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Re: [Gaim-devel] Anyone having a try with skype (Gaim as a messaging UI through skype public api)?

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 2/23/07, Martin Ott <pah...@gm...> wrote:
> Maybe I'm slightly insane but somehow I discovered skype to have its public
> api: https://developer.skype.com/Docs/ApiDoc

The "public API" is just an IPC DBUS interface. It's GPL-compatible,
but not really that useful. You have to have Skype running and, at
that point, why even bother using anything else?

-s.

[Gaim-devel] Anyone having a try with skype (Gaim as a messaging UI through skype public api)?

[Martin O. <pah...@gm...>]

Hi!

Maybe I'm slightly insane but somehow I discovered skype to have its public
api: https://developer.skype.com/Docs/ApiDoc

Could someone more familiar with the internals of Gaim give a quick look
over it and warn if there is any major difficulties in getting at least the
text messaging part to work through Skype protocol?

I do not know which one would be wiser: (a) to wait for gaim-vv; or (b) not
to look for Skype at all. The real problem is that soon almost as many
Estonians are skype users as there currently is MSN ones (and only a
minority has Google talk enabled).

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[Gaim-devel] A Survey on Defect Management Practices in Free/Open Source Software

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[Gaim-devel] Question about Perl...

[Luca S. <ga...@sp...>]

Hi, i'm trying to develop a Perl plugin to retrieve the list of my 
buddies that are online and i was trying something like:

     my $protocol = "YMSG";
     my $account_name = "my_account";
     $account = Gaim::Accounts::find($account_name, $protocol);
     @buddy_array = Gaim::Find::buddies($account, undef);
     if (@buddy_array)
     {
         Gaim::Debug::info("testplugin", "Buddies in list (" . 
@buddy_array . "): \n");
         foreach $bud (@buddy_array)
         {
             Gaim::Debug::info("testplugin", 
Gaim::BuddyList::Buddy::get_name($bud) . "\n");
             print LIST $bud;
         }
     }



... provided that "my_account" is a valid and logged in yahoo account 
and LIST is a valid handle to a file opened for
writing ... i always obtain an empty list (@buddy_array is empty).

Note that i almost copied the example found on gammu's wiki...

What i'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance
Luca

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...>]

Luke Schierer spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I've used escape for meta that way in mutt also.

Yes, many applications accept Esc-character as M-character, this dates
back quite some time; the behavior I have not seen is screen holding
on to ESC and then generating an 8-bit meta sequence.  Most terminals,
in fact, artificially generate an Esc-character sequence, rather than
using an 8-bit meta, to my understanding.

Ethan

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Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 11:40:44PM -0500, Adil wrote:
> 
> --- Ethan Blanton <ebl...@cs...> wrote:
> 
> > Adil spake unto us the following wisdom:
> > > When you press escape inside screen, it doesn't immediately send it to
> > the
> > > application. This is why even if you don't have an alt-key, you can
> > press
> > > "<esc><alphanum>" in somewhat quick succession to get the effect of
> > > pressing alt+<alphanum>. For this very reason, pressing escape doesn't
> > > immediately close a menu. If you try closing the menu outside screen,
> > it
> > > should work with the first <esc> keypress.
> > 
> > This is not my experience at all; is that an option?

I've used escape for meta that way in mutt also.

luke

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Adil <ad...@ya...>]

--- Ethan Blanton <ebl...@cs...> wrote:

> Adil spake unto us the following wisdom:
> > When you press escape inside screen, it doesn't immediately send it to
> the
> > application. This is why even if you don't have an alt-key, you can
> press
> > "<esc><alphanum>" in somewhat quick succession to get the effect of
> > pressing alt+<alphanum>. For this very reason, pressing escape doesn't
> > immediately close a menu. If you try closing the menu outside screen,
> it
> > should work with the first <esc> keypress.
> 
> This is not my experience at all; is that an option?

Not that I am aware of. This happens by default for me. (eg.
console/libgnt/test/key waits a while before it prints 27 for the first
escape).

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Re: [Gaim-devel] idea for gaim

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 2/20/07, Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> wrote:
> It's not.  I've looked at it briefly, and it doesn't look like it'd be
> too hard to figure out, it also runs on the same port as MSN.

Which is what leads to the claims that it "uses the MSN protocol."

I'd say this thing has "summer of code project" written all over it.

-s.

Re: [Gaim-devel] idea for gaim

[Gary K. <gr...@re...>]

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> That being said, some of the new IM services are in fact xmpp servers,
> which gaim supports already, by creating a "jabber" account with the
> correct values.  I know livejournal works this way, I do not know if
> myspace is or is not also xmpp.
> 
> luke

It's not.  I've looked at it briefly, and it doesn't look like it'd be
too hard to figure out, it also runs on the same port as MSN.  I may
eventually pursue it more, but thats completely dependent on time I
don't have. :)

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Re: [Gaim-devel] idea for gaim

[Evan S. <ev...@dr...>]

On Feb 20, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Luke Schierer wrote:

> That being said, some of the new IM services are in fact xmpp servers,
> which gaim supports already, by creating a "jabber" account with the
> correct values.  I know livejournal works this way, I do not know if
> myspace is or is not also xmpp.

I believe that myspace is not xmpp -- my recollection is that an  
Adium developer attempted to contact them about interoperability and  
got no response.

-Evan

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...>]

Adil spake unto us the following wisdom:
> When you press escape inside screen, it doesn't immediately send it to the
> application. This is why even if you don't have an alt-key, you can press
> "<esc><alphanum>" in somewhat quick succession to get the effect of
> pressing alt+<alphanum>. For this very reason, pressing escape doesn't
> immediately close a menu. If you try closing the menu outside screen, it
> should work with the first <esc> keypress.

This is not my experience at all; is that an option?

> > I have not encountered this, but I do have a device running Linux and=
=20
> > gaim-text (either natively or over SSH) that has no ALT keys! I tried to
> > rebind them to Ctrl+(capital letter) but it did not work well. I agree
> > that an alternate beginning sequence would be helpful.
>=20
> Quite possibly. I would accept a clean patch that would allow doing that.
> In the meantime, the following bindings work for me:

Control+capital letter is not possible over a standard Unix terminal.

Ethan

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Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Adil <ad...@ya...>]

--- Matthew Ford <mt...@fn...> wrote:

> - The conversation window only has one line for text entry. There is no 
>  way to enter carriage returns, or to read back quickly through a
> long IM message that has scrolled off the screen.
> 

A multiline text entry will indeed by quite interesting. A patch will be
gladly accepted.

> I'm sure a lot of work has gone into the interface, and I don't want to 
> offend anyone - but can I suggest that the developers look at CenterICQ
> as 
> a good model for a console-based IM client?

No offense taken.

As has been mentioned, it's possible to write a custom window manager to
follow the window-management style of CenterICQ. The window-manager will
probably be able to do other operations (eg. change status, get
buddy-information etc.) from some keybindings.

Sadrul

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Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Adil <ad...@ya...>]

> >
> >   - the behavior of the keyboard controls is clumsy and non-intuitive.
> >     After a considerable period playing with the interface, I still
> >     couldn't figure out when to press left/right, up/down or enter.
> 
> I have had similar issues, especially when nothing seemed to work when 
> resizing or to exit a menu.
> 

Admittedly the keyboard controls are mostly unintuitive. However, it is
possible to remap most of the bindings to meet ones likings. It should be
quite possible to use all the features without using the alt key.

When you press escape inside screen, it doesn't immediately send it to the
application. This is why even if you don't have an alt-key, you can press
"<esc><alphanum>" in somewhat quick succession to get the effect of
pressing alt+<alphanum>. For this very reason, pressing escape doesn't
immediately close a menu. If you try closing the menu outside screen, it
should work with the first <esc> keypress.

> >     a problem with my X11 software, admittedly). Since the whole point
> of
> >     a console interface is to enable remote control, there should be
> >     alternative controls for people with ALT problems - like the
> ESC-ESC
> >     sequence in Emacs. Gaim-text is unusable without the ALT controls.
> 
> I have not encountered this, but I do have a device running Linux and 
> gaim-text (either natively or over SSH) that has no ALT keys! I tried to
> rebind them to Ctrl+(capital letter) but it did not work well. I agree
> that an alternate beginning sequence would be helpful.

Quite possibly. I would accept a clean patch that would allow doing that.
In the meantime, the following bindings work for me:

[GntWM::binding]
# bind control-n to window-next
c-N=window-next
# bind control-p to window-prev
c-P=window-prev

> 
> I also have noticed that it is impossible to add buddies or edit their 
> information from gaim-text.
> 

You can add buddies or edit their information from gaim-text. In the
buddylist, select a group and press F11 (yes, possible to rebind that).
That should show a context-menu with an 'Add buddy' item. There are
context-menus for buddies, chats etc. too in the buddylist.

It'd be quite awesome if someone updated the manual, or wrote a brief FAQ
for gaim-text.

> All in all, I and others love gaim-text. If there's a way that I can
> help 
> (without programming -- I don't yet know C), let me know.
> 

*hint* ;)

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Re: [Gaim-devel] idea for gaim

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 01:08:46PM -0500, Jason Steinmetz wrote:
> Not sure who should get this, but an idea for the Gaim developers - what
> about implementing the messenging protocol for MySpace's new IM?  MySpace is
> VERY popular (obviously), so it may be a good way to introduce people into
> gpl software and thereby eventually/hopefully into linux(?)...
> Unfortunately, I am not a programmer myself, so not too much I can add to
> development, etc, but just figured I'd pass along my 2 cents...
> 
> Jason Steinmetz

We have no time at present to attempt to support additional protocols,
particularly where we do not use them ourselves.  It is however entirely
possible to create support for a new protocol as a 3rd party plugin.

That being said, some of the new IM services are in fact xmpp servers,
which gaim supports already, by creating a "jabber" account with the
correct values.  I know livejournal works this way, I do not know if
myspace is or is not also xmpp.

luke

Re: [Gaim-devel] GAIM - Privacy setting keep changing

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:01:22AM -0600, Rodger wrote:
> GAIM Help!
> 
> GAIM 2.0  Beta keeps changing my AIM/ICQ privacy setting!
> 
> I set my AIM/ICQ privacy setting to: "Allow only users on my buddy list" but
> it keeps resetting back to "Block only the users below"
> 
> I have been using GAIM for about 4 years and ALL VERSIONS seem to do this.
> 
> Sorry, If you are not the correct person to send this to.  If you are not
> the correct person and you can suggest the correct person(s) please let me
> know where I can get specific help with this or report this.

I suspect that your particular AIM/ICQ account is an ICQ account.  That
dialog is by far the least intuitive in gaim, with each protocol using
it very differently.  ICQ in particular changes the value of that dialog
every time you change state.  Thus ICQ privacy is rather more difficult
to manipulate than most other protocols.

The privacy dialog needs to be entirely replaced at some point.  We are
not sure when exactly we will be able to start working on it though.

luke

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:06:40PM +0100, Rehan Shaikh wrote:
> Hi Luke,
> 
> I am too trying to execute the gaim-text console interface but i am not
> able to find the exact binary file. Did you mean gntgaim in console
> directory as gaim-text??
> 
> I installed the gaim with and without the gtk version but still was not able
> to connect. I am also not able to compile gntgaim.c file it gives lots of
> error. If possible can you please forward me the entire directory that you
> are having. Basically i want to connect to gaim which will be running on
> server via a ssh client.
> 
> i am trying to understand how gaim works so i can implement in my MSN
> gateway.
> 
> waiting for your reply,
> 
> thanks in advance,
> Rehan.

to compile gaim text, you would still need to run ./configure from the
directory above console/  While gtk is (naturally) not needed, libglib
is.  

While the source file is gntgaim.c, the executable is gaim-text.  Thus
your email leads me to suspect that you did not successfully compile it.

luke

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Rehan S. <reh...@gm...>]

Hi Luke,

 I am too trying to execute the gaim-text console interface but i am not
able to find the exact binary file. Did you mean gntgaim in console
directory as gaim-text??

I installed the gaim with and without the gtk version but still was not able
to connect. I am also not able to compile gntgaim.c file it gives lots of
error. If possible can you please forward me the entire directory that you
are having. Basically i want to connect to gaim which will be running on
server via a ssh client.

i am trying to understand how gaim works so i can implement in my MSN
gateway.

waiting for your reply,

thanks in advance,
Rehan.


On 2/20/07, Luke Schierer <lsc...@us...> wrote:
>
> What terminal are you using to ssh from?  What is your locale?
>
> I use gaim-text remotely nearly every day, inside screen just as you
> describe as the ideal. I have none of the problems you describe.
>
> luke
>
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Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 09:37:39PM -0600, Matthew Ford wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Luke Schierer wrote:
> 
> > What terminal are you using to ssh from?  What is your locale?
> 
> en_GB.

This is the cuase of at least some of your problems.  Switch to
en_GB.UTF-8 on both the local system and the remote system.  gaim-text
does not handle using other encodings well, and you'll have some
additional problems if your encodings aren't the same.

Apple does have unicode locales, but I have had best results after
switching my input method to the American flag with the black U under
it, for the unicode input (I have only tried en_US myself).

I've not used apple's native console application, but urxvt from
darwinports experiences no problems for using the apple key (or the
escape key) as meta, or for the arrow keys.  

luke

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Will T. <wi...@wi...>]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 11:16:00AM +0100, David Balazic wrote:
> Just a note: There are a bunch of IRC and similar clients, that work
> very well in console for ages ;-)
> They could be looked at for hints...

(Of course, an alternative is to use bitlbee within your favourite IRC
client.)

Moving swiftly back on-topic, I believe that it's possible to write
different window managers for gaim-text (or more generally gnt).  It
might be fun for someone who hates the current management to create a
replacement WM modelled on one of the tabbed WMs for X, or maybe even
the aforementioned favourite IRC client.

Will

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[David B. <Dav...@he...>]

Just a note: There are a bunch of IRC and similar clients, that work
very well in console for ages ;-)
They could be looked at for hints...
=20
Regards,
David
=20

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From: gai...@li... on behalf of Matthew Ford
Sent: Tue 20-Feb-07 03:55
To: gai...@li...
Subject: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface



I recently tried out the "gaim-text" console interface, which is =
included
in current beta versions of Gaim.

With due respect to the developers, I must say I was disappointed. A
keyboard-driven ASCII window manager inside a console is a neat idea, =
but
not a practical one. There were several problems:

  - the behavior of the keyboard controls is clumsy and non-intuitive.
    After a considerable period playing with the interface, I still
    couldn't figure out when to press left/right, up/down or enter.

  - the window resizing controls do not work properly. The text inside =
the
    window fails to realign itself properly to the size of the window, =
and
    the border of the window changes permanently to an ugly blue pattern
    of letters when I resize it.

  - I can't get the ALT controls to work from a remote SSH session =
(maybe
    a problem with my X11 software, admittedly). Since the whole point =
of
    a console interface is to enable remote control, there should be
    alternative controls for people with ALT problems - like the ESC-ESC
    sequence in Emacs. Gaim-text is unusable without the ALT controls.

  - The conversation window only has one line for text entry. There is =
no
    way to enter carriage returns, or to read back quickly through a =
long
    IM message that has scrolled off the screen.

I'm sure a lot of work has gone into the interface, and I don't want to
offend anyone - but can I suggest that the developers look at CenterICQ =
as
a good model for a console-based IM client? Unfortunately CenterICQ is =
not
reliable for AIM usage, because connections keep dropping (a problem =
with
the TOC2 servers, I think). So I have a choice between an unreliable
TOC2-based client with an excellent console interface, or a reliable
Oscar-based client with a (frankly) very clumsy console interface. I =
would
really like to see someone put these features together and create a
CenterICQ-like interface for Gaim. Unfortunately the development of
CenterICQ seems to have stopped in the past year, so the Gaim developers
are perhaps the people best placed to implement this!

Why would anyone want a console-based Gaim anyway, you might ask, when a
graphical one is so much prettier? I would like to be able to run an AIM
client inside a "screen" session, and re-attach myself to it remotely, =
so
I can see all the messages I've received while away - and continue a
conversation I started previously in a different physical location.

regards,
Matthew.

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Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...>]

Matthew Ford spake unto us the following wisdom:
>   - the behavior of the keyboard controls is clumsy and non-intuitive.=20
>     After a considerable period playing with the interface, I still=20
>     couldn't figure out when to press left/right, up/down or enter.

I agree that some commands are not intuitive, but I can't say I ever
had a problem with these particular bindings.  That said, I had j/k
and ^p/^n bound for a reason.  ;-)

>   - the window resizing controls do not work properly. The text inside th=
e=20
>     window fails to realign itself properly to the size of the window, an=
d=20
>     the border of the window changes permanently to an ugly blue pattern=
=20
>     of letters when I resize it.
>=20
>   - I can't get the ALT controls to work from a remote SSH session (maybe=
=20
>     a problem with my X11 software, admittedly). Since the whole point of=
=20
>     a console interface is to enable remote control, there should be=20
>     alternative controls for people with ALT problems - like the ESC-ESC=
=20
>     sequence in Emacs. Gaim-text is unusable without the ALT controls.

This is almost certainly a terminfo problem.  Many, if not most,
systems are plagued with incorrect or incomplete terminfo for the
terminals they ship.  In fact, some distributions (and terminal apps!)
intentionally break their terminfo databases in the name of
"compatability" with broken terminals.

I suggest installing rxvt-unicode, putting the rxvt-unicode terminfo
on all involved machines (including those you ssh *to*, which may not
be running urxvt themselves), and trying again.  If the problem
disappears, it is a terminfo problem.

> Why would anyone want a console-based Gaim anyway, you might ask, when a=
=20
> graphical one is so much prettier? I would like to be able to run an AIM=
=20
> client inside a "screen" session, and re-attach myself to it remotely, so=
=20
> I can see all the messages I've received while away - and continue a=20
> conversation I started previously in a different physical location.

I think most people using gaim-text are running it inside screen, for
these very reasons.  I know I am.

I'm personally more concerned with the inability to do any number of
things at normal typing speeds over a connection with any latency or
loss, due to the keystroke parsing.  The absolute values of
keybindings can be adjusted later.  ;-)

Regarding your problems with arrow keys in Terminal.crapp; I think
this was fixed at some point, *provided* that the Terminal.app
terminfo is correct (it almost assuredly is not, given the other
horrendous shortcomings of that piece of software).

Ethan

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Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Matthew F. <mt...@fn...>]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, William Reading wrote:

> Terminal.app on Mac OS X has a checkbox under Terminal->Window
> Settings->Keyboard called "use option as meta key" that might be helpful with
> that problem.

Yes, I can get the ALT key to work in Terminal.app, as you describe. But 
running gaim-text in Terminal.app, the arrow keys don't work! The arrow 
keys work correctly in the shell (even over SSH), but they are ignored in 
gaim-text.

Matthew.

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[William R. <bi...@ag...>]

On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Matthew Ford wrote:

(Other parts snipped)

> Running ssh from my Apple Powerbook laptop, I tried the following  
> (both in
> the standard Apple X11 application)
>
>   Konsole: Alt-keys did not work, so couldn't do anything.
>   xterm:   Alt-keys did not work, so couldn't do anything.

Matthew,

Terminal.app on Mac OS X has a checkbox under Terminal->Window  
Settings->Keyboard called "use option as meta key" that might be  
helpful with that problem.

Regards,
William Reading

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Adrian K. <ak...@gm...>]

On Monday 19 February 2007 20:55, Matthew Ford wrote:
> I recently tried out the "gaim-text" console interface, which is included
> in current beta versions of Gaim.

I have been primarily using gaim-text for a few weeks now (rather than the GTK 
version) for the ability to reattach anywhere. It also seems stabler than GTK 
Gaim for me.

>
> With due respect to the developers, I must say I was disappointed. A
> keyboard-driven ASCII window manager inside a console is a neat idea, but
> not a practical one. There were several problems:
>
>   - the behavior of the keyboard controls is clumsy and non-intuitive.
>     After a considerable period playing with the interface, I still
>     couldn't figure out when to press left/right, up/down or enter.

I have had similar issues, especially when nothing seemed to work when 
resizing or to exit a menu.

>   - the window resizing controls do not work properly. The text inside the
>     window fails to realign itself properly to the size of the window, and
>     the border of the window changes permanently to an ugly blue pattern
>     of letters when I resize it.

I see the same issue from time to time, except I just get blue blocks.

>   - I can't get the ALT controls to work from a remote SSH session (maybe
>     a problem with my X11 software, admittedly). Since the whole point of
>     a console interface is to enable remote control, there should be
>     alternative controls for people with ALT problems - like the ESC-ESC
>     sequence in Emacs. Gaim-text is unusable without the ALT controls.

I have not encountered this, but I do have a device running Linux and 
gaim-text (either natively or over SSH) that has no ALT keys! I tried to 
rebind them to Ctrl+(capital letter) but it did not work well. I agree that 
an alternate beginning sequence would be helpful.

I also have noticed that it is impossible to add buddies or edit their 
information from gaim-text.

All in all, I and others love gaim-text. If there's a way that I can help 
(without programming -- I don't yet know C), let me know.

-- 
Adrian Kreher

Re: [Gaim-devel] gaim-text interface

[Matthew F. <mt...@fn...>]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Luke Schierer wrote:

> What terminal are you using to ssh from?  What is your locale?

en_GB.

> I use gaim-text remotely nearly every day, inside screen just as you 
> describe as the ideal. I have none of the problems you describe.

On the local Linux PC, I've tried Konsole, xterm (running in KDE), and the 
plain console (outside X11). Results were

  Konsole:       Alt-keys worked; but other problems as described.
  xterm:         Alt-keys did not work, so couldn't do anything.
  Plain console: Alt-keys worked; but other problems as described.

Running ssh from my Apple Powerbook laptop, I tried the following (both in 
the standard Apple X11 application)

  Konsole: Alt-keys did not work, so couldn't do anything.
  xterm:   Alt-keys did not work, so couldn't do anything.

I also found that gaim-text says "segmentation fault" when I quit it 
(using ALT-q) - though this isn't really a problem for me. GDB reports:

0x00759d3e in update_row_text (tree=0x8d815a0, row=0x8d6e430) at gnttree.c:230
230                     int len = gnt_util_onscreen_width(col->text, NULL);

(though admittedly GDB might introduce extra problems by scrolling the 
console with its messages).

Matthew.