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From: Stan S. <sta...@sy...> - 2013-12-05 04:33:14
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> For the longest time, I've noticed that Rails does not do the initial CGR > stock price correctly. > I am not sure if it calculates it absolutely correctly, but the rules > clearly say that the CGR stock token is supposed to go on the top row, and > Rails always puts it on the second row - not sure why. Stan |
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-28 21:24:51
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Good Evening, the problem arises from the implementation of the FerryConnectionModifier in the Moment. It relies on the run.getVertices() which only stores the Hexes with a station/City on a run. But sometimes this mechanismn stores an intermediate Hex and thus Mike's calculation finds that theres a water combo in between.. I noticed the RevenueBonusTemplate Class in the rails.algorithmns ? Can we use that with a negative Bonus (Malus) ? Should we create a RevenueMalusTemplate and add that to the Code ? Then Overwrite RevenueAdapter with a new Class specific for 1880 ? Or put it in the main class (dont know if there are other Games that use Malus ?). And then use the FerryConnection Modifier to cancel out the effects of the Malus ? But then again we might have to find out if on that particular vertices combination a malus exists.... Probably wont save us lots of trouble, if Stefan doesnt have an idea. Other angle: So how can one find out which route gets used between two cities (i.e. determine the hexes automatically ?) Looking @Stefan there for clues :) Regards Martin Am 28.11.2013 02:16, schrieb Michael Alexander: > There are three connections that are "by ferry". Each connection that > is used take $10 off the run. What is happening now is that if a run > uses two or more connections, $10 is only taken off once. > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we... > <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote: > > If someone explains shortly what the requirement is, I might have a > proposal to solve it in time. > > On 11/27/2013 09:31 PM, Michael Alexander wrote: > > Martin, > > > > I don't think I'm going to get to the fix for the multiple > water > > hexes by Saturday. I will let you know for sure by Friday. > > > > Mike > |
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From: brett l. <bre...@gm...> - 2013-11-28 02:38:39
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I see you have a wiki account already. I've made it an editor. You can now edit the wiki. :) ---Brett. ---Brett. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:52 PM, John David Galt < jd...@di...> wrote: > How do I get permission to edit the wiki? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics > Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Michael A. <out...@gm...> - 2013-11-28 01:16:33
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There are three connections that are "by ferry". Each connection that is used take $10 off the run. What is happening now is that if a run uses two or more connections, $10 is only taken off once. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > If someone explains shortly what the requirement is, I might have a > proposal to solve it in time. > > On 11/27/2013 09:31 PM, Michael Alexander wrote: > > Martin, > > > > I don't think I'm going to get to the fix for the multiple water > > hexes by Saturday. I will let you know for sure by Friday. > > > > Mike > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Martin Brumm > > <dr....@t-... <mailto:dr....@t-...>> > wrote: > > > > Am 27.11.2013 14:18, schrieb Antero Kuusi: > > > We found a map error in 1880 module. Rails map has large double > city > > > in hex H8 (tile -80020) while it should be medium double city > > > (-80002). That error makes the Belgian investor unusable as it > really > > > needs a double small station in the hex. > > > > > > Antero > > > > > Hello Antero, > > > > unfortunately you are right. This bug is confirmed and fixed in the > > latest commit. I will push a new release on Saturday, to incoporate > > other fixes. I know Michael is looking into a problem regarding the > > value calculation while traveling over multiple water hexes in 1880. > > > > Thanks again for reporting the bug. > > > > Martin > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most > IT > > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application > performance > > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility > > into your > > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of > > AppDynamics Pro! > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-devel mailing list > > Rai...@li... > > <mailto:Rai...@li...> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into > your > > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of > AppDynamics Pro! > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-devel mailing list > > Rai...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics > Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-27 22:28:13
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If someone explains shortly what the requirement is, I might have a proposal to solve it in time. On 11/27/2013 09:31 PM, Michael Alexander wrote: > Martin, > > I don't think I'm going to get to the fix for the multiple water > hexes by Saturday. I will let you know for sure by Friday. > > Mike > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Martin Brumm > <dr....@t-... <mailto:dr....@t-...>> wrote: > > Am 27.11.2013 14:18, schrieb Antero Kuusi: > > We found a map error in 1880 module. Rails map has large double city > > in hex H8 (tile -80020) while it should be medium double city > > (-80002). That error makes the Belgian investor unusable as it really > > needs a double small station in the hex. > > > > Antero > > > Hello Antero, > > unfortunately you are right. This bug is confirmed and fixed in the > latest commit. I will push a new release on Saturday, to incoporate > other fixes. I know Michael is looking into a problem regarding the > value calculation while traveling over multiple water hexes in 1880. > > Thanks again for reporting the bug. > > Martin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility > into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of > AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > <mailto:Rai...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-27 22:27:15
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Martin: one important change (also relates to the issue of the exceptions in the toString() method mentioned in a previous mail) in Rails 2.0 is the following: All (Rails)Items use the method toText() for the text to be shown in UI display. The default implementation is to show the id of the object. toString() usually should not be overwritten, as it is only used for debugging in 18xx.log and the default implementation works fine. This allows to have different text for logging and UI display, which made reading the logging sometimes difficult in Rails 1.x. So if you have overwritten toString() in 1880 specific classes, simply change that into overwriting toText() instead both exceptions and displayed text should work correctly again. Stefan On 11/27/2013 10:17 PM, Martin Brumm wrote: > Ok, > > got the Startup fixed. StartRound is now displaying correctly. But the > StatusWindow is showing some interesting Strings instead of the expected > empty fields :) > > On for some more debugging there. > > Regards, > Martin > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: John D. G. <jd...@di...> - 2013-11-27 22:19:48
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How do I get permission to edit the wiki? |
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-27 21:18:11
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Ok, got the Startup fixed. StartRound is now displaying correctly. But the StatusWindow is showing some interesting Strings instead of the expected empty fields :) On for some more debugging there. Regards, Martin |
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From: Michael A. <out...@gm...> - 2013-11-27 20:31:23
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Martin,
I don't think I'm going to get to the fix for the multiple water hexes
by Saturday. I will let you know for sure by Friday.
Mike
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Martin Brumm
<dr....@t-...>wrote:
> Am 27.11.2013 14:18, schrieb Antero Kuusi:
> > We found a map error in 1880 module. Rails map has large double city
> > in hex H8 (tile -80020) while it should be medium double city
> > (-80002). That error makes the Belgian investor unusable as it really
> > needs a double small station in the hex.
> >
> > Antero
> >
> Hello Antero,
>
> unfortunately you are right. This bug is confirmed and fixed in the
> latest commit. I will push a new release on Saturday, to incoporate
> other fixes. I know Michael is looking into a problem regarding the
> value calculation while traveling over multiple water hexes in 1880.
>
> Thanks again for reporting the bug.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT
> organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance
> affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your
> Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics
> Pro!
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel
>
>
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-27 19:32:28
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Am 27.11.2013 20:19, schrieb Martin Brumm:
> Am 27.11.2013 12:44, schrieb Stefan Frey:
>> Martin:
>> OK if no save file is possible, could you please forward your 18xx.log?
>> If I start an 1880 game, it starts with a StockRound, however no
>> commands are highlighted in for the first player.
>>
>> During setup of the game there is an error raised during creation of the
>> private company JO, related to issues by creation of BuildingPermit
>> objects. This exception is due to the fact that the constructor of
>> BuildingPermit is protected only, it has to be public. However there are
>> follow-up errors in the creation of Building Permit.
>>
>> I cannot see any exception related to OperatingRoundControl_1880.
>>
>> Where and when is this class created?
>>
>> Most likely I will have to re-read the 1880 rules now ;-)
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> the problem raises its head in ChangeSet.addChange at the attempt to Add
> the new Special Property with
> the key/value Pair :key
> "/CompanyManager/Private/JO/SpecialProperty_1" (id=83) newValue
> AddBuildingPermit (id=53)
>
> into the HashMapState{uri=/items}...
>
>
> And yes i admit that there might be a number of other bugs coming up...
>
> Kind Regards,
> Martin
>
>
>
> Hi Stefan,
the problem was that the new class used a not yet defined value in its
toString()-method.
Apparently this method was declared but not used directly anywhere so
far (at least i havent found the use). But of course a non existing
reference lead to a null pointer exception.
Guess we have to check all of our new classes for the fact that now at
creation the toString() method is called :)
Regards,
Martin
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-27 19:19:19
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Am 27.11.2013 12:44, schrieb Stefan Frey:
> Martin:
> OK if no save file is possible, could you please forward your 18xx.log?
> If I start an 1880 game, it starts with a StockRound, however no
> commands are highlighted in for the first player.
>
> During setup of the game there is an error raised during creation of the
> private company JO, related to issues by creation of BuildingPermit
> objects. This exception is due to the fact that the constructor of
> BuildingPermit is protected only, it has to be public. However there are
> follow-up errors in the creation of Building Permit.
>
> I cannot see any exception related to OperatingRoundControl_1880.
>
> Where and when is this class created?
>
> Most likely I will have to re-read the 1880 rules now ;-)
>
> Stefan
>
>
Hi Stefan,
the problem raises its head in ChangeSet.addChange at the attempt to Add
the new Special Property with
the key/value Pair :key
"/CompanyManager/Private/JO/SpecialProperty_1" (id=83) newValue
AddBuildingPermit (id=53)
into the HashMapState{uri=/items}...
And yes i admit that there might be a number of other bugs coming up...
Kind Regards,
Martin
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-27 19:12:32
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Am 27.11.2013 14:18, schrieb Antero Kuusi: > We found a map error in 1880 module. Rails map has large double city > in hex H8 (tile -80020) while it should be medium double city > (-80002). That error makes the Belgian investor unusable as it really > needs a double small station in the hex. > > Antero > Hello Antero, unfortunately you are right. This bug is confirmed and fixed in the latest commit. I will push a new release on Saturday, to incoporate other fixes. I know Michael is looking into a problem regarding the value calculation while traveling over multiple water hexes in 1880. Thanks again for reporting the bug. Martin |
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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-27 11:45:04
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Martin: OK if no save file is possible, could you please forward your 18xx.log? If I start an 1880 game, it starts with a StockRound, however no commands are highlighted in for the first player. During setup of the game there is an error raised during creation of the private company JO, related to issues by creation of BuildingPermit objects. This exception is due to the fact that the constructor of BuildingPermit is protected only, it has to be public. However there are follow-up errors in the creation of Building Permit. I cannot see any exception related to OperatingRoundControl_1880. Where and when is this class created? Most likely I will have to re-read the 1880 rules now ;-) Stefan On 11/26/2013 06:43 PM, Stefan Frey wrote: > Martin: can you please send me an example save file? > Most likely due to the changed creation of Round objects. > Stefan > > > On 11/24/2013 07:28 PM, Martin Brumm wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> please have a look at the specific_1880 branch. Its now switched to >> rails2.0. No compile error but on runtime it bails because it doesnt >> find the Class OperatingRoundControl_1880... >> >> Perhaps someone out there can tell me what goes wrong :) >> >> Regards, >> Martin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Shape the Mobile Experience: Free Subscription >> Software experts and developers: Be at the forefront of tech innovation. >> Intel(R) Software Adrenaline delivers strategic insight and game-changing >> conversations that shape the rapidly evolving mobile landscape. Sign up now. >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63431311&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails-devel mailing list >> Rai...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your > Java,.NET, & PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-26 17:43:43
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Martin: can you please send me an example save file? Most likely due to the changed creation of Round objects. Stefan On 11/24/2013 07:28 PM, Martin Brumm wrote: > Hi Guys, > > please have a look at the specific_1880 branch. Its now switched to > rails2.0. No compile error but on runtime it bails because it doesnt > find the Class OperatingRoundControl_1880... > > Perhaps someone out there can tell me what goes wrong :) > > Regards, > Martin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shape the Mobile Experience: Free Subscription > Software experts and developers: Be at the forefront of tech innovation. > Intel(R) Software Adrenaline delivers strategic insight and game-changing > conversations that shape the rapidly evolving mobile landscape. Sign up now. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63431311&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-24 18:29:06
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Hi Guys, please have a look at the specific_1880 branch. Its now switched to rails2.0. No compile error but on runtime it bails because it doesnt find the Class OperatingRoundControl_1880... Perhaps someone out there can tell me what goes wrong :) Regards, Martin |
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-18 22:10:43
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Hello to all rails fans, 1.8.3. got released today. It fixes a number of bugs and glitches related to 1880 code. Our thanks go out to all the testers who sent us their reports in the last 4 weeks. The bugs reported have all been squashed (and a few more glitches that raised their heads in internal testing of the endgame). We advise people to use the Special Power of the Engineer (Building Permit in Phase D additionally) in Phase C or earlier. Currently it is possible to use the power on any turn but it wont enable the tile laying if its used in Phase D and not before for that particular turn of the target company, later turns are fine though. Contributors: Michael Alexander Martin Brumm Lars Myrin - Testing jr...@gm... - Testing Thiago Penteado - Testing Antero Kuusi - Testing Stefan Frey Stephen Yu - Testing Many thanks to all of you. The game should now be able to played with all features. If you encounter any unusual behaviour please dont hesitate to contact us via the rails-user list and remember to send a savefile! Have fun in playing (and maybe testing). Martin |
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From: Martin B. <dr....@t-...> - 2013-11-14 18:46:04
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Am 14.11.2013 13:53, schrieb Stefan Frey: > Adding 1880 to the GameSetupWindow is easy: > > It only requires editing the gameslist.xml ;-) > Done! > Nono :) Spoilsport: you should really add the game code to 2.0 :) All that effort by Erik, Michael and someone else should not go wasted there :). Regards, Martin |
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From: Andrew M. <A.J...@bc...> - 2013-11-14 17:45:44
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>> P.s. For curiosity reasons, the 1880 tree is pretty special, what was/is your interest in digging through that ? :) My mistake - I cloned the repository and updated to the latest commit, which happens to be in the rails1.7.12_1880 branch. Thanks, Andrew |
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From: brett l. <bre...@gm...> - 2013-11-14 14:59:07
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Even if games are at slightly different points in their testing, if they're not feature complete, they're not "Fully Playable". So, I don't see a strong need to distinguish 1835 from 1880 by using a fine-grained classification scale. Saying they're both at the "testing" stage conveys enough information to say that we have a high confidence that bugs will be encountered during some/most play sessions. If we start to see a distinction, it's probably because 1835 is almost ready to be marked "Stable" while 1880 has a ways to go still. So, what I'd suggest is to define the criteria we're using to classify these things and be as objective as possible about it. For example: - "In Development" - At least the XML has been written. - "Alpha" - Most major features implemented, needs lots of testing. Unlikely that you'll complete a full game. - "Beta" - All features implemented, but still could have major bugs. Full games are possible at least 50% of the time. - "Stable" - Fully implemented and tested. If any bugs are found, they will be minor. Playing nearly all games to completion can be expected. In this case, 1835 is definitely "Beta", but close to ready to be marked "Stable", while 1880 is more on the line between "Alpha" and "Beta". ---Brett. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > About mature and stable: > Maybe the wording is confusing, however I prefer to distinguish between > those games which have been out in the wild for some times and those > which the developers thought are feature completed. > > Concrete example: > How would you qualify 1835 and 1880 currently (in Rails 1.x)? > > I think it is clear that neither of them is as robust for play as 1830, > 1856 and 18EU. > > Are both still in testing? However 1835 seems much better than 1880. > > Or is 1835 already stable/mature, even it still has some bugs open? > Or is 1880 still under development. > > My idea is doing the same as you and Erik did in the past, put games > soon into higher categories to give incentives to the players. > > So my proposal would be: > Mature: 1830 and derivatives, 1856, 18EU > "Recently released": 1835 > "Released for Testing": 1880 > > Stefan > > > On 11/14/2013 03:01 PM, brett lentz wrote: > > The way I'd used them in the past is this: > > > > - Fully Playable = You can complete a game. It's feature complete. > > - Partially Playable = You can start a game, but probably won't be able > > to finish it. > > - Not Yet Playable = You probably can't even get through the initial > > auction or first turn. > > > > I'm not sure what "In Development" and "Prototype" would signify beyond > > the original couple of labels. > > > > Originally, this setup was to help signify to users which games they > > could play through with the expectation of completing and which games, > > if they played them, they'd be helping to QA more than they'd be playing. > > > > I'm fine with relabeling these however makes sense. The distinction > > between "Mature" and "Stable" seems to be splitting hairs a bit. I'd > > suggest using only one and not both. > > > > ---Brett. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we... > > <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote: > > > > Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) > are > > pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing > cycle, > > I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to > > name it? "Mature", "Stable"? > > > > We have > > "Fully Playable" (see above) > > "Partial Playable" (none) > > "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) > > "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) > > "In development" (1837). > > > > However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? > > > > Maybe we should have something like: > > > > * Fully Playable with qualification: > > -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) > > -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) > > -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be > resolved) > > > > * Partially Playable > > (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect > not > > to finish games) > > > > * In development > > (All xml files ready, started coding) > > > > * Prototype > > (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) > > > > Thoughts? > > Stefan > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 > > From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... <mailto:ste...@we...>> > > To: rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > > > In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further > > bidding after a pass: > > > > => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to > "No" > > as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. > > > > => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of > the > > 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" > too) > > and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if > > there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default > > should be set to the wording in that rule book. > > > > Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have > > created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails > > for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to > the > > users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level > > for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" > or > > "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, > > compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: > > > Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players > > in the > > > game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing > > rather > > > than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson > > <jer...@ya... <mailto:jer...@ya...> > > > <mailto:jer...@ya... <mailto:jer...@ya...>>> > wrote: > > > > > > Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. > > > "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another > turn > > > before the auction ends." > > > > > > *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... > > <mailto:jus...@gm...> > > > <mailto:jus...@gm... > > <mailto:jus...@gm...>>> > > > *To:* rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > > <mailto:rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...>> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM > > > *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > > > > > Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am > > involved > > > in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four > > > players and during the initial private auction encountered a > very > > > minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with > intimate > > > knowledge of the code. > > > > > > There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and > > after > > > the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player > to > > > have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the > > bids and > > > then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted > > as the > > > next active player with the option to bid again or pass. 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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-14 14:18:02
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About mature and stable: Maybe the wording is confusing, however I prefer to distinguish between those games which have been out in the wild for some times and those which the developers thought are feature completed. Concrete example: How would you qualify 1835 and 1880 currently (in Rails 1.x)? I think it is clear that neither of them is as robust for play as 1830, 1856 and 18EU. Are both still in testing? However 1835 seems much better than 1880. Or is 1835 already stable/mature, even it still has some bugs open? Or is 1880 still under development. My idea is doing the same as you and Erik did in the past, put games soon into higher categories to give incentives to the players. So my proposal would be: Mature: 1830 and derivatives, 1856, 18EU "Recently released": 1835 "Released for Testing": 1880 Stefan On 11/14/2013 03:01 PM, brett lentz wrote: > The way I'd used them in the past is this: > > - Fully Playable = You can complete a game. It's feature complete. > - Partially Playable = You can start a game, but probably won't be able > to finish it. > - Not Yet Playable = You probably can't even get through the initial > auction or first turn. > > I'm not sure what "In Development" and "Prototype" would signify beyond > the original couple of labels. > > Originally, this setup was to help signify to users which games they > could play through with the expectation of completing and which games, > if they played them, they'd be helping to QA more than they'd be playing. > > I'm fine with relabeling these however makes sense. The distinction > between "Mature" and "Stable" seems to be splitting hairs a bit. I'd > suggest using only one and not both. > > ---Brett. > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we... > <mailto:ste...@we...>> wrote: > > Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) are > pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing cycle, > I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to > name it? "Mature", "Stable"? > > We have > "Fully Playable" (see above) > "Partial Playable" (none) > "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) > "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) > "In development" (1837). > > However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? > > Maybe we should have something like: > > * Fully Playable with qualification: > -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) > -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) > -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be resolved) > > * Partially Playable > (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect not > to finish games) > > * In development > (All xml files ready, started coding) > > * Prototype > (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) > > Thoughts? > Stefan > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 > From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... <mailto:ste...@we...>> > To: rai...@li... > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further > bidding after a pass: > > => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to "No" > as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. > > => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of the > 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" too) > and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if > there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default > should be set to the wording in that rule book. > > Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have > created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails > for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to the > users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level > for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" or > "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, > compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. > > Stefan > > > > On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: > > Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players > in the > > game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing > rather > > than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson > <jer...@ya... <mailto:jer...@ya...> > > <mailto:jer...@ya... <mailto:jer...@ya...>>> wrote: > > > > Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. > > "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another turn > > before the auction ends." > > > > *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... > <mailto:jus...@gm...> > > <mailto:jus...@gm... > <mailto:jus...@gm...>>> > > *To:* rai...@li... > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > <mailto:rai...@li... > <mailto:rai...@li...>> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM > > *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > > > Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am > involved > > in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four > > players and during the initial private auction encountered a very > > minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with intimate > > knowledge of the code. > > > > There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and > after > > the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player to > > have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the > bids and > > then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted > as the > > next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The > player > > should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this case. > > Easy to work around for now. > > > > Thanks! > > Justin > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & > Native Apps > > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External > API Access > > Free app hosting. 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From: brett l. <bre...@gm...> - 2013-11-14 14:01:32
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The way I'd used them in the past is this: - Fully Playable = You can complete a game. It's feature complete. - Partially Playable = You can start a game, but probably won't be able to finish it. - Not Yet Playable = You probably can't even get through the initial auction or first turn. I'm not sure what "In Development" and "Prototype" would signify beyond the original couple of labels. Originally, this setup was to help signify to users which games they could play through with the expectation of completing and which games, if they played them, they'd be helping to QA more than they'd be playing. I'm fine with relabeling these however makes sense. The distinction between "Mature" and "Stable" seems to be splitting hairs a bit. I'd suggest using only one and not both. ---Brett. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> wrote: > Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) are > pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing cycle, > I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to > name it? "Mature", "Stable"? > > We have > "Fully Playable" (see above) > "Partial Playable" (none) > "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) > "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) > "In development" (1837). > > However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? > > Maybe we should have something like: > > * Fully Playable with qualification: > -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) > -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) > -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be resolved) > > * Partially Playable > (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect not > to finish games) > > * In development > (All xml files ready, started coding) > > * Prototype > (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) > > Thoughts? > Stefan > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 > From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> > To: rai...@li... > > In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further > bidding after a pass: > > => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to "No" > as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. > > => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of the > 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" too) > and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if > there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default > should be set to the wording in that rule book. > > Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have > created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails > for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to the > users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level > for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" or > "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, > compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. > > Stefan > > > > On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: > > Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players in the > > game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing rather > > than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson <jer...@ya... > > <mailto:jer...@ya...>> wrote: > > > > Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. > > "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another turn > > before the auction ends." > > > > *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... > > <mailto:jus...@gm...>> > > *To:* rai...@li... > > <mailto:rai...@li...> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM > > *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > > > Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am involved > > in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four > > players and during the initial private auction encountered a very > > minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with intimate > > knowledge of the code. > > > > There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and after > > the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player to > > have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the bids and > > then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted as the > > next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The player > > should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this case. > > Easy to work around for now. > > > > Thanks! > > Justin > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native > Apps > > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > > Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP > server. > > Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and > Native! > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-users mailing list > > Rai...@li... > > <mailto:Rai...@li...> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > > Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. > > Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! > > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-users mailing list > > Rai...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > Free app hosting. 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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-14 12:53:30
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Adding 1880 to the GameSetupWindow is easy: It only requires editing the gameslist.xml ;-) Done! On 11/14/2013 01:47 PM, Dr....@t-... wrote: > 1880 comes to my mind :) > > *Von:* Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> > > *An:* Development list for Rails: an 18xx game > <rai...@li...> > > *Betreff:* Re: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for > different 18xx games in Rails (was: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private > auction) > > *Datum:* Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:21:44 +0100 > > That is a good idea. > > The missing bit I am currently working on, and that I have to finish to > > release an alpha version of Rails 2.0 is the GameSetupWindow, that was > > the reason to bring that up at the moment. > > So if there are others features people would love to see there, it is a > > good time to bring them to my attention now. > > However I will only add the easy ones immediately ;-) > > On 11/14/2013 12:27 PM, Phil Davies wrote: > > > I like these definitions, tidies things up a bit. > > > > > > Maybe an addition to the game setup screen that lists the definition > > > as you have stated it above? Most users aren't going to check the > > > wiki after downloading the software > > > > > > On 14 November 2013 10:11, Dr....@t-... > <javascript:void(0)> > > > <Dr....@t-... <javascript:void(0)>> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Stefan, > > >> > > >> sounds good and should find its way into the general announcement > page of > > >> Rails, the wiki and into the Readme imho. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Martin > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Von: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... <javascript:void(0)>> > > >> > > >> An: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game > > >> <rai...@li... <javascript:void(0)>> > > >> > > >> Betreff: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for > different > > >> 18xx games in Rails (was: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction) > > >> > > >> Datum: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:44:51 +0100 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) are > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing cycle, > > >> > > >> I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to > > >> > > >> name it? "Mature", "Stable"? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> We have > > >> > > >> "Fully Playable" (see above) > > >> > > >> "Partial Playable" (none) > > >> > > >> "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) > > >> > > >> "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) > > >> > > >> "In development" (1837). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Maybe we should have something like: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> * Fully Playable with qualification: > > >> > > >> -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) > > >> > > >> -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) > > >> > > >> -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be resolved) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> * Partially Playable > > >> > > >> (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect not > > >> > > >> to finish games) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> * In development > > >> > > >> (All xml files ready, started coding) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> * Prototype > > >> > > >> (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Thoughts? > > >> > > >> Stefan > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------- Original Message -------- > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > >> > > >> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 > > >> > > >> From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... <javascript:void(0)>> > > >> > > >> To: rai...@li... <javascript:void(0)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further > > >> > > >> bidding after a pass: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to "No" > > >> > > >> as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of the > > >> > > >> 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" too) > > >> > > >> and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if > > >> > > >> there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default > > >> > > >> should be set to the wording in that rule book. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have > > >> > > >> created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails > > >> > > >> for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to the > > >> > > >> users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level > > >> > > >> for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" or > > >> > > >> "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, > > >> > > >> compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Stefan > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: > > >> > > >>> Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players > in the > > >> > > >>> game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing rather > > >> > > >>> than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson > <jer...@ya... <javascript:void(0)> > > >> > > >>> <jer...@ya... <javascript:void(0)>>> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. > > >> > > >>> "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another turn > > >> > > >>> before the auction ends." > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... <javascript:void(0)> > > >> > > >>> <jus...@gm... <javascript:void(0)>>> > > >> > > >>> *To:* rai...@li... <javascript:void(0)> > > >> > > >>> <rai...@li... <javascript:void(0)>> > > >> > > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM > > >> > > >>> *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am involved > > >> > > >>> in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four > > >> > > >>> players and during the initial private auction encountered a very > > >> > > >>> minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with intimate > > >> > > >>> knowledge of the code. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and after > > >> > > >>> the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player to > > >> > > >>> have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the bids and > > >> > > >>> then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted as the > > >> > > >>> next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The player > > >> > > >>> should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this case. > > >> > > >>> Easy to work around for now. > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> Thanks! > > >> > > >>> Justin > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >>> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > > >> > > >>> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > > >> > > >>> Free app hosting. 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1880 comes to my mind :) Von: Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> An: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game <rai...@li...> Betreff: Re: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for different 18xx games in Rails (was: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction) Datum: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:21:44 +0100 That is a good idea. The missing bit I am currently working on, and that I have to finish to release an alpha version of Rails 2.0 is the GameSetupWindow, that was the reason to bring that up at the moment. So if there are others features people would love to see there, it is a good time to bring them to my attention now. However I will only add the easy ones immediately ;-) On 11/14/2013 12:27 PM, Phil Davies wrote: > I like these definitions, tidies things up a bit. > > Maybe an addition to the game setup screen that lists the definition > as you have stated it above? Most users aren't going to check the > wiki after downloading the software > > On 14 November 2013 10:11, Dr....@t-... [1] > <Dr....@t-... [2]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Stefan, >> >> sounds good and should find its way into the general announcement page of >> Rails, the wiki and into the Readme imho. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> Von: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... [3]> >> >> An: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game >> <rai...@li... [4]> >> >> Betreff: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for different >> 18xx games in Rails (was: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction) >> >> Datum: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:44:51 +0100 >> >> >> >> >> >> Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) are >> >> >> >> pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing cycle, >> >> I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to >> >> name it? "Mature", "Stable"? >> >> >> >> We have >> >> "Fully Playable" (see above) >> >> "Partial Playable" (none) >> >> "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) >> >> "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) >> >> "In development" (1837). >> >> >> >> However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? >> >> >> >> Maybe we should have something like: >> >> >> >> * Fully Playable with qualification: >> >> -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) >> >> -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) >> >> -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be resolved) >> >> >> >> * Partially Playable >> >> (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect not >> >> to finish games) >> >> >> >> * In development >> >> (All xml files ready, started coding) >> >> >> >> * Prototype >> >> (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Stefan >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction >> >> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 >> >> From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we... [5]> >> >> To: rai...@li... [6] >> >> >> >> In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further >> >> bidding after a pass: >> >> >> >> => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to "No" >> >> as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. >> >> >> >> => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of the >> >> 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" too) >> >> and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if >> >> there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default >> >> should be set to the wording in that rule book. >> >> >> >> Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have >> >> created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails >> >> for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to the >> >> users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level >> >> for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" or >> >> "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, >> >> compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. >> >> >> >> Stefan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: >> >>> Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players in the >> >>> game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing rather >> >>> than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson <jer...@ya... [7] >> >>> <jer...@ya... [8]>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. >> >>> "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another turn >> >>> before the auction ends." >> >>> >> >>> *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... [9] >> >>> <jus...@gm... [10]>> >> >>> *To:* rai...@li... [11] >> >>> <rai...@li... [12]> >> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM >> >>> *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction >> >>> >> >>> Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am involved >> >>> in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four >> >>> players and during the initial private auction encountered a very >> >>> minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with intimate >> >>> knowledge of the code. >> >>> >> >>> There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and after >> >>> the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player to >> >>> have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the bids and >> >>> then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted as the >> >>> next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The player >> >>> should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this case. >> >>> Easy to work around for now. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks! >> >>> Justin >> >>> >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >>> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >>> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >>> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk [13] >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Rails-users mailing list >> >>> Rai...@li... [14] >> >>> <Rai...@li... [15]> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users [16] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >>> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >>> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >>> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk [17] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Rails-users mailing list >> >>> Rai...@li... [18] >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users [19] >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk [20] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rails-users mailing list >> >> Rai...@li... [21] >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users [22] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk [23] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rails-devel mailing list >> >> Rai...@li... 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From: Stefan F. <ste...@we...> - 2013-11-14 12:21:54
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That is a good idea. The missing bit I am currently working on, and that I have to finish to release an alpha version of Rails 2.0 is the GameSetupWindow, that was the reason to bring that up at the moment. So if there are others features people would love to see there, it is a good time to bring them to my attention now. However I will only add the easy ones immediately ;-) On 11/14/2013 12:27 PM, Phil Davies wrote: > I like these definitions, tidies things up a bit. > > Maybe an addition to the game setup screen that lists the definition > as you have stated it above? Most users aren't going to check the > wiki after downloading the software > > On 14 November 2013 10:11, Dr....@t-... > <Dr....@t-...> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Stefan, >> >> sounds good and should find its way into the general announcement page of >> Rails, the wiki and into the Readme imho. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> Von: Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> >> >> An: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game >> <rai...@li...> >> >> Betreff: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for different >> 18xx games in Rails (was: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction) >> >> Datum: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:44:51 +0100 >> >> >> >> >> >> Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) are >> >> >> >> pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing cycle, >> >> I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to >> >> name it? "Mature", "Stable"? >> >> >> >> We have >> >> "Fully Playable" (see above) >> >> "Partial Playable" (none) >> >> "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) >> >> "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) >> >> "In development" (1837). >> >> >> >> However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? >> >> >> >> Maybe we should have something like: >> >> >> >> * Fully Playable with qualification: >> >> -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) >> >> -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) >> >> -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be resolved) >> >> >> >> * Partially Playable >> >> (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect not >> >> to finish games) >> >> >> >> * In development >> >> (All xml files ready, started coding) >> >> >> >> * Prototype >> >> (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Stefan >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction >> >> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 >> >> From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> >> >> To: rai...@li... >> >> >> >> In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further >> >> bidding after a pass: >> >> >> >> => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to "No" >> >> as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. >> >> >> >> => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of the >> >> 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" too) >> >> and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if >> >> there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default >> >> should be set to the wording in that rule book. >> >> >> >> Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have >> >> created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails >> >> for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to the >> >> users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level >> >> for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" or >> >> "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, >> >> compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. >> >> >> >> Stefan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: >> >>> Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players in the >> >>> game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing rather >> >>> than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson <jer...@ya... >> >>> <jer...@ya...>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. >> >>> "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another turn >> >>> before the auction ends." >> >>> >> >>> *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... >> >>> <jus...@gm...>> >> >>> *To:* rai...@li... >> >>> <rai...@li...> >> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM >> >>> *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction >> >>> >> >>> Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am involved >> >>> in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four >> >>> players and during the initial private auction encountered a very >> >>> minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with intimate >> >>> knowledge of the code. >> >>> >> >>> There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and after >> >>> the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player to >> >>> have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the bids and >> >>> then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted as the >> >>> next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The player >> >>> should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this case. >> >>> Easy to work around for now. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks! >> >>> Justin >> >>> >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >>> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >>> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >>> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Rails-users mailing list >> >>> Rai...@li... >> >>> <Rai...@li...> >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >>> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >>> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >>> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >>> >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Rails-users mailing list >> >>> Rai...@li... >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rails-users mailing list >> >> Rai...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Rails-devel mailing list >> >> Rai...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> _______________________________________________ >> Rails-devel mailing list >> Rai...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. > Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Rails-devel mailing list > Rai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-devel > |
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From: Phil D. <de...@gm...> - 2013-11-14 11:28:10
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I like these definitions, tidies things up a bit. Maybe an addition to the game setup screen that lists the definition as you have stated it above? Most users aren't going to check the wiki after downloading the software On 14 November 2013 10:11, Dr....@t-... <Dr....@t-...> wrote: > > > Hi Stefan, > > sounds good and should find its way into the general announcement page of > Rails, the wiki and into the Readme imho. > > > > Regards, > > Martin > > > > Von: Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> > > An: Development list for Rails: an 18xx game > <rai...@li...> > > Betreff: [Rails-devel] Specification of implementation levels for different > 18xx games in Rails (was: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction) > > Datum: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:44:51 +0100 > > > > > > Given that some games (1830 and all direct derivatives, 1856, 18EU) are > > > > pretty mature and others (1835, 1880) are still in the bug fixing cycle, > > I suggest a new label for the stable games. Any thoughts about how to > > name it? "Mature", "Stable"? > > > > We have > > "Fully Playable" (see above) > > "Partial Playable" (none) > > "Not Yet Playable" (1870, 1825) > > "Prototype" (1826, 18Scan, 18VA) > > "In development" (1837). > > > > However I do not know how the three latter categories really differ? > > > > Maybe we should have something like: > > > > * Fully Playable with qualification: > > -Mature (Only very few minor bugs to be expected) > > -Stable (Only minor bugs to be expected, can be fixed easily) > > -Testing (Major bugs to be expected, can take some time to be resolved) > > > > * Partially Playable > > (All xml files ready, some rules coded, tests possible, but expect not > > to finish games) > > > > * In development > > (All xml files ready, started coding) > > > > * Prototype > > (Only xml definition files, no coding done so far) > > > > Thoughts? > > Stefan > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:01:02 +0100 > > From: Stefan Frey <ste...@we...> > > To: rai...@li... > > > > In fact Rails allows both, exclude or include a player from further > > bidding after a pass: > > > > => It depends on the setting "Leave auction on pass" that is set to "No" > > as default for 18GA. This can be changed at game start. > > > > => If I remember correctly this is not defined in the AH version of the > > 1830 rules. So the option was created for 1830 (default there "No" too) > > and it exists for all 1830 "clones" or "close derivatives", even if > > there is a ruling in the derivative rule book. However the default > > should be set to the wording in that rule book. > > > > Justin: nothing to be embarrassed about. Auction rules of 1830 have > > created various variants over time. The only good thing is that Rails > > for 1830 is so stable, that it is more likely that the bug is due to the > > users perception. Some time ago I proposed to introduce another level > > for those games instead of "fully playable", something like "mature" or > > "stable" to indicate that there are not many bugs to be expected, > > compared to what we have for example for 1835 and 1880 currently. > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > On 11/13/2013 06:17 PM, Justin Rebelo wrote: > >> Wow. That's embarrassing. Sorry for the bogus report. The players in the > >> game all agreed it was a bug and I just went straight to filing rather > >> than reporting. Won't do that again. ;) > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Jerry Anderson <jer...@ya... > >> <jer...@ya...>> wrote: > >> > >> Not a bug. From the rule book - page 7. > >> "A player who has passed may bid later, if he gets another turn > >> before the auction ends." > >> > >> *From:* Justin Rebelo <jus...@gm... > >> <jus...@gm...>> > >> *To:* rai...@li... > >> <rai...@li...> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:04 AM > >> *Subject:* [Rails-users] Bug in 18GA private auction > >> > >> Forgive me if this is not the correct place for this. I am involved > >> in a game of 18GA (using Cotton Port variant map). We are four > >> players and during the initial private auction encountered a very > >> minor bug that is probably an easy fix for someone with intimate > >> knowledge of the code. > >> > >> There were three pending bids on the OSO private company and after > >> the preceding company auction was concluded, the first player to > >> have a bid chose to pass. The next two players raised the bids and > >> then the first player (who had already passed) was prompted as the > >> next active player with the option to bid again or pass. The player > >> should not be able to re-enter the private auction in this case. > >> Easy to work around for now. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Justin > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. > >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! > >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rails-users mailing list > >> Rai...@li... > >> <Rai...@li...> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > >> OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > >> Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. > >> Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! > >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rails-users mailing list > >> Rai...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > > Free app hosting. Or install the open source package on any LAMP server. > > Sign up and see examples for AngularJS, jQuery, Sencha Touch and Native! > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63469471&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > Rails-users mailing list > > Rai...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rails-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > > Free app hosting. 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