phpwiki-talk

[Phpwiki-talk] the words 'diff' and "Vergleichen"

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

I've never been happy with the word 'diff' because it's a Unix tool, and
about 0.000001% of the world's population knows that. For the common user
the word has no meaning.

But I've yet to think of a suitable replacement. The word is nice and
small. 'CompareToPreviousVersion' is too clunky. Still, I suppose meaning
over brevity should be the rule. What's the literal translation of
Vergleichen?

~swain

On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Carsten Klapp wrote:

>
> Thanks Reini,
>
> I appreciate this great feedback because my German grammar and vocabulary
> is a little weak, especially when it comes to computers. (Hah, I was
> surprised the first time I read about "Speicher" in a German computer
> magazine.)
>
> I have no problems with your alterations. I have some time now to make th=
e
> changes, or you could do them yourself.
>
> The Anmelden/Ausmelden I had borrowed from yahoo.de. I've also seen the
> word 'Link' und 'Links' elsewhere on the Internet used untranslated, and
> also if there already is a WikiPrecedent (so to speak) for leaving
> BackLinks untranslated then I agree, let's stick with that.
>
> How do you feel about using Vergleichen for diff? This one I really wasn'=
t
> sure whether to translate, and then I thought of "=C4pfel mit Birnen
> vergleichen". The abbreviated form (vgl.) also seems a little strange to
> me, but it is the correct abbreviated form according to
> <http://dict.leo.org>.
>
>
> (Also of interest, apparently operating systems like Mac and Windows each
> use different German words for things like buttons, checkboxes etc. but I
> don't know any specific examples.)
>
> Carsten
>
> On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 04:11  am, Reini Urban wrote:
>
> > Carsten Klapp schrieb:
> >> ! #: ../templates/browse.html:96
> >>   msgid "SignOut"
> >>   msgstr "Ausmelden"
> >> ! #: ../templates/browse.html:98 ../templates/editpage.html:72
> >>   msgid "SignIn"
> >>   msgstr "Anmelden"
> >> ! #: ../lib/plugin/BackLinks.php:9 ../templates/editpage.html:24
> >>   msgid "BackLinks"
> >>   msgstr "Querverbindungen"
> >
> > I don't like these translations.
> > First the words, second the words should be apparent phpwiki pages.
> > (MagicPages in my lingo: Pages associated with certain actions)
> >
> > my suggestions:
> >
> > SignOut:   AbMelden
> > SignIn:    AnMelden
> >
> > BackLinks: BackLinks
> > "All pages which have links to this page".
> > This should be left untranslated imho.
> > See the german DseWiki
> > http://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?BackLinkFunktion
> > which also left it untranslated.
> >
> > "QuerVerbindungen" denotes a parallel link, something like
> > RelatedPages or LikePages or NearestPages.
> > "R=FCckVerbindungen" is horrible.
> > --
> > Reini Urban
> > http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/
> >
>
>
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[Phpwiki-talk] more spirolattic trouble: RecentChanges not updating

[Tara S. <te...@cl...>]

Me again.

Seems like the server change left another unexpected present:=20
http://spirolattic.net/RecentChanges isn't updating anymore.

http://spirolattic.net/RecentEdits seems to be working fine, though.

Suggestions, anyone?

:) Thanks!

Steph
--=20
Je r=E9ponds au mieux de mes connaissances
Climb to the Stars! - http://climbtothestars.org/
SpiroLattic - http://spirolattic.net/
Pompeurs Associ=E9s - http://pompage.net/

[Phpwiki-talk] re: phpwiki/locale/po de.po

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Carsten Klapp schrieb:
> How do you feel about using Vergleichen for diff? This one I really wasn't
> sure whether to translate, and then I thought of "Äpfel mit Birnen
> vergleichen". The abbreviated form (vgl.) also seems a little strange to
> me, but it is the correct abbreviated form according to
> <http://dict.leo.org>.

hmm, same as with BackLinks.
"Diff" is an established term, but "Versionen" or "Revisionen" could go also.
I also saw "Archiv" once.

I would vote for "Diff".
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

[Phpwiki-talk] Re: [phpwiki-checkins] CVS: phpwiki/locale/po de.po,1.28,1.29

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Thanks Reini,

I appreciate this great feedback because my German grammar and =
vocabulary=20
is a little weak, especially when it comes to computers. (Hah, I was=20
surprised the first time I read about "Speicher" in a German computer=20
magazine.)

I have no problems with your alterations. I have some time now to make =
the=20
changes, or you could do them yourself.

The Anmelden/Ausmelden I had borrowed from yahoo.de. I've also seen the=20=

word 'Link' und 'Links' elsewhere on the Internet used untranslated, and=20=

also if there already is a WikiPrecedent (so to speak) for leaving=20
BackLinks untranslated then I agree, let's stick with that.

How do you feel about using Vergleichen for diff? This one I really =
wasn't=20
sure whether to translate, and then I thought of "=C4pfel mit Birnen=20
vergleichen". The abbreviated form (vgl.) also seems a little strange to=20=

me, but it is the correct abbreviated form according to=20
<http://dict.leo.org>.


(Also of interest, apparently operating systems like Mac and Windows =
each=20
use different German words for things like buttons, checkboxes etc. but =
I=20
don't know any specific examples.)

Carsten

On Thursday, December 27, 2001, at 04:11  am, Reini Urban wrote:

> Carsten Klapp schrieb:
>> ! #: ../templates/browse.html:96
>>   msgid "SignOut"
>>   msgstr "Ausmelden"
>> ! #: ../templates/browse.html:98 ../templates/editpage.html:72
>>   msgid "SignIn"
>>   msgstr "Anmelden"
>> ! #: ../lib/plugin/BackLinks.php:9 ../templates/editpage.html:24
>>   msgid "BackLinks"
>>   msgstr "Querverbindungen"
>
> I don't like these translations.
> First the words, second the words should be apparent phpwiki pages.
> (MagicPages in my lingo: Pages associated with certain actions)
>
> my suggestions:
>
> SignOut:   AbMelden
> SignIn:    AnMelden
>
> BackLinks: BackLinks
> "All pages which have links to this page".
> This should be left untranslated imho.
> See the german DseWiki=20
> http://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?BackLinkFunktion
> which also left it untranslated.
>
> "QuerVerbindungen" denotes a parallel link, something like
> RelatedPages or LikePages or NearestPages.
> "R=FCckVerbindungen" is horrible.
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/
>

[Phpwiki-talk] Re: [phpwiki-checkins] CVS: phpwiki/locale/po de.po,1.28,1.29

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Carsten Klapp schrieb:
> ! #: ../templates/browse.html:96
>   msgid "SignOut"
>   msgstr "Ausmelden"
> ! #: ../templates/browse.html:98 ../templates/editpage.html:72
>   msgid "SignIn"
>   msgstr "Anmelden"
> ! #: ../lib/plugin/BackLinks.php:9 ../templates/editpage.html:24
>   msgid "BackLinks"
>   msgstr "Querverbindungen"

I don't like these translations.
First the words, second the words should be apparent phpwiki pages. 
(MagicPages in my lingo: Pages associated with certain actions)

my suggestions:

SignOut:   AbMelden
SignIn:    AnMelden

BackLinks: BackLinks
"All pages which have links to this page". 
This should be left untranslated imho. 
See the german DseWiki http://www.wikiservice.at/dse/wiki.cgi?BackLinkFunktion
which also left it untranslated.

"QuerVerbindungen" denotes a parallel link, something like 
RelatedPages or LikePages or NearestPages.
"RückVerbindungen" is horrible. 
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

[Phpwiki-talk] additions to translation README

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Hi,

I've just completed a major rewrite of the locale/README. One part in 
particular I would like some feedback on is the note about formal vs. 
informal language, because we have a new volunteer who offered to start 
some French translation.

Also this part only represents my personal view about translating PhpWiki 
so it should be edited or expanded to include your views too.

Here is the text. (For follow-up discussion I suggest to use a page on the 
SF phpwiki).

Carsten


Formalities
===========
The modern English language has no clear rules for differentiating
between the formal and informal use of the spoken word. This both
simplifies and complicates matters for translators, as many languages
do still make such a distinction. For the most part, PhpWiki is written
using the casual forms of messages and explanatory text--after all the
WikiWikiWeb is an open and friendly place. :-)

However, there is no reason why translations of Wiki commands like
"Edit" or "FindPages" should not be written formally. For the sake of
recognition or clarity when the word function is the same as another
common computer term or menu-item, if you feel it would be more
effective to employ a formal variation then please do so. When the
formal word is significantly longer than the informal word, make a
judgment call or substitute an abbreviation, provided that it will
be easily recognized.

Remember that a good and thorough translation is a subjective and
collective process. Once people have had a chance to test-drive your
newly-translated PhpWiki there will always be suggestions for
reshaping and improving it.

Diversity and Change are part of WikiEssence. By all means don't
belabour the translation process, and have some fun!

[Phpwiki-talk] patches 496662, 496654, 496158 completed

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

I added patches from the SF site #496662, 496654, 496158 into PhpWiki so 
they can be closed off. (I updated the requests with some notes for each 
but can't close them myself).

Carsten

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] French L10N & other stuff

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Hi S=E9bastien,

As far as I know, no one else is working on a French translation yet. =
I'm=20
sending you (separately) the new instructions and tips for translating=20=

PhpWiki 1.3 which I just finished rewriting.

If you have any questions about the translating feel free to ask here on=20=

the list.

Thank you for your help!

Carsten

(P.S Your english is excellent!)

On Wednesday, December 26, 2001, at 05:44  pm, S. Delahaye wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm new on this list, so I'll begin by saying some words about me : My
> name  is  S=E9bastien Delahaye, I'm a french student, I develop some =
php
> applications, and my english is really very poor.
>
> As  some  of  you may have noticed (those who have not should have :),
> I've   submitted   some   tiny   patches   for  phpWiki  yesterday  on
> sourceforge.net  (Maybe  you  should redirect the patchs & bugs to the
> appropriate mailing-lists ?).
>
> I've  begun  working  of  a  french  l10n  of  phpWiki.  So  far, I've
> translated  50%  of  the  .po file, and some files in pgsrc/. Before I
> continue,  I  wanted  to  know  if anybody was working on a same l10n,
> because it would be too bad to have the work done twice :)
> I just looked at the archives of this list, and saw nothing related to
> a french l10n in december, but I prefer asking.
>
> Bye,
>
> --
>  S.
>  del...@fr...

[Phpwiki-talk] French L10N & other stuff

[S. D. <del...@fr...>]

Hello,

I'm new on this list, so I'll begin by saying some words about me : My
name  is  S=E9bastien Delahaye, I'm a french student, I develop some php
applications, and my english is really very poor=2E

As  some  of  you may have noticed (those who have not should have :),
I've   submitted   some   tiny   patches   for  phpWiki  yesterday  on
sourceforge=2Enet  (Maybe  you  should redirect the patchs & bugs to the
appropriate mailing-lists ?)=2E

I've  begun  working  of  a  french  l10n  of  phpWiki=2E  So  far, I've
translated  50%  of  the  =2Epo file, and some files in pgsrc/=2E Before I
continue,  I  wanted  to  know  if anybody was working on a same l10n,
because it would be too bad to have the work done twice :)
I just looked at the archives of this list, and saw nothing related to
a french l10n in december, but I prefer asking=2E

Bye,

--=20
 S=2E=20
 delahaye@frjv=2Eorg

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki with multiple (hierarchical) categories...

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Hi,

The new developmental version 1.3 has a plugin feature which makes it 
easier to add in extra modules.

There isn't any specific "Category" feature yet that I am aware of but 
this can be accomplished by adding key words to the bottom of the page. 
For an example, click the category name at the bottom of the page in <http:
//phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/RandomPage>, it takes you to the 
category description page. Edit the category page 
"CategoryNextWikiSuggestions" to see how it works: each category page 
calls the plugin like this:

<?plugin BackLinks page=[pagename] noheader=1?>

Does your enhancement handle categories similar to the above example or is 
it something different?

:-)

Carsten

On Wednesday, December 26, 2001, at 02:38  pm, Kishore Balakrishnan wrote:

> Seasons Greetings,
>
> 	I downloaded phpWiki about 6 months ago and have tweaked it by
>
> 		1) making the pages editable only by me...
>
> 			I would be glad to allow any of you to try it on request...
>
> 		2) importantly: including a new field : categories to the pages...
>
> 			and adding 2 features
>
> 			a) All the related pages ( pages with same categories ) are 
> listed on the right of the individual pages
>
> 				e.g., http://www.carnatic.com/karmasaya/index.php?Steve%20Wainstead
>
> 			b) a new page which will only list pages of a particular category
>
> 				( this link is available at the end of all pages... )
>
> 				e.g., http://www.carnatic.com/karmasaya/index.php?category=Article
>
> 					( all the articles i like on the web )
>
> 		I am very happy with the result... I still want to implement 
> hierarchical categories.
>
> 	Please see http://www.carnatic.com/karmasaya/
>
> 	I would like to know if this feature is being planned...
>
> --
>
> 	http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/LikePages is similar...
>
> 		But, my requirement is that user can specify clearly what is the 
> category/keyword instead of using the same titles...
>
> Best Regards, Kishore.
>
> --
>
> http://www.carnatic.com

[Phpwiki-talk] phpwiki with multiple (hierarchical) categories...

[Kishore B. <ki...@ca...>]

Seasons Greetings,

	I downloaded phpWiki about 6 months ago and have tweaked it by

		1) making the pages editable only by me...

			I would be glad to allow any of you to try it on request...

		2) importantly: including a new field : categories to the pages...

			and adding 2 features

			a) All the related pages ( pages with same categories ) 
are listed on the right of the individual pages

				e.g., http://www.carnatic.com/karmasaya/index.php?Steve%20Wainstead

			b) a new page which will only list pages of a particular category

				( this link is available at the end of all pages... )

				e.g., http://www.carnatic.com/karmasaya/index.php?category=Article

					( all the articles i like on the web )

		I am very happy with the result... I still want to implement 
hierarchical categories.

	Please see http://www.carnatic.com/karmasaya/

	I would like to know if this feature is being planned...

--

	http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/LikePages is similar...

		But, my requirement is that user can specify clearly what is 
the category/keyword instead of using the same titles...

Best Regards, Kishore.

--

http://www.carnatic.com

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

thanks Reini!

~swain

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Reini Urban wrote:

> Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Reini Urban wrote:
> >
> > > > 3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?  The only people
> > > > who use it probably use cvs anyway.  I for one have not the faintest idea
> > > > what the tests are for!
> >
> > Automated, aggressive testing is a tennet of Extreme Programming and a
> > good idea... I haven't put much effort into the tests since the initial
> > import.
> >
> > I think as long as we are shipping developer versions (1.3 branch) the
> > tests can stay included, since they don't use much space. For a stable
> > release (1.2 or 1.4) they would be left out.
> >
> > The tests use a little system I wrote as a consultant for a small company
> > here in NYC. It's httpunit (Java) and Ant (from the Jakarta project). In a
> > sense it works like a browser and exercises a Web application as a user
> > would.
> >
> > >
> > > Yes, the testes inspired me yesterday to download the sun jre runtime,
> > > but then I needed another 30mb download for the complete sdk just for
> > > javac.exe
> > > is there any more info how to run the tests or where to get the needed
> > > classes, steve?
> > > sun j2sdk1.4.0-beta3
> >
> > Hmm. I thought I had a README in there. Doh. I can track this down and add
> > it. I had a little tutorial I wrote but I must not have included it.
> >
> > > $ javac AAA_GetHomePage.java
> > > AAA_GetHomePage.java:2: package com.meterware.httpunit does not exist
> > > import com.meterware.httpunit.*;
> > > ^
> > > AAA_GetHomePage.java:18: cannot resolve symbol
> > > symbol  : class WebRequest
> > > location: class AAA_GetHomePage
> > >             WebRequest          request;
> > >             ^
> >
> > Ja, you need httpunit in your $CLASSPATH. It's available from Sourceforge;
> > just download the jar file and add it to your $CLASSPATH. Then install
> > Ant, and you're all set.
> >
> > The tests don't work "out of the box" right now because I haven't figured
> > out how to give the tests a URL that will work anywhere (certainly doable,
> > like with 127.0.0.1 or a small config file the developer uses.. or even
> > parsing the index.php).
> >
> > After that it's a simple matter of writing more little test scripts. I'll
> > be able to make it test lots of things:
> >
> > login
> > diff
> > follow links
> > edit a page and make sure the change is there
> >
> > and many more. Then I want to set up a cron job to run the tests against
> > the alpha site every night after it's been installed, and send an email (I
> > read something on sourceforge recently on how to do that as well) with the
> > test results.
> >
> > It's just something that's been on the backburner for some time.
>
> I like the tests and enhanced the perl makemakebuild.pl to produce a
> better Makefile. So you can easily add more tests.
>
> I also tried to be independent of the ant executable and the build.xml
> for gnu make friends, just because it is easier to add tests.
> but this doesn't work yet, so it's commented out.
> java on windows depends on backslashes in pathnames which is a mess in my
> eyes.
> I would really need a cygwin java.exe
> And the latest j2sdk1.4.0 doesn't read getenv('CLASSPATH') anymore.
>
> I also added the basic docs into this file.
> And a simple scheme to add your personal test url.
> --
> Reini Urban
> http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phpwiki-talk mailing list
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpwiki-talk
>

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Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Steve Wainstead schrieb:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Reini Urban wrote:
> 
> > > 3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?  The only people
> > > who use it probably use cvs anyway.  I for one have not the faintest idea
> > > what the tests are for!
> 
> Automated, aggressive testing is a tennet of Extreme Programming and a
> good idea... I haven't put much effort into the tests since the initial
> import.
> 
> I think as long as we are shipping developer versions (1.3 branch) the
> tests can stay included, since they don't use much space. For a stable
> release (1.2 or 1.4) they would be left out.
> 
> The tests use a little system I wrote as a consultant for a small company
> here in NYC. It's httpunit (Java) and Ant (from the Jakarta project). In a
> sense it works like a browser and exercises a Web application as a user
> would.
> 
> >
> > Yes, the testes inspired me yesterday to download the sun jre runtime,
> > but then I needed another 30mb download for the complete sdk just for
> > javac.exe
> > is there any more info how to run the tests or where to get the needed
> > classes, steve?
> > sun j2sdk1.4.0-beta3
> 
> Hmm. I thought I had a README in there. Doh. I can track this down and add
> it. I had a little tutorial I wrote but I must not have included it.
> 
> > $ javac AAA_GetHomePage.java
> > AAA_GetHomePage.java:2: package com.meterware.httpunit does not exist
> > import com.meterware.httpunit.*;
> > ^
> > AAA_GetHomePage.java:18: cannot resolve symbol
> > symbol  : class WebRequest
> > location: class AAA_GetHomePage
> >             WebRequest          request;
> >             ^
> 
> Ja, you need httpunit in your $CLASSPATH. It's available from Sourceforge;
> just download the jar file and add it to your $CLASSPATH. Then install
> Ant, and you're all set.
> 
> The tests don't work "out of the box" right now because I haven't figured
> out how to give the tests a URL that will work anywhere (certainly doable,
> like with 127.0.0.1 or a small config file the developer uses.. or even
> parsing the index.php).
> 
> After that it's a simple matter of writing more little test scripts. I'll
> be able to make it test lots of things:
> 
> login
> diff
> follow links
> edit a page and make sure the change is there
> 
> and many more. Then I want to set up a cron job to run the tests against
> the alpha site every night after it's been installed, and send an email (I
> read something on sourceforge recently on how to do that as well) with the
> test results.
> 
> It's just something that's been on the backburner for some time.

I like the tests and enhanced the perl makemakebuild.pl to produce a 
better Makefile. So you can easily add more tests.

I also tried to be independent of the ant executable and the build.xml 
for gnu make friends, just because it is easier to add tests. 
but this doesn't work yet, so it's commented out. 
java on windows depends on backslashes in pathnames which is a mess in my
eyes.
I would really need a cygwin java.exe
And the latest j2sdk1.4.0 doesn't read getenv('CLASSPATH') anymore.

I also added the basic docs into this file. 
And a simple scheme to add your personal test url.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:11:49 -0500
"Carsten Klapp" <car...@ma...> wrote:

> The German files are done with the templates so they can go. (I didn't 
> want to delete them myself because I was worried they might be removed 
> from the 1.2 branch as well. Do I need to worry about this or does CVS 
> handle them separately?)

Gone.  You don't need to worry about that, I don't think.  You just have
to have the right sticky tags (in this case, none) set, so that your
changes are checked into the right branch...
 



I'm taking off for the holidays tomorrow --- I'll be back in a week and a
half or so.  If you don't hear from me for awhile, that's why.

Have a good Christmas everyone!

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Steve W. <sw...@pa...>]

On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, Reini Urban wrote:

> > 3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?  The only people
> > who use it probably use cvs anyway.  I for one have not the faintest idea
> > what the tests are for!

Automated, aggressive testing is a tennet of Extreme Programming and a
good idea... I haven't put much effort into the tests since the initial
import.

I think as long as we are shipping developer versions (1.3 branch) the
tests can stay included, since they don't use much space. For a stable
release (1.2 or 1.4) they would be left out.

The tests use a little system I wrote as a consultant for a small company
here in NYC. It's httpunit (Java) and Ant (from the Jakarta project). In a
sense it works like a browser and exercises a Web application as a user
would.

>
> Yes, the testes inspired me yesterday to download the sun jre runtime,
> but then I needed another 30mb download for the complete sdk just for
> javac.exe
> is there any more info how to run the tests or where to get the needed
> classes, steve?
> sun j2sdk1.4.0-beta3

Hmm. I thought I had a README in there. Doh. I can track this down and add
it. I had a little tutorial I wrote but I must not have included it.

> $ javac AAA_GetHomePage.java
> AAA_GetHomePage.java:2: package com.meterware.httpunit does not exist
> import com.meterware.httpunit.*;
> ^
> AAA_GetHomePage.java:18: cannot resolve symbol
> symbol  : class WebRequest
> location: class AAA_GetHomePage
>             WebRequest          request;
>             ^

Ja, you need httpunit in your $CLASSPATH. It's available from Sourceforge;
just download the jar file and add it to your $CLASSPATH. Then install
Ant, and you're all set.

The tests don't work "out of the box" right now because I haven't figured
out how to give the tests a URL that will work anywhere (certainly doable,
like with 127.0.0.1 or a small config file the developer uses.. or even
parsing the index.php).

After that it's a simple matter of writing more little test scripts. I'll
be able to make it test lots of things:

login
diff
follow links
edit a page and make sure the change is there

and many more. Then I want to set up a cron job to run the tests against
the alpha site every night after it's been installed, and send an email (I
read something on sourceforge recently on how to do that as well) with the
test results.

It's just something that's been on the backburner for some time.

~swain

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[Phpwiki-talk] calendar plugin subpages

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

I suggest using "." to denote subpages because of rawurlencode issues and
USE_PATH_INFO
problems with ":".
rawurlencode only leaves - _ and . but escapes / and :

so far I have:
function getDefaultArguments() {
   // FIXME: how to exclude multiple pages?
   return array('prefix' => (USE_PATH_INFO) ? '[pagename].' : '[pagename]:',
...


BTW: Should I commit the CalendarPlugin description to pgsrc?
Or should just the plugin src point to
http://phpwiki.sf.net/phpwiki/CalendarPlugin
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Lawrence Akka schrieb:
> Incidentally, might it be sensible to release language packs separately,
> rather than including them in the main distribution?  Just a thought

I'm for keeping it in main.

> 
> 3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?  The only people
> who use it probably use cvs anyway.  I for one have not the faintest idea
> what the tests are for!

Yes, the testes inspired me yesterday to download the sun jre runtime, 
but then I needed another 30mb download for the complete sdk just for 
javac.exe
is there any more info how to run the tests or where to get the needed 
classes, steve?
sun j2sdk1.4.0-beta3

$ javac AAA_GetHomePage.java
AAA_GetHomePage.java:2: package com.meterware.httpunit does not exist
import com.meterware.httpunit.*;
^
AAA_GetHomePage.java:18: cannot resolve symbol
symbol  : class WebRequest
location: class AAA_GetHomePage
            WebRequest          request;
            ^
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] virgin problems

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Jeff Dairiki schrieb:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:11:30 +0000
> "Reini Urban" <ru...@x-...> wrote:
> > on windows/apache under heavy load it always timed out in between
> > loading the pages,
> ...
> > I tried several other more clever solutions but didn't succeed.
> > such as increasing timeout.
> 
> Was it failing due to exceeding the timeout, or failing for some other
> reason?
> 
> I think we already reset PHP's watching to 30 seconds for each file we
> load from pgsrc.  (If it takes more than 30 seconds to load a page ...
> well, that is a heavily loaded server!)

Why it failed I cannot really say. It didn't fail because of 
timeout for sure because I enhanced timeout form 30 to 240 per page :)
It was still slow so I enhanced timeout.
The fact is that my Apache-SSL server crashes twice per SetupWiki, 
after a 
  $ mysql -e "delete from page" phpwiki 
each time I tested. On the same pages, loaded alphabetically.
But my SSL server is more sensitive to crashes than without SSL. Strange.

I only wanted to post that workaround for someone else to help himself out 
with renaming the HomePage to x so that it will restart until the SetupWiki() 
works.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

The html templates can go... except for the editpage template for the time 
being.

For each language, the TextFormattingRules instructions need to be moved 
into a Summary paragraph at the top of the TextFormattingRules in pgsrc.

The German files are done with the templates so they can go. (I didn't 
want to delete them myself because I was worried they might be removed 
from the 1.2 branch as well. Do I need to worry about this or does CVS 
handle them separately?)

Once the translators are done with TFR the editpage templates can go. I 
suppose there's no reason to keep Browse and Message around, they can be 
deleted right away.

Carsten

On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 06:45  am, Lawrence Akka wrote:

> I have just downloaded the new 1.3.2 package and seen in it a few 
> unexpected "extras" :-)
>
> Would it be possible to clean up the cvs so that unneeded files are 
> removed?  That way, I won't have to keep ignoring them everytime I update 
> my local copy (I am lazy like that!)
>
> 1)  Everything in the admin directory - I remember Steve saying recently 
> that these files had all been superceded
>
> 2)  locale/xx/templates - All of these (I think) use the old template 
> format anyway.  Do they even work with the new wiki?  In any case, I 
> thought that we no longer needed different language versions of the 
> templates since some very clever person had an ingenious idea to use 
> gettext in the templates, and Jeff implemented it (:-))
>
> Incidentally, might it be sensible to release language packs separately, 
> rather than including them in the main distribution?  Just a thought
>
> 3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?  The only people 
> who use it probably use cvs anyway.  I for one have not the faintest idea 
> what the tests are for!
>
>
> Lawrence

[Phpwiki-talk] Re: [phpwiki-checkins] CVS: phpwiki/templates editpage.html,1.31,1.32

[Carsten K. <car...@ma...>]

Moving the BackLinks to the bottom with the other actions would be nice. I 
wanted to see some reorganization the ToolBar anyway.

I posted some ideas for discussion at 
<http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/ToolBars>.

Carsten

On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 11:09  am, Jeff Dairiki wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:15:36 -0800
> "Carsten Klapp" <car...@us...> wrote:
>
>> Update of /cvsroot/phpwiki/phpwiki/templates
>> In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv22395/phpwiki/templates
>>
>> Modified Files:
>> 	editpage.html
> ...
>> o The link destination for the heading now points to the BackLinks for
> the page instead of just browsing to the page. This change maintains
> user-interface consistency, i.e. the title now always navigates to the
> BackLinks page (except for pages based on the message template). To refer
> to the original page during editing, click the back button in the browser
> or open a seperate window....
>
>
> I don't really like that change.  I find it very useful to have a link
> back to the original page.  And, why would you want to find backlinks from
> the edit page?
>
> I'll admit that the page-title => backlinks (but only sometimes) is
> confusing. There's been talk for awhile of putting in an explicit
> BackLinks button(or some such) to get away from this.
>

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:45:50 +0000
"Lawrence Akka" <la...@us...> wrote:

> 1)  Everything in the admin directory - I remember Steve saying recently
> that these files had all been superceded

What's left there is truly vestigal.  I think most of what's left is
either obsolete, or skeletons of things which never got done.  I'll leave
it to Steve to remove them altogether though.

> 2)  locale/xx/templates

Yes, now with gettextified templates, those are obsolete (unused).
We should leave them in the CVS, I think, until translations get moved
from the old template files into the po files...


> 3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?

Probably not.  On the other hand, 1.3 is still rather alpha: extra
cruft in the distributions is the least of our problems.  :-)

[Phpwiki-talk] Re: [phpwiki-checkins] CVS: phpwiki/templates editpage.html,1.31,1.32

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:15:36 -0800
"Carsten Klapp" <car...@us...> wrote:

> Update of /cvsroot/phpwiki/phpwiki/templates
> In directory usw-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv22395/phpwiki/templates
> 
> Modified Files:
> 	editpage.html 
...
> o The link destination for the heading now points to the BackLinks for
the page instead of just browsing to the page. This change maintains
user-interface consistency, i.e. the title now always navigates to the
BackLinks page (except for pages based on the message template). To refer
to the original page during editing, click the back button in the browser
or open a seperate window.... 


I don't really like that change.  I find it very useful to have a link
back to the original page.  And, why would you want to find backlinks from
the edit page?

I'll admit that the page-title => backlinks (but only sometimes) is
confusing. There's been talk for awhile of putting in an explicit
BackLinks button(or some such) to get away from this.

Re: [Phpwiki-talk] virgin problems

[Jeff D. <da...@da...>]

On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 03:11:30 +0000
"Reini Urban" <ru...@x-...> wrote:

> on windows/apache under heavy load it always timed out in between 
> loading the pages,
...
> I tried several other more clever solutions but didn't succeed.
> such as increasing timeout.

Was it failing due to exceeding the timeout, or failing for some other
reason?

I think we already reset PHP's watching to 30 seconds for each file we
load from pgsrc.  (If it takes more than 30 seconds to load a page ...
well, that is a heavily loaded server!)

[Phpwiki-talk] Cleaning up cvs

[Lawrence A. <la...@us...>]

I have just downloaded the new 1.3.2 package and seen in it a few 
unexpected "extras" :-)

Would it be possible to clean up the cvs so that unneeded files are 
removed?  That way, I won't have to keep ignoring them everytime I update 
my local copy (I am lazy like that!)

1)  Everything in the admin directory - I remember Steve saying recently 
that these files had all been superceded

2)  locale/xx/templates - All of these (I think) use the old template 
format anyway.  Do they even work with the new wiki?  In any case, I 
thought that we no longer needed different language versions of the 
templates since some very clever person had an ingenious idea to use 
gettext in the templates, and Jeff implemented it (:-))

Incidentally, might it be sensible to release language packs separately, 
rather than including them in the main distribution?  Just a thought

3)  Do we really need to distribute the tests directory?  The only people 
who use it probably use cvs anyway.  I for one have not the faintest idea 
what the tests are for!


Lawrence

[Phpwiki-talk] virgin problems

[Reini U. <ru...@x-...>]

Setting up the virgin wiki was a mess with the actual cvs.

on windows/apache under heavy load it always timed out in between 
loading the pages, so that HomePage was loaded but the rest not.
So I always came up with a half dbset. 
From time to time my apache also just died and reloaded (SSL?).

The easiest solution was to rename the file pgsrc/HomePage to xHomePage, 
rename it back, and delete it from the wiki db.
I tried several other more clever solutions but didn't succeed.
such as increasing timeout.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/