Re: [Back-end-development] Re: [Phpslash-devel] Re: Fwd: Re: backend -> phpslash questions
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From: Mike G. <mi...@op...> - 2003-11-18 16:57:24
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Hi Evan, PSL folks, let us know if you want to be dropped from this discussion. On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 20:10, Evan Hughes wrote: > I'll be my curmudgeonly self: You're contributing some good stuff.. Will be interesting to see where this unit testing takes us.. Should give us more confidence that the CVS is stable and even more confidence that our releases are. > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:55:02PM -0500, Mike Gifford wrote: ... > > 3) Discussing a project development roadmap. BE/PSL are pretty unique > > Open Source projects, how can we promote the development of this > > community? > There are a couple of quick answers to this that can be broached now: > - Lack of centralization/modularization in BE. There's no obvious > starting point for n00bs. Is this including or excluding the work done by the PSL folks on M8? > - No apparent docs. I know PeterB wrote some, but they aren't on the > BE/sf site. The BE docs have been posted to the list multiple times. When you install BE, you see them on the default screen when you log in: Help Screens »Developer's Guide »Help with text formatting It was on the old site, but after updating it not all of the data got migrated.. We need more folks posting data. http://www.back-end.org/index.php/developerDocs I'll run phpDoc shortly and get those updated and posted to this site too. > - No open forum for feature requests. What's wrong with: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=6763&atid=356763 I could set up a discussion forum on sf if you like. Alternately, if you want to set up something like phpBB for users & developers to discuss issues, we can do that. > I'm mentioning these here and now because they may make reasonable > starting points for our 5:30 and 6:00 discussions. Yup.. But I expect that there will be lots to talk about. ... > > 5:20 - Quick History of BE & PSL > > - Separate projects - both with a long history > > - OpenConcept began developing applications with PSL Code in 2001. > If possible, could we do this via email? The history, although > interesting does not require an interactive forum like a conference > call. It would also be worth mentioning on the website. Sure, I'd be fine with that. > > 5:30 - Plans for the future > > - PSL plans for 0.8 > ^^^ looks good. The PSL Plans? > > - New BE coding/testing initiatives. > > - beautiful code > > - unitTesting > > - cvs demos > What more will be said about these initiatives than "We're doing > them"? Unless there's a desired feedback component, I think we'd be > comfortable with you saying "we've got standards, you can find 'em here, > obey 'em". The more stuff that we can do over the net the better, but I think it is useful to what has happened in the last month or so to ensure that the code is as robust as possible and as attractive to new developers as possible. > I think there's a lot of value in talking about future > design/development plans tho. I've posted the agenda here and moved things around a little: http://www.openconcept.ca/be_wiki/index.php/DevelopmentMeetingAgenda How much time do you think this should take and what type of a structure/talking points would you see in it. Ideally we're moving to a roadmap for future releases, so what do we need. ... > > 6:30 - Challenges for development & potential solutions > > - i18n > > - limited budgets > > - bringing new developers up to speed > Also might be worth adding "growing the BE devel community" -- this > will cure a few of the budget ills. Both a challenge and an opportunity for sure. > > Should we have a wiki or something to keep track of minutes, action > > items, etc? > Take minutes? Sounds like a good idea. I would volunteer, but I tend > to space out for brief periods of time during conf. calls, so I may not > be the best person. If nobody else vols, I can do it. It should be someone in Ottawa (I think). Nobody else has volunteered to facilitate, so I'll be doing that. Any other suggestions? Nominating the last one in the door isn't the best way to do it. > Thanks for putting this together Mike/Peter. It should help make > Thursday's meeting much productive. Yup.. As do questions & clarifications.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/ Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy |