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Re: [Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Megan S. <ca...@gm...>]

I prefer the notepad.

M

On 9/13/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> On 9/13/06, Richard Laager <rl...@wi...> wrote:
> > I've always disagreed with this. I like the clock for away.
>
> A lot of this sort of iconography thing is going to come down to what
> protocol you use. AIM users will want a notepad. MSN users will want a
> clock. ICQ users will want something horrible.
>
> I'm cool with a clock.
>
> -s.
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Re: [Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 9/13/06, Richard Laager <rl...@wi...> wrote:
> I've always disagreed with this. I like the clock for away.

A lot of this sort of iconography thing is going to come down to what
protocol you use. AIM users will want a notepad. MSN users will want a
clock. ICQ users will want something horrible.

I'm cool with a clock.

-s.

Re: [Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Nathan W. <fac...@fa...>]

Luke Schierer wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:20:19AM -0700, Sean Egan wrote:
>> On 9/13/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
>>> Some more smileys and a new attempt at Available. Less blobby. Anyone
>>> know of a good way to represent "available"
>> Also, is the clock good for "away?" It seems to imply "idle" slightly
>> more for me, but I really like the clock.
>>
>> -s.
> 
> I look at the clock and think idle.  I really like the notepad for
> away, that speaks "away message" to me.
> 
> luke

I agree.

-Nathan

Re: [Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Richard L. <rl...@wi...>]

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 16:53 -0400, Luke Schierer wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:20:19AM -0700, Sean Egan wrote:
> > On 9/13/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> > > Some more smileys and a new attempt at Available. Less blobby. Anyone
> > > know of a good way to represent "available"
> >=20
> > Also, is the clock good for "away?" It seems to imply "idle" slightly
> > more for me, but I really like the clock.
> >=20
> > -s.
>=20
> I look at the clock and think idle.  I really like the notepad for
> away, that speaks "away message" to me.

I've always disagreed with this. I like the clock for away. I have the
notepad icon replaced in my local copy of Gaim. We have greyness in the
buddy list to indicate idle, which is sufficient for my needs. Also, I
think at least one official client (MSN, IIRC) uses the clock for away.

Richard

Re: [Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 11:20:19AM -0700, Sean Egan wrote:
> On 9/13/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> > Some more smileys and a new attempt at Available. Less blobby. Anyone
> > know of a good way to represent "available"
> 
> Also, is the clock good for "away?" It seems to imply "idle" slightly
> more for me, but I really like the clock.
> 
> -s.

I look at the clock and think idle.  I really like the notepad for
away, that speaks "away message" to me.

luke

Re: [Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 9/13/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> Some more smileys and a new attempt at Available. Less blobby. Anyone
> know of a good way to represent "available"

Also, is the clock good for "away?" It seems to imply "idle" slightly
more for me, but I really like the clock.

-s.

[Gaim-cabal] Icons

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

http://gaim.sf.net/sean/more-icons.png

Some more smileys and a new attempt at Available. Less blobby. Anyone
know of a good way to represent "available"

-s.

Re: [Gaim-cabal] smileys

[<rf...@so...>]

I dig'em.

> Dear Cabal,
>
> I made an offer to Hylke and he's glad to help us out. He's started
> some smiley and emblem icons and gave me a taste:
> http://gaim.sf.net/sean/preview.png
>
> -s.
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Re: [Gaim-cabal] smileys

[Nathan W. <fac...@fa...>]

Sean Egan wrote:
> On 9/11/06, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote:
>> I'm not opposed to this idea (I'll wait until I see it for real for
>> that), but I am worried that using emblems like that will cause more
>> truncation (of both the name and the away message) than we really want.
>
> Look at your buddy list. Count how many people have even a single
> non-status emblem. Consider that our blist layout currently allows us
> to "overlap" columns. That is, having emblems to the right won't
> truncate people who don't have emblems.
>
> -s.
I misread, I thought all emblems (including away/dnd/etc) were going to 
the right.  After carefully re-reading, now my response just sounds dumb.

-Nathan

Re: [Gaim-cabal] smileys

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 9/11/06, Nathan Walp <fac...@fa...> wrote:
> I'm not opposed to this idea (I'll wait until I see it for real for
> that), but I am worried that using emblems like that will cause more
> truncation (of both the name and the away message) than we really want.

Look at your buddy list. Count how many people have even a single
non-status emblem. Consider that our blist layout currently allows us
to "overlap" columns. That is, having emblems to the right won't
truncate people who don't have emblems.

-s.

Re: [Gaim-cabal] smileys

[Nathan W. <fac...@fa...>]

Sean Egan wrote:
> On 9/11/06, Etan Reisner <de...@ed...> wrote:
>   
>> Also, unless we are intending to make the mobile emblem an icon on it's
>> own I'm not sure the outwardly expanding radio lines are going to work
>> so well (especially not goint to the left).
>>     
>
> The proposed idea, as seen in his previous mockup, is to change the
> status icon from "protocol icon with status icon and up to three other
> emblems superimposed on it" to "status icon to the left, up to three
> emblems to the right, immediately left of the buddy icon.
>
> I'm very open to this suggestion. When we have enough icons to
> actually implement this, I'll code it up and see what you guys think
> of it.
>   

I'm not opposed to this idea (I'll wait until I see it for real for 
that), but I am worried that using emblems like that will cause more 
truncation (of both the name and the away message) than we really want.

But I do like the icons :-)

Re: [Gaim-cabal] smileys

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 9/11/06, Etan Reisner <de...@ed...> wrote:
> Also, unless we are intending to make the mobile emblem an icon on it's
> own I'm not sure the outwardly expanding radio lines are going to work
> so well (especially not goint to the left).

The proposed idea, as seen in his previous mockup, is to change the
status icon from "protocol icon with status icon and up to three other
emblems superimposed on it" to "status icon to the left, up to three
emblems to the right, immediately left of the buddy icon.

I'm very open to this suggestion. When we have enough icons to
actually implement this, I'll code it up and see what you guys think
of it.

-s.

[Gaim-cabal] smileys

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

Dear Cabal,

I made an offer to Hylke and he's glad to help us out. He's started
some smiley and emblem icons and gave me a taste:
http://gaim.sf.net/sean/preview.png

-s.

Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art

[Evan S. <ev...@dr...>]

On Sep 5, 2006, at 5:58 PM, Sean Egan wrote:

> Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
> like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
> don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
> with.

Agreed on the blob... and the away clock looks nice as a single icon  
(in the status selector) but is maybe a bit much repeated in a column  
all the way down a list of away contacts.  The chat and mobile icons  
are really attractive.

-Evan

Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art

[Megan S. <ca...@gm...>]

I agree.
Though I don't like the blob thing.

Cae/Megan

(Sorry Luke, you're getting this twice, cause I wasn't paying
attention the first time)

On 9/6/06, Luke Schierer <lsc...@us...> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 01:17:52PM -0700, Sean Egan wrote:
> > On 9/5/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> > > Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
> > > like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
> > > don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
> > > with.
> >
> > What do y'all think? Should we offer to hire this person?
> >
> > -s.
>
> This guy is better than the other two.  His effort is more nearly
> what we are looking for.
>
> luke
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Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 01:17:52PM -0700, Sean Egan wrote:
> On 9/5/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> > Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
> > like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
> > don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
> > with.
> 
> What do y'all think? Should we offer to hire this person?
> 
> -s.

This guy is better than the other two.  His effort is more nearly
what we are looking for.

luke

Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art

[Robert F. <rf...@so...>]

Same, and actually, i dont mind the blob so much.  I do like the work.

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To: "Sean Egan" <sea...@gm...>
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Subject: Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art


> On 9/6/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
>> On 9/5/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
>> > Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
>> > like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
>> > don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
>> > with.
>>
>> What do y'all think? Should we offer to hire this person?
>
> I definitely like these more than the other two.
>
> How much does such an endeavor cost?
>
> -D
>
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Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art

[Daniel A. <dan...@gm...>]

On 9/6/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> On 9/5/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> > Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
> > like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
> > don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
> > with.
>
> What do y'all think? Should we offer to hire this person?

I definitely like these more than the other two.

How much does such an endeavor cost?

-D

Re: [Gaim-cabal] More art

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

On 9/5/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote:
> Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
> like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
> don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
> with.

What do y'all think? Should we offer to hire this person?

-s.

[Gaim-cabal] More art

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

Another icon designer: Hylke. He's one of the Tango guys. I really
like his clock. I think it's the kind of style we're looking for. I
don't care for the Available "blob" icon, but he's real easy to work
with.

http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/hylke.png

-s.

Re: [Gaim-cabal] beta4?

[Sean E. <sea...@gm...>]

no

Re: [Gaim-cabal] beta4?

[Warren T. <wt...@re...>]

Sean Egan wrote:
> On 8/22/06, Warren Togami <wt...@re...> wrote:
>>>> I think I can finish my changes to make things cancelable by Sunday.
>>>> Hopefully sooner.  I guess we'll release beta4 a few days after that, assuming
>>>> everything seems stable.  I have no objections to a pre-beta4 snapshot in
>>>> rawhide.  That's actually probably a pretty good idea.
> 
> I also have a few fixes and things I want in beta4. Sunday sounds like
> a good goal to aim for, but again, we'd want to give AOL a heads-up
> about the release.

Any update on this?

Thanks,
Warren

Re: [Gaim-cabal] Artists

[Mark D. <ma...@ki...>]

I get the feeling most of us like how our UI behaves, we just want some new
artwork/logo/icons.  That's pretty much how I feel, anyway.  I mean, I am of
course open to suggestions on how to improve stuff, but our UI is the way it
is because of a few years of evolution, and it may not be easy to improve on
that (aside from more unified icons).
-Mark

Re: [Gaim-cabal] Artists

[Ethan B. <ebl...@cs...>]

Sorry this is coming so late, I was at Gaim Developers' Conference
2006 and didn't have access to email.  Sean didn't tell me we were
supposed to discuss this at the conference.

Sean Egan spake unto us the following wisdom:
> I've been talking with primarily two artists for the new artwork. Most
> recently, I've been talking with Stephen Horlander who did the Firefox
> default theme. He made this mockup:
> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/status_icon_ideas.jpg
>=20
> He's been a bit flakey to work with, so I'm considering going back to
> Andreas Nilsson, who does most of the Tango icons. He made this
> mock-up:
> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim-status-test.png

Honestly, I don't like either of these _at all_.  The purple wavy dude
is OK, but everything else about both of these does nothing for me.
None of the little colored dots tell me anything in the first logo
(What is a red dot?  Is red offline?  Blocked? Away?  I assume green
is available?), and the phone icon isn't perceptible superior to the
one we have now.  In the second set of icons, what are triangle,
square, and circle?  Are circles good?

Abstraction in interfaces can be a beautiful thing, but we're looking
pretty far afield for these particular abstractions.

I suggest we ask some artists to come up with some designs with an
emphasis on conveying meaning, as well as on being pretty to look at.

Ethan

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Re: [Gaim-cabal] Artists

[Luke S. <lsc...@us...>]

On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 11:38:08PM -0500, Richard Laager wrote:
> I've expressed at least some of this before, but... I see this effort as
> having a couple benefits, aside from being free of copyright/trademark
> problems.
> 
> First, I'd love to see a smiley theme where a :) looks the same across
> all protocols, a ;) is the same, an icon of "money" is the same, etc. We
> should have one icon for each idea. I'm a big believer in the value of
> abstracting protocol differences.
> 
> Second, we can come up with something that is uniquely "Pidgin", as
> opposed to near-direct (or direct) rip-offs of the official clients.
> This should help our general image... Pidgin will look nice & polished.
> 
> Richard
> 

I find this argument persuasive, even for the smileys, where I would
normally suggest we stay closer to each protocol.  This could help
people understand that pidgin is not AIM, or MSN, and that their
defaults and behaviors do not create a requirement that we do the
same.  It could also help pidgin _feel_ more like a multi-protocol
multi-connection client, much the same way that our state changes
have helped in that respect.

luke