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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-10 19:35:34
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-10 09:23:11
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John Finlay wrote: > Bug fixes and minor features are done on the trunk. Stable releases from the trunk are packaged once a month. You can reliably run your production site off of the trunk svn. > > Major changes (db schema, major UI or code rewrites, anything requiring GEDCOM import, etc) should be done on the 4.2 branch and will be included in the 4.2 release. Some features can get started in the 4.2 branch and then later get merged into the trunk when they are considered stable. > > The installation instructions have changed in the 4.2 branch when you run off of SVN. You have to copy config.dist to config.php as part of installation. This prevents committing your personal configuration settings to the repository. This is documented in the readme.txt file in the svn. > > --John > > > Hi John/developers, I'm updating some PGVWiki articles about SVN and am trying to write a section about the repository layout and usage and I'm confused! Taking a snippet from a chapter in this book (http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn-book.html#svn.reposadmin.projects.chooselayout) ".... create three subdirectories beneath that root: |trunk|, meaning the directory under which the main project development occurs; |branches|, which is a directory in which to create various named branches of the main development line; |tags|, which is a collection of tree snapshots that are created, and perhaps destroyed, but never changed." While repository structure *can *be anything you could possibly dream up, the Subversion book's recommended repository layout is to have trunk as the the "main development line". This layout is effectively the standard layout and usage, and is what most people would expect: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn-book.html#svn.tour.importing.layout The current PhpGedView usage of the SVN repository does not follow this "standard". The "standard" has the following advantages over the current layout/usage: 1) Everyone works on trunk - always! a) Developers needn't know the name the branch on which to work - ok, developer *should *know anyway b) Users only need to checkout code from trunk - no need to document "you should checkout from branch-xxx" for the latest code c) No confusion over what changes in the branch need merging to trunk as all changes are made to trunk 2) Branches are created for each major/non-bug-fix release and then used to track bug fixes a) If a bug-fix release is made, a new tag is made from the branch b) Once support for a particular release is stopped (i.e. no further bug fixes), the branch can be deleted The only downside would be that trunk would be more unstable, contain bugs, contain partly implemented features than it currently does. However, I'm unsure who the current "stable" trunk is aimed at addressing!? In my opinion, a version control system is a tool for the developers to gain maximum productivity through collaborative/organised development. In this respect, I feel the extra effort in trying to maintain a "stable" trunk is possibly misleading/misguided and counter-productive as it is supposed to be used by developers and anyone wanting to risk using "bleeding edge" code without warranty. Implementing a more robust release cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle) that generates beta releases and release candidates to the "users" via SVN tags would give clarity to developers, beta testers and users alike, not to mention being able to document the whole process much more easily. Anyway, rant over! ;-) Nath |
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-05 16:18:12
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-05 16:16:57
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Nathan S. Haigh wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to make some big organisational changes to the Installation > Guide page on the wiki. I think this is necessary, as I feel people who > go to the installation guide will expect to see details of PGV's > prerequisites (or a link to the prerequisites for that version of PGV) > and straight to the point of installing a web server, PHP, MySQL and any > OS specific instructions. > > Anyway, I've suggested the main changes here: > http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Talk:Installation_Guide > > Would anyone object to me redoing the Main_Page so it acts more like an > Intro to PGV rather than a series of links to the Guides? I think > several of these links would be better placed in the Sidebar - however, > I think a sysop would have to add them. > > Please let me know your thoughts! :) > Nath > > -- Ok, so, I've finished the major edits at: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Installation_Guide Could you guys take a look and see what you think etc. Cheers Nath |
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-05 16:15:15
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-05 15:24:03
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John Finlay wrote:
> There are many advantages to using JavaScript. The biggest reason why JavaScript is used for menus is because they work better in a multi-lingual environment particularly in RTL languages. I've tried converting to straight HTML/CSS menus but could never get them to work correctly in all languages. Perhaps someone with more experience than I could get them to work. Of course site admins who don't need all of the language support could make their own theme however they like.
>
> JavaScript also provides another layer of abstraction. Instead of help.php?which=blah we use help_popup('blah') and then if we ever need to make a change we only have to change in one place. It essentially equates to the same thing with the help_popup() javascript function calling the page help_text.php?help=DBTYPE. Another advantage, javascript allows us to set the size of the window.
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> The actual text is defined in languages/help_text.xx.php. Whatever is passed in through the "help" parameter is used as a key to lookup the entry in that file. The text is also run through the print_text() function to do variable replacing and other pre-processing before the text is actually printed.
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> XML has been considered, but XML support is still so limited in PHP 4 that we haven't done anything with it for the languages. We also wanted to keep the format of all of the language files consistent.
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> With Web 2.0 and AJAX the industry is also moving toward more JavaScript and you will find in the 4.2 branch that JavaScript is going to be used a lot more.
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> --John
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>
OK, I think I'm sold!
According to the PHP website, PHP4 support will be withdrawn at the end
of the year, since PHP5 is now 3yrs old - making only security fixes
until the middle of next year.
Will PGV continue supporting PHP4 or use PHP5 as it's minimum version?
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-05 15:07:50
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-05 14:59:10
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John Finlay wrote: > Bug fixes and minor features are done on the trunk. Stable releases from the trunk are packaged once a month. You can reliably run your production site off of the trunk svn. > > Major changes (db schema, major UI or code rewrites, anything requiring GEDCOM import, etc) should be done on the 4.2 branch and will be included in the 4.2 release. Some features can get started in the 4.2 branch and then later get merged into the trunk when they are considered stable. > > The installation instructions have changed in the 4.2 branch when you run off of SVN. You have to copy config.dist to config.php as part of installation. This prevents committing your personal configuration settings to the repository. This is documented in the readme.txt file in the svn. > > --John > Hi John, That's cleared it up - thanks! On a similar note...What is the versioning schema for PGV? I assume the last tuple in the PGV version is for bug fixes etc, the second tuple is for new releases, is the first tuple for major rewrites of most of PGV? Also, what's the mechanism for people to upgrade their PGV installation to apply bug fixes, update to a new stable release etc? Cheers Nath |
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-05 14:48:57
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-04 10:12:24
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Another message from me! May I ask why there is such heavy use of JavaScript throughout the site? Some of the stuff seems like it could be done with simple HTML and CSS. I always seem to find JavaScript hard to follow and clutters a lot of the HTML, making it difficult to follow - so I may be biased! :) OK, I suppose you can use the JavaScript to remove window decorations, but it seems to make things quite convoluted - I couldn't seem to find where the help text was coming from. Any pointers on this front? Couldn't something like a simple HTML link to a standard help.php file suffice? You could simply pass an argument(s) to indicate which help should be displayed. e.g. <a target="pgv_help" href="/help.php?which=DBTYPR_help> You could even store all your help text in an XML file and get help.php to simply pull out and display whichever help text you wish. Just some thoughts, as I try to get my head around the code. Nath |
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-04 08:19:21
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Can I ask how branches and trunk are used in the PGV SVN repo? Are the latest developments made on the branch or on trunk? I assumed branches and then changes are merged to the trunk and checked out the phpGedView-4.2 branch. I noticed that there is no config.php file but there is instead a config.dist - can anyone tell me why there is a naming difference? Cheers Nath |
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-04 08:06:41
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Hi, I'd like to make some big organisational changes to the Installation Guide page on the wiki. I think this is necessary, as I feel people who go to the installation guide will expect to see details of PGV's prerequisites (or a link to the prerequisites for that version of PGV) and straight to the point of installing a web server, PHP, MySQL and any OS specific instructions. Anyway, I've suggested the main changes here: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Talk:Installation_Guide Would anyone object to me redoing the Main_Page so it acts more like an Intro to PGV rather than a series of links to the Guides? I think several of these links would be better placed in the Sidebar - however, I think a sysop would have to add them. Please let me know your thoughts! :) Nath |
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-03 16:44:35
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JI've been updating pages on the wiki today and would like to inform you of those changes so that links on the SourceForge website can be updated to point towards them. 1) I updated the http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/PGVWiki:About page to include info about PhpGedView and not just the PGVWiki site - I thought it most appropriate to go there from a user's point of view coming to the wiki. However, it doesn't conform to the name space rules set out here: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/PGVWiki:Namespace#Suggested_Naming_Conventions which states name spaces starting PGVWiki should be about the wiki not PhpGedView. If this should be strictly upheld, I'll move the info about PhpGedView to: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/About And keep the PGVWiki:About page purely for info about the wiki and then have a link to the About page 1a) As a result, the links to an about.php page on the SourceForge website (http://www.phpgedview.net) should probably point to the http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/PGVWiki:About 2) I've added a Features_v4.1.1 page and redirected to it from a Features page. A new features page can be made for each new release and then the redirect can be changed to point to it. This means that the following page always gets redirected to the features of the latest release: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Features 2a) As a result, the features.php links on the SourceForge page should now point to: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Features 3) Likewise the press.php links can now point towards: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Press 4) Likewise, the donate.php links can point towards: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php/Contribute 5) I added a Core_Developer page to list and link the the user spaces of the core developer - I tried to make a guess at user names from the SourceForge website. Please update if they are wrong or missing. 6) I also added a Contributors page to list those who have contributed but are not part of the Core Dev team 7) I added a Translations page, but haven't linked to it as yet I think that's about it for the moment! Cheers Nath |
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-03 15:12:43
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-03 11:44:49
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Could someone with wiki admin rights add a Quotation Template like that found at wikipedia: http://wiki.phpgedview.net/en/index.php?title=Template:Quotation&action=edit Cheers Nath |
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-03 09:55:34
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I'm coming at this from someone new to the PGV wiki, so I apologise for being blunt and maybe coming across as being critical! I am in no way belittling the work of anyone whatsoever! Hopefully, it's seen as constructive criticism! Firstly, I find the PhPGedView header which contains links to several guides too large and unnecessary for every page. In fact, I think the wiki would have a cleaner look if the links were placed appropriately under a Documentation section in the sidebar. Thus the documentation would be accessible from all pages, and the whole page can be dedicated to content specific to that page. This might be especially a problem for lower resolution monitors as the top third of the page is taken up by the header. Secondly, the wiki site icon is inconsistent with the larger icon/image used in the above mentioned header. For example, the tree used is different, the colours are different and there is no sign of the "A new look for your old ancestors" statement. In addition, the site icon has a lot of blank space to the bottom which could be made use of and the text sort of merges with the background colour of the ellipse. I notice the PhpGedView icon is also used at the sourceforge website, but where else are these two types of icons used? Anyway, I'll see if this gets a response before saying anything else! :) Cheerio Nath |
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-02 15:33:28
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-02 15:27:31
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-02 15:26:49
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John Finlay wrote: >> Jørgen F. Dorch wrote: >> >>> I en meddelelse den 02-10-2007 14:09, skrev Nathan S. Haigh : >>> >>> >>>> When I add a new news item to the news block, is it possible to use >>>> "special keywords" or anything in order to link to pages within PGV? >>>> >> For >> >>>> example, I have added some new BMD certificate's and would like to be >>>> able to point to them directly for easy access. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> >>> Yes. The GEDCOM News text allows the use of HTML tags and HTML entities. >>> However HTML should not be used in News titles. >>> >>> >>> >> Hmm, I tried this with one link and that worked. However, when I tried >> to add more than one link, it went crazy and didn't render them >> correctly. I'd provide a link with examples, but my webserver is running >> a memory intensive job and is chugging along slowly. If anyone has an >> example of a news article containing multiple links, that would be good >> for me to see! >> >> > > I was able to successfully add multiple links to a news entry. Here is an example: > > This is some news with a link > <a href="individual.php?pid=I1">Link to Person</a> > > This is a link to a source: > <a href="source.php?sid=S1">Link to Source</a> > > > One thing to note is that you can't have any new lines inside the HTML tags as all new lines characters get converted to <br>s. > > If you want something more permanent than a news item you can try using the HTML block. > > --John > Ok, it worked doing this. I was attempting to put in the full URL including http:// etc. The first link worked fine, but 2 or more of these made <span> tags appear in the news. Thanks Nath |
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-02 15:22:02
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John Finlay wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > Well, it sounded like you assumed that by using the merge tool, you could merge two people together and also create a synchronization link between them at the same time. Right now the merge tool doesn't create the synchronization link the way that the "link remote person" option does. But I think it might be worthwhile to have a checkbox option on the merge page which will allow you to establish a link after you have completed the merge process. > > --John > > Ah Yes - that would be good - do you want me to add this as a feature request? On a similar note, for example on tree 1 I have a family with only 3 children, some ancestors of the wife and descendant of a child, on tree 2 there is the same family but it doesn't have ancestors for the wife and has all 9 children and the descendants of a different child. How on earth should I link between these families? If I link between the two husbands I get a family new family created using the data from the other tree. In reality, I'd think like to merge the two families and link them together ..... i think!? What are your thoughts/comments on this? Cheers Nathan |
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-02 15:12:36
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John Finlay wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > It is the actual installation of PHP which prevents PGV from changing the memory limit. > > Some of the online documentation is quite a bit out of date like the FAQ. We'd love to have your help and feedback. Please edit the wiki where you think it could be improved. > > You'll find a lot of answers to questions in the forums: > https://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=55456 > > Thanks, > --John > > One more thing about docs etc. I find it difficult to know where to look if there are multiple websites/portals that host documentation etc. Wouldn't it be best (especially if you have the wiki) make http://www.phpgedview.net/ point to the wiki installation and move all the content over to there? I'm sort of guessing that this may not have happened, or is slowly happening over time due to make of people hours to do the job? If this is so, I can start to ove content over to the wiki if that's helpful? Cheers Nathan |
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-02 15:12:23
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From: John F. <Joh...@ne...> - 2007-10-02 15:06:33
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From: Nathan S. H. <nat...@uk...> - 2007-10-02 13:01:59
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Jørgen F. Dorch wrote: > I en meddelelse den 02-10-2007 14:09, skrev Nathan S. Haigh : > >> When I add a new news item to the news block, is it possible to use >> "special keywords" or anything in order to link to pages within PGV? For >> example, I have added some new BMD certificate's and would like to be >> able to point to them directly for easy access. >> >> Thanks >> Nathan >> > > Yes. The GEDCOM News text allows the use of HTML tags and HTML entities. > However HTML should not be used in News titles. > > Hmm, I tried this with one link and that worked. However, when I tried to add more than one link, it went crazy and didn't render them correctly. I'd provide a link with examples, but my webserver is running a memory intensive job and is chugging along slowly. If anyone has an example of a news article containing multiple links, that would be good for me to see! Cheers Nathan |
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