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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-24 18:37:03
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On 9/23/06, Etan Reisner <de...@ed...> wrote: > I tend to lean towards the note-type icon for away (I started on ICQ, > but mainly used AIM). I think that if we wanted to keep the clock icon > (which I think is a good idea as it is a good icon) we could consider > adding it as an idle icon, since dimming is probably harder for visually > impaired people and having icons for all states is probably a good > thing. Idle isn't really a state, though. It's a flag. On most protocols that support idle, you're idle AND away or idle AND available. We could add it as an emblem. > I do have a question about the clock icon though, and that is why the > smallest icon size has the clock hands in different places than the > larger sizes? I'm not sure I like that. I guess the original time doesn't' scale down that well. -s. |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-09-24 06:50:36
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Mark Doliner wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:17:39 -0500, Gary Kramlich wrote >> Sean Egan wrote: >>> I think that's about it. Luke has a box sitting in a data center for >>> us, and we're gonna try to get up as soon as possible, so we can copy >>> our svn repositiory over and we can use it for top seceret cabalish >>> Pidgin stuff. >> I thought we were looking at distributed SCMs... > > I guess we should decide on this one way or the other? Are there any > distributed SCMs that people like using? > > I wasn't a big fan of the web-based repository browser for Bazaar when I > looked at it. I like ViewVC much more, but that might only be because I'm > familiar with it > > I'm in favor of Subversion over everything else because it's popular and > people are familiar with it. I feel like the Gaim project is short on > developers as it is, and using an SCM that few people have experience with > will raise the barrier of entry to anyone considering contributing. And > Subversion has met all my needs. > > -Mark Ok, aparently you missed all of the issues with subversion that I ran into when trying to finish up the core/ui split patch. The main problem being that svn up does NOT track moves. Which is why the tree restructure needed to be scripted so that it would work properly. Besides that, as we've discussed on nathan's wiki (see the version control section of http://faceprint.net/gaimwiki/index.cgi?Post2Point0). On top of that, Luke has mentioned numerous times how we always seem to have many side projects going on inside of gaim. For example, the vv stuff, the msn v13 stuff, gobjectification, etc... Using a SCM that can track those sorts of branching and merging will be of much more benefit to us. Luke and myself were playing with GIT for awhile. Luke has spent a lot more time with it than I have, I know Ethan is partial to Monotone, and well there are more comments in the wiki. -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-09-24 06:43:16
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:17:39 -0500, Gary Kramlich wrote > Sean Egan wrote: > > I think that's about it. Luke has a box sitting in a data center for > > us, and we're gonna try to get up as soon as possible, so we can copy > > our svn repositiory over and we can use it for top seceret cabalish > > Pidgin stuff. > > I thought we were looking at distributed SCMs... I guess we should decide on this one way or the other? Are there any distributed SCMs that people like using? I wasn't a big fan of the web-based repository browser for Bazaar when I looked at it. I like ViewVC much more, but that might only be because I'm familiar with it I'm in favor of Subversion over everything else because it's popular and people are familiar with it. I feel like the Gaim project is short on developers as it is, and using an SCM that few people have experience with will raise the barrier of entry to anyone considering contributing. And Subversion has met all my needs. -Mark |
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From: Etan R. <de...@ed...> - 2006-09-24 06:28:50
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006, Sean Egan wrote: > On 9/22/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote: <snip> >> * I don't like the clock for awayness. It's counterintuitive >> to me. A clock should mean idle. I think it's much more >> commonplace to use some sort of yellow or gray note type thing >> to signify awayness. > > I think you (and everyone else who's shared this opinion) are just > saying this because you're primarily AIM users. Yahoo uses a clock to > represent idle. MSN uses it to represent away. Google Talk uses it to > represent "away," but it's client uses away as idle. It seems like AIM > uses the post-it note because going away is the only way to set a > status message on AIM; it's more of a "I have a status message," than > away, originally. > > I'm not sure which way we'll go on this; the only reason I have any > sort of opinion is mainly that I just really like his clock icon and > would like to see it used. He's an MSN user, mainly, so it makes sense > that his icons will be inspired by MSN. I tend to lean towards the note-type icon for away (I started on ICQ, but mainly used AIM). I think that if we wanted to keep the clock icon (which I think is a good idea as it is a good icon) we could consider adding it as an idle icon, since dimming is probably harder for visually impaired people and having icons for all states is probably a good thing. I do have a question about the clock icon though, and that is why the smallest icon size has the clock hands in different places than the larger sizes? I'm not sure I like that. <snip> >> * In http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim2.png you don't show >> the protocol next to the screen name anymore. I'm not sure >> I like that. Well, mostly I don't understand the speech >> bubble icon next to jdev. Is that supposed to mean away? >> It seems like it means available for chat or something. >> And actually it seems like that icon would be better suited >> for use as a button rather than to display someone's state. > > jdev is jd...@co..., a chat room. I'm convinced that we > should strongly consider removing protocol icons from the buddy list > and leave them just in the tooltip. Because chats don't have status, > they get a special "this is a chat room" icon. > > -s. I'm not sure I like removing the protocol icon from the buddy list, but I'll hold off on that until we get farther in the new icon stuff. I don't think that double speech bubble icon is very 'chat room' though, a single bubble strikes me better (despite our current use of one as the New IM icon), as would anything involving multiple 'people' icons. -Etan |
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From: Sadrul H C. <im...@gm...> - 2006-09-24 00:38:29
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On 9/23/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote: > > jdev is jd...@co..., a chat room. I'm convinced that we > should strongly consider removing protocol icons from the buddy list > and leave them just in the tooltip. Because chats don't have status, > they get a special "this is a chat room" icon. I am not in favour of completely removing the protocol icons from the buddy list. I think that many/most people do want to see the protocol icons. I have been requested to use different colors for buddies in different protocols in gntgaim. I don't think I am going to do that anytime soon, but I do plan on accepting a patch if one comes along that allows this. Also, for chats, I have 'gaim' for SILC, and 'gaim' for jabber, and it would look 'odd' to me if both looked exactly the same. Having the protocol icons show up in the tooltip won't be of much help to me because I am not used to using the mouse to open a chat/conversation window. ... my half cent. :-) -- Adil |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2006-09-24 00:26:29
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On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 04:17:39PM -0500, Gary Kramlich wrote: > Sean Egan wrote: > > <snip> > > > I think that's about it. Luke has a box sitting in a data center for > > us, and we're gonna try to get up as soon as possible, so we can copy > > our svn repositiory over and we can use it for top seceret cabalish > > Pidgin stuff. > > > > -s. > > I thought we were looking at distributed SCMs... For the pidgin source code we are. There's nothing that says our website _need_ be exactly the same. Wordpress would offer some interesting possiblities for a website. It would fairly closely reflect how our current one is set up out of the box. luke |
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From: Luke S. <lsc...@us...> - 2006-09-24 00:24:55
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 04:56:28PM -0700, Sean Egan wrote: > On 9/22/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote: > > I've hacked up a tree to supoprt Hylke's icons. Here's an actual > > screenshot of it in action: > > And the Small List version: http://gaim.sf.net/sean/gaim2small.png > > -s. I really dislike the clock for away still. Perhaps it is because I came to IM from AIM, but I've been a gaim user, not an AIM user, for more than 5 years now. And _gaim_, regardless of where it got the idea, has never used a clock for IM, but has always used something that either explicetly is (the yellow icon) or at least vaguely resembles a notepad. luke |
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From: Gary K. <gr...@re...> - 2006-09-23 21:17:44
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Sean Egan wrote: <snip> > I think that's about it. Luke has a box sitting in a data center for > us, and we're gonna try to get up as soon as possible, so we can copy > our svn repositiory over and we can use it for top seceret cabalish > Pidgin stuff. > > -s. I thought we were looking at distributed SCMs... -- Gary Kramlich <gr...@re...> |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-23 20:37:06
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On 9/23/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote: > Hey! Now that 2.0.0 is starting to shape up it seems like we should figure > out what to do about hosting. Sean, I imagine you have some ideas of what > you'd like to do? Some sort of dedicated box would be good. Luke and I have been working on all this. We had a thread here about tracking system, and Trac does seem to have won our opinion. We'll also be running: Debian Apache (I suggested AOLServer for irony) PHP MySQL Subversion postfix mailman ejabberd Some CMS - It's been recommended to me to use Wordpress as a CMS, but the ultimate decision will be heavily influenced by whoever winds up doing the website Planet - Maybe I'll even start blogging, but I've been asked to definitely use Planet. I think that's about it. Luke has a box sitting in a data center for us, and we're gonna try to get up as soon as possible, so we can copy our svn repositiory over and we can use it for top seceret cabalish Pidgin stuff. -s. |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-23 20:30:09
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On 9/22/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote: > * I very much prefer the MS butterfly for MSN (although I'm not > a big fan of the one in > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png--it's > too difficult to tell what it is). That's not an MSN butterfly, it's a Sametime logo: http://www-142.ibm.com/software/sw-lotus/products/product3.nsf/wdocs/st75home The MSN dude is the logo for MSN Messenger, and the smiley face is the logo for Yahoo messenger. If we use the butterfly and the Y!, we should just as well use the AOL triangle thing. I don't really care much about this, though. I can ask him to make a butterfly logo and we can decide later which we want to use. > * It's probably just not his style... but I think I would prefer > icons that have a slightly more 3d and shiney look about them I don't like the whole Apple/KDE "Everything is always really shiney all they time" look. He's following the Tango style which says only things that are actually shiney should look shiney. I'm definitely happy with his style. > * I don't like the clock for awayness. It's counterintuitive > to me. A clock should mean idle. I think it's much more > commonplace to use some sort of yellow or gray note type thing > to signify awayness. I think you (and everyone else who's shared this opinion) are just saying this because you're primarily AIM users. Yahoo uses a clock to represent idle. MSN uses it to represent away. Google Talk uses it to represent "away," but it's client uses away as idle. It seems like AIM uses the post-it note because going away is the only way to set a status message on AIM; it's more of a "I have a status message," than away, originally. I'm not sure which way we'll go on this; the only reason I have any sort of opinion is mainly that I just really like his clock icon and would like to see it used. He's an MSN user, mainly, so it makes sense that his icons will be inspired by MSN. > * The blue blobby guy... I don't quite understand it. Is that > intended to replace the Gaim guy? It seems like it should be > more purple. And perhaps resemble a human a bit more. > Especially the smallest version, which tends to look like two > meaningless blobs to me. The blobby guy is purely temporary until we figure out a good Available icon. > * In http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim2.png you don't show > the protocol next to the screen name anymore. I'm not sure > I like that. Well, mostly I don't understand the speech > bubble icon next to jdev. Is that supposed to mean away? > It seems like it means available for chat or something. > And actually it seems like that icon would be better suited > for use as a button rather than to display someone's state. jdev is jd...@co..., a chat room. I'm convinced that we should strongly consider removing protocol icons from the buddy list and leave them just in the tooltip. Because chats don't have status, they get a special "this is a chat room" icon. -s. |
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From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-09-23 08:22:13
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Hey! Now that 2.0.0 is starting to shape up it seems like we should figure out what to do about hosting. Sean, I imagine you have some ideas of what you'd like to do? Some sort of dedicated box would be good. We'll need root access (unless someone else is willing to manage email, web, and svn for us). I'd prefer Linux. My distribution preference is Ubuntu 6.06, Fedora Core 5, Debian Stable or Testing (in that order). For a web server I prefer Apache 2. I have no preference for email servers. For revision control I'd prefer Subversion. The only other version control system in the running in my mind is Bazaar. I prefer Subversion because I feel like it's more stable and weathered. I also don't see any major advantages to using Bazaar. But to be fair I have commit access to Gaim. In general I don't like lots of branches because they lead to extra overhead merging things, therefore I feel like Bazaar would add MORE work rather than LESS. For bug tracking I prefer trac. I've been playing around with it and I think it'll suit our needs. I like the integrated wiki. I like the project roadmap. I like that we can associate bugs and feature requests with a particular milestone in the project roadmap. I've set up a trac install on my home computer. You should be able to try it out by accessing http://mark.markdoliner.com:8080/cgi-bin/trac.cgi IM me if you have problems. You can log in as an admin using username MarkDoliner and password "admin" It is purely a test installation, so feel free to delete shit and edit crap, file fake bugs, close tickets, whatever. I think I prefer ViewVC to trac's repository browser, but maybe only because I'm used to ViewVC. If we go with trac I propose that we disable trac's repository browser and forward people to ViewVC. This install is using SQLite, but if we go with trac we should probably use postgresql. Oh, and we should customize the appearance a good bit. If we don't end up using trac, I'd like to have some sort of wiki regardless. Mediawiki seems as good a candidate as any. -Mark |
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From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-09-23 06:39:53
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:50:55 -0700, Sean Egan wrote > http://gaim.sf.net/sean/smileys.png * I like getting lots of smiley emails. * I really really like the "Y" icon for Yahoo! instead of the meaningless yellow face that we have now. * I very much prefer the MS butterfly for MSN (although I'm not a big fan of the one in http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png--it's too difficult to tell what it is). * It's probably just not his style... but I think I would prefer icons that have a slightly more 3d and shiney look about them * I don't like the clock for awayness. It's counterintuitive to me. A clock should mean idle. I think it's much more commonplace to use some sort of yellow or gray note type thing to signify awayness. * The blue blobby guy... I don't quite understand it. Is that intended to replace the Gaim guy? It seems like it should be more purple. And perhaps resemble a human a bit more. Especially the smallest version, which tends to look like two meaningless blobs to me. * In http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/gaim2.png you don't show the protocol next to the screen name anymore. I'm not sure I like that. Well, mostly I don't understand the speech bubble icon next to jdev. Is that supposed to mean away? It seems like it means available for chat or something. And actually it seems like that icon would be better suited for use as a button rather than to display someone's state. |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-22 23:56:39
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On 9/22/06, Sean Egan <sea...@gm...> wrote: > I've hacked up a tree to supoprt Hylke's icons. Here's an actual > screenshot of it in action: And the Small List version: http://gaim.sf.net/sean/gaim2small.png -s. |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-22 23:33:53
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I've hacked up a tree to supoprt Hylke's icons. Here's an actual screenshot of it in action: http://gaim.sf.net/sean/gaim2.png -s. |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-22 18:57:30
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Is anyone annoyed by me spamming them with these things? I can stop. http://gaim.sf.net/sean/status-sizes.png -s. |
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From: Robert F. <rf...@so...> - 2006-09-21 17:53:58
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haha, I really like the car a lot for some reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Egan" <sea...@gm...> To: "gaim-cabal" <gai...@li...> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [Gaim-cabal] more smileys > http://gaim.sf.net/sean/smileys.png > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Gaim-cabal mailing list > Gai...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gaim-cabal > |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-21 17:51:02
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http://gaim.sf.net/sean/smileys.png |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-17 17:24:08
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On 9/16/06, Mark Doliner <ma...@ki...> wrote: > I like them. What format is he doing them in? SVG would be nice. They're done in SVG, and then scaled down to the desired size and tweaked there to be pixel-perfect: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines |
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From: Mark D. <ma...@ki...> - 2006-09-17 03:09:32
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:42:10 -0700, Sean Egan wrote > I mailed Hylke a contract this afternoon. > > http://gaim.sf.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png > > -s. I like them. What format is he doing them in? SVG would be nice. -Mark |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-16 21:34:56
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On 9/16/06, Evan Schoenberg <ev...@dr...> wrote: > I also don't recognize a couple of them, like the one that's 3 different > colored people. > Heh, no, I just made your point for you I think: The blue blob dude is still > representing MSN, so that's not an MSN butterfly ;) It's Sametime: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/sametime/ I complained that it was totally unrecognizable, so he re-did it more like our current icon between the ICQ and Novell ones. -s. |
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From: Evan S. <ev...@dr...> - 2006-09-16 19:32:10
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On Sep 16, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Tim Ringenbach wrote: > > I also don't recognize a couple of them, like the one that's 3 > different > colored people. Heh, no, I just made your point for you I think: The blue blob dude is still representing MSN, so that's not an MSN butterfly ;) |
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From: Evan S. <ev...@dr...> - 2006-09-16 19:31:33
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On Sep 16, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Tim Ringenbach wrote: > I also don't recognize a couple of them, like the one that's 3 > different > colored people. I think that's a really stylized MSN butterfly. |
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From: Tim R. <om...@ho...> - 2006-09-16 17:19:25
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Sean Egan wrote: > I mailed Hylke a contract this afternoon. > > http://gaim.sf.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png > Hmm, I'm not sure I like the Yahoo one. I just prefer to think of my friends as giant smiley faces, rather than excited Y's. Not too big of a deal I guess, and I'm not sure if a giant smiley face very uniquely identifies yahoo. But usually we only resort to text when we have to. I also don't recognize a couple of them, like the one that's 3 different colored people. --Tim |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-14 23:42:12
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I mailed Hylke a contract this afternoon. http://gaim.sf.net/sean/some-more-protocols.png -s. |
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From: Sean E. <sea...@gm...> - 2006-09-13 23:25:31
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It just keeps coming: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/protocol-progress.png |
