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From: Gros B. <gro...@ho...> - 2008-03-15 02:48:53
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Okay i've looked inside the source files and found how it works. It's okay now, everything has been translated to french and seems to run smoothly (but I'll do all the tests before releasing it). I'm going to add some code now and correct some bugs I encountered, Ill send it to this mailing list as soon as it is finished. _________________________________________________________________ Comme 9 millions de français, créez un compte Hotmail ! http://www.windowslive.fr/hotmail/default.asp |
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From: Gros B. <gro...@ho...> - 2008-03-14 08:07:23
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Hi, First thank you for this great program. I know it from some times now, but I couldn't use it. English is not a problem for me, but for my customers and friends it is. So now that I have a little spare time I decided to translate it in my language (french) and correct the bugs I'll encounter. So I retranslated from ground since I saw that there was a bug in the old one. I'm pretty sure my new version won't have any problem. In fact the translator of the old french file made the mistake of translating the "Subject:" keyword, while it is a special header for mails that you must NOT translate. I translated the whole CHM help file too, licence included. I don't have compiled it yet because I don't had the time to look for the program you used, but I think it is Html Help Workshop by Microsoft. But now I would like to test my translation, and I've found absolutely nowhere how to do that (and I'm wondering how the network version can be used then if translation can't be choosen). I've crawled all the txt files and old mailing list, no information about this subject. And I need it. Because I want my translation to be perfect, and I want to update the screenshot in the help file with translated ones. I wait for your answer, and hope to be able to use this program in my language soon :-) _________________________________________________________________ Votre contact a choisi Hotmail, l'e-mail nouvelle génération. Créez un compte. http://www.windowslive.fr/hotmail/default.asp |
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From: Russell P. <ru...@ph...> - 2007-04-11 17:42:59
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I haven't received any updated translations for Panic Button v2.5 yet. I'm intending to release it soon, so I'm going to set a deadline for receipt of translations of 30th April. I'll be releasing v2.5 as soon after 30th April as I can. Russ |
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From: Russell P. <ru...@ph...> - 2007-03-30 13:51:50
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I have just updated the .pot file for version 2.5 (attached). This will be the last update, so please check your translations and update them where required. Also, the French translation appears to be causing a bug, so I shall remove it in version 2.5 unless I get a new version. Version 2.5 beta 2 files will be uploaded to SourceForge.net shortly. Russ |
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From: Russell P. <ru...@ph...> - 2007-03-12 21:03:32
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Translators, Version 2.5 introduces some new strings, so I've attached an updated .pot file. Please get your updated .po/.mo files to me ASAP. A beta of version 2.5 is available for download - the only changes to this will be bug-fixes, so if your L10N files work with the beta, they will work with the final version. Russ |
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From: Russell P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-11-29 21:35:31
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On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 13:06 +0000, António Rainho wrote: > Hello, > > Well, it’s a bit "strange" to have a tooltip in English in the middle of a > translated screen… But you’ll see what you think is best. The tooltips have been removed for now. I'd like to put them back once I work out how to localise them, but for now, I've just removed them. > Note that the three first lines of the Configuration screen ( “Adress to > send e-mails to:", "Name …", “E-mail adress …” ) don’t appear translated > although they are translated in the .po file. That's because the Panic_Button.pot file changed. I re-worded those labels slightly to make them more understandable. This was done some time ago, but I've just updated it to make sure it's completely up to date. You need to get the latest version of Panic_Button.pot, either via CVS, or downloaded via the web CVS browser [1]. Once you have it, you need to update your catalogue. To do this in poEdit, do the following: 1. Load the .po file 2. Go to Catalog -> Update from POT file... 3. Select the Panic_Button.pot file 4. poEdit will show you which strings have been added & removed. Click OK 5. Make any required updates & save Russ [1] http://panicbutton.cvs.sourceforge.net/panicbutton/panicbutton/Panic_Button.pot?view=log |
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From: <ar...@r2...> - 2006-11-25 13:06:26
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Hello, Well, it=92s a bit "strange" to have a tooltip in English in the middle = of a translated screen=85 But you=92ll see what you think is best. Note that the three first lines of the Configuration screen ( =93Adress = to send e-mails to:", "Name =85", =93E-mail adress =85=94 ) don=92t appear = translated although they are translated in the .po file. I join the .po and .mo files corresponding to the portuguese version . Best regards, Ant=F3nio Rainho=20 |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-11-25 10:58:08
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On 24/11/06, Ant=F3nio Rainho <ar...@r2...> wrote: > Hello Russ, > > So you won't be able to solve the problem with the tooltips remaining in > English and not being translated, as I mentioned in my previous message ? Unfortunately not - the best I can do at the moment is to remove the tooltips. I'm not sure whether that would be better or not. This appears to be an issue with wxPython, but I've been unable to work out a way around it. Russ |
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From: <ar...@r2...> - 2006-11-24 20:50:46
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Hello Russ, So you won't be able to solve the problem with the tooltips remaining in English and not being translated, as I mentioned in my previous message = ? Best regards, Ant=F3nio Rainho=20 |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-11-24 15:57:30
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Translators, I've not found any issues with 2.4 beta 3, so I'm looking to release version 2.4 as soon as I can. Please get your .po and .mo files to me for inclusion as soon as you can, and before Friday 8th December at the latest. Russ PS: The following is from António Rainho, and describes how he worked around a problem. It may be of use to others, but I don't know how to properly fix his problem. Also, please ensure that any replies go to the list, not just to me. You may have to use the "Reply all" function in your e-mail client. ------ I had another problem : at first the accented letters, although correctly written in POEDIT, appeared with some strange letters as you can see in Print Screen “PanicButton_portuguese” attached. Then I understood that to get the right letters in the screen I had to change the charset in the Catalog POEDIT settings from utf-8 to iso8859-1 and then the accented letters begun to appear correctly. The problem seems to be solved but, after that, when I try to load the pt_PT catalog file again, I get an error “Failed to convert file contents to Unicode” and it’s impossible to edit it. Of course I can always have a source catalog in utf-8 and only change to iso8859-1 to get the compiled .mo file, but do you know of any solution to this problem ? |
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From: SourceForge.net <ava...@us...> - 2006-11-10 16:06:25
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Beta 3 of v2.4 is now available. I've tried every translation, and they all seem to load OK. There have been changes to some text on the setup screen since some of the translations were written, so please pay particular attention to the setup screen and translate any strings that are in English. Files are available from SourceForge.net [1], and please ensure you have the latest PanicButton.pot file [2] Russ [1] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=132470 [2] http://panicbutton.cvs.sourceforge.net/panicbutton/panicbutton/Panic_Button.pot?view=log |
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From: SourceForge.net <ava...@us...> - 2006-11-10 16:06:16
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Hi, I've fixed the bug that meant that translations with non-ASCII characters couldn't be loaded. It turned out to be a simple fix, but only worked after I'd upgraded my Python installation to 2.5 I'm now working through bugs caused by upgrading to Python 2.5 & wxPython 2.7. Once I've done that, I'll be uploading a new beta for people to test. Russ |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-11-06 22:13:52
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I've been looking into the problem that people have when trying to use localised versions of Panic Button. It appears to be caused by using non-ASCII characters in the localised .po file, and as far as I can tell, is a bug in Python's gettext implementation. I'm upgrading to Python 2.5, but I don't know fi this will fix it or not. If not, I'll be filing a bug. I wanted to ask if it was possible/feasible to use only ASCII characters in localisations? I know next to nothing about foreign languages, so I have no idea whether or not it is feasible to replace, for instance, an e-acute with an e. Is this feasible, or will it render the translations entirely unusable? Russ |
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From: <ar...@r2...> - 2006-10-15 16:31:35
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Hello: =20 I tried to test the 2.4 beta version with the .mo and .po files that = contain the portuguese translation I've made, but I get this error: =20 Traceback (most recent call last): File "PanicButton.py", line 36, in ? File "gettext.pyc", line 177, in __init__ File "gettext.pyc", line 274, in _parse struct.error: unpack str size does not match format =20 Than I got the original GB file and I tried again but after 6 or 7 = messages translated I get the same error. =20 Another problem is that some accented letters don't appear correctly ( = for example : =E7 ou =E1 ) should I make any special configuration in the = poedit program ? =20 Thanks for any help . =20 Best Regards, =20 Ant=F3nio Rainho =20 [ ar...@r2... ] |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-10-04 03:44:24
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I've just released beta 2 of version 2.4. This will be the final beta before version 2.4, so please test it, especially with the localisations. French, German and Norwegian localisations are included in the build. There have been some changes to the .pot file, so I would be grateful if people could send me updated .po and .mo files for inclusion in v2.4 Russ |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-09-18 21:49:10
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On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 18:29 +0200, Gerard Jensen wrote: > Hi, > > as the translation is progressing, I'm ironing out a couple of issues > myself that I found in Version 2.3 - with translation efforts in mind, I > would suggest to also add the formatting to the list of translatable > strings: > > %d.%m%.%Y %H:%M:%S > > gives me a "European" type of time formatting (DD.MM.YYYY HH:MM:SS), > which should be pretty "standard" for most languages, and whoever needs > a different date form could then use the Python formating as used by > strftime anyway. I was hoping that %c would work, since according to the manual it returns "Locale's appropriate date and time representation.", but when I tried it I got the date in American format (ie MM/DD/YYYY). I think for the time being I'm going to stick with asctime, which unfortunately ignores locale settings, but because it returns a date with the month name, it should at least make sense to everyone. Russ |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-09-18 21:36:58
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I've just committed a revised PanicButton.pot file to CVS [1], along with some other changes. I've also released a first beta of version 2.4. My plan is to have no GUI changes in 2.4, so this beta can be used to get screen shots for localised help files. And, since it adds code to use a localised help file if one is present, it can also be used for testing them ;-) My main aim now is to spend some time with Inno Setup and to work out the best way to localise the installer. I'd like to get a version with full i18n support released as soon as possible. Once I've got l10n support in the installer, then I'll be looking at getting translations and releasing. Russ [1] http://tinyurl.com/mwzvw |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-09-08 08:54:11
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On 08/09/06, Gerard Jensen <ger...@a2...> wrote: > Hi Russ, > > only got around checking my email today (talk about a *really* busy > schedule these days... ;-)) > > > My thinking for l10n files is to put them all in a "locale" directory > > (this includes gettext .mo files, localised help files, etc). My plan is > > that the program will first look for a file that exactly matches the > > locale returned by the above code. If such a file does not exist, then > > it will look for a file that matches the first part (en in this case), > > since that will probably be "good enough", if not ideal. > > I think that's a pretty good way of getting around the problem of > possibly having to provide multiple language versions (en_US, en_GB for > example) - but I think an even easier way would be to define English (in > your case obviously en_GB) as the "default" on which to fall back if no > other match can be found. > > After all, the installer probably supports more languages on > installation than PanicButton will support for quite some time, so if > someone chooses "Simplified Chinese" just for the fun of it, he should > still get something usable installed ;-) > > The same should apply if the .mo file can be found for a certain > language, but the .chm file can't: in that case fall back on the English > original. Translating the entire help file may after all seem a bit > daunting to some - so here you could provide a translation in two stages > then: first just the .po file, then some time later the helpfiles... I agree entirely. I had intended to say that in my original post, but obviously forgot :-) We need to choose a language to be the default language to use if the local language isn't available, and English seems a good choice, for two reasons: 1. The original, definitive, version is English - everything else is a derivative 2. Many people across the world speak English. I *think* it's the widest-known language, so there's a good chance that the user will be able to understand the messages, even if English is not their default language. > > The thing is, my knowledge of languages other than English is > > non-existant. I'm pretty sure that this would be fine in the > > English-speaking world, but I don't know about anywhere else. I imagine > > there are German and Austrian variants of German. Are they close enough > > that a speaker of one would have no difficulty if presented with an > > interface in the other language? > > Apart from minor spelling differences there may be the one or other > grammar difference too (especially now that Germany has chosen to work > with the NEW! IMPROVED! MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCKS! kind of spelling), but > I'd assume that someone from Austria or Switzerland will still be quite > content to use the "normal" German - even more so, if the choice of > alternatives is rather limited (Swiss users may also prefer a French or > Italian version after all). > > And if they're not content with it - well, what a good motivation for > them to start a new localisation run, don't you think? ;-) We can hope ;-) Russ |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-09-05 21:57:15
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I've just compiled a first beta of version 2.4, with some limited localisation support. Because it's only likely to be of use to people on this list, I've put it on my personal web space: http://www.phillipsuk.org/tmp/PanicButton_2-4_BETA-1.zip MD5 sum is fa0dac4181520d081cedf2fccacbac9c PanicButton_2-4_BETA-1.zip A few notes on this: This is the "network" version - there's no installer. Note that if you don't start it with any parameters, the only way to kill it is through Task Manager. If you create a batch file with the line: PanicButton.exe config exit and run the batch file, you'll have Setup and Exit options enabled. In the zip file is a file named "out.mo" - this is the gettext binary. If you compile [1] your translation, name it out.mo and replace the existing out.mo with yours, you should find that all the strings are in your local language. Russ [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_8.html#SEC118 |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-09-05 19:11:50
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I've done a little bit of experimenting with gettext on Windows. The following couple of lines of code return a country and region code: s = locale.getdefaultlocale () print s[0] With the regional settings set to English (UK), this returns en_GB. With them set to English (US), it returns en_US. This all seems entirely logical ;-) My thinking for l10n files is to put them all in a "locale" directory (this includes gettext .mo files, localised help files, etc). My plan is that the program will first look for a file that exactly matches the locale returned by the above code. If such a file does not exist, then it will look for a file that matches the first part (en in this case), since that will probably be "good enough", if not ideal. An example may help to illustrate this. Suppose we have an en_GB.mo file (containing strings used in the application) and a en_GB.chm file (help file). These contain text in British English. If a user in the US were to use Panic Button, and there were no en_US.mo and en_US.chm files, then Panic Button would fall back to using en_GB.mo and en_GB.chm. This isn't ideal, since Americans spell various things slightly differently (I can't think of a relevant example, but "colour" in English is "color" in American). The spellings should be close enough that the user will be able to use the program without difficulty. The thing is, my knowledge of languages other than English is non-existant. I'm pretty sure that this would be fine in the English-speaking world, but I don't know about anywhere else. I imagine there are German and Austrian variants of German. Are they close enough that a speaker of one would have no difficulty if presented with an interface in the other language? Russ |
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From: Gerard J. <ger...@a2...> - 2006-09-04 06:44:38
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Hi Russ, I certainly don't mind being listed there ;-) Perhaps you could list me with my name and web URL there (that it is my own company's website should be obvious once you click on it anyway): Gerard Jensen, Hamburg, Germany, http://www.a2b-consulting.com/ Spam on my EMail-Address is a given factor anyway - and gives the spam filter in my Thunderbird something to train on :-)) Oh, nosy me, but: any rough estimates on the beta for 2.4 yet? Kind regards Gerard |
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From: Russ P. <ru...@ph...> - 2006-09-03 10:03:29
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Now that I have other people helping me with Panic Button, I thought I should give you some credit :-) I have therefore added a CREDITS.txt file to CVS [1]. This file will be included in every distribution, and the contents will be added to the help file, as an extra page. The intention is that this will list everyone that has contributed in some way. However, I don't want to add names without permission, so it currently only has Justin Masters. If you would like to be included, please let me know how you would like to be listed. There are no hard and fast rules, but I'm looking at a single line. I don't mind including web site URLs or e-mail addresses, but bear in mind that spam robots will almost certainly find any e-mail addresses that are included. Russ [1] http://tinyurl.com/qr4hh |
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From: Gerard J. <ger...@a2...> - 2006-08-23 18:59:21
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Hi, Despite this being an English language list, let me quickly advise the=20 German speaking "snoopers" here that I have created a feedback poll=20 regarding the German translation of Panic Button. Ich habe unter http://www.a2b-consulting.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_pollxt&task=3Dvoting= &pollid=3D6&Itemid=3D30 eine Feedback-Umfrage f=FCr Deutsche Benutzer von Panic Button gestartet,= =20 und w=FCrde mich =FCber entsprechende Beteiligung freuen - auch um zu seh= en,=20 ob denn "sonst noch wer" daran Interesse hat :-) Kind regards Gerard --=20 From a2b Consulting GmbH Gerard Jensen R=F6dingsmarkt 39 mailto:ger...@a2... 20459 Hamburg http://www.a2b-consulting.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tel: 040-657934-60 Fax: 040-657934-62 Handy: 0160-8050313 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Gerard J. <ger...@a2...> - 2006-08-17 23:19:33
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Hi Russ, I have just uploaded the preliminary files of my translated version of=20 Panic Button 2.3 to my fileserver: http://www.a2b-consulting.com/panicbutton/downloads/Panic_Button_de_2-3.e= xe http://www.a2b-consulting.com/panicbutton/downloads/Panic_Button_de_2-3.z= ip http://www.a2b-consulting.com/panicbutton/downloads/Panic_Button_de_2-3_s= rc.zip I hope the above links don't get mangled too much, otherwise check out http://www.a2b-consulting.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&= id=3D18&Itemid=3D27 I'd appreciate it if you could upload these files to the Sourceforge=20 repository though (as soon as that's done I'd change the links on my=20 site too), as that's probably the better place to keep them - my traffic=20 quota at Strato obviously can't compete with that of Sourceforge ;-) As mentioned, it's a preliminary release - I invite comments on all the=20 changes I have made, starting from a slightly re-designed helpfile=20 (different css file, screenshots from an XP system, as I regard that to=20 be pretty much commonplace these days, added (yet really, really small)=20 index, modified the javascript) over to a couple of changes in the=20 sources itself (different time format). Whoever downloads and uses that version should keep in mind that it's=20 actually a "breakout" version: the installer currently only supports=20 German (I have included translated InfoBefore.de.txt and=20 InfoAfter.de.txt files as well as a slightly modified gpl.de.txt - at a=20 later point we still have to pick up on that point of providing a=20 directory structure that caters for different languages, essentially=20 allowing for a single installer one day to support multiple languages)=20 and I'm not quite sure if I've really included all the files required=20 (it just happens to work when I use it on my machine - no warranty that=20 it works on any other). However: we now have the first "internationalised" version of Panic=20 Button. Time to start a bit of marketing of that thingy in Germany, I=20 guess ;-)) Talking about which, I've also created a forum on my website for the=20 discussion of German translation issues, so as not to clutter the=20 official Panic Button bug report area for this "inofficial" German 2.3=20 version: http://www.a2b-consulting.com/index.php?option=3Dcom_joomlaboard&Itemid=3D= 28 (yes, obviously all in German over there... after all, that's probably=20 the language most folks speak that stumble accross problems with the=20 German translation ;-)) Kind regards Gerard --=20 From a2b Consulting GmbH Gerard Jensen R=F6dingsmarkt 39 mailto:ger...@a2... 20459 Hamburg http://www.a2b-consulting.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tel: 040-657934-60 Fax: 040-657934-62 Handy: 0160-8050313 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: Gerard J. <ger...@a2...> - 2006-08-16 17:38:29
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Hi, as mentioned, the update of the helpfile now contains screenshots in=20 German too - from the preliminary translation of the 2.3 version. I'll still have to do some cleanup on the files in my development folder=20 and will then make available the source code for the helpfiles as well=20 as a translated version of Panic Button 2.3 as soon as possible. More information will be made available under=20 http://www.a2b-consulting.com/ under the heading "Open Source=20 Aktivit=E4ten" (obviously all in German). Und weil das sicher auch einige Deutschsprachige Benutzer interessiert,=20 hier noch einmal Obiges auf Deutsch: wie schon erw=E4hnt enth=E4lt die neue Version der Hilfedatei auch=20 Bildschirmfotos in Deutsch - von der vorl=E4ufig =FCbersetzten Version 2.= 3. Ich mu=DF noch ein wenig in den Dateien meines Entwicklungs-Ordners=20 aufr=E4umen, werde dann aber auch die Quelltexte f=FCr die Hilfedateien=20 zusammen mit der =FCbersetzten Version von Panic Button 2.3=20 schnellstm=F6glich zug=E4nglich machen. Weitere Infos gibt's dann unter http://www.a2b-consulting.com/ im=20 Bereich "Open Source Aktivit=E4ten". Kind regards Gerard --=20 From a2b Consulting GmbH Gerard Jensen R=F6dingsmarkt 39 mailto:ger...@a2... 20459 Hamburg http://www.a2b-consulting.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tel: 040-657934-60 Fax: 040-657934-62 Handy: 0160-8050313 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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