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Re:[pilot-db-list] DB and the Targus Stowaway Keyboard

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

The next version, i have the same problem with the emulator.



> Hi!!!  Will anyone be upgrading the DB program to be compatible with the
> Targus Stowaway Keyboard for the Handspring Prism?  I do use the keyboard
> with it but it will not move to the next field when you hit the appropriate key.  I have to use the stylus to move to each field right now.  By the way I think this program is great!!!!
> 
> Thanks, Dave.

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[pilot-db-list] More Databases

[<aji...@t-...>]

If anyone is interested, I've just created and added two databases:
1) British English for US-Citizens
2) Clothes-Size conversion

Hans

[pilot-db-list] leading 0

[<aji...@t-...>]

I agree with Carson Wilcox.

If one requires leading zeros (e.g. passwords) 
one should use a text field.


>If you enter a leading 0, it gets stored as the dec 
>equivalent of the octal value.
>I don't see a problem with this actually, since it's
>an int field, not an octal field and an int is a
>decimal value. Also it's reasonable since I have hopes
>that Marc will provide calculated fields at some point
>down the road.
>If for some reason you really need to store and octal
>or hex value, why not use a text field?

Re: [pilot-db-list] leading zero bug is octal

[Harald Hanche-O. <ha...@ma...>]

+ Thomas Mueller <tw...@s2...>:

| 2. it is a "feature", that is, you can use a leading zero to enter 
| octal numbers, and a leading 0x to enter hexadecimal numbers.

That was my first thought too, but from the original message...

+ "Butler, Kevin" <Kev...@st...>:

| > When I enter a value in a numeric field that begins with zero
| > (like "0123") it either gets stored as a completely different
| > number when I save (like "52")

... I inferred (wrongly, as it turned out) that entering 0123 produced
52, so I dismissed that theory out of hand, and turned my attention
elsewhere, since this was clearly beyond my ken. Which goes to show
that it is always better to give accurate information when reporting a
bug.  But I digress... 8-)

+ Carson Wilcox <car...@ya...>:

| I don't see a problem with this actually, since it's an int field,
| not an octal field and an int is a decimal value.

Well, I feel like disagreeing here: An integer is just an integer,
there is nothing decimal about it. Decimal is a word we apply to a
specific representation of integers, which is a different thing.

The feature is clearly somewhat problematic, as it confuses users. At
the very least, it should be documented. But in any case I think it is
of very limited value as long as the result is always shown as
decimal.[1] If an option were added to display some numeric fields as
octal or hexadecimal, then perhaps this feature might be useful to
some.

[1] Reminds me of an old operating system I once worked on in which
some parameters were expected to be octal on input, and some were
expected to be decimal. Similarly, some were displayed as octal and
some as decimal, with no indication as to which was which. And here is
the killer: The input and output number bases for some paramterers
were different!.

- Harald

[pilot-db-list] leading 0

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

I disagree, an int is a decimal number and should
remain that. If you are entering a password, it should
be in a text field. Passwords are almost invariablly
an alphanumeric field, not a numeric one.

Carson

>A leading zero does serve a purpose actually - if one
>is keying in a
>password that includes a leading zero, then dropping
>it leaves one
>without the knowledge of whether it is needed or not.
>Rather than trying to make assumptions of what the
>user of a package
>needs, I recommend leaving what someone types into a
>field EXACTLY as
>they type it.  If a field has entry contraints, just
>don't let the
>wrong kind of data be entered into the field in the
>first place

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[pilot-db-list] leading zero

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

I didn't catch this last night. If you enter a leading
0, it gets stored as the dec equivalent of the octal
value.
I don't see a problem with this actually, since it's
an int field, not an octal field and an int is a
decimal value. Also it's reasonable since I have hopes
that Marc will provide calculated fields at some point
down the road.
If for some reason you really need to store and octal
or hex value, why not use a text field?
Carson

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[pilot-db-list] Db-Source code

[Peter M. <mie...@ge...>]

Is DB source code available for development under windows?
If so where can it be obtained?
Thanks
Pete.

[pilot-db-list] leading zero bug is octal

[Thomas M. <tw...@s2...>]

Hi,

On Friday 21 September 2001 22:55, Butler, Kevin wrote:

I just tried to reproduce the leading zero problem.

1. it only occurs in number fields.
2. it is a "feature", that is, you can use a leading zero to enter 
octal numbers, and a leading 0x to enter hexadecimal numbers.

The code apparently just uses the standard C function to convert 
strings to integers. The question now is whether this is a useful 
feature or not. I think it is not, because it is not intuitive for 
non-programmers.

MfG :-)
Thomas

Re: [pilot-db-list] leading zero's

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

> A leading zero serves no purpose, it doesn't change
> the value of the number.

A leading zero does serve a purpose actually - if one is keying in a
password that includes a leading zero, then dropping it leaves one
without the knowledge of whether it is needed or not.

Rather than trying to make assumptions of what the user of a package
needs, I recommend leaving what someone types into a field EXACTLY as
they type it.  If a field has entry contraints, just don't let the
wrong kind of data be entered into the field in the first place.
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[pilot-db-list] leading zero's

[Carson W. <car...@ya...>]

I see the problem with leading zero's in the 0.3.3
alpha also. However I will add that I don't see the
default value of zero. If I don't enter a value in an
int field, the field remains blank, I feel that this
is the proper behavier. There should not be a default
value of zero.
Also the usuall default for an int with a leading zero
is to drop the zero. For example if I convert a string
of "01234" to an int it will convert to 1234, not
01234.
A leading zero serves no purpose, it doesn't change
the value of the number.
Carson

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[pilot-db-list] one more feature request

[Baruch E. <ba...@ev...>]

An addition to the former list:

When leaving an edited but unsaved record, the program should ask if I
want to save, discard or cancel. I've lost some written records because
I pressed the wrong button.

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[pilot-db-list] pilot-db wishlist

[Baruch E. <ba...@ev...>]

Hello,

I've recently got my PalmPilot Vx and started to use pilot-db with it,
first I'd like to say thanks for a wonderful program.

next I'd like to ask to add a few ideas to your wishlist :-)

Add a field type called 'name' or 'person', such a field should be
lookup-able from the address book, specific scenario for this is a
"loaned stuff" database, I want to place peoples in there and to be able
to just look them up from the address book. It would be great if I could
also goto their address book record when viewing the database.


One function sorely missing is move-up/down in fields, this is a
graffiti keystroke that works in most applications to travel between
fields.


A matter of taste, but I'd like to have the field names automatically
starting with a capital letter, without me needing to do an extra
keystroke (yes, I'm lazy, that's why I got the PalmPilot :-)


Continuing the former idea, I'd love the ability to signify that a field
in the database should start with a capital letter.


That's all, please cc directly to me as I'm not subscribed (too much
mail as it is).

Baruch

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[pilot-db-list] Is this a Bug in DB (Pilot-DB) 0.3.2?

[Butler, K. <Kev...@st...>]

Tom Dyas suggested I send this possible bug report to this list:

> I'm enjoying trying out your fine DB program.
> 
> One bug, perhaps?  When I enter a value in a numeric field that begins
> with zero (like "0123") it either gets stored as a completely different
> number when I save (like "52") or I get an error message that the data is
> the wrong type for the field.
> 
> Obviously, I can work around this.  But since the numeric field default to
> a value of "0", it's tempting just to add digits to the existing field,
> which leaves me with the leading zero problem.
> 
> Thanks, in any event!
> 
> Kevin Butler
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[pilot-db-list] DB and the Targus Stowaway Keyboard

[<sal...@cs...>]

Hi!!!  Will anyone be upgrading the DB program to be compatible with the
Targus Stowaway Keyboard for the Handspring Prism?  I do use the keyboard
with it but it will not move to the next field when you hit the appropriate key.  I have to use the stylus to move to each field right now.  By the way I think this program is great!!!!

Thanks, Dave.

Re: [pilot-db-list] LinkMaster???

[Larry K. T. <LK...@we...>]

If an application is "Link Aware" it can "Publish" links to Link Master.  =
If it is a "Link Container" it can hold links and therefore jump from one =
place to another.

Look at ThoughtStream and Progect

http://sourceforge.net/projects/progect/=20


http://sourceforge.net/projects/thoughtstream/=20


The Link Master page you refer to is necessary, but alone it does not do =
much.

Note too that Diddle a nice drawing program is "Link Aware" so you can =
link to a drawing app from a app that is a "Link Container".  This would =
be a nice addition to DB.

http://blevins.simplenet.com/diddle/diddle.htm=20


Thanks for all the hard work
Larry



>>> "Chalain Marc" <mar...@vo...> 09/20/01 01:06PM >>>
I know LinkMaster, i have it on my device, but i don't use it, i don't =
know how to use it.
For me LinkMaster is a page with records that i selected. After if i go in =
this page i can go to this record or delete it. But can i link one record =
with another record and not more? Is it possible to link couple of =
records????
I don't understand what you want exactly. (if some body can explain to me =
in french i will be very happy).
Now i implement a Link Type Field, when you design your database if you =
create this type of field, you should select a database and a field of =
this database. After when you create a record you can select a record of =
this database and you will see the field's contain for this record.
(Perhaps i will add more like Address Database.)

Salut,
Marc.
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[pilot-db-list] LinkMaster???

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

I know LinkMaster, i have it on my device, but i don't use it, i don't know how to use it.
For me LinkMaster is a page with records that i selected. After if i go in this page i can go to this record or delete it. But can i link one record with another record and not more? Is it possible to link couple of records????
I don't understand what you want exactly. (if some body can explain to me in french i will be very happy).
Now i implement a Link Type Field, when you design your database if you create this type of field, you should select a database and a field of this database. After when you create a record you can select a record of this database and you will see the field's contain for this record.
(Perhaps i will add more like Address Database.)

Salut,
Marc.
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[pilot-db-list] News Agency DataBase

[<aji...@t-...>]

In case anyone is interested, I've just created and added
a database with a list of news agencies and infos such
as web site, location and year founded

Hans

Re: [pilot-db-list] editing records

[Oliver G. <oli...@we...>]

Hi Thomas!

Thomas Mueller wrote:

> And one last thing: I have used HandBase for a while and had a 
> database containing the train schedules for two stations (Bonn and 
> Koblenz) as taken from www.bahn.de. It was very convenient to have 
> this since I could just filter on the destination I wanted to 
> travel to (on two fields, the destination and the via field) and 
> then search for the time I wanted to go. If you ever come around 
> implementing filtering I will probably adapt the Perl script I used 
> to create the schedules and make it publicly available.


If you just want certain train schedules for Germany on your Palm
you probably want to look into the Palm version of the official
train schedule information of the Deutsche Bahn.

I realise that this has nothing to to with db, but I thought I'd
mention it, because it's a free and easy way to carry around train
schedule information for Germany. It's probably easier to use
than converting the schedule from some other format to db.

You can donwload the viewer software here:
<http://print2web.hafas.de/bin/help.exe/dn?tpl=palm>

and train schedules here:
<http://print2web.hafas.de/bin/query-p2w.exe/dn?output=pdb>

The main page is
<http://www.hafas.de/hafas/palm.html>

Cheers,
	Oliver


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Re: [pilot-db-list] PilotDB and LinkMaster

[Matt M. <mm...@qw...>]

On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 11:12:07AM -0400, Larry K. Turner wrote:
> I would like to see DB become a Link Container not just Link Aware. =20
>=20
> This would allow you to link from DB to another application.  For an
> example look at Progect http://sourceforge.net/projects/progect/

I would second this -- the use of Progect with Pilot-DB allows for a real=
ly
nice way of implementing a an enhanced phone-tree.  I use it for our
Amateur Radio Emergency Service work.

Now, I'm not sure what the difference between "Link-Aware" and "Link
Container" is -- but I do find linkmaster support to be an excellent
feature!


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Re: [pilot-db-list] PilotDB and LinkMaster

[Larry K. T. <LK...@we...>]

I would like to see DB become a Link Container not just Link Aware. =20

This would allow you to link from DB to another application.  For an =
example look at Progect http://sourceforge.net/projects/progect/=20

Larry


>>> "Vasko Miroslav" <va...@di...> 09/18/01 04:31AM >>>
Hi,

I have played with LinkMaster and Pilot-DB. So, in my wishlist are some
new items.

1. I want to publish link to the database, too, not only to record
2. I want to know, which record I published, because if I export more
than one record from one database, I get many links with the same name -
database name, it would be usefull, if the records from the same
database will be numbered. "MyDatabase 001,. "MyDatabase 002" etc.
Number can be physical record number in database
3. and finally - I wanted to insert a link TO the string/note field and
easily jump to the target application from the PilotDB

I hope, that it will be implemented in the near future,
miro

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[pilot-db-list] 0.3.3 update

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

Oups!!8|
It's work on Pose and PalmOS 3.5.2. i didn't try on others devices.
Sorry, i will test more before to send a new version.
I delete the zip file.
Salut,
Marc.
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RE: [pilot-db-list] Pilot-DB 0.3.2 question

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

Roger Eden wrote:
> Please excuse my ignorance - What are plugins?  Where can I get them, learn
> about them? By the way, really love this program so far!

First the Plugin mechanism is in beta(-alpha).
Second the plugins can add new features to DB without lose memory if you don't want this features. They are parts of software that's executed at the start of DB or when you select one in the Plugin's Box. You have the access of Plugin's Box in the Chooser, ListView and EditView forms in each one you can see only the plugins availables.
Now there are not a lot of plugins:
 * MobileDB databases support, launched at the beginning.
 * DB2 databases support, launched at the beginning.
 * JFile3 databases support, launched at the beginning.
 * information about the current database, launched in the ListView.
I try to do some new plugins but with the next version i haven't enought time. I try to do:
 * export record in memo.
 * Sort editor.
Salut,
Marc.

PS: i have yet a problem with Prc-Tool (the compilator and tools) which is in developpement and not still supports the plugins.
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Re:[pilot-db-list] Long text fields

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

cvs2pdb will support Note fields in a close future, read the previous mails from Tom Dyas.
Salut,
Marc.


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Re:[pilot-db-list] Pilot-DB 0.3.2 question

[Chalain Marc<mar...@vo...>]

Larry W. Virden wrote:

> 1. Is the 0.3.2 .zip files available for download on the sf.net a release,
> or a beta?  The NEWS file included says:
> 0.3.1 -> 0.3.2beta1 (June 28, 2001)
> and doesn't list anything for 0.3.2beta1 -> 0.3.2 ...

In fact i added some problems. The first time, i would a documentation in the release, but i haven't clear users' documentation. After i realized that to give a name as 0.3.2.betax i have some problems to delete them. And at the end some people found some bugs.
Now the current db-0_3_2.zip and db-0_3_2iconic.zip files contain the last 0.3.2 application. I think i will not update this files, even if there are a little bug when you create a record and go out with the hard buttons (this bug should be corrected in the 0.3.3).
 
> 2. In the db0_3_2iconic.zip file, there is a db.prc - to what does this
> correspond?  Also, in that same zip, I don't see any plugins.  Are these
> now distributed seperately?

The db-0_3_2iconic.zip contains DB application. The differents with the db-0_3_2.zip is the User Interface. The first one use icons for the buttons of the main screens. The second still use the text buttons for Done, Cancel, New, Modify, Find buttons. I do two files to know what the users prefer, but i haven't enought returns to do a choice.
For the plugins i do another file because with them, the application file is to big for the download.
I send again a question, How do you want i do the application's package. You should think that not every people speak english in the world (the first language is chinese and the second is spanish and DB haven't translations in the both:)!!

Salut,
Marc.
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[pilot-db-list] Pilot-DB 0.3.2 question

[Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...>]

1. Is the 0.3.2 .zip files available for download on the sf.net a release,
or a beta?  The NEWS file included says:
0.3.1 -> 0.3.2beta1 (June 28, 2001)
and doesn't list anything for 0.3.2beta1 -> 0.3.2 ...

2. In the db0_3_2iconic.zip file, there is a db.prc - to what does this
correspond?  Also, in that same zip, I don't see any plugins.  Are these
now distributed seperately?
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