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[Plone-docs] update installation.rst to newer versions of ubuntu and debian

[sven <sv...@so...>]

Hi,

I already sent this yesterday to the installer list, sorry for cross
posting :)
any thoughts or doubts against updating:

https://github.com/collective/collective.developermanual/blob/master/source/getstarted/installation.rst

to Ubuntu 12.04 and Debian 7 ? at the moment the doucument is based on
Debian 5 and Ubuntu 10.04

cheers

Sven

Re: [Plone-docs] state of plone.org/kb and sprint

[Dylan J. <dy...@dy...>]

On 03/09/2013, at 6:55 PM, Israel Saeta Pérez <duk...@gm...> wrote:

> Helloes! Back to work! :)
> 
> I'm for dropping the documentation grouping by "user role", i.e. Integrator, Developer, Admins, etc. I think it is better to group them by topic, or organically as in http://developer.plone.org/#table-of-contents. 

I think by topic like this  - http://developer.plone.org/#programming-plone
makes sense. 
but sorting by manuals, tutorials, old manuals doesn't make any sense IMO


> 
> The only "role" I can think of that makes real sense is "end user", that is the user who doesn't have to code or install anything but just use the product, and that is already a book, isn't it?

yes. http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-4-user-manual
The questions are:
- do we move into sphinx and maintain it there? Possibly with the help of the new robotframework driven screenshots.
- do we move everything in developer.plone.org and put it in http://plone.org/documentation and have it searchable from inside plone.org
- do we get rid of http://plone.org/documentation/kb?

I think I'm yes to all three.

> 
> Regarding the documentation sprint, I would be available starting from October (remotely).
> 
> -- israel
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/8/28 Dylan Jay <dy...@dy...>
> On 28/08/2013, at 12:47 AM, sven <sv...@so...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I saw it today again on irc, new people are often confused about how we
> > handle documentation, with the result that ppl. not able to find
> > something or give up looking further because the link for example is
> > pointing to developer.plone.org and then they assume it is for
> > developers not for admins [happened today].
> > The other point is we do have some documentation under plone.org/kb and
> > some under developer.plone.org, for example if I take documentation
> > about apache, this could be/is confusing ....
> > How we want to solve this ?
> > - do we still want to use /kb or we want to integrate kb content to
> > developer.plone.org
> > - if we want to use kb and developer.p.o what goes where ?
> > - do we want to have developer.plone.org and for example
> > documentation.plone.org ?
> 
> I agree the developer manual is now increasingly misnamed. I think
> because its successful it now includes everything but the end user
> manual.
> I think a sprint to review the kb to remove info already covered in the manual.
> I think we should move the manual under the same domain. Eg
> plone.org/docs/manual/4.3
> Perhaps call it the integrator manual or just include the user manual
> in one bundle and call it the plone manual.
> 
> 
> >
> > Any ideas on this ? Anyone ? :)
> >
> > Oh and what do you think about a 'github issues squashing party' aka a
> > documentation sprint ?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Sven
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Re: [Plone-docs] state of plone.org/kb and sprint

[sven <sv...@so...>]

Hi,

+1

<...>
The questions are:
 - do we move into sphinx and maintain it there? Possibly with the help
of the new robotframework driven screenshots.
 - do we move everything in developer.plone.org and put it in
http://plone.org/documentation and have it searchable from inside plone.org
 - do we get rid of http://plone.org/documentation/kb?

 I think I'm yes to all three.
</...>

cheers

Sven

Re: [Plone-docs] state of plone.org/kb and sprint

[Israel S. P. <duk...@gm...>]

Helloes! Back to work! :)

I'm for dropping the documentation grouping by "user role", i.e.
Integrator, Developer, Admins, etc. I think it is better to group them by
topic, or organically as in http://developer.plone.org/#table-of-contents.

The only "role" I can think of that makes real sense is "end user", that is
the user who doesn't have to code or install anything but just use the
product, and that is already a book, isn't it?

Regarding the documentation sprint, I would be available starting from
October (remotely).

-- israel



2013/8/28 Dylan Jay <dy...@dy...>

> On 28/08/2013, at 12:47 AM, sven <sv...@so...> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I saw it today again on irc, new people are often confused about how we
> > handle documentation, with the result that ppl. not able to find
> > something or give up looking further because the link for example is
> > pointing to developer.plone.org and then they assume it is for
> > developers not for admins [happened today].
> > The other point is we do have some documentation under plone.org/kb and
> > some under developer.plone.org, for example if I take documentation
> > about apache, this could be/is confusing ....
> > How we want to solve this ?
> > - do we still want to use /kb or we want to integrate kb content to
> > developer.plone.org
> > - if we want to use kb and developer.p.o what goes where ?
> > - do we want to have developer.plone.org and for example
> > documentation.plone.org ?
>
> I agree the developer manual is now increasingly misnamed. I think
> because its successful it now includes everything but the end user
> manual.
> I think a sprint to review the kb to remove info already covered in the
> manual.
> I think we should move the manual under the same domain. Eg
> plone.org/docs/manual/4.3
> Perhaps call it the integrator manual or just include the user manual
> in one bundle and call it the plone manual.
>
>
> >
> > Any ideas on this ? Anyone ? :)
> >
> > Oh and what do you think about a 'github issues squashing party' aka a
> > documentation sprint ?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Sven
> >
> >
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Re: [Plone-docs] state of plone.org/kb and sprint

[Dylan J. <dy...@dy...>]

On 28/08/2013, at 12:47 AM, sven <sv...@so...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I saw it today again on irc, new people are often confused about how we
> handle documentation, with the result that ppl. not able to find
> something or give up looking further because the link for example is
> pointing to developer.plone.org and then they assume it is for
> developers not for admins [happened today].
> The other point is we do have some documentation under plone.org/kb and
> some under developer.plone.org, for example if I take documentation
> about apache, this could be/is confusing ....
> How we want to solve this ?
> - do we still want to use /kb or we want to integrate kb content to
> developer.plone.org
> - if we want to use kb and developer.p.o what goes where ?
> - do we want to have developer.plone.org and for example
> documentation.plone.org ?

I agree the developer manual is now increasingly misnamed. I think
because its successful it now includes everything but the end user
manual.
I think a sprint to review the kb to remove info already covered in the manual.
I think we should move the manual under the same domain. Eg
plone.org/docs/manual/4.3
Perhaps call it the integrator manual or just include the user manual
in one bundle and call it the plone manual.


>
> Any ideas on this ? Anyone ? :)
>
> Oh and what do you think about a 'github issues squashing party' aka a
> documentation sprint ?
>
> cheers
>
> Sven
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights,
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[Plone-docs] state of plone.org/kb and sprint

[sven <sv...@so...>]

Hi,

I saw it today again on irc, new people are often confused about how we
handle documentation, with the result that ppl. not able to find
something or give up looking further because the link for example is
pointing to developer.plone.org and then they assume it is for
developers not for admins [happened today].
The other point is we do have some documentation under plone.org/kb and
some under developer.plone.org, for example if I take documentation
about apache, this could be/is confusing ....
How we want to solve this ?
- do we still want to use /kb or we want to integrate kb content to
developer.plone.org
- if we want to use kb and developer.p.o what goes where ?
- do we want to have developer.plone.org and for example
documentation.plone.org ?

Any ideas on this ? Anyone ? :)

Oh and what do you think about a 'github issues squashing party' aka a
documentation sprint ?

cheers

Sven

Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

Mike,

I will reply back and explain, but I am swamped at work right now.   

Joe Bigler



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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Mike C. <pl...@ba...>]

On Jul 13, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:

> Is self.product.getHomepageLink() valid code or am I not understanding something?

Joe,

You are definitely not understanding something.

The error messages actually tell you what the problems are. It seems you are having issues with python and programming in general, not with views.

Do you have a mentor at work or someone nearby who can spend some time going over things with you?

He may have been a bit terse, but I believe AJ gave you some good advice earlier that you categorically rejected.

Mike

Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

Thanks khink,

I had looked at that and the Hello World tutorial.  Maybe that's where the
broken link should be pointing to.   I am making some progress.   I
appreciate the suggestion.

Joe Bigler



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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

Mike,

I got this code to work for the first example on http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#getting-the-logged-in-member

I used your example code and came up with this for the configure.zcml

<configure
    xmlns="http://namespaces.zope.org/zope"
    xmlns:browser="http://namespaces.zope.org/browser"
    i18n_domain="example.MyAddOn">

  <include package="plone.app.contentmenu" />

  <!-- -*- extra stuff goes here -*- -->
  <browser:page
        for="*"
        name="test_user_view"
        class=".common.TestUserView"
        permission="zope2.View"
        />
        
  <browser:page
        for="*"
        name="test_user_view2"
        class=".mycommon.TestUserView2"
        permission="zope2.View"
        />

</configure>

This is the code I came up with for mycommon.py

from Products.Five import BrowserView
from Products.CMFCore.utils import getToolByName
import logging
logger=logging.getLogger("MyLogger: ")
from zope.component import getMultiAdapter

class TestUserView2:

    def __call__(self):
        """Testing views"""
        logger.info("TestUserView2: __call__: ")
        portal_state = getMultiAdapter((self.context, self.request), name="plone_portal_state")
        if portal_state.anonymous():
            # Return target URL for the site anonymous visitors
            logger.info("TestUserView2: __call__: self.context.portal_url(): %s" % str(self.context.portal_url.getPortalObject()))
        else:
            # Return edit URL for the site members
            logger.info("TestUserView2: __call__: self.context.absolute_url(): %s" % str(self.context.absolute_url()))


I tested this from the /events folder off of the root			
When I place /@@test_user_view2 in the url while logged in, it displays this in the console:
2013-07-14 01:20:59 INFO MyLogger:  TestUserView2: __call__:
2013-07-14 01:20:59 INFO MyLogger:  TestUserView2: __call__: self.context.absolute_url(): http://localhost:8080/PloneTest/events

When I do the same thing with the anonymous view, it displays this in the console:
2013-07-14 01:18:29 INFO MyLogger:  TestUserView2: __call__:
2013-07-14 01:18:29 INFO MyLogger:  TestUserView2: __call__: self.context.portal_url(): <PloneSite at PloneTest>
I tried to get the actual root url to show up, but couldn't get anything to work.  I have used context.getURL0() in the theme product in the past, but it would not work here.			

I could not get the code in the original else clause, product.absolute_url() to work so I replaced it with self.context.absolute_url()
Actually, I couldn't find any examples of product.absolute_url() in the Plone code on my site, my Plone documentation, which includes most of the Plone books, or any google search.  Seems odd that they would use something so uncommon.  Is that code, product.absolute_url(), correct or am I missing something?

This is the error I got with product.absolute_url() in the if clause:

2013-07-13 22:28:15 INFO Zope Ready to handle requests
2013-07-13 22:29:08 INFO MyLogger:  TestUserView2: __call__:
2013-07-13 22:29:08 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog 1373768948.090.486417813512 http://localhost:8080/PloneTest/@@test_user_view2
Traceback (innermost last):
  Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 126, in publish
  Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
  Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 46, in call_object
  Module example.MyAddOn.browser.mycommon, line 18, in __call__
NameError: global name 'product' is not defined

I ran into a similar problem with the anonymous view and the code self.product.getHomepageLink() in the if clause:
It generates this error:
2013-07-13 22:23:14 INFO MyLogger:  TestUserView2: __call__:
2013-07-13 22:23:14 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog 1373768594.460.832128119821 http://127.0.0.1:8080/PloneTest/@@test_user_view2
Traceback (innermost last):
  Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 126, in publish
  Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
  Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 46, in call_object
  Module example.MyAddOn.browser.mycommon, line 15, in __call__
AttributeError: 'TestUserView2' object has no attribute 'product'

Is self.product.getHomepageLink() valid code or am I not understanding something?

I appreciate your help with this.

Joe Bigler


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cullerton [mailto:pl...@ba...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Joe Bigler
Cc: plo...@li...
Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

Hey Joe,

You don't ask a specific question. Did you try something and get an error?

I suggest starting your view without restricting the views/interfaces, and worrying about that when you have all the other logic working.

Here's what it takes to get the example you referenced at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups running.

First you tell Plone about your entry point. In the browser directory, in configure.zcml, add

    <browser:page
        for="*"
        name="test_user_view"
        class=".common.TestUserView"
        permission="zope2.View"
        />

This says when someone goes to the url test_user_view, run the code in the class common.TestUserView.

To create the class, create a file called common.py in the browser directory, and in common.py, add

from Products.Five import BrowserView
from Products.CMFCore.utils import getToolByName import logging
logger=logging.getLogger("MyLogger: ")

class TestUserView:

    def __call__(self):
        """Testing views"""
        logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: ")
        acl_users = getToolByName(self.context, 'acl_users')
        groups_tool = getToolByName(self.context, 'portal_groups')
        groups = acl_users.source_groups.getGroupIds()
        for group_id in groups:
            group = groups_tool.getGroupById(group_id)
            if group is None:
                continue
            logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: group: %s" % str(group))
            members = group.getGroupMembers()
            member_emails = [m.getProperty('email') for m in members]
            logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: member_emails: %s" % str(member_emails))


Notice that I added some logging to their example. 

You can access that code at http:blahblahblah/yourplonesite/test_user_view

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Here is what I am trying to do.  I need to access information from the Plone database.   I am trying to implement the examples at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups because we are primarily interested in user information at this time.   Here are some of the things I have been tasked to do:
> 
> - email blast to all editors in the site
> - generate a report with names and email addresses for all editors
> - generate a list of all groups with their editors listed.
> 
> I have tried to build a view for this, but not sure how to proceed.  I 
> worked through the developer.plone.org "Hello World" tutorial at 
> https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.
> html
> 
> I installed the product on my test site and got it to work for the tutorial.  I have also looked at the Professional Plone 4 Development book, and posted the question in the Nabble forum.  I understand the basic idea of a view,   but determining the interface, the class, and the python code to get the examples on http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups to work is something I just don't see yet.  I understand Zope browser views are an important part on Plone 4 and I need to understand how to use them, but I am frankly stuck.  I don't want to have to ask someone to build every one of these I need.  I need to get the principals down so I can build them on my own.  Any suggestions?
> 
> I have been working with Plone since 2006.   We made the jump from Plone 2.5.3 to Plone 4.1 last year.  I only know Python from what little I have used it in Plone.  I am working on that.  I don't have any experience with an object oriented programming language.  I have been programming web pages since 1998, mostly with ColdFusion and database applications since the 1990's with Visual Basic and SQL Server.  I am the web administrator for the College of Education at Penn State University.  You can see our site at http://www.ed.psu.edu.  
> 
> I am hoping that if I can understand views to add a tutorial to the http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups page.  I know of several administrators that would like to be able to do what I am doing, but have a similar background and are stuck as well.
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Joseph E. Bigler
> Web Administrator
> Carrara Education Technology Center
> je...@ps...
> 814-865-1560
> 233B Chambers Building
> University Park, PA 16802
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cullerton [mailto:pl...@ba...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:43 AM
> To: Joe Bigler
> Cc: plo...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial
> 
> Hey Joe,
> 
> I don't know which tutorial you are referring to, but the Hello World tutorial has a secion of views.
> 
> https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.
> html
> 
> If that's not what you are interested in, you can find all the 
> tutorials listed at https://developer.plone.org/
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:
> 
>> I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone 
>> Developer Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 
>> Programming Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.
>> 
>> When I click on the link, it redirects me to 
>> http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the 
>> documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list 
>> where it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it.
>> The link it originally went to is
>> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.
>> 
>> I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help 
>> with this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

Mike,

I got this to work.  I see the data in the console.  That was a big help.  I think it is starting to come together.  I am going to work with this some more today and see what I can come up with.  I appreciate you taking the time to write the code and provide the explanations. 

Joe Bigler

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Bigler 
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:08 AM
To: 'Mike Cullerton'
Cc: plo...@li...
Subject: RE: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

Mike,

Thanks for taking the time to write the code.  I will try this out this morning and reply back.  

Joe Bigler

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cullerton [mailto:pl...@ba...]
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:41 AM
To: Joe Bigler
Cc: plo...@li...
Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

Hey Joe,

You don't ask a specific question. Did you try something and get an error?

I suggest starting your view without restricting the views/interfaces, and worrying about that when you have all the other logic working.

Here's what it takes to get the example you referenced at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups running.

First you tell Plone about your entry point. In the browser directory, in configure.zcml, add

    <browser:page
        for="*"
        name="test_user_view"
        class=".common.TestUserView"
        permission="zope2.View"
        />

This says when someone goes to the url test_user_view, run the code in the class common.TestUserView.

To create the class, create a file called common.py in the browser directory, and in common.py, add

from Products.Five import BrowserView
from Products.CMFCore.utils import getToolByName import logging
logger=logging.getLogger("MyLogger: ")

class TestUserView:

    def __call__(self):
        """Testing views"""
        logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: ")
        acl_users = getToolByName(self.context, 'acl_users')
        groups_tool = getToolByName(self.context, 'portal_groups')
        groups = acl_users.source_groups.getGroupIds()
        for group_id in groups:
            group = groups_tool.getGroupById(group_id)
            if group is None:
                continue
            logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: group: %s" % str(group))
            members = group.getGroupMembers()
            member_emails = [m.getProperty('email') for m in members]
            logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: member_emails: %s" % str(member_emails))


Notice that I added some logging to their example. 

You can access that code at http:blahblahblah/yourplonesite/test_user_view

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> Here is what I am trying to do.  I need to access information from the Plone database.   I am trying to implement the examples at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups because we are primarily interested in user information at this time.   Here are some of the things I have been tasked to do:
> 
> - email blast to all editors in the site
> - generate a report with names and email addresses for all editors
> - generate a list of all groups with their editors listed.
> 
> I have tried to build a view for this, but not sure how to proceed.  I 
> worked through the developer.plone.org "Hello World" tutorial at 
> https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.
> html
> 
> I installed the product on my test site and got it to work for the tutorial.  I have also looked at the Professional Plone 4 Development book, and posted the question in the Nabble forum.  I understand the basic idea of a view,   but determining the interface, the class, and the python code to get the examples on http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups to work is something I just don't see yet.  I understand Zope browser views are an important part on Plone 4 and I need to understand how to use them, but I am frankly stuck.  I don't want to have to ask someone to build every one of these I need.  I need to get the principals down so I can build them on my own.  Any suggestions?
> 
> I have been working with Plone since 2006.   We made the jump from Plone 2.5.3 to Plone 4.1 last year.  I only know Python from what little I have used it in Plone.  I am working on that.  I don't have any experience with an object oriented programming language.  I have been programming web pages since 1998, mostly with ColdFusion and database applications since the 1990's with Visual Basic and SQL Server.  I am the web administrator for the College of Education at Penn State University.  You can see our site at http://www.ed.psu.edu.  
> 
> I am hoping that if I can understand views to add a tutorial to the http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups page.  I know of several administrators that would like to be able to do what I am doing, but have a similar background and are stuck as well.
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Joseph E. Bigler
> Web Administrator
> Carrara Education Technology Center
> je...@ps...
> 814-865-1560
> 233B Chambers Building
> University Park, PA 16802
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cullerton [mailto:pl...@ba...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:43 AM
> To: Joe Bigler
> Cc: plo...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial
> 
> Hey Joe,
> 
> I don't know which tutorial you are referring to, but the Hello World tutorial has a secion of views.
> 
> https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.
> html
> 
> If that's not what you are interested in, you can find all the 
> tutorials listed at https://developer.plone.org/
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:
> 
>> I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone 
>> Developer Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 
>> Programming Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.
>> 
>> When I click on the link, it redirects me to 
>> http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the 
>> documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list 
>> where it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it.
>> The link it originally went to is
>> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.
>> 
>> I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help 
>> with this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Zope-View-Tutorial-tp7566584.html
>> Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Mike C. <pl...@ba...>]

Hey Joe,

You don't ask a specific question. Did you try something and get an error?

I suggest starting your view without restricting the views/interfaces, and worrying about that when you have all the other logic working.

Here's what it takes to get the example you referenced at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups running.

First you tell Plone about your entry point. In the browser directory, in configure.zcml, add

    <browser:page
        for="*"
        name="test_user_view"
        class=".common.TestUserView"
        permission="zope2.View"
        />

This says when someone goes to the url test_user_view, run the code in the class common.TestUserView.

To create the class, create a file called common.py in the browser directory, and in common.py, add

from Products.Five import BrowserView
from Products.CMFCore.utils import getToolByName
import logging
logger=logging.getLogger("MyLogger: ")

class TestUserView:

    def __call__(self):
        """Testing views"""
        logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: ")
        acl_users = getToolByName(self.context, 'acl_users')
        groups_tool = getToolByName(self.context, 'portal_groups')
        groups = acl_users.source_groups.getGroupIds()
        for group_id in groups:
            group = groups_tool.getGroupById(group_id)
            if group is None:
                continue
            logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: group: %s" % str(group))
            members = group.getGroupMembers()
            member_emails = [m.getProperty('email') for m in members]
            logger.info("TestUserView: __call__: member_emails: %s" % str(member_emails))


Notice that I added some logging to their example. 

You can access that code at http:blahblahblah/yourplonesite/test_user_view

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Jul 12, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:

> Mike, 
> 
> Here is what I am trying to do.  I need to access information from the Plone database.   I am trying to implement the examples at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups because we are primarily interested in user information at this time.   Here are some of the things I have been tasked to do:
> 
> - email blast to all editors in the site
> - generate a report with names and email addresses for all editors
> - generate a list of all groups with their editors listed.
> 
> I have tried to build a view for this, but not sure how to proceed.  I worked through the developer.plone.org "Hello World" tutorial at https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.html
> 
> I installed the product on my test site and got it to work for the tutorial.  I have also looked at the Professional Plone 4 Development book, and posted the question in the Nabble forum.  I understand the basic idea of a view,   but determining the interface, the class, and the python code to get the examples on http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups to work is something I just don't see yet.  I understand Zope browser views are an important part on Plone 4 and I need to understand how to use them, but I am frankly stuck.  I don't want to have to ask someone to build every one of these I need.  I need to get the principals down so I can build them on my own.  Any suggestions?
> 
> I have been working with Plone since 2006.   We made the jump from Plone 2.5.3 to Plone 4.1 last year.  I only know Python from what little I have used it in Plone.  I am working on that.  I don't have any experience with an object oriented programming language.  I have been programming web pages since 1998, mostly with ColdFusion and database applications since the 1990's with Visual Basic and SQL Server.  I am the web administrator for the College of Education at Penn State University.  You can see our site at http://www.ed.psu.edu.  
> 
> I am hoping that if I can understand views to add a tutorial to the http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups page.  I know of several administrators that would like to be able to do what I am doing, but have a similar background and are stuck as well.
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Joseph E. Bigler
> Web Administrator
> Carrara Education Technology Center
> je...@ps...
> 814-865-1560
> 233B Chambers Building
> University Park, PA 16802
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Cullerton [mailto:pl...@ba...] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:43 AM
> To: Joe Bigler
> Cc: plo...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial
> 
> Hey Joe,
> 
> I don't know which tutorial you are referring to, but the Hello World tutorial has a secion of views.
> 
> https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.html
> 
> If that's not what you are interested in, you can find all the tutorials listed at https://developer.plone.org/
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:
> 
>> I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone 
>> Developer Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 
>> Programming Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.
>> 
>> When I click on the link, it redirects me to 
>> http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the 
>> documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list 
>> where it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it.
>> The link it originally went to is
>> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.
>> 
>> I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help 
>> with this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Zope-View-Tutorial-tp7566584.html
>> Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------- See everything from the browser to the database with 
>> AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from 
>> AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds.
>> Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today!
>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831&iu=/4140/ostg.c
>> lktrk _______________________________________________
>> Plone-docs mailing list
>> Plo...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-docs
> 

Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

This is no help at all.  I hope this doesn't stop others from replying.  I
would appreciate it if you would not reply to any of my posts.  If you do, I
will ignore you and I hope others will as well.



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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

Mike, 

Here is what I am trying to do.  I need to access information from the Plone database.   I am trying to implement the examples at http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups because we are primarily interested in user information at this time.   Here are some of the things I have been tasked to do:

- email blast to all editors in the site
- generate a report with names and email addresses for all editors
- generate a list of all groups with their editors listed.

 I have tried to build a view for this, but not sure how to proceed.  I worked through the developer.plone.org "Hello World" tutorial at https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.html

I installed the product on my test site and got it to work for the tutorial.  I have also looked at the Professional Plone 4 Development book, and posted the question in the Nabble forum.  I understand the basic idea of a view,   but determining the interface, the class, and the python code to get the examples on http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups to work is something I just don't see yet.  I understand Zope browser views are an important part on Plone 4 and I need to understand how to use them, but I am frankly stuck.  I don't want to have to ask someone to build every one of these I need.  I need to get the principals down so I can build them on my own.  Any suggestions?

I have been working with Plone since 2006.   We made the jump from Plone 2.5.3 to Plone 4.1 last year.  I only know Python from what little I have used it in Plone.  I am working on that.  I don't have any experience with an object oriented programming language.  I have been programming web pages since 1998, mostly with ColdFusion and database applications since the 1990's with Visual Basic and SQL Server.  I am the web administrator for the College of Education at Penn State University.  You can see our site at http://www.ed.psu.edu.  

I am hoping that if I can understand views to add a tutorial to the http://developer.plone.org/members/member_basics.html#list-users-within-all-groups page.  I know of several administrators that would like to be able to do what I am doing, but have a similar background and are stuck as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Joseph E. Bigler
Web Administrator
Carrara Education Technology Center
je...@ps...
814-865-1560
233B Chambers Building
University Park, PA 16802



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cullerton [mailto:pl...@ba...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:43 AM
To: Joe Bigler
Cc: plo...@li...
Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

Hey Joe,

I don't know which tutorial you are referring to, but the Hello World tutorial has a secion of views.

https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.html

If that's not what you are interested in, you can find all the tutorials listed at https://developer.plone.org/

Mike

On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:

> I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone 
> Developer Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 
> Programming Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.
> 
> When I click on the link, it redirects me to 
> http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the 
> documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list 
> where it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it.
> The link it originally went to is
> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.
> 
> I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help 
> with this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Zope-View-Tutorial-tp7566584.html
> Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from 
> AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds.
> Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today!
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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Mike C. <pl...@ba...>]

Hey Joe,

I don't know which tutorial you are referring to, but the Hello World tutorial has a secion of views.

https://developer.plone.org/reference_manuals/active/helloworld/index.html

If that's not what you are interested in, you can find all the tutorials listed at https://developer.plone.org/

Mike

On Jul 11, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Joe Bigler <je...@ps...> wrote:

> I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone Developer
> Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 Programming
> Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.
> 
> When I click on the link, it redirects me to
> http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the
> documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list where
> it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it. 
> The link it originally went to is 
> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.
> 
> I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help with
> this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Zope-View-Tutorial-tp7566584.html
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> 
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Re: [Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Kees H. <kee...@gm...>]

http://developer.plone.org/views/browserviews.html

(The first hit on Google on "plone zope views", the 2nd one on "plone 
browser view".)

On 07/11/2013 04:38 PM, Joe Bigler wrote:
> I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone Developer
> Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 Programming
> Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.
>
> When I click on the link, it redirects me to
> http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the
> documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list where
> it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it.
> The link it originally went to is
> http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.
>
> I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help with
> this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Zope-View-Tutorial-tp7566584.html
> Sent from the Documentation Team mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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> Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics
> Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds.
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[Plone-docs] Zope View Tutorial

[Joe B. <je...@ps...>]

I am looking for the zope view tutorial referenced in the Plone Developer
Manual Documentation.  It is listed on page 77, section 1.2 Programming
Plone in the latest version I have, April 03, 2013.

When I click on the link, it redirects me to
http://developer.plone.org/moved_content.html.  This tells me the
documentation has been moved to another location, but it doesn't list where
it is.  I tried checking the links on that page, but I could not find it. 
The link it originally went to is 
http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/borg/zope-3-views.

I have tried multiple searches, but cannot find it.  Can anyone help with
this or point me to a good zope view tutorial?



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Re: [Plone-docs] Plone Documentation: advertisement embedded in Plone documentation

[Jon S. <jon...@gm...>]

Thanks for flagging this, Chris.  We do get the occasional bit of
wiki-spam like this, I'll remove this and anything else the author's
created.  Please do feel free to post here again if you find future
instances of this.

:jon


On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Chris Steel <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> Documentation heads up.
>
> This document:
>
> http://plone.org/documentation/kb/plone-system-requirements
>
> contains the following url:
>
>     loansforpeoplewithbadcredithistoryfast.co.uk
>
> embedded in the following section:
>
> "Plone scales readily. If you are developing a high traffic site, plan your
> infrastructure to take advantage of its key technologies such as ZEO server
> and other strategies loansforpeoplewithbadcredithistoryfast.co.uk including
> load balancing and caching."
>
> It has been in the document for more than a few months...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris
>
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>
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>
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[Plone-docs] Plone Documentation: advertisement embedded in Plone documentation

[Chris S. <chr...@gm...>]

Documentation heads up.

This document:

http://plone.org/documentation/kb/plone-system-requirements

contains the following url:

    loansforpeoplewithbadcredithistoryfast.co.uk

embedded in the following section:

"Plone scales readily. If you are developing a high traffic site, plan your
infrastructure to take advantage of its key technologies such as ZEO server
and other strategies loansforpeoplewithbadcredithistoryfast.co.uk including
load balancing and caching."

It has been in the document for more than a few months...

Cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Plone-docs] screencasts

[Maurizio D. <mau...@ab...>]

Hi Sven,
talking about screencasts (and videos, I would add) you're pointing two
different aspects:

a. I'd love to join a community effort to produce screencasts showing what
you can do with Plone (to me, this is in between documentation and
communication/marketing areas)

b. I'm +1 for the Foundation to activate the Plone accounts on
youtube/vimeo/.. and delegate their management to
communication/marketing/documentation groups

Actually, I would have pushed on this specific topic myself along the next
months, as soon as other high priority efforts would have reached a more
stable point (i.e. plone.com project).

In this sense (but no need to mix up with this thread), I'd also love to
restart from this mail by Jean Jordaan:
http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Hunting-for-conference-materials-td7449222.html(conferences
talks are often good for documentation, too)

best,
Maurizio

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM, sven <sv...@so...> wrote:

> hey everyone,
>
> i was thinking about screencasts ... do we want them in generally ? for
> example link to them on d.p.o ?
> if so, do we have something like an collective account on youtube, vimeo
> or somewhere else ? i do like the idea to keep them on/in one place :)
>
> so what do you think ?
>
> cheers
>
> sven
>
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[Plone-docs] screencasts

[sven <sv...@so...>]

hey everyone,

i was thinking about screencasts ... do we want them in generally ? for
example link to them on d.p.o ?
if so, do we have something like an collective account on youtube, vimeo
or somewhere else ? i do like the idea to keep them on/in one place :)

so what do you think ?

cheers

sven

[Plone-docs] Plone 4 Users Manual Licence

[PM <pm...@li...>]

Hello.

So I would like to ask whoever it may concern or be the appropriate
recipient, to release the Plone 4 User's Guide at plone.org under a CC-BY
license (fully free & copyleft, equivalent to the GPL that Plone is
licenced under), if possible, so that I can translate it, eventually
enhance it, and redistribute the resulting document, of course including
sharing it back with the community.

In order to allow that, and also to encourage others to help in the same
way, I think would be very useful to make the licence explicit in the
Guide itself.

Thanks for your support.

Pablo.

Re: [Plone-docs] Plone 4 Users Manual Licence

[PM <pm...@li...>]

Thank you for your answer.

Before I go any further I would like to know what is the licence of the
Manual. Of course, once I know the licences of the different documents,
I'll be happy to collaborate with your project.

Thank you,

Pablo.

> Hi Pablo.
>
> Thanks you for you initiative
>
> From Plone Spanish communities we are working with many translations of
> Plone documentations, we were ready the first review for Plone 4 User's
> Manual maybe you can help us to review the translation ?
>
> We are define a methology for translations that help in this process for
> that using CAT tools, vocabularies, translations memory files (TMX files)
> and dictionaries files.
>
> https://github.com/collective/collective.spanishdocumentation/tree/cat
>
> The stage of Plone Spanish translations is:
>
> - Integrating original Plone vocabularies from plone.app.locales to those
> translations resources as vocabularies files (.tab files) for integrate or
> use with the CAT tool.
>
> - Review the document about translation methology that explain en more
> details the roles, resources and tools can be using for translations.
>
> - Translations po files for plone.app.ldap plone.app.caching.
>
> Let me know if you would like join and help in this crusade
>
>
> 2012/10/29 PM <pm...@li...>
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I'm translating the Plone 4 User's Manual
>>
>>   http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-4-user-manual
>>
>> to Spanish. I would like to share the results, but I can't find the
>> licence of the manual.
>>
>> If there is no licence explicitly attached to it, that means a standard
>> copyright (resctrictive) licence, so I would not be allowed to publish
>> anything.
>>
>> I would like to know the licence, and I would ask you to specify it with
>> the manual, if possible.
>>
>> Also, it would be good if the licence was as free as possible, so that
>> every effort, be it commercial or not, reverts to the community.
>>
>> BTW, having the sources for the drawings in the manual would be very
>> helpful.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Pablo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Plone-docs] Plone 4 Users Manual Licence

[Leonardo C. <leo...@gm...>]

Hi Pablo.

Thanks you for you initiative

>From Plone Spanish communities we are working with many translations of
Plone documentations, we were ready the first review for Plone 4 User's
Manual maybe you can help us to review the translation ?

We are define a methology for translations that help in this process for
that using CAT tools, vocabularies, translations memory files (TMX files)
and dictionaries files.

https://github.com/collective/collective.spanishdocumentation/tree/cat

The stage of Plone Spanish translations is:

- Integrating original Plone vocabularies from plone.app.locales to those
translations resources as vocabularies files (.tab files) for integrate or
use with the CAT tool.

- Review the document about translation methology that explain en more
details the roles, resources and tools can be using for translations.

- Translations po files for plone.app.ldap plone.app.caching.

Let me know if you would like join and help in this crusade


2012/10/29 PM <pm...@li...>

> Hello.
>
> I'm translating the Plone 4 User's Manual
>
>   http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-4-user-manual
>
> to Spanish. I would like to share the results, but I can't find the
> licence of the manual.
>
> If there is no licence explicitly attached to it, that means a standard
> copyright (resctrictive) licence, so I would not be allowed to publish
> anything.
>
> I would like to know the licence, and I would ask you to specify it with
> the manual, if possible.
>
> Also, it would be good if the licence was as free as possible, so that
> every effort, be it commercial or not, reverts to the community.
>
> BTW, having the sources for the drawings in the manual would be very
> helpful.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Pablo.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Windows 8 Center - In partnership with Sourceforge
> Your idea - your app - 30 days.
> Get started!
> http://windows8center.sourceforge.net/
> what-html-developers-need-to-know-about-coding-windows-8-metro-style-apps/
> _______________________________________________
> Plone-docs mailing list
> Plo...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-docs
>



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[Plone-docs] Plone 4 Users Manual Licence

[PM <pm...@li...>]

Hello.

I'm translating the Plone 4 User's Manual

  http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-4-user-manual

to Spanish. I would like to share the results, but I can't find the
licence of the manual.

If there is no licence explicitly attached to it, that means a standard
copyright (resctrictive) licence, so I would not be allowed to publish
anything.

I would like to know the licence, and I would ask you to specify it with
the manual, if possible.

Also, it would be good if the licence was as free as possible, so that
every effort, be it commercial or not, reverts to the community.

BTW, having the sources for the drawings in the manual would be very helpful.

Thank you.

Pablo.