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Bugs item #1894649, was opened at 2008-02-15 12:50
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Summary: Copy an Existing Survey option NOT copying conditions

Initial Comment:
When making a copy of an existing survey in version 2.0.2, the conditions for that survey are NOT being copied (new copy has no conditions).

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Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Franky,

I like the CSS idea.  Let me ponder it some more.

bishop

Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:

> Maybe another way would be to have a possibility to define a css class per
> question, so that class is used instead of the default class if wanted for
> that question ...
> Then you could use all kind of classes and layout as wanted, without the
> follow-up issue maybe ...
>
>
> On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the clarity is the current problem.  I don't like the
>> use-the-name business.  It's fine, I suppose, that it's implemented
>> that way under the hood, but the user should be able to click a check
>> box that says "This question is a follow-up to the previous question".
>> No one but we programmers would remember that you need to do "q1"
>> and "q1_followup" to make it work.
>>
>> bishop
>>
>> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
>>
>> > I already figured that out :-)
>> > I don't object to it myself, but it should be clear to the survey
>> designer
>> > when creating his questions ...
>> >
>> > Franky
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I started with !other (yes, changing its label with !other=3DFoobarbaz=
),
>> >> but that wasn't what I needed ... unless I was mis-using it.
>> >>
>> >> As I understand it, !other allows you to add in write-in responses
>> >> **to a list of predetermined choices**.  I don't want the respondent
>> >> to write in another choice, I want them to explain their choice.  So,
>> >> in my case, I want to give them a list of say 5 options.  I want to
>> >> require them to choose from that list.  Then, I want to give them the
>> >> option of explaining their choice in greater detail.  That explanation
>> >> is a follow-up to the first question, not a question that stands alone
>> >> of its own merit.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >> bishop
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
>> >>
>> >> > It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want bu=
t
>> >> > !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Franky,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
>> >> >> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion"
>> on
>> >> >> the previous answer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Like, suppose you have these two question:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
>> >> >> ( ) Very satisfied
>> >> >> ( ) About usual
>> >> >> ( ) Very dissatisfied
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that
>> >> >>  response:
>> >> >> /----------------------\
>> >> >> |                      |
>> >> >> |                      |
>> >> >> \----------------------/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
>> >> >> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice mad=
e
>> >> >> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
>> >> >> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate tha=
t
>> >> >> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thoughts?
>> >> >> bishop
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi Bishop,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a
>> >> question
>> >> >> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or
>> is
>> >> this
>> >> >> > only a visual thing?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Franky
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> All,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I
>> >> didn't
>> >> >> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll
>> commit
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Issue 940:
>> >> >> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example,
>> you
>> >> >> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, the=
n
>> >> >> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These
>> aren't
>> >> >> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered
>> as
>> >> >> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question=
,
>> so
>> >> >> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
>> >> >> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins
>> >> with
>> >> >> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a
>> >> follow-up.  For
>> >> >> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
>> >> >> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two
>> >> separate
>> >> >> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the
>> association
>> >> >> >> by the question names.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> bishop
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Bishop Bettini
>> >> >> >> ideacode, Inc.
>> >> >> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Visit us on the web at:
>> >> >> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and
>> development
>> >> >> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before
>> you
>> >> >> >> release
>> >> >> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development
>> >> problems
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
>> >> >> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
>> >> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> phpESP-devel mailing list
>> >> >> >> php...@li...
>> >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bishop Bettini
>> >> ideacode, Inc.
>> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>> >>
>> >> Visit us on the web at:
>> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
>> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
>> >> release
>> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bishop Bettini
>> ideacode, Inc.
>> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>>
>> Visit us on the web at:
>> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
>> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
>> release
>> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>>
>>
>>
>



--=20
Bishop Bettini
ideacode, Inc.
(main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100

Visit us on the web at:
ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
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bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems

Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Matthew G. <mat...@gm...>]

I agree that a it should be more exposed in the UI and no problem adding
this type of feature.
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 10:27 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> I think the clarity is the current problem.  I don't like the  
> use-the-name business.  It's fine, I suppose, that it's implemented  
> that way under the hood, but the user should be able to click a check  
> box that says "This question is a follow-up to the previous question".  
>   No one but we programmers would remember that you need to do "q1"  
> and "q1_followup" to make it work.
> 
> bishop
> 
> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> 
> > I already figured that out :-)
> > I don't object to it myself, but it should be clear to the survey designer
> > when creating his questions ...
> >
> > Franky
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I started with !other (yes, changing its label with !other=Foobarbaz),
> >> but that wasn't what I needed ... unless I was mis-using it.
> >>
> >> As I understand it, !other allows you to add in write-in responses
> >> **to a list of predetermined choices**.  I don't want the respondent
> >> to write in another choice, I want them to explain their choice.  So,
> >> in my case, I want to give them a list of say 5 options.  I want to
> >> require them to choose from that list.  Then, I want to give them the
> >> option of explaining their choice in greater detail.  That explanation
> >> is a follow-up to the first question, not a question that stands alone
> >> of its own merit.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> bishop
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
> >>
> >> > It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
> >> > !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> >> >> Hi Franky,
> >> >>
> >> >> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
> >> >> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on
> >> >> the previous answer.
> >> >>
> >> >> Like, suppose you have these two question:
> >> >>
> >> >> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
> >> >> ( ) Very satisfied
> >> >> ( ) About usual
> >> >> ( ) Very dissatisfied
> >> >>
> >> >> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that
> >> >>  response:
> >> >> /----------------------\
> >> >> |                      |
> >> >> |                      |
> >> >> \----------------------/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
> >> >> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made
> >> >> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
> >> >> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that
> >> >> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thoughts?
> >> >> bishop
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Bishop,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a
> >> question
> >> >> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is
> >> this
> >> >> > only a visual thing?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Franky
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I
> >> didn't
> >> >> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit
> >> to
> >> >> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Issue 940:
> >> >> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
> >> >> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
> >> >> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
> >> >> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
> >> >> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
> >> >> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
> >> >> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins
> >> with
> >> >> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a
> >> follow-up.  For
> >> >> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
> >> >> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two
> >> separate
> >> >> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
> >> >> >> by the question names.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bishop
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Bishop Bettini
> >> >> >> ideacode, Inc.
> >> >> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Visit us on the web at:
> >> >> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> >> >> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> >> >> >> release
> >> >> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development
> >> problems
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> >> >> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> >> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> phpESP-devel mailing list
> >> >> >> php...@li...
> >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bishop Bettini
> >> ideacode, Inc.
> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> >>
> >> Visit us on the web at:
> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> >> release
> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 

Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Franky V. L. <lie...@te...>]

Maybe another way would be to have a possibility to define a css class per
question, so that class is used instead of the default class if wanted for
that question ...
Then you could use all kind of classes and layout as wanted, without the
follow-up issue maybe ...


On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>
> I think the clarity is the current problem.  I don't like the
> use-the-name business.  It's fine, I suppose, that it's implemented
> that way under the hood, but the user should be able to click a check
> box that says "This question is a follow-up to the previous question".
> No one but we programmers would remember that you need to do "q1"
> and "q1_followup" to make it work.
>
> bishop
>
> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
>
> > I already figured that out :-)
> > I don't object to it myself, but it should be clear to the survey
> designer
> > when creating his questions ...
> >
> > Franky
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I started with !other (yes, changing its label with !other=Foobarbaz),
> >> but that wasn't what I needed ... unless I was mis-using it.
> >>
> >> As I understand it, !other allows you to add in write-in responses
> >> **to a list of predetermined choices**.  I don't want the respondent
> >> to write in another choice, I want them to explain their choice.  So,
> >> in my case, I want to give them a list of say 5 options.  I want to
> >> require them to choose from that list.  Then, I want to give them the
> >> option of explaining their choice in greater detail.  That explanation
> >> is a follow-up to the first question, not a question that stands alone
> >> of its own merit.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> bishop
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
> >>
> >> > It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
> >> > !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> >> >> Hi Franky,
> >> >>
> >> >> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
> >> >> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion"
> on
> >> >> the previous answer.
> >> >>
> >> >> Like, suppose you have these two question:
> >> >>
> >> >> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
> >> >> ( ) Very satisfied
> >> >> ( ) About usual
> >> >> ( ) Very dissatisfied
> >> >>
> >> >> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that
> >> >>  response:
> >> >> /----------------------\
> >> >> |                      |
> >> >> |                      |
> >> >> \----------------------/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
> >> >> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made
> >> >> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
> >> >> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that
> >> >> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thoughts?
> >> >> bishop
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Bishop,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a
> >> question
> >> >> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or
> is
> >> this
> >> >> > only a visual thing?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Franky
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> All,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I
> >> didn't
> >> >> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll
> commit
> >> to
> >> >> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Issue 940:
> >> >> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example,
> you
> >> >> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
> >> >> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These
> aren't
> >> >> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered
> as
> >> >> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question,
> so
> >> >> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
> >> >> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins
> >> with
> >> >> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a
> >> follow-up.  For
> >> >> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
> >> >> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two
> >> separate
> >> >> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the
> association
> >> >> >> by the question names.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bishop
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Bishop Bettini
> >> >> >> ideacode, Inc.
> >> >> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Visit us on the web at:
> >> >> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and
> development
> >> >> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before
> you
> >> >> >> release
> >> >> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development
> >> problems
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> >> >> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> >> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> phpESP-devel mailing list
> >> >> >> php...@li...
> >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bishop Bettini
> >> ideacode, Inc.
> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> >>
> >> Visit us on the web at:
> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> >> release
> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bishop Bettini
> ideacode, Inc.
> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>
> Visit us on the web at:
> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> release
> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>
>
>

Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

I think the clarity is the current problem.  I don't like the =20
use-the-name business.  It's fine, I suppose, that it's implemented =20
that way under the hood, but the user should be able to click a check =20
box that says "This question is a follow-up to the previous question". =20
  No one but we programmers would remember that you need to do "q1" =20
and "q1_followup" to make it work.

bishop

Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:

> I already figured that out :-)
> I don't object to it myself, but it should be clear to the survey designer
> when creating his questions ...
>
> Franky
>
>
> On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>>
>> I started with !other (yes, changing its label with !other=3DFoobarbaz),
>> but that wasn't what I needed ... unless I was mis-using it.
>>
>> As I understand it, !other allows you to add in write-in responses
>> **to a list of predetermined choices**.  I don't want the respondent
>> to write in another choice, I want them to explain their choice.  So,
>> in my case, I want to give them a list of say 5 options.  I want to
>> require them to choose from that list.  Then, I want to give them the
>> option of explaining their choice in greater detail.  That explanation
>> is a follow-up to the first question, not a question that stands alone
>> of its own merit.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> bishop
>>
>>
>> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
>>
>> > It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
>> > !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
>> >> Hi Franky,
>> >>
>> >> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
>> >> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on
>> >> the previous answer.
>> >>
>> >> Like, suppose you have these two question:
>> >>
>> >> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
>> >> ( ) Very satisfied
>> >> ( ) About usual
>> >> ( ) Very dissatisfied
>> >>
>> >> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that
>> >>  response:
>> >> /----------------------\
>> >> |                      |
>> >> |                      |
>> >> \----------------------/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
>> >> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made
>> >> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
>> >> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that
>> >> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >> bishop
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Bishop,
>> >> >
>> >> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a
>> question
>> >> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is
>> this
>> >> > only a visual thing?
>> >> >
>> >> > Franky
>> >> >
>> >> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> All,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I
>> didn't
>> >> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit
>> to
>> >> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Issue 940:
>> >> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, yo=
u
>> >> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
>> >> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
>> >> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
>> >> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, s=
o
>> >> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
>> >> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins
>> with
>> >> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a
>> follow-up.  For
>> >> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
>> >> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two
>> separate
>> >> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the associatio=
n
>> >> >> by the question names.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> bishop
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Bishop Bettini
>> >> >> ideacode, Inc.
>> >> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Visit us on the web at:
>> >> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and developmen=
t
>> >> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before yo=
u
>> >> >> release
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>> problems
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bishop Bettini
>> ideacode, Inc.
>> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>>
>> Visit us on the web at:
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>> release
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>



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Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Franky V. L. <lie...@te...>]

I already figured that out :-)
I don't object to it myself, but it should be clear to the survey designer
when creating his questions ...

Franky


On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>
> I started with !other (yes, changing its label with !other=Foobarbaz),
> but that wasn't what I needed ... unless I was mis-using it.
>
> As I understand it, !other allows you to add in write-in responses
> **to a list of predetermined choices**.  I don't want the respondent
> to write in another choice, I want them to explain their choice.  So,
> in my case, I want to give them a list of say 5 options.  I want to
> require them to choose from that list.  Then, I want to give them the
> option of explaining their choice in greater detail.  That explanation
> is a follow-up to the first question, not a question that stands alone
> of its own merit.
>
> Thoughts?
> bishop
>
>
> Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:
>
> > It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
> > !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> >> Hi Franky,
> >>
> >> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
> >> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on
> >> the previous answer.
> >>
> >> Like, suppose you have these two question:
> >>
> >> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
> >> ( ) Very satisfied
> >> ( ) About usual
> >> ( ) Very dissatisfied
> >>
> >> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that
> >>  response:
> >> /----------------------\
> >> |                      |
> >> |                      |
> >> \----------------------/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
> >> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made
> >> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
> >> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that
> >> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> bishop
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> >>
> >> > Hi Bishop,
> >> >
> >> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a
> question
> >> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is
> this
> >> > only a visual thing?
> >> >
> >> > Franky
> >> >
> >> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> All,
> >> >>
> >> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I
> didn't
> >> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit
> to
> >> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
> >> >>
> >> >> Issue 940:
> >> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
> >> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
> >> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
> >> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
> >> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
> >> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
> >> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins
> with
> >> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a
> follow-up.  For
> >> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
> >> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two
> separate
> >> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
> >> >> by the question names.
> >> >>
> >> >> bishop
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Bishop Bettini
> >> >> ideacode, Inc.
> >> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> >> >>
> >> >> Visit us on the web at:
> >> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> >> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> >> >> release
> >> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development
> problems
> >> >>
> >> >>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> >> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> phpESP-devel mailing list
> >> >> php...@li...
> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bishop Bettini
> ideacode, Inc.
> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>
> Visit us on the web at:
> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
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> release
> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>
>
>

Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

I started with !other (yes, changing its label with !other=3DFoobarbaz), =20
but that wasn't what I needed ... unless I was mis-using it.

As I understand it, !other allows you to add in write-in responses =20
**to a list of predetermined choices**.  I don't want the respondent =20
to write in another choice, I want them to explain their choice.  So, =20
in my case, I want to give them a list of say 5 options.  I want to =20
require them to choose from that list.  Then, I want to give them the =20
option of explaining their choice in greater detail.  That explanation =20
is a follow-up to the first question, not a question that stands alone =20
of its own merit.

Thoughts?
bishop


Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:

> It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
> !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
>
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
>> Hi Franky,
>>
>> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
>> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on
>> the previous answer.
>>
>> Like, suppose you have these two question:
>>
>> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
>> ( ) Very satisfied
>> ( ) About usual
>> ( ) Very dissatisfied
>>
>> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that =20
>>  response:
>> /----------------------\
>> |                      |
>> |                      |
>> \----------------------/
>>
>>
>>
>> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
>> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made
>> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
>> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that
>> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> bishop
>>
>>
>> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
>>
>> > Hi Bishop,
>> >
>> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a questio=
n
>> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is th=
is
>> > only a visual thing?
>> >
>> > Franky
>> >
>> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> All,
>> >>
>> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I didn't
>> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit to
>> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
>> >>
>> >> Issue 940:
>> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
>> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
>> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
>> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
>> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
>> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
>> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
>> >>
>> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins with
>> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a follow-up.  For
>> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
>> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two separate
>> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
>> >> by the question names.
>> >>
>> >> bishop
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bishop Bettini
>> >> ideacode, Inc.
>> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>> >>
>> >> Visit us on the web at:
>> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
>> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
>> >> release
>> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
>> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
>> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
>> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> phpESP-devel mailing list
>> >> php...@li...
>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Franky V. L. <lie...@te...>]

and don't forget you can change the question generated by "!other" as well
...



On 1/25/08, Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...> wrote:
>
> It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
> !other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?
>
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> > Hi Franky,
> >
> > In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't
> > "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on
> > the previous answer.
> >
> > Like, suppose you have these two question:
> >
> > Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
> > ( ) Very satisfied
> > ( ) About usual
> > ( ) Very dissatisfied
> >
> > Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that
> response:
> > /----------------------\
> > |                      |
> > |                      |
> > \----------------------/
> >
> >
> >
> > The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only
> > meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made
> > for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second
> > question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that
> > the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > bishop
> >
> >
> > Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> >
> > > Hi Bishop,
> > >
> > > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a
> question
> > > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is
> this
> > > only a visual thing?
> > >
> > > Franky
> > >
> > > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> All,
> > >>
> > >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I didn't
> > >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit to
> > >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
> > >>
> > >> Issue 940:
> > >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
> > >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
> > >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
> > >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
> > >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
> > >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
> > >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
> > >>
> > >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins with
> > >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a
> follow-up.  For
> > >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
> > >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two separate
> > >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
> > >> by the question names.
> > >>
> > >> bishop
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Bishop Bettini
> > >> ideacode, Inc.
> > >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> > >>
> > >> Visit us on the web at:
> > >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> > >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> > >> release
> > >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development
> problems
> > >>
> > >>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> > >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> phpESP-devel mailing list
> > >> php...@li...
> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Matthew G. <mat...@gm...>]

It won't look like an essay question and may not be what you want but
!other does something like this.  Maybe you could expand that?

On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 07:26 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> Hi Franky,
> 
> In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't  
> "conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on  
> the previous answer.
> 
> Like, suppose you have these two question:
> 
> Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
> ( ) Very satisfied
> ( ) About usual
> ( ) Very dissatisfied
> 
> Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that response:
> /----------------------\
> |                      |
> |                      |
> \----------------------/
> 
> 
> 
> The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only  
> meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made  
> for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second  
> question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that  
> the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.
> 
> 
> Thoughts?
> bishop
> 
> 
> Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:
> 
> > Hi Bishop,
> >
> > doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a question
> > when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is this
> > only a visual thing?
> >
> > Franky
> >
> > On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I didn't
> >> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit to
> >> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
> >>
> >> Issue 940:
> >> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
> >> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
> >> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
> >> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
> >> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
> >> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
> >> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
> >>
> >> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins with
> >> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a follow-up.  For
> >> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
> >> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two separate
> >> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
> >> by the question names.
> >>
> >> bishop
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bishop Bettini
> >> ideacode, Inc.
> >> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
> >>
> >> Visit us on the web at:
> >> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> >> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> >> release
> >> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> phpESP-devel mailing list
> >> php...@li...
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 

Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Hi Franky,

In my case, it's visual.  Showing the follow-up question isn't =20
"conditional" on the previous answer, but rather allows "expansion" on =20
the previous answer.

Like, suppose you have these two question:

Please tell us how satisfied you were with our service:
( ) Very satisfied
( ) About usual
( ) Very dissatisfied

Please list any particular experiences you had that led you to that response=
:
/----------------------\
|                      |
|                      |
\----------------------/



The second question doesn't stand on its own -- it's answer is only =20
meaningful in light of the first answer.  Similarly, the choice made =20
for the first answer doesn't drive whether to show the second =20
question: you always show it, but you want to visually indicate that =20
the essay box question "follows up" to the radio question.


Thoughts?
bishop


Quoting Franky Van Liedekerke <lie...@te...>:

> Hi Bishop,
>
> doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a question
> when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is this
> only a visual thing?
>
> Franky
>
> On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I didn't
>> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit to
>> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
>>
>> Issue 940:
>> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
>> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
>> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
>> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
>> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
>> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
>> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
>>
>> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins with
>> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a follow-up.  For
>> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
>> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two separate
>> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
>> by the question names.
>>
>> bishop
>>
>> --
>> Bishop Bettini
>> ideacode, Inc.
>> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>>
>> Visit us on the web at:
>> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
>> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
>> release
>> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
>> _______________________________________________
>> phpESP-devel mailing list
>> php...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
>>
>>
>>
>



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Re: [phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Franky V. L. <lie...@te...>]

Hi Bishop,

doesn't conditions already foresee such a functionality (show a question
when the answer to a previous question meets some conditions)? Or is this
only a visual thing?

Franky

On 1/25/08, Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I didn't
> know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit to
> trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.
>
> Issue 940:
> In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you
> might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then
> provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't
> logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as
> such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so
> as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these
> aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.
>
> Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins with
> exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a follow-up.  For
> example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that
> "q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two separate
> questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association
> by the question names.
>
> bishop
>
> --
> Bishop Bettini
> ideacode, Inc.
> (main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100
>
> Visit us on the web at:
> ideacode.com          Professional software research and development
> reviewmysoftware.com  Improve sales! Review your software before you
> release
> bytejar.com           Solutions to those annoying development problems
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft
> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
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> php...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/phpesp-devel
>
>
>

[phpesp-dev] Support visual formatting of "follow-up" survey questions

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

All,

I've made the following modification to my local branch, but I didn't =20
know if it was something the community wanted.  If so, I'll commit to =20
trunk.  There's an example screen-shot attached.

Issue 940:
In some scenarios, one question follows up another. For example, you =20
might ask to rate your experience with a particular subject, then =20
provide an open-ended justification for that rating.  These aren't =20
logically "next" questions, and should not therefore be numbered as =20
such.  They should also be visually "tied" the previous question, so =20
as to form a mental association between the two.  Finally, these =20
aren't new question types, but a relationship between questions.

Implement this by name sequencing.  If this question name begins with =20
exactly the same name as the previous question, it's a follow-up.  For =20
example "q1" followed by a "q1_comments" question will key that =20
"q1_comments" is a follow-up.  There are, however, still two separate =20
questions in the database.  We are simply indicating the association =20
by the question names.

bishop

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(main) +1 919 341 5170 / (fax) +1 919 521 4100

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[phpesp-dev] [ phpesp-Bugs-1870884 ] Greg, pls explain fix

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Bugs item #1870884, was opened at 2008-01-13 22:13
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Summary: Greg, pls explain fix

Initial Comment:
I'm just a cookbook novice trying to set up a survey.  You answered this problem for someone else but I don't know enough to understand your fix.  Can you elaborate or point me to any other documentation?
Thanks,
Rick Perkins
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Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /espdatalib.inc on line 124


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Proper fix for this is to check for and init adodb in
handler.php and handler-prefix.php.  I've commited this to CVS.

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Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
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Franky:

I was already using 2.0.2 but I deleted everything and started over just
to make sure.
Same result.  You can see fatal error here:

http://perkpress.com/Surveys/phpESP-2.0.2/index.php

I'm about to give up.  Any other suggestions?
Thanks
Rick Perkins
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Comment By: Franky Van Liedekerke (liedekef)
Date: 2008-01-16 14:35

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Well the answer is easy: update to 2.0.2 and it should be fixed. Examples
can be found in the example subdir ...

Franky

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[phpesp-dev] survey_aggregate()

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All,

I added a function - into the usual place - named survey_aggregate() =20
that aggregates one, or more, surveys together.  The function takes an =20
array of survey IDs and returns the new survey ID, or false on error.  =20
The new survey proper information copies from the first survey ID in =20
the list, then all questions are accumulated in order of survey =20
specification.

I updated survey_copy() to use survey_aggregate(), as copy is just a =20
special case of aggregate when the survey ID list contains only one =20
element.

Right now, no UI uses survey_aggregate().  At some point, we might =20
want to add a UI that allows you to choose the surveys you want to =20
combine, then click a combine button.

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Re: [phpesp-dev] question: survey creator from text file

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:

> I wouldn't have a problem including that in the scripts directory and
> since it's BSD licensed it can be.  Maybe making a note about it being
> quasi unsupported?

I've added it to scripts/.  Jim, thanks for writing phpespmod.pl; I  
think the phpESP community will benefit from it.

Note: I updated the code a little, see comments at the top of the file.

bishop

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Re: [phpesp-dev] question: survey creator from text file

[Matthew G. <mat...@gm...>]

I wouldn't have a problem including that in the scripts directory and
since it's BSD licensed it can be.  Maybe making a note about it being
quasi unsupported?

Bishop Bettini wrote:
> Hit the Three diamond Jackpot with the google keyword lottery:
> http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/phpESP_proto/README.txt
>
> Thoughts about this functionality as part of the main source tree?   
> I'm going to use it (or something substantially similar) for my db  
> bootstrapping and testing.
>
> I'd rather have it in PHP though, to reduce dependencies.
>
> bishop
>
> Quoting Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...>:
>
>   
>> All,
>>
>> I know I've seen -- somewhere on the web a long time past -- a perl
>> script that took a "survey definition" from a text file and translated
>> that into the SQL needed to make the survey in phpESP.  Has anyone
>> seen that script before?  If so, do you know where it's at?
>>
>> I think it would be a good tool to have in the phpESP distribution,
>> both for creating test surveys and bulk uploading of survey
>> "templates".  Thoughts?
>>
>> bishop
>>
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Re: [phpesp-dev] question: survey creator from text file

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Hit the Three diamond Jackpot with the google keyword lottery:
http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/phpESP_proto/README.txt

Thoughts about this functionality as part of the main source tree?  =20
I'm going to use it (or something substantially similar) for my db =20
bootstrapping and testing.

I'd rather have it in PHP though, to reduce dependencies.

bishop

Quoting Bishop Bettini <ph...@id...>:

> All,
>
> I know I've seen -- somewhere on the web a long time past -- a perl
> script that took a "survey definition" from a text file and translated
> that into the SQL needed to make the survey in phpESP.  Has anyone
> seen that script before?  If so, do you know where it's at?
>
> I think it would be a good tool to have in the phpESP distribution,
> both for creating test surveys and bulk uploading of survey
> "templates".  Thoughts?
>
> bishop
>
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> Bishop Bettini
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[phpesp-dev] question: survey creator from text file

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

All,

I know I've seen -- somewhere on the web a long time past -- a perl  
script that took a "survey definition" from a text file and translated  
that into the SQL needed to make the survey in phpESP.  Has anyone  
seen that script before?  If so, do you know where it's at?

I think it would be a good tool to have in the phpESP distribution,  
both for creating test surveys and bulk uploading of survey  
"templates".  Thoughts?

bishop

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[phpesp-dev] [ phpesp-Bugs-1876646 ] "sorry no questions" message

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Bugs item #1876646, was opened at 2008-01-21 18:48
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Submitted By: Andrew Hunt (blahblah29)
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Summary: "sorry no questions" message

Initial Comment:
In running a little test survey after developing a custom CSS file, I noticed that there's no way to control the appearance of the message "Sorry, no questions for you to answer in this section" that appears if you have conditional questions that don't need to be answered by a certain user.

In my case, the message was appearing in black on a dark green background, making it practically illegible.

Here's my quick fix.  Line 92 of /admin/include/function/survey_render.inc is what displays the message.  I simply added a <P> tag with class "message" to make it read:
     print(_('<p class="message">Sorry, no questions for you to answer in this section.</p>'));
That displays it with the same attributes that the messages at the top of the page have.  You could also make a new class and define CSS specifically for it.

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>Comment By: Franky Van Liedekerke (liedekef)
Date: 2008-01-21 20:27

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Fixed it by changing the code to:
    if ($questions_shown==0) {
        print "<p class=\"message\">";
        print(_('Sorry, no questions for you to answer in this
section.'));
        print "</p><br /><br />";
    }

Franky

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Re: [phpesp-dev] question: compositing surveys, possible enhancement

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

Quoting Matthew Gregg <mat...@gm...>:

> I don't think the condition route is the way to go.  What if you wanted
> wanted to have real conditions in the "template"?  Should you include a
> way to mark a survey as a template survey?

Agreed.  It seems like a function named survey_aggregate(), which is  
very similar to survey_copy(), would be the best solution.  I could  
use survey_aggregate() function to meet my need now, then we could  
possibly introduce the notion of templates down the road, after we've  
had time to better understand the use case and design the interface.

bishop

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Re: [phpesp-dev] question: compositing surveys, possible enhancement

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On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 12:00 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> All,
....
> But, I have also thought about using conditions, such that there's one  
> template that has all the question on it, then conditions configured  
> at survey creation time determine whether the questions show.  So,  
> imagine there's a survey called "ALL" that has all the questions from  
> CORE, ONLINE, and ILT.  Each one of those question sets would be on  
> its own section.  The "jump" to those questions would be hard-coded  
> into the conditions, based on the direction provided at upload time.
> 
> To me, it seems like the conditions way would be harder to implement  
> than the combine method.  Thoughts?
I don't think the condition route is the way to go.  What if you wanted
wanted to have real conditions in the "template"?  Should you include a
way to mark a survey as a template survey?

> 
> bishop
> 

[phpesp-dev] [ phpesp-Bugs-1876646 ] "sorry no questions" message

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Bugs item #1876646, was opened at 2008-01-21 12:48
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Submitted By: Andrew Hunt (blahblah29)
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Summary: "sorry no questions" message

Initial Comment:
In running a little test survey after developing a custom CSS file, I noticed that there's no way to control the appearance of the message "Sorry, no questions for you to answer in this section" that appears if you have conditional questions that don't need to be answered by a certain user.

In my case, the message was appearing in black on a dark green background, making it practically illegible.

Here's my quick fix.  Line 92 of /admin/include/function/survey_render.inc is what displays the message.  I simply added a <P> tag with class "message" to make it read:
     print(_('<p class="message">Sorry, no questions for you to answer in this section.</p>'));
That displays it with the same attributes that the messages at the top of the page have.  You could also make a new class and define CSS specifically for it.

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[phpesp-dev] question: compositing surveys, possible enhancement

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

All,

I am using a bulk uploader to create many surveys.  Surveys cannot be =20
created by hand, as we're talking about many thousands created at a =20
time.  One requirement is that these created surveys should be made =20
from multiple "template" surveys, as directed by the upload.

For example, say there are three surveys in the system called: CORE, =20
ONLINE, ILT.  Then, the administrator uploads data that says:

Survey 1 uses CORE
Survey 2 uses CORE and ILT.
Survey 3 uses CORE and ONLINE.
Survey 4 uses CORE, ONLINE, and ILT.

etc.

When I create these surveys (1 through 4 above), I want to take the =20
question sets for each indicated survey and create from them a new, =20
composite survey.

The way I want to do this is to write a function that takes multiple =20
survey IDs, rams their questions together, then creates a new survey =20
from that aggregation.   I think that would be simple to do, and it =20
could be later used in the UI, if we wanted to support "template" =20
surveys.

But, I have also thought about using conditions, such that there's one =20
template that has all the question on it, then conditions configured =20
at survey creation time determine whether the questions show.  So, =20
imagine there's a survey called "ALL" that has all the questions from =20
CORE, ONLINE, and ILT.  Each one of those question sets would be on =20
its own section.  The "jump" to those questions would be hard-coded =20
into the conditions, based on the direction provided at upload time.

To me, it seems like the conditions way would be harder to implement =20
than the combine method.  Thoughts?

bishop

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Re: [phpesp-dev] true or false: responses can be recovered if the survey is blown away?

[Bishop B. <ph...@id...>]

>> [snip]
>>
> If you remember the survey ID then yeah you could, but why?

I'm writing a bulk uploader, so the admin can load their many =20
thousands of surveys (per time period), and I'm considering data =20
consistency repercussions if I do something like DELETE FROM survey =20
WHERE realm =3D 'foo'.

The bulk uploader has a hard requirement to not touch response data, =20
so I wondered if I performed that delete if the data would still be =20
recoverable.  I didn't know if you needed the survey to know the =20
question structure to get the responses back.

But, it really shouldn't be an issue, because I should only delete =20
surveys that are not activated or done -- those are guaranteed to not =20
have any responses.


>> Can you get the responses made for response ids 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10?
>> If so, is there a convenient function to get those responses as an
>> array/object?
>>
> It's been so long, I would need to look over the code, but if a function
> exists, it should be easy to find.

Okay, I'll dig.  My client wants all kinds of roll-up reports, so one =20
convenient function would be nice.  I've not seen a single =20
phpESP-native object, so I'm guessing that's out. :)


Thanks!
bishop

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Re: [phpesp-dev] true or false: responses can be recovered if the survey is blown away?

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On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 20:16 -0500, Bishop Bettini wrote:
> All,
> 
> I have a question about the phpESP underlying design: if you delete a  
> survey to which a response points, can you still recover the answers  
> given in the response?  For example, say you have this:
> 
> mysql> select id,survey_id,complete from response;
> +----+-----------+----------+
> | id | survey_id | complete |
> +----+-----------+----------+
> |  7 |        18 | Y        |
> |  6 |        18 | Y        |
> |  8 |        18 | Y        |
> |  9 |        18 | Y        |
> | 10 |        18 | Y        |
> | 11 |        17 | N        |
> | 13 |        20 | N        |
> | 14 |        21 | Y        |
> +----+-----------+----------+
> 
> and then you do this:
> delete from survey where id=18
> 
If you remember the survey ID then yeah you could, but why?
> 
> Can you get the responses made for response ids 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10?   
> If so, is there a convenient function to get those responses as an  
> array/object?
> 
It's been so long, I would need to look over the code, but if a function
exists, it should be easy to find.

> Thanks!
> bishop
>