Re: [Phpslash-devel] SF Issues

[nathan r. h. <na...@ds...>]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Joe Stewart wrote:

> I've been mirroring the nightly tarballs some also.
>

Cool.  I'm a slacker when it comes to backups.  But after having recently
rebuilt my work machine after it ate everything, I'm starting to drool
over big tape drives :)  (well, and the LVM patch.. )

> There is more to the story also.  phpGroupWare is now a GNU project.  So
> it would be natural for them to be hosted on GNU servers.
>

True, and this is a highly visiable move for both GNU and phpGW.  it good
for them both and hepls move FSF / GNU into a better role of supporting
their software, which has historiaclly been laoded on the shoulders of the
developers.  Savanah is a Good Thing, and for future projects I'll
probably use it insead of SourceForge.

But I think the phpGW's status as a full GNU app doesn't mitigate the
overarching issues of SourceForge being a trophy site for VA Systems and
that VA is looking like it's on the rocks (or will be soon).  Do I mind
the Sf is a trophy site?  Hell NO!  It works, it's fine, the service is
free.  I fear more the political backlash from extremeists who feel that
what VA is doing is wrong will have a negative effect on VA and will push
VA out of business.  While I would like the SF codebase to remain open
and free, the fact of the matter is that large businesses are running
scared  from the term "OpenSource" becasue they think its synonmus with
"Dot.Bomb"  The only way VA can survive is to turn to the dark sde
somewhat.  Granted this makes them a living contridiction of them self,
but hey..

I think VA is getting tired of doing the doggy paddle, and hopefully
they'll get thrown a life preserver before doing the dead man's float..

> Savannah development is announced to have been moved to phpGroupWare.
> They couldn't or wouldn't extend the 2.0 sf codebase to their needs.
> phpGroupWare already has most all the parts in place to perform the same
> functions as the SF software.
>

That will be quite cool :)

> I've been using debian-sf for some local project management.  Mixed
> thoughts on it's use.
>

I've poked around at the last free release of SourceForge, damn that shit
is just frigin' ugly.  BigDisk is the Rob Malda of the php world ;-)
Well, maybe not that bad, but still know what's under the SF hood doesn't
exactly give me *more* confidence.  then again, tim Purdue (AFIK) is no
longer part of SF, and has his own consilting company.

> In case of SF disappearing, the tracker db on sf currently has no way to
> be backed up and mirrored by users.  So, that's the big gotcha right now.
>

Oh crap.. they took /export away.  I forgot.  I'm sure that they'll come
up with something, at a minimum providing MySQL dumps of the trackers is
needed if they shut down.

> After the website stuff settles down, it should just be checked in the cvs
> under a different tree.  This is how the savannah.gnu.org projects are
> setup.
>

Yes.

> mysqldump to cvs daily as well.
>
> This would simplify the backup.
>

Yes.

-n
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