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Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] new graphics card

[Tom B. <to...@ne...>]

On Friday 28 July 2006 00:32, vwf wrote:
> Just a few guesses:
> You use a GNU/Linux system.
> Most older distributions use XFree86.
Good guesses. I am using Debian Sarge which uses XFree86.

> Look up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and edit to set the DefaultDepth
>
> Section "Screen"
>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
>         Device          "NVidia GeForce"
>         Monitor         "LG915_FTplus"
>         DefaultDepth    24
> #<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [...]
>         SubSection "Display"
>                 Depth           24
>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768"
> "800x600" EndSubSection
> [...]
> EndSection
>
> Restart and check /var/log/XFree86.0.log

I checked my XF86Config-4 and it was set to use 24 bit colour-depth as 
the default. So, that must not be it. Must be some setting the graphics 
card needs or a problem with the drivers I got from NVIDIA.  The OpenGL 
screen savers work ok though. So that doesn't make much sense to me. My 
application draws very slow.

Thanks,
Tom

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] Newbie trying to run a demo

[Francisco V. <fra...@hi...>]

El lun, 24 de jul de 2006, a las 10:32:25 -0400, Black dijo:
> Well, I can't explain why it can't find items in GLUT.py as the items
> directory should be right there in the same directory. However, you won't be
> able to run anything inside of the items directory because they don't do
> anything themselves - they are just helper files for the GLUT program. When
> you get GLUT.py running, you will find that you can bring up a popup menu
> that allows you to change the current shape to one of the shapes you found
> down in the geometry directory.

Great! this explains all of the second part of my message. And for the
first one? The items directory IS there.
> 
> On 7/24/06, Francisco Vila <fra...@hi...> wrote:
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am running Debian and have installed Python 2.4 and the python-opengl
> >package.
> >
> >When trying to run /usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/suite/Glut.py that
> >has the line:
> >
> >        import items
> >
> >the shell says: ImportError: No module named items

=============

> >
> >Also, trying to run any of the .py examples in
> >/usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/suite/items/GLUT/geometry/
> >
> >that have the line
> >        import items.GLUT.geometry
> >
> >the python shell says:
> >
> >        ImportError: No module named items.GLUT.geometry
> >
> >What am I doing bad? thanks!
> >
> >My version of the package is 2.0.1.09-2.2

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Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] new graphics card

[Tom B. <to...@ne...>]

On Thursday 27 July 2006 07:30, vwf wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 07:05:39AM -0700, Tom Brown wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I recently bought an  XFX Geforce 7800GS graphics card. The
> > pyopengl application I was working on worked fine with my old ATI
> > Radeon 9200 graphics card. Now, the opengl rendering looks
> > terrible.  The specs on the card state that it supports OpenGL 2.0.
> > Is that my problem? Is my card too advanced for the MesaGL I'm
> > using? Any ideas?
>
> A year ago I had a similar problem: increasing the colour-depth to 24
> bit solved it. It may work for you too.
>
Sounds good. How do I change the colour-depth?

Thanks,
Tom

[PyOpenGL-Users] new graphics card

[Tom B. <to...@ne...>]

Hi,

I recently bought an  XFX Geforce 7800GS graphics card. The pyopengl 
application I was working on worked fine with my old ATI Radeon 9200 
graphics card. Now, the opengl rendering looks terrible.  The specs on 
the card state that it supports OpenGL 2.0. Is that my problem? Is my 
card too advanced for the MesaGL I'm using? Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] Newbie trying to run a demo

[Black <chr...@gm...>]

Well, I can't explain why it can't find items in GLUT.py as the items
directory should be right there in the same directory. However, you won't be
able to run anything inside of the items directory because they don't do
anything themselves - they are just helper files for the GLUT program. When
you get GLUT.py running, you will find that you can bring up a popup menu
that allows you to change the current shape to one of the shapes you found
down in the geometry directory.




On 7/24/06, Francisco Vila <fra...@hi...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am running Debian and have installed Python 2.4 and the python-opengl
> package.
>
> When trying to run /usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/suite/Glut.py that
> has the line:
>
>         import items
>
> the shell says: ImportError: No module named items
>
> Also, trying to run any of the .py examples in
> /usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/suite/items/GLUT/geometry/
>
> that have the line
>         import items.GLUT.geometry
>
> the python shell says:
>
>         ImportError: No module named items.GLUT.geometry
>
> What am I doing bad? thanks!
>
> My version of the package is 2.0.1.09-2.2
>
> --
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[PyOpenGL-Users] Newbie trying to run a demo

[Francisco V. <fra...@hi...>]

Hi,

I am running Debian and have installed Python 2.4 and the python-opengl package.

When trying to run /usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/suite/Glut.py that has the line:

	import items

the shell says: ImportError: No module named items

Also, trying to run any of the .py examples in
/usr/share/doc/python-opengl/Demo/suite/items/GLUT/geometry/

that have the line
	import items.GLUT.geometry

the python shell says:

	ImportError: No module named items.GLUT.geometry

What am I doing bad? thanks!

My version of the package is 2.0.1.09-2.2

-- 
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http://www.paconet.org

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Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] gluPerspective arguments ?

[Black <py...@bl...>]

It doesn't matter which order gluPerspective() and gluLookAt() are  
called in...

However, what _does_ matter is that gluLookAt() is supposed to be the  
"view" part of the modelview matrix so you want your OnDraw to look  
more like

             glMatrixMode(GL_PROJECTION)
             glLoadIdentity()
             gluPerspective( some more reasonable arguments )
             glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW)
	    glLoadIdentity()
   	    gluLookAt(x , y, z, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
             glEnable(GL_DEPTH_TEST)
             glEnable(GL_LIGHTING)
             glEnable(GL_LIGHT0)
             # Draw cube

             glBegin(GL_QUADS)
             ....
             glEnd()
             self.SwapBuffers()


As a side note, you probably want the last three arguments to  
gluLookAt() to be 0,1,0 so you aren't lying on your side...

This is probably enough to give you something to look at, but I do  
urge you to spend some more time figuring out what the projection and  
modelview matrices are and what they do before you get too much  
farther. You might also want to look at some more examples of how to  
organize your code - a lot of the stiff you put in your draw()  
function really shouldn't be there.


On Jul 4, 2006, at 12:26 AM, Anders Wallin wrote:

> Greg Ewing wrote:
>>
>>> i.e. could it be that the python wrapper has the near/far arguments
>>> reversed ?
>> I'm using it with near < far without any problems.
>> Maybe there's something weird about the coordinate
>> system you're using?
>
> My OnDraw() looks something like this:
>             glMatrixMode(GL_PROJECTION)
>             glLoadIdentity()
>             gluPerspective(20, 1, 20.0, 1.0)           # why 20 > 1 ?
>             gluLookAt(x , y, z, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
>
>             glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW)
>             glEnable(GL_DEPTH_TEST)
>             glEnable(GL_LIGHTING)
>             glEnable(GL_LIGHT0)
>             # Draw cube
>             glLoadIdentity()
>             glBegin(GL_QUADS)
>             ....
>             glEnd()
>             self.SwapBuffers()
>
>
>
> If anyone has any good ideas on why my gluPerspective works funnily  
> then
> let me know!
> for example, does it make a difference in which order Perspective and
> LookAt are called ?
>
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Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] gluPerspective arguments ?

[Anders W. <and...@he...>]

Greg Ewing wrote:
>
>> i.e. could it be that the python wrapper has the near/far arguments 
>> reversed ?
> I'm using it with near < far without any problems.
> Maybe there's something weird about the coordinate
> system you're using?

My OnDraw() looks something like this:
            glMatrixMode(GL_PROJECTION)
            glLoadIdentity()
            gluPerspective(20, 1, 20.0, 1.0)           # why 20 > 1 ?
            gluLookAt(x , y, z, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

            glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW)
            glEnable(GL_DEPTH_TEST)
            glEnable(GL_LIGHTING)
            glEnable(GL_LIGHT0)
            # Draw cube
            glLoadIdentity()
            glBegin(GL_QUADS)
            ....
            glEnd()
            self.SwapBuffers()



If anyone has any good ideas on why my gluPerspective works funnily then 
let me know!
for example, does it make a difference in which order Perspective and 
LookAt are called ?

-- 
Anders Wallin

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] gluPerspective arguments ?

[Greg E. <gre...@ca...>]

Anders Wallin wrote:

> i.e. could it be that the python wrapper has the near/far arguments 
> reversed ?

I'm using it with near < far without any problems.
Maybe there's something weird about the coordinate
system you're using?

--
Greg

[PyOpenGL-Users] gluPerspective arguments ?

[Anders W. <and...@he...>]

Hi Group, I am a newbie playing around with python and opengl.

I am a bit confused by how gluPerspective works. My book tells me the 
arguments are
gluPerspective( fovy, aspect, near, far)

but I only get a black window whenever near<far, and it seems to work 
much better with something like:
gluPerspective(50, 1, 20.0, 1.0)

i.e. could it be that the python wrapper has the near/far arguments 
reversed ?

-- 
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Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] Ingame Overlays

[Maciej K. <ma...@dg...>]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 04:43:28PM +0100, Rowan wrote:
> Just to make sure you understood my intentions and I don't go off
> chasing rainbows, I want to use this HUD ontop of any game, not one
> release by me. e.g. Battlefield 2 or World or Warcraft, or whatever.
> With that inmind does your suggestions still hold true.

Ahhh, that is a very different ball of yarn.  I don't think that's possible
with PyOpenGL.  In fact I don't think you can do it with OpenGL at all... this
seems more like a lower-level, platform/windowing system specific thing.   If
you're looking at Windows in particular, then maybe, mayyyybe, DirectX allows
an external program (i.e., your program) to "break into" the graphical context
of another (i.e., the game).  More likely is that you need to do some Windows
higher-magic through some other API (e.g., your app would read the game's
window, to see what was rendered, modify it, and then write it back into the
game window).  

To sum up: what you propose is very non-trivial to do, is very
platform-specific, and would need a fair bit of intimate knowledge of the OS
API.  

Considering your situation, I think the best bet for you is to Google
around and try to find a project that has attempted to do something similar.
This will be Windows-specific stuff, and will likely have very little to do
with OpenGL or DirectX (but it may involve one of the other Direct* thingies
under Windows; I know very little about them).

-- 
Maciej Kalisiak       mac "at" dgp.toronto.edu       www.dgp.toronto.edu/~mac

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] Ingame Overlays

[Rowan <row...@gm...>]

Thanks for your replay Maciej,

Just to make sure you understood my intentions and I don't go off
chasing rainbows, I want to use this HUD ontop of any game, not one
release by me. e.g. Battlefield 2 or World or Warcraft, or whatever.
With that inmind does your suggestions still hold true.


On 6/22/06, Maciej Kalisiak <ma...@dg...> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 07:48:37AM +0100, Rowan wrote:
> > I am thinking of embarking on a project to create an in-game mp3
> > player control. This control will be brought into the foreground of
> > the game.
> >
> > My question is it possible to overlay or bring to the very foreground
> > a graphical control on top of any directx or opengl game, using
> > pyopengl?
>
> This is relatively trivial to do in OpenGL in general.  Many games do
> something similar for all kinds of "Heads-Up Display".  A good way of thinking
> about this is to imagine that your view of the game world comes from a camera
> placed in this world.  To create a HUD, or anything else that appears to
> overlay the view, imagine affixing a sheet of glass, perpendicular to the
> viewing direction, some small fixed distance from the camera lens (say, 3
> feet or 1 meter). Wherever you turn the camera, you're always looking through
> the same piece of glass.  Then you can start "scribbling" stuff on this piece
> of glass, such as current # of points earned, log messages, chat windows, etc.
>
> To implement this your rendering routine usually would look like this:
> - first, draw your game world as usual
> - reset the projection matrix, preferrably using gluOrtho, and disable depth
>   testing (i.e., glDisable(GL_DEPTH)); this allows you to write & draw stuff
>   using simple 2D graphics, and turning off depth testing ensures that you
>   fully overwrite what's already shown on screen
> - now draw your user interface/overlay stuff
>
> Here's a rough snippet from my render code:
>
>   # draw the gameworld as usual
>   draw_world()
>
>   # setup the projection for Heads-Up Display
>   w, h = get_window_size()
>   glMatrixMode(GL_PROJECTION)
>   glLoadIdentity()
>   glOrtho(0, w, 0, h, 0.1, 1)
>   glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW)
>   glLoadIdentity()
>   glDisable(GL_DEPTH_TEST)
>
>   # draw all the overlay stuff
>   draw_hud()
>
> Good luck,
>
> --
> Maciej Kalisiak       mac "at" dgp.toronto.edu       www.dgp.toronto.edu/~mac
>

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] Ingame Overlays

[Maciej K. <ma...@dg...>]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 07:48:37AM +0100, Rowan wrote:
> I am thinking of embarking on a project to create an in-game mp3
> player control. This control will be brought into the foreground of
> the game.
> 
> My question is it possible to overlay or bring to the very foreground
> a graphical control on top of any directx or opengl game, using
> pyopengl?

This is relatively trivial to do in OpenGL in general.  Many games do
something similar for all kinds of "Heads-Up Display".  A good way of thinking
about this is to imagine that your view of the game world comes from a camera
placed in this world.  To create a HUD, or anything else that appears to
overlay the view, imagine affixing a sheet of glass, perpendicular to the
viewing direction, some small fixed distance from the camera lens (say, 3
feet or 1 meter). Wherever you turn the camera, you're always looking through
the same piece of glass.  Then you can start "scribbling" stuff on this piece
of glass, such as current # of points earned, log messages, chat windows, etc.

To implement this your rendering routine usually would look like this:
- first, draw your game world as usual
- reset the projection matrix, preferrably using gluOrtho, and disable depth
  testing (i.e., glDisable(GL_DEPTH)); this allows you to write & draw stuff
  using simple 2D graphics, and turning off depth testing ensures that you
  fully overwrite what's already shown on screen
- now draw your user interface/overlay stuff

Here's a rough snippet from my render code:

  # draw the gameworld as usual
  draw_world()

  # setup the projection for Heads-Up Display
  w, h = get_window_size()
  glMatrixMode(GL_PROJECTION)
  glLoadIdentity()
  glOrtho(0, w, 0, h, 0.1, 1)
  glMatrixMode(GL_MODELVIEW)
  glLoadIdentity()
  glDisable(GL_DEPTH_TEST)

  # draw all the overlay stuff
  draw_hud()
            
Good luck,

-- 
Maciej Kalisiak       mac "at" dgp.toronto.edu       www.dgp.toronto.edu/~mac

[PyOpenGL-Users] Ingame Overlays

[Rowan <row...@gm...>]

Hello,

I am thinking of embarking on a project to create an in-game mp3
player control. This control will be brought into the foreground of
the game.

My question is it possible to overlay or bring to the very foreground
a graphical control on top of any directx or opengl game, using
pyopengl?

The system would work similar to xfire, an in game messaging program
for windows. This program creates a "window" in the foreground of the
game you are playing to allow you to type messages to other players.

If opengl is over kill or isn't able to complete the task, could you
direct me to another method or GUI.

Please reply in non-esoteric terms as I am new to python and opengl,
and am using this project as a learning tool for python.

Regards.

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Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] how do I build PyOpenGL-2.0.2.01?

[Silverstein <he...@sc...>]

David Reed wrote:
> 
> On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Silverstein wrote:
> 
> > I would like to build 2.0.2.01 since this says it is compatible with
> > version 1.23 swig wrappers (we use 1.21 now for other python wrappers
> > but we could upgrade to 23, downgrading to 13 is not possible).
> >
> > I downloaded the tar.gz and unpacked it, but I cannot find any
> > documentation on how to build this, nor is it obvious how to do so
> > from
> > looking at the files.
> >
> > Can someone provide build instructions?
> >
> > I'm on redhat 7.3.
> >
> > Herc
> 
> Are you really stuck with Red Hat 7.3 - that is ancient (2002 I
> believe) in terms of Linux/open source development so my guess is you
> will have trouble getting it to compile.
> 

Yes, sadly.  We have to build on RH7.3 because we have many customers to
support.  So we have to use something old.

> There are instructions for compiling from source here:
> 
> http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/documentation/installation.html
> 

Thanks.  These are the same instructions I had been following:

I noticed I was missing a setup.py; so I couldn't figure out how this
could work.  Now I see that the size of my downloaded .tar.gz is
slightly smaller than it should be.  And indeed it was incomplete.

Using 'python setup.py build_ext --force install' builds!

Thanks,

Herc

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] [PyOpenGL-Devel] Ctype autogen summary?

[Mike C. F. <mcf...@vr...>]

Mark Heslep wrote:
> I'm trying to gather the lessons-learned so far on the great ctypes - 
> PyOpengl work, especially with respect to the auto generated wrappers.  
> Id like to do the same w/ another large (larger) OS project  (OpenCv).  
> So far I have:
>     -pulled the ctypes branch from CVS
>     -Read the ooffice doc in there
>     -Surfed for comments on M. Fletcher's vrplumber blog.
>     -Surfed through ctypes-users mail for codegen. comments.
>
> I'm hoping to get some pointers on the best way / lessons learned on 
> autogen'ing the wrappers.  Agreed that ctypes is a better bet than SWIG 
> for all the reasons listed the doc above, but for a project with >10k 
> header lines Ive got to have the majority of the work autogen'd.  So 
> some specific questions:
>
> -Is the consensus that the ctypes wrapper is workable for a production 
> release and if so is there some guesstimate of the road map/schedule to 
> do so?
>   
If you mean the ctypes OpenGL wrapper, no, it's not ready for production
work.  This is mostly because it hasn't been ported properly to Win32 or
OSX platforms, let alone the exotic older Unixes or DOS.  There are also
lots of extensions that would work with PyOpenGL that haven't had any
attention paid to make them work naturally with OpenGL-ctypes.

As for road-maps, I would *like* to get OpenGL-ctypes released very soon
after Python 2.5 is released, but I can't make any sort of guarantees on
that.
> -The code generation module has been pulled from the pending Py 2.5 
> inclusion of ctypes.  Looks like M. Fletcher suggested this.  Is this a 
> problem, indicating no faith in the codegen?
>   
No.  The issue is that the code generator is still very early in its
life-cycle and is subject to rapid and incompatible changes.  Thomas is
actively working on it, and as such *extending* or customising it is
dangerous (i.e. will likely break in the future).  IIUC Thomas is
returning it to the code base for the next release.
> -Which version of ctypes is to be used for PyGl?
>   
OpenGL-ctypes is targeting ctypes 1.0.0 release and Python 2.5 bundled
versions.  I'm also trying to keep computability with the recent 0.9.9.x
releases where practical to make development/testing easier.
> -Are there some summary docs (even code comments) that explains the 
> method / approach to making the wrappers?  The docs above do a good job 
> of explaining why, but I've not found a how.
>   
I ran the auto-generator to produce the "simple.py" modules.  I created
an __init__.py that imported the results of those into the right
namespace, then I started testing.  First thing I ran into were the
pointer/array problems, so modified the code generator to hack that in. 
If something was easier to code without the auto-generation, I would
create a module that shadowed the auto-generated symbols and import that
into the namespace on top of the "simple" module.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

Once the basic array-handling was in place (and particularly the
"wrapper" module abstractions) the amount of work for any given function
fell off rapidly (or entirely disappeared).  Compound structures, error
handling and the like were involved as well, but mostly because I wanted
them to act like the original system (PyOpenGL).

Sorry for the delay on replying to this,
Mike

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________________________________________________
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  http://www.vrplumber.com
  http://blog.vrplumber.com

Re: [PyOpenGL-Users] how do I build PyOpenGL-2.0.2.01?

[David R. <dr...@co...>]

On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:38 PM, Silverstein wrote:

> I would like to build 2.0.2.01 since this says it is compatible with
> version 1.23 swig wrappers (we use 1.21 now for other python wrappers
> but we could upgrade to 23, downgrading to 13 is not possible).
>
> I downloaded the tar.gz and unpacked it, but I cannot find any
> documentation on how to build this, nor is it obvious how to do so  
> from
> looking at the files.
>
> Can someone provide build instructions?
>
> I'm on redhat 7.3.
>
> Herc


Are you really stuck with Red Hat 7.3 - that is ancient (2002 I  
believe) in terms of Linux/open source development so my guess is you  
will have trouble getting it to compile.

There are instructions for compiling from source here:

http://pyopengl.sourceforge.net/documentation/installation.html

Dave