a lot cleaner to have a new round type.
>>>
>>> 2)  Run calculation will be brutal, and probably need to be written from
>>> scratch for 1862.  There are three train types in 1862, and they can run on
>>> the same track, but each city can only count once.
>>>
>>> Also, if I do this, should it go straight into 2.0 or should I start in
>>> 1.8?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like Stefan is really close to releasing 2.0, so that's what I
>> would recommend targeting.
>>
>> That said, there's several pieces that can be implemented at any time,
>> such as the map and stock market XML files, the tile manifests, etc.
>>
>> Parlimentary rounds will just be another specialized sub-class of Round.
>> There's already examples to help guide your way.
>>
>> ---Brett.
>>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1862?

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

If you implement it without automatic route calculation, many of us will
still be very happy. We can count our routes manually for now. Calculation
could be an add-on for later.


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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM, brett lentz <bre...@gm...> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Michael Alexander <
> out...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> I am considering trying to implement 1862 in Rails.  Much of it is pretty
>> straight-forward, but there are a couple of significant hurdles.
>>
>> 1)  1862 has a new type of rounds - "Parliamentary Rounds".  These come
>> before each stock round.  I suppose they could be done as part of the stock
>> rounds, but it would probably be a lot cleaner to have a new round type.
>>
>> 2)  Run calculation will be brutal, and probably need to be written from
>> scratch for 1862.  There are three train types in 1862, and they can run on
>> the same track, but each city can only count once.
>>
>> Also, if I do this, should it go straight into 2.0 or should I start in
>> 1.8?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>
> It sounds like Stefan is really close to releasing 2.0, so that's what I
> would recommend targeting.
>
> That said, there's several pieces that can be implemented at any time,
> such as the map and stock market XML files, the tile manifests, etc.
>
> Parlimentary rounds will just be another specialized sub-class of Round.
> There's already examples to help guide your way.
>
> ---Brett.
>
>
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Re: [Rails-devel] 1862?

[brett l. <bre...@gm...>]

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Michael Alexander
<out...@gm...>wrote:

> I am considering trying to implement 1862 in Rails.  Much of it is pretty
> straight-forward, but there are a couple of significant hurdles.
>
> 1)  1862 has a new type of rounds - "Parliamentary Rounds".  These come
> before each stock round.  I suppose they could be done as part of the stock
> rounds, but it would probably be a lot cleaner to have a new round type.
>
> 2)  Run calculation will be brutal, and probably need to be written from
> scratch for 1862.  There are three train types in 1862, and they can run on
> the same track, but each city can only count once.
>
> Also, if I do this, should it go straight into 2.0 or should I start in
> 1.8?
>
> Mike
>


It sounds like Stefan is really close to releasing 2.0, so that's what I
would recommend targeting.

That said, there's several pieces that can be implemented at any time, such
as the map and stock market XML files, the tile manifests, etc.

Parlimentary rounds will just be another specialized sub-class of Round.
There's already examples to help guide your way.

---Brett.

[Rails-devel] 1862?

[Michael A. <out...@gm...>]

I am considering trying to implement 1862 in Rails.  Much of it is pretty
straight-forward, but there are a couple of significant hurdles.

1)  1862 has a new type of rounds - "Parliamentary Rounds".  These come
before each stock round.  I suppose they could be done as part of the stock
rounds, but it would probably be a lot cleaner to have a new round type.

2)  Run calculation will be brutal, and probably need to be written from
scratch for 1862.  There are three train types in 1862, and they can run on
the same track, but each city can only count once.

Also, if I do this, should it go straight into 2.0 or should I start in 1.8?

Mike

Re: [Rails-devel] Questions regarding Map Code

[Stefan F. <ste...@we...>]

Martin:
some remarks/answers to your questions:

However all of this will be done in Rails 2.0.
Which is not too bad ;-), as I will commit some major coding update and 
an alpha release today or tomorrow.

Stefan


On 12/31/2013 02:45 PM, Martin Brumm wrote:
> Hi Brett, Stefan & Erik, Michael. Frederick
>
> i would like to share with you the following recommendations from a
> face2face game regarding the display of information on the map:


I had some ftf games in the past as well and especially people used to 
Lemmi moderators also complain about the information provided in the 
tables. In the medium term I plan to add a ftf mode that is closer to 
the moderator for the type of information displayed. So if anyone has 
suggestions for that, feel free to comment on this.

This ftf-mode should have support both playing with a physical board 
(similar to Lemmis moderator and the currenty no-map-mode) and playing 
only on computer.

>
>   - Off-Board hexes should display the value for different phases
> permanently and not only on Mouse Over.

>
>   - Map Hexes with gelogical features (rivers, mountains, etc) should
> have a depiction of the feature also on the map not only the cost. (Some
> minors might bring special powers)...
>
> So my question would be: is there a layer already to paint that
> information ? Or any other method to have that info on a hex (besides
> the Label ).

All of this is surely missing for ftf. However there are three answers 
to this:

A) Erik always targeted a SVG background map, that includes that 
information. So for those games with a SVG map included, it is a non-issue.

B) I started some minor work on refactoring the map display part in 
Rails 2.0. I intend to have a closer look at all this soon.
Most likely I will replace the current SVG library Batik with a new one 
(SVG Salamander) which has a smaller foot-print and is easier to use.
This might make it easier to add those features directly using SVG icons 
instead of Java graphics to display the features you mention above.

C) The intended layer (create by Frederick) for your map annotations is 
the TokensTextsLayer in the HexMap class/subclasses.

>
> Regarding the information on the Status overview:
>
> Reorder the companies in the status overview based on the actual
> operation order (in case of 1880) with inactive companies on the bottom
> of the display.


See my remark above about my intended ftf-mode as it would be included 
in that re-work.

>
> Anyone can help me there ? :)
>
> Regards,
> Martin
>
>
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