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From: Richard L. <rl...@wi...> - 2006-08-10 04:53:57
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On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 23:23 -0400, Daniel Atallah wrote: > On 8/9/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote: > > The lawyers have cleared Pidgin; it's ok to use. They've also cleared C= ohort. > > > > I say we settle on Pidgin, start registering domains, setting up > > servers, etc. I can work on a Pidgin-renaming patch. Pidgin is fine by me. I'd love to have this all behind us. > I noticed that pidgin-im.com and .org are both available. These domains seem acceptable. Richard |
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From: Tim R. <om...@ho...> - 2006-08-10 04:20:33
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Sean Egan wrote: > So. How about Pidgin? Pidgin's okay with me. I like double meanings, and birds. But what is IM speak of pidgin of? ;) --Tim |
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From: Daniel A. <dan...@gm...> - 2006-08-10 03:23:39
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On 8/9/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote: > The lawyers have cleared Pidgin; it's ok to use. They've also cleared Cohort. > > I say we settle on Pidgin, start registering domains, setting up > servers, etc. I can work on a Pidgin-renaming patch. I've not been very involved in this whole discussion so far (mostly because I didn't feel like I had anything positive to add since I wasn't enamored with any of the suggestions but couldn't come up with something I liked better). "Pidgin" has grown on me - I'm beginning to actually like it. I don't like cohort (not sure why), so my vote is to just go for Pidgin. Coincidentally, I happened to read about how "Kodak" was named today - it was apparently a completely made up word that Eastman came up with (he liked the letter "K"!). It is obviously too late for something like that at this point, I just thought it was interesting. I noticed that pidgin-im.com and .org are both available. -D |
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From: Warren T. <wt...@re...> - 2006-08-10 03:15:40
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Sean Egan wrote: > I like Pidgin. It's unique, kinda catchy, has an actual, relevant > meaning (IM speakers butcher language), and---most importantly---a > purple pigeon > (http://www.english-country-garden.com/a/i/birds/wood-pigeon-1.jpg) > would be a super fitting logo! > > The lawyers have cleared Pidgin; it's ok to use. They've also cleared > Cohort. > > I say we settle on Pidgin, start registering domains, setting up > servers, etc. I can work on a Pidgin-renaming patch. > > Does anyone hate Pidgin? Should we go with Cohort? Something else? > and I went through a few drafts of the AOL settlement, and I've given > them the OK to send it to AOL for comments. I've attached it here. Pidgin is OK, but I personally would prefer Cohort. OTOH, AOL seemed to like [NEW NAME] =) Warren Togami wt...@re... |
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From: Evan S. <ev...@dr...> - 2006-08-10 03:06:58
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On Aug 9, 2006, at 10:26 PM, Gary Kramlich wrote: > Sean Egan wrote: >> I like Pidgin. It's unique, kinda catchy, has an actual, relevant >> meaning (IM speakers butcher language), and---most importantly---a >> purple pigeon >> (http://www.english-country-garden.com/a/i/birds/wood-pigeon-1.jpg) >> would be a super fitting logo! Pidgin sounds good to me :) >> >> The lawyers have cleared Pidgin; it's ok to use. They've also cleared >> Cohort. >> >> I say we settle on Pidgin, start registering domains, setting up >> servers, etc. I can work on a Pidgin-renaming patch. > > I'll second that! But pidgin.cc seems to be the only available > pidgin.TLD outside of other country TLD's. We don't have gaim.com or gaim.org at present... if sourceforge remains The Answer, are we going to rename the project to pidgin and be pidgin.sourceforge.net? A .com would be nice, even if it's just a redirect to the sourceforge site... but pidginmessenger is a bit long, and pidginim looks a bit odd. -Evan |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-08-10 02:26:29
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Sean Egan wrote: > I like Pidgin. It's unique, kinda catchy, has an actual, relevant > meaning (IM speakers butcher language), and---most importantly---a > purple pigeon > (http://www.english-country-garden.com/a/i/birds/wood-pigeon-1.jpg) > would be a super fitting logo! > > The lawyers have cleared Pidgin; it's ok to use. They've also cleared > Cohort. > > I say we settle on Pidgin, start registering domains, setting up > servers, etc. I can work on a Pidgin-renaming patch. I'll second that! But pidgin.cc seems to be the only available pidgin.TLD outside of other country TLD's. > Does anyone hate Pidgin? Should we go with Cohort? Something else? > and I went through a few drafts of the AOL settlement, and I've given > them the OK to send it to AOL for comments. I've attached it here. <snip> > Paragraph 3: This is what they give up. They say that, with the > exception of the trademark thing, they have no problem with anything > we're doing regarding their intellectual property rights. Computer code seems like it could be misconstrued... <snip> > > So. How about Pidgin? > As I said above, sounds good, but we still need to figure out the domain name(s). -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-08-10 01:56:31
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I like Pidgin. It's unique, kinda catchy, has an actual, relevant meaning (IM speakers butcher language), and---most importantly---a purple pigeon (http://www.english-country-garden.com/a/i/birds/wood-pigeon-1.jpg) would be a super fitting logo! The lawyers have cleared Pidgin; it's ok to use. They've also cleared Cohort. I say we settle on Pidgin, start registering domains, setting up servers, etc. I can work on a Pidgin-renaming patch. Does anyone hate Pidgin? Should we go with Cohort? Something else? and I went through a few drafts of the AOL settlement, and I've given them the OK to send it to AOL for comments. I've attached it here. I'll address some of the more obvious questions; feel free to reply-all if you need any other clarifications: Paragraph 2: "contributed" and "distributed" have no special definition, and the obvious definitions are the ones that apply. This covers all of us; Adium is considered a "distributor, and so "powered by libgaim" is protected. Paragraph 3: This is what they give up. They say that, with the exception of the trademark thing, they have no problem with anything we're doing regarding their intellectual property rights. Paragraph 4: We change our name within 30 days. We can keep the webpage and redirect it and we can the term Gaim in our API; which saves a headache. Plus, 10 years from now we'll all feel like OS X developers. In an oversight, I left in "prior to the date of this agreement" regarding the souce code and documentation, which would disclude us from ever writing new code that references any of the existing code. Whoops! We'll fix that in the next draft. Paragraph 5: AOL can't sue us about trademarks. They can sue other projects (e.g. Adium, for "Powered by libgaim"), but we'll publish this settlement, so that paragraph two can be used to have any such suit thrown out. So. How about Pidgin? |
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From: Robert F. <rf...@so...> - 2006-08-07 15:54:29
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Meh - I tried to reply to Mark and it went to all. Sorry about that all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Flynn" <rf...@so...> To: <gai...@li...> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Gaim-cabal] Another Gaim name vote! > Sorry about the delay, my spam filter ate this one: > > > Favorite to least fav: > > Aria > Cohort > Pidgin > Adagio > Spiel > Crossthread > Motto > Jumble > Seance > Kestrel > Tincan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-cabal mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-cabal > |
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From: Robert F. <rf...@so...> - 2006-08-07 15:36:23
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Sorry about the delay, my spam filter ate this one: Favorite to least fav: Aria Cohort Pidgin Adagio Spiel Crossthread Motto Jumble Seance Kestrel Tincan |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-08-04 00:42:52
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Ethan Blanton wrote: > And Sean's thunderbird must top-post, and yours must also not allow > you to clip unneeded quotations ... sounds like some people need new > mail software. ;-) > > Ethan But that would require downloading, installing, and reading, and that's just not going to happen :) -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2006-08-04 00:36:36
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Gary Kramlich spake unto us the following wisdom: > Sean Egan wrote: > > I've asked the lawyers to clear Pidgin [snip a couple dozen lines] > Awesome! I could have sworn i hit reply and not reply to all, damn you > thunderbird for respecting a reply-to header!! And Sean's thunderbird must top-post, and yours must also not allow you to clip unneeded quotations ... sounds like some people need new mail software. ;-) Ethan --=20 The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764 |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-08-03 23:49:54
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Sean Egan wrote: > I've asked the lawyers to clear Pidgin > > -s. > > On 8/3/06, Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> wrote: >> Mark Doliner wrote: >>> Alright, let's eliminate names that weren't popular. Could everyone please >>> rank the names below and mail your list directly to me? Maybe we can >>> eliminate a few more. >>> >>> Adagio >>> Aria >>> Cohort >>> Crossthread >>> Jumble >>> Kestrel >>> Motto >>> Pidgin >>> Seance >>> Spiel >>> Tincan >>> >>> -Mark >>> >> >> Pidgin >> Spiel >> Cohort >> Jumble >> Adagio >> Kestrel >> Tincan >> Aria >> Motto >> Seance >> Crossthread >> >> -- >> Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> Awesome! I could have sworn i hit reply and not reply to all, damn you thunderbird for respecting a reply-to header!! -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-08-03 23:47:31
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I've asked the lawyers to clear Pidgin -s. On 8/3/06, Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> wrote: > Mark Doliner wrote: > > Alright, let's eliminate names that weren't popular. Could everyone please > > rank the names below and mail your list directly to me? Maybe we can > > eliminate a few more. > > > > Adagio > > Aria > > Cohort > > Crossthread > > Jumble > > Kestrel > > Motto > > Pidgin > > Seance > > Spiel > > Tincan > > > > -Mark > > > > > Pidgin > Spiel > Cohort > Jumble > Adagio > Kestrel > Tincan > Aria > Motto > Seance > Crossthread > > -- > Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-cabal mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-cabal > |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-08-03 23:43:52
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Mark Doliner wrote: > Alright, let's eliminate names that weren't popular. Could everyone please > rank the names below and mail your list directly to me? Maybe we can > eliminate a few more. > > Adagio > Aria > Cohort > Crossthread > Jumble > Kestrel > Motto > Pidgin > Seance > Spiel > Tincan > > -Mark > Pidgin Spiel Cohort Jumble Adagio Kestrel Tincan Aria Motto Seance Crossthread -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-08-03 08:41:46
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Alright, let's eliminate names that weren't popular. Could everyone please rank the names below and mail your list directly to me? Maybe we can eliminate a few more. Adagio Aria Cohort Crossthread Jumble Kestrel Motto Pidgin Seance Spiel Tincan -Mark |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-08-01 01:33:39
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Mark Doliner wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:11:15 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote >> On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:06:41 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote >>> On Mon, 15 May 2006 18:02:25 -0700, Sean Egan wrote >>>> The last decent name I remember being suggested was "Cohort." >>>> >>>> Does anyone else have any current favorites? >>> Man, we really need to pick a name. How about we make a list of 30 >>> and then have each person rank their top 10? Please email me >>> directly with any additions to the below list, or any names that you >>> think are absolutely awful -Mark >> Alright! Everyone please rank your top 10 names from the choices >> below and email them directly to me. And if you happen to have any >> new names, send those too, but don't include them in your top 10. >> If we decide all these names suck, we by no means have to actually >> USE any of these, but hopefully we'll have eliminated a lot of them. > > Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. Here are the results. People > who voted: Luke, Nathan, Evan, Rob, Ethan, Richard, Me. If you voted and > you're not on this list let me know and I'll figure out what I did wrong. > > How I ranked them: I gave each name a certain number of points if someone > voted for it. If someone ranked a name #1 then I gave it 10 points. #2 got 9 > points, #3 got 8 points, etc. I don't think we should go with the top choice > (mostly because I don't really like Cohort :-) ), but at least we can drop a > bunch of them. If you haven't voted, it's not too late. Just email me with > your top ten names from the list below. > > -Mark > > 52 - Cohort > 37 - Motto > 35 - Aria > 26 - Adagio > 21 - Crossthread > 21 - Kestrel > 20 - Pidgin > 17 - Concorde > 17 - Jumble > 15 - Hyperion > 15 - Vorpal > 11 - Mimsy > 10 - Flamenco > 7 - Tumtum > 5 - Andante > 4 - Cordelia > 4 - Dolcetto > 1 - Arietta > - Angler > - Drakee > - Panela > - Pigeonhole or Pidginhole > - Sostenuto > - Zaphod Since I apparently forgot about this.. 1 Pidgin 2 Adagio 3 Spiel 4 Cohort 5 Motto 6 Kestrel 7 Vorpal 8 Jumble 9 Aria 10 Zaphod (z names are cool ;)) -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-07-31 20:11:31
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On 7/31/06, Luke Schierer <lsc...@us...> wrote: > I have to agree with this sentiment. I'm not sure where I ranked it > originally, but if I were voting today, I'd probly rank this first > and spiel second. I think Ethan's argument just won me on pidgin. IM slang is pretty pidgin-like. I think I'll rank: pidgin cohort tincan seance (has a communication theme, albeit to the dead) spiel |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2006-07-31 19:37:12
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 03:30:24PM -0400, Ethan Blanton wrote: > Evan Schoenberg spake unto us the following wisdom: > > >Names on that list I don't hate: Cohort, Pidgin, Concorde. > > While I like the idea behind pidgin in terms of its meaning, I worry > > that it might carry negative connotations to some people as an > > uneducated / oversimplified linguistic set. > > Dude, we're talking about an instant messenger. These people *are* > uneducated, and they friggin' BUTCHER the language. > > Pidgin has my #1 vote for all the marvelous nuances to its meaning as > applied to an IM program. > > Ethan I have to agree with this sentiment. I'm not sure where I ranked it originally, but if I were voting today, I'd probly rank this first and spiel second. luke > > -- > The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy > for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor > determined to commit crimes. > -- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-cabal mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-cabal |
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From: Evan S. <ev...@dr...> - 2006-07-31 19:34:14
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Ethan Blanton wrote: > Dude, we're talking about an instant messenger. These people *are* > uneducated, and they friggin' BUTCHER the language. > *laughs* Fair and true. I don't guess there's any hope for the messaging masses, eh? |
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From: Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...> - 2006-07-31 19:30:51
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Evan Schoenberg spake unto us the following wisdom: > >Names on that list I don't hate: Cohort, Pidgin, Concorde. > While I like the idea behind pidgin in terms of its meaning, I worry =20 > that it might carry negative connotations to some people as an =20 > uneducated / oversimplified linguistic set. Dude, we're talking about an instant messenger. These people *are* uneducated, and they friggin' BUTCHER the language. Pidgin has my #1 vote for all the marvelous nuances to its meaning as applied to an IM program. Ethan --=20 The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishments", 1764 |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-07-31 19:19:40
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On 7/31/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote: > > Will we be getting new emoticons, as well? If so, are we going to > > have a consistent-looking theme across all protocols, or will they > > be designed to look like the native protocol icons? For example, > > will ":)" be represented by the same icon for all protocols? We *can* get new emoticons. I was planning on it. > > As part of our general push to abstract protocol differences, I think > > it'd be a good idea to have one theme. It would also help us rise above > > trademark/copyright infringement claims. Of course the AIM smileys are already GPLed. > I like the purpleness. The shape almost seems a little creepy to me... > somewhat alien. Colored dots for status don't seem like an improvement on > what we have now. I REALLY like gray for inactive, and I'm ok with some sort > of icon for away. The mobile icon doesn't seem very clear to me. I already brought up the color-blindness problem. > FYI there are emoticons at http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery > that we could use. Although I'm not sure there are enough icons to cover even > one of our protocols completely. Steven Garrity, who came up with Tango, is the guy helping me find people and work with him. I've pointed all the graphic artists I've talked to at Tango. -s. |
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From: Evan S. <ev...@dr...> - 2006-07-31 17:49:10
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Luke Schierer wrote: > Spiel is good. shpil is not so good. Partly because I get confused > just looking at it. Oh, sorry if I was unclear. It should definitely be written Spiel. It should just be pronounced shpil (long i, so /schpeel/) :) -Evan |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2006-07-31 17:46:28
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 01:40:05PM -0400, Evan Schoenberg wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Sean Egan wrote: > > >Include Spiel and Tincan on the list as well. Over the weekend I came > >up with Seance. > I'd include Spiel on my top 10 list... but insist upon pronouncing it > shpil, as the Yiddish. Spiel is good. shpil is not so good. Partly because I get confused just looking at it. luke > > >Names on that list I don't hate: Cohort, Pidgin, Concorde. > While I like the idea behind pidgin in terms of its meaning, I worry > that it might carry negative connotations to some people as an > uneducated / oversimplified linguistic set. > > -Evan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-cabal mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-cabal |
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From: Evan S. <ev...@dr...> - 2006-07-31 17:40:12
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On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:13 PM, Sean Egan wrote: > Include Spiel and Tincan on the list as well. Over the weekend I came > up with Seance. I'd include Spiel on my top 10 list... but insist upon pronouncing it shpil, as the Yiddish. > Names on that list I don't hate: Cohort, Pidgin, Concorde. While I like the idea behind pidgin in terms of its meaning, I worry that it might carry negative connotations to some people as an uneducated / oversimplified linguistic set. -Evan |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-07-31 17:13:38
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Include Spiel and Tincan on the list as well. Over the weekend I came up with Seance. Names on that list I don't hate: Cohort, Pidgin, Concorde. Did someone buy a music lexicon before making that list? -s. On 7/31/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:11:15 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote > > On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:06:41 -0500, Mark Doliner wrote > > > On Mon, 15 May 2006 18:02:25 -0700, Sean Egan wrote > > > > The last decent name I remember being suggested was "Cohort." > > > > > > > > Does anyone else have any current favorites? > > > > > > Man, we really need to pick a name. How about we make a list of 30 > > > and then have each person rank their top 10? Please email me > > > directly with any additions to the below list, or any names that you > > > think are absolutely awful -Mark > > > > Alright! Everyone please rank your top 10 names from the choices > > below and email them directly to me. And if you happen to have any > > new names, send those too, but don't include them in your top 10. > > If we decide all these names suck, we by no means have to actually > > USE any of these, but hopefully we'll have eliminated a lot of them. > > Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. Here are the results. People > who voted: Luke, Nathan, Evan, Rob, Ethan, Richard, Me. If you voted and > you're not on this list let me know and I'll figure out what I did wrong. > > How I ranked them: I gave each name a certain number of points if someone > voted for it. If someone ranked a name #1 then I gave it 10 points. #2 got 9 > points, #3 got 8 points, etc. I don't think we should go with the top choice > (mostly because I don't really like Cohort :-) ), but at least we can drop a > bunch of them. If you haven't voted, it's not too late. Just email me with > your top ten names from the list below. > > -Mark > > 52 - Cohort > 37 - Motto > 35 - Aria > 26 - Adagio > 21 - Crossthread > 21 - Kestrel > 20 - Pidgin > 17 - Concorde > 17 - Jumble > 15 - Hyperion > 15 - Vorpal > 11 - Mimsy > 10 - Flamenco > 7 - Tumtum > 5 - Andante > 4 - Cordelia > 4 - Dolcetto > 1 - Arietta > - Angler > - Drakee > - Panela > - Pigeonhole or Pidginhole > - Sostenuto > - Zaphod > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-cabal mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-cabal > |
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