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Re: [Plone-docs] apache and Plone

[Andy M. <an...@ag...>]

So does this mean Apache will cache anything with the appropriate header on?
Images and such arent served with headers, so won't cached.
--
  Andy McKay
  www.agmweb.ca


----- Original Message -----
From: "alan runyan" <ru...@ru...>
To: "Andy McKay" <an...@ag...>; <plo...@li...>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Plone-docs] apache and Plone


> the apache caching is now turned on the config file looks like this:
> the admin is going to put back the expires cache headers in (which was
> in the previous post but lacking from the current VHost directive below)
> thanks to Jorg!  Its a very simple configuration and Plone feels much
> speedier.
> the main scare is that the cache cacheing things its not suppose to.  if
we
> see
> this happening please report the problem and we can fix.
>
> <VirtualHost *>
> ServerName plone.org
> ServerAlias www.plone.org
> ServerAdmin web...@pl...
> ProxyPass /
> http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
> ProxyPassReverse /
> http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
>
> #
> # gzip handler
> #
> mod_gzip_item_include handler proxy-server
> mod_gzip_on Yes
>
> CacheRoot "/tmp/proxy/plone.org"
> CacheSize 500
> CacheGcInterval 2
> CacheMaxExpire 24
> CacheLastModifiedFactor 0.1
> CacheDefaultExpire 1
> CacheDirLength 2
>
> CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access_log combined
> CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access-gzip_log
> common_with_mod_gzip_info2
> ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-error_log
> </VirtualHost>
>
>
>
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Re: [Plone-docs] apache and Plone

[alan r. <ru...@ru...>]

the apache caching is now turned on the config file looks like this:
the admin is going to put back the expires cache headers in (which was
in the previous post but lacking from the current VHost directive below)
thanks to Jorg!  Its a very simple configuration and Plone feels much
speedier.
the main scare is that the cache cacheing things its not suppose to.  if we
see
this happening please report the problem and we can fix.

<VirtualHost *>
ServerName plone.org
ServerAlias www.plone.org
ServerAdmin web...@pl...
ProxyPass /
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
ProxyPassReverse /
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/

#
# gzip handler
#
mod_gzip_item_include handler proxy-server
mod_gzip_on Yes

CacheRoot "/tmp/proxy/plone.org"
CacheSize 500
CacheGcInterval 2
CacheMaxExpire 24
CacheLastModifiedFactor 0.1
CacheDefaultExpire 1
CacheDirLength 2

CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access_log combined
CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access-gzip_log
common_with_mod_gzip_info2
ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-error_log
</VirtualHost>

Re: [Plone-docs] apache and Plone

[Andy M. <an...@ag...>]

But even having http cache headers on images helps a great deal.
--
  Andy McKay
  www.agmweb.ca


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alan runyan" <ru...@ru...>
To: <plo...@li...>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: [Plone-docs] apache and Plone


> well. I was wrong.  ;-) we are just forcing Expires headers.
> what we are in need of is someone to figure out how to
> turn mod_proxy on and to cache only images.  maybe
> in conjunction w/ mod_expires we can get the caching
> of mod_proxy to be more accurate (at a content-type level)
> 
> so.. I am working w/ the J0rg (dont have the keymapping
> to spell his name) to maybe get mod_proxy and caching
> work.  I will post to the list.  but using IE6 and Plone
> w/ the caching stuff helps tremendiously. 
> 
> ~runyaga
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "alan runyan" <ru...@ru...>
> To: <plo...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:38 PM
> Subject: [Plone-docs] speed up your plone
> 
> 
> > I was hunting down a way to make plone.org go faster
> > and since we have it fronted by apache I stumbled
> > across the ExpiresOn directive (that you can use
> > in conjunction with mod_proxy) .  Well actually
> > come to find out they are using ProxyPass.. interesting
> > so here is hte apache entry.
> > 
> > <VirtualHost *>
> > ServerName plone.org
> > ServerAlias www.plone.org
> > ServerAdmin web...@pl...
> > ProxyPass /
> > http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
> > ProxyPassReverse /
> > http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
> > 
> > #
> > # gzip handler
> > #
> > mod_gzip_item_include handler proxy-server
> > mod_gzip_on Yes
> > 
> > #
> > # Expire-stuff
> > #
> > ExpiresActive On
> > ExpiresByType image/gif A86400
> > ExpiresByType image/png A86400
> > ExpiresByType image/jpeg A86400
> > ExpiresByType text/css A86400
> > ExpiresByType text/javascript A86400
> > #
> > 
> > CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access_log combined
> > CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access-gzip_log
> > common_with_mod_gzip_info2
> > ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-error_log
> > </VirtualHost>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[Plone-docs] apache and Plone

[alan r. <ru...@ru...>]

well. I was wrong.  ;-) we are just forcing Expires headers.
what we are in need of is someone to figure out how to
turn mod_proxy on and to cache only images.  maybe
in conjunction w/ mod_expires we can get the caching
of mod_proxy to be more accurate (at a content-type level)

so.. I am working w/ the J0rg (dont have the keymapping
to spell his name) to maybe get mod_proxy and caching
work.  I will post to the list.  but using IE6 and Plone
w/ the caching stuff helps tremendiously. 

~runyaga

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alan runyan" <ru...@ru...>
To: <plo...@li...>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: [Plone-docs] speed up your plone


> I was hunting down a way to make plone.org go faster
> and since we have it fronted by apache I stumbled
> across the ExpiresOn directive (that you can use
> in conjunction with mod_proxy) .  Well actually
> come to find out they are using ProxyPass.. interesting
> so here is hte apache entry.
> 
> <VirtualHost *>
> ServerName plone.org
> ServerAlias www.plone.org
> ServerAdmin web...@pl...
> ProxyPass /
> http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
> ProxyPassReverse /
> http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
> 
> #
> # gzip handler
> #
> mod_gzip_item_include handler proxy-server
> mod_gzip_on Yes
> 
> #
> # Expire-stuff
> #
> ExpiresActive On
> ExpiresByType image/gif A86400
> ExpiresByType image/png A86400
> ExpiresByType image/jpeg A86400
> ExpiresByType text/css A86400
> ExpiresByType text/javascript A86400
> #
> 
> CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access_log combined
> CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access-gzip_log
> common_with_mod_gzip_info2
> ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-error_log
> </VirtualHost>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Plone-docs] speed up your plone

[alan r. <ru...@ru...>]

I was hunting down a way to make plone.org go faster
and since we have it fronted by apache I stumbled
across the ExpiresOn directive (that you can use
in conjunction with mod_proxy) .  Well actually
come to find out they are using ProxyPass.. interesting
so here is hte apache entry.

<VirtualHost *>
ServerName plone.org
ServerAlias www.plone.org
ServerAdmin web...@pl...
ProxyPass /
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/
ProxyPassReverse /
http://localhost:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/plone.org:80/plone.org/

#
# gzip handler
#
mod_gzip_item_include handler proxy-server
mod_gzip_on Yes

#
# Expire-stuff
#
ExpiresActive On
ExpiresByType image/gif A86400
ExpiresByType image/png A86400
ExpiresByType image/jpeg A86400
ExpiresByType text/css A86400
ExpiresByType text/javascript A86400
#

CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access_log combined
CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-access-gzip_log
common_with_mod_gzip_info2
ErrorLog /usr/local/apache/logs/plone-error_log
</VirtualHost>

[Plone-docs] PloneBatch and sortable tables

[Helge T. <he...@te...>]

I've just written some docs on PloneBatch (it's only in CVS yet, not in the
beta1 tarball) and on how to make your tables sortable. PloneBatch is an
improved version of ZTUtils.Batch with a navigation macro included to make
it easier to use.

These are first drafts, and will hopefully be moved into the documentation
section eventually. Feel free to comment.

How to use PloneBatch
http://plone.org/Members/tesdal/plonebatch/

How to make your tables sortable
http://plone.org/Members/tesdal/tablesort/

--
Helge

[Plone-docs] PloneBatch docs

[Andy M. <an...@ag...>]

Note to self.

PloneBatch docs: http://plone.org/Members/tesdal/plonebatch/
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  Andy McKay
  www.agmweb.ca

[Plone-docs] Hello

[Amr M. <aea...@ya...>]

Hello everyone,
    I'm really excited that we have two new mailing lists started. Just wanted
to say hello to everyone on the list.

-Amr (aka LninYo)

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[Plone-docs] Hello from Italy

[Galileo De I. <ga...@ex...>]

Just a presentation of Plone's newbie

RE: [Plone-docs] basic questions

[Hills, S. <Sha...@ad...>]

***
I'd like to volunteer to contribute to adding/editing content.  I'm a total
Plone newbie.  I hope to leverage that as a cheap way to appear to have
Beginner's Mind.  <wink>
***

Ditto here :-)

I think plone's a great way to make Zope simple. Now we just need doco to
make plone simple(r)... I like the look of Andy's outline.

cheers,

Shaun

[Plone-docs] Hi guys

[Jonagustine L. <jon...@ya...>]

I would be very interested in good documentation (or a
book) on plone.  There is 1 book that I know of
written about plone but unfortunately, unless you
speak French, it's useless.

http://www.zope.org/Members/ingeniweb/cmf_book

I like the outline that you started with Andy and am
willing to start contributing content for it.  We
probably should create a wiki page on www.plone.org
and start to hash it out since we're committed to
creating this documentation.  Andy, since you so
nicely outlined it, would you like to create the
beginning book as a wiki page on your plone account?

I am not a writer by training but have had to write
instructions and technical documentations for stuff I
implement at work.  I've been looking into/using plone
for about half a year now and have been following it
from a user/administrator/padawan-developer role since
Plone 0.99-almost.  I'm currently using plone in a
production system and would have to come up with
documentation for it anyway, at least, once the A-team
(the devs) can somehow cement the features and
internals of plone.

Jon




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RE: [Plone-docs] basic questions

[Mark M. <ma...@mc...>]

[Andy McKay [mailto:an...@ag...]]
> Do you mean the comments?

Your follow on comment shows you guessed correctly, but just to be explicit:

Yup.

Cheers,

// mark

Re: [Plone-docs] basic questions

[Andy M. <an...@ag...>]

> Yup, I've seen BT in action on the ZopeBook.  Is there an explicit
> policy/approach for handling the BT content?  I know you can turn it off
(as
> a viewer).

Do you mean the comments? I dont know, Im new at this role and BackTalk
myself, so we can make policies up as we go along. I believe the comments
should be either removed or credited and incorporated over time. What time
line that is, I dont know, perhaps every month or significant release we can
do this.

> If nothing else, it helps minimize the amount of cruft that
> piles up over time.  And it would seem best not to alarm people who might
> otherwise assume their BackTalk will just be immortalized there forever.

Good point, we should probably put up a policy page outlining this sort of
thing.

> I'd like to volunteer to contribute to adding/editing content.  I'm a
total
> Plone newbie.  I hope to leverage that as a cheap way to appear to have
> Beginner's Mind.  <wink>

Great thanks, I'll let you know when its setup.
--
  Andy McKay
  www.agmweb.ca


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark McEahern" <ma...@mc...>
To: "Andy McKay" <an...@ag...>; "Plone-Docs Mailing List"
<plo...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Plone-docs] basic questions


> [Andy McKay [mailto:an...@ag...]]
> > Here's my idea. We are getting a CMF version of BackTalk up and
> > running that
> > we'll put on Plone.org. If you don't know BackTalk is how the current
> > ZopeBook is displayed where users can enter comments and so on.
>
> Yup, I've seen BT in action on the ZopeBook.  Is there an explicit
> policy/approach for handling the BT content?  I know you can turn it off
(as
> a viewer).  Still, it's nice to know that the useful content actually
> *should* disappear (presumably by getting incorporated into the book
itself
> or a FAQ).  If nothing else, it helps minimize the amount of cruft that
> piles up over time.  And it would seem best not to alarm people who might
> otherwise assume their BackTalk will just be immortalized there forever.
>
> > We have a couple of editors (I've volunteered myself for this role, but
> > anyone else is welcome to join) who will add content. Not just from
> > themselves but also from Wiki's, websites, How-tos and so on to build up
a
> > coherent book. It might take a while to get anything I would call a
book,
> > but it would provide one place to access and improve this stuff.
>
> I'd like to volunteer to contribute to adding/editing content.  I'm a
total
> Plone newbie.  I hope to leverage that as a cheap way to appear to have
> Beginner's Mind.  <wink>
>
> > Chapter 1: Introduction (What is Plone/CMF/Zope/Python/Content
Management)
> > Chapter 2: Installing Plone (Windows, OSX, Linux, issues,
> > requirements etc)
> > Chapter 3: Using Plone (users point of view, probably be more
> > than chapter)
> > Chapter 4: Administering Plone (Workflow, users, reviewing)
> > Chapter 5: Configuring Plone (Security, actions, slots etc)
> > Chapter 6: Customizing Plone (ZPT etc)
> > Chapter 7: Plone Style Guide
> > Chapter 8: Extending Plone
> >
> > Appendix A: Resources
> > Appendix B: FAQ
> > Appendix C: Consultants / Plone Industries
>
> Wow, looks good!
>
> Cheers,
>
> // mark
>
>

RE: [Plone-docs] basic questions

[Mark M. <ma...@mc...>]

[Andy McKay [mailto:an...@ag...]]
> Here's my idea. We are getting a CMF version of BackTalk up and
> running that
> we'll put on Plone.org. If you don't know BackTalk is how the current
> ZopeBook is displayed where users can enter comments and so on.

Yup, I've seen BT in action on the ZopeBook.  Is there an explicit
policy/approach for handling the BT content?  I know you can turn it off (as
a viewer).  Still, it's nice to know that the useful content actually
*should* disappear (presumably by getting incorporated into the book itself
or a FAQ).  If nothing else, it helps minimize the amount of cruft that
piles up over time.  And it would seem best not to alarm people who might
otherwise assume their BackTalk will just be immortalized there forever.

> We have a couple of editors (I've volunteered myself for this role, but
> anyone else is welcome to join) who will add content. Not just from
> themselves but also from Wiki's, websites, How-tos and so on to build up a
> coherent book. It might take a while to get anything I would call a book,
> but it would provide one place to access and improve this stuff.

I'd like to volunteer to contribute to adding/editing content.  I'm a total
Plone newbie.  I hope to leverage that as a cheap way to appear to have
Beginner's Mind.  <wink>

> Chapter 1: Introduction (What is Plone/CMF/Zope/Python/Content Management)
> Chapter 2: Installing Plone (Windows, OSX, Linux, issues,
> requirements etc)
> Chapter 3: Using Plone (users point of view, probably be more
> than chapter)
> Chapter 4: Administering Plone (Workflow, users, reviewing)
> Chapter 5: Configuring Plone (Security, actions, slots etc)
> Chapter 6: Customizing Plone (ZPT etc)
> Chapter 7: Plone Style Guide
> Chapter 8: Extending Plone
>
> Appendix A: Resources
> Appendix B: FAQ
> Appendix C: Consultants / Plone Industries

Wow, looks good!

Cheers,

// mark

Re: [Plone-docs] basic questions

[Andy M. <an...@ag...>]

> What seems to be missing from the documentation I've found is a very
> high-level:
>
>   What is Content Management?
>   What is CMF?
>   What is Plone?

Yes good questions.

Here's my idea. We are getting a CMF version of BackTalk up and running that
we'll put on Plone.org. If you don't know BackTalk is how the current
ZopeBook is displayed where users can enter comments and so on.

We have a couple of editors (I've volunteered myself for this role, but
anyone else is welcome to join) who will add content. Not just from
themselves but also from Wiki's, websites, How-tos and so on to build up a
coherent book. It might take a while to get anything I would call a book,
but it would provide one place to access and improve this stuff. My basic
rough draft would be something like

Chapter 1: Introduction (What is Plone/CMF/Zope/Python/Content Management)
Chapter 2: Installing Plone (Windows, OSX, Linux, issues, requirements etc)
Chapter 3: Using Plone (users point of view, probably be more than chapter)
Chapter 4: Administering Plone (Workflow, users, reviewing)
Chapter 5: Configuring Plone (Security, actions, slots etc)
Chapter 6: Customizing Plone (ZPT etc)
Chapter 7: Plone Style Guide
Chapter 8: Extending Plone

Appendix A: Resources
Appendix B: FAQ
Appendix C: Consultants / Plone Industries

I really hope to get this up and running ASAP.
--
  Andy McKay
  www.agmweb.ca


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark McEahern" <ma...@mc...>
To: "Plone-Docs Mailing List" <plo...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:02 AM
Subject: [Plone-docs] basic questions


> What seems to be missing from the documentation I've found is a very
> high-level:
>
>   What is Content Management?
>   What is CMF?
>   What is Plone?
>
> Perhaps because these are obvious?  Not to me, anyway.  I keep thinking
the
> incline of my learning curve with Plone would be a little less steep if I
> had some basic intro to frame my understanding.  As it is, I'm decomposing
> Plone, tinkering with it, customizing it here and there, using Find to
> locate things.
>
> Example:
>
> I wonder, "How does the login box show up?"
>
> I happen to stumble upon the Properties tab of the root portal object,
where
> I see stuff like this:
>
>   here/login_slot/macros/loginBox
>
> in the left and right slots lists.  So then I wonder, "Where is
login_slot?"
> I resort to using Find on the root portal object and see that it's in
> portal_skins/plone_templates/ui_slots.
>
> And I feel rewarded by this discovery.  But wouldn't it be nice if I had a
> tutorial or something that started out answering/framing:
>
>   What is Content Management?
>   What is CMF?
>   What is Plone?
>
> And then drilled into the specifics of Plone (perhaps these are specifics
of
> CMF?):
>
>   What makes up a page?
>   What are portal_actions?
>   What are ui_slots?
>   Best practices...
>   Sample doodad...
>
> Cheers,
>
> // mark
>
>
>
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[Plone-docs] basic questions

[Mark M. <ma...@mc...>]

What seems to be missing from the documentation I've found is a very
high-level:

  What is Content Management?
  What is CMF?
  What is Plone?

Perhaps because these are obvious?  Not to me, anyway.  I keep thinking the
incline of my learning curve with Plone would be a little less steep if I
had some basic intro to frame my understanding.  As it is, I'm decomposing
Plone, tinkering with it, customizing it here and there, using Find to
locate things.

Example:

I wonder, "How does the login box show up?"

I happen to stumble upon the Properties tab of the root portal object, where
I see stuff like this:

  here/login_slot/macros/loginBox

in the left and right slots lists.  So then I wonder, "Where is login_slot?"
I resort to using Find on the root portal object and see that it's in
portal_skins/plone_templates/ui_slots.

And I feel rewarded by this discovery.  But wouldn't it be nice if I had a
tutorial or something that started out answering/framing:

  What is Content Management?
  What is CMF?
  What is Plone?

And then drilled into the specifics of Plone (perhaps these are specifics of
CMF?):

  What makes up a page?
  What are portal_actions?
  What are ui_slots?
  Best practices...
  Sample doodad...

Cheers,

// mark

[Plone-docs] hello

[Mark M. <ma...@mc...>]

Hi, I just joined the list.  I've been using Zope for about a month, Python
for over a year, and I just installed CMF 1.3 and Plone 1.0 beta 1 today.  I
am very much a Plone newbie and I hope to utilize my newbie cluenessness to
help contribute to the documentation that I wish were there already.  <wink>

Cheers,

// mark