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From: David G. <dav...@gm...> - 2014-08-20 06:02:29
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Ok, there seems to be a consensus that that it is a bug and that consults should use the ohip_no instead of the billing_no. Anyone who is currently using the consultation_fax_enabled=true option most likely has the ohip_no and billing_no equal, and so isn't noticing the bug. Dave On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Herb Chang <h88...@gm...> wrote: > I agree with you David. > > In BC we want the OHIP_No (i.e. BC MSP #) to show and not the Billing > number which may or may not be the same as the OHIP/MSP number. > > It would seem to be a bug. > > Regards, > > Herb. > > > On 19 August 2014 20:50, John Yap <joh...@sh...> wrote: > >> In BC, we use the OHIP_No tag to show our MSP (BC’s OHIP) #. This is the >> also the referral number for specialists. But I do have a different >> billing number, because of my incorporation. Not sure why that had to be, >> but I had no say in the matter. So when my remittances get sent/received, >> they reference that billing number. But for most everything else, it’s the >> OHIP_No. Then…. there is the college number. Which for some reason our >> Provincial Drug plan, Pharmanet, insists we use. It’s in the Rx letterhead >> too, and also titled CPSO, but none of the pharmacists here seem to mind or >> notice. Heck, sometimes I wonder if they read my instructions for repeats!! >> >> JohnY >> >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Peter Hutten-Czapski <ph...@SR...> wrote: >> >> If you are asking me, the change is fine as it would be consistent and it >> would be the number that is used in Ontario (and BC?) by specialists to >> indicate the referring source. However there may have been a reason to set >> it up as it is currently that I am unaware of. >> >> ================ >> Peter Hutten-Czapski >> Haileybury Ontario >> >> "The attitude that ‘if rural people want these services they’ll have to >> come to the city to get them’ is simply not acceptable…” (Newbery, 1999) >> >> Before printing, think about the environment. Avant d' imprimer, pensez à >> l'environnement. >> >> >> On 19 August 2014 14:08, David Grant <dav...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> I have no idea about signatures...but not a bad idea. Except that we >>> don't want the value stored in the billing_no column to be displayed at >>> all. It is for another doctor, not the doctor doing the referral. >>> >>> What is your thought on changing billing_no to ohip_no on the bottom of >>> consults next to the doctor's name on consults? Would this be wrong in some >>> setups? >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Peter Hutten-Czapski <ph...@sr...> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> probably a bug >>>> one work around is to put the number you want into the doctors >>>> "signature" >>>> >>>> ================ >>>> Peter Hutten-Czapski >>>> Haileybury Ontario >>>> >>>> "The attitude that ‘if rural people want these services they’ll have to >>>> come to the city to get them’ is simply not acceptable…” (Newbery, 1999) >>>> >>>> Before printing, think about the environment. Avant d' imprimer, pensez >>>> à l'environnement. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 August 2014 12:59, David Grant <dav...@gm...> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> The OSP told me about some more bugs and these are ones that are not >>>>> fixed. There are two "print-to-single-pdf" options, as I mentioned in my >>>>> original post. I've since tried the second one (consultation_fax_enabled=true) >>>>> and this one seems to have fewer problems. Just one problem in fact: it >>>>> shows the doctor's "billing_no" at the bottom of a consult instead of the >>>>> "ohip_no". In my wife's practice they need it to show the "ohip_no". >>>>> >>>>> SELECT last_name, first_name, ohip_no, billing_no >>>>> FROM provider >>>>> WHERE provider_type = 'doctor'; >>>>> >>>>> My understanding is that ohip_no is their doctor id (same as college >>>>> id? I dunno) and that's what needs to be there. The billing_no is for >>>>> billing, it may be the same, or it may be different than ohip_no if they >>>>> are billing under another doctor (ie. a locum where all billing goes to the >>>>> doctor they are locuming for, not the locum). >>>>> >>>>> So basically I want to go in and fix this. But I need to understand >>>>> more about this. I can't just change it from billing_no to ohip_no in case >>>>> some doctors actually need it to show billing_no. Why is it currently >>>>> putting the billing_no instead of the ohip_no? Do some doctor's actually >>>>> want it to show the billing_no *when billing_no and ohip_no differ*? >>>>> Is it a bug? >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:06 PM, John Yap <joh...@sh...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Agree - that’s exactly what my OSP came up with. He’s not willing to >>>>>> make us guinea pigs with our live data until all the bugs are exterminated. >>>>>> Why fix one problem and create two more in the process! >>>>>> >>>>>> JohnY >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 18, 2014, at 10:29 AM, David Grant <dav...@gm...> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> We've talked to the OSP and they pointed out a bug in the print to >>>>>> single PDF thing, which I told them was fixed in March. So it looks like >>>>>> they'll have to upgrade to a more recent version of 12_1 in order to use >>>>>> this, as the bug is pretty bad. It makes the consult show "1:00AM 1-1-2014" >>>>>> as the apointment time even if there is no apointment set. Anyways, that's >>>>>> where we are at right now. Let me know how it goes with testing this >>>>>> feature. I recommend using the latest 12_1 release you can get. The last >>>>>> bugs were fixed in March, and there were several other bug fixes before >>>>>> then as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:02 PM, John Yap <joh...@sh...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> David, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hope this works for me. Will get my OSP to try it on a test server >>>>>>> first. Do you have any “live data” you could try this on, for a real >>>>>>> consult??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JohnY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:19 PM, David Grant <dav...@gm...> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have Oscar 12_1 branch running, and I enabled CONSULT_PRINT_PDF. I >>>>>>> created an HL7 lab manually, added an eDoc, created a fake consult, >>>>>>> attached both the eDoc and the lab to the consult, and when I click Print >>>>>>> Preview I get a single PDF with the consult + eDoc + lab in it. I'm not >>>>>>> sure why you aren't getting the same thing. What version is your test >>>>>>> server running? I tried the latest code first but creating an HL7 lab >>>>>>> manually didn't quite work completely, so I didn't get as far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And the reason you are getting the preview screen (which is quite >>>>>>> nice) when you click "attach docs" is because you have >>>>>>> "consultation_indivica_attachment_enabled" set to true. That has nothing to >>>>>>> do with CONSULT_PRINT_PDF. I've tried with an without this dialog and I >>>>>>> still get a nice combined PDF either way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Check for any errors in your log after clicking Print Preview. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Khai Phan <dr....@gm...> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course I attached labs. That is the very thing that is that >>>>>>>> we're testing here about the consult module. The screenshot from my post >>>>>>>> showed an INR attached to that consult request which didn't show up in the >>>>>>>> 'Print Preview' PDF, only the consult request and PDF document. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Khai >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 05-08-2014, at 10:01 AM, David Grant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to the code, it looks to me like you should be able to >>>>>>>> just click "Print Preview" or "Submit consultation & Print Preview" and it >>>>>>>> will generate a PDF including any attached labs and other PDF docs (it >>>>>>>> doesn't do non-PDF docs) and the browser will present you with a download >>>>>>>> dialog for the newly created PDF. So that's not what you are getting? You >>>>>>>> aren't getting the attached labs? (or did you not attach any?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Khai Phan <dr....@gm...> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David, I tried this (CONSULT_PRINT_PDF option) on my test server >>>>>>>>> and alas, it doesn't work to collate all labs/documents from within the >>>>>>>>> consult module. It does, however, bring up a preview window when you >>>>>>>>> select 'Attach file to consultation'. The preview function seems to work >>>>>>>>> on labs but not documents. This option also brings up an option to select >>>>>>>>> the specialist as a fax recipient at the bottom of the consult page. When >>>>>>>>> you select 'Submit Consultation request & Print Preview' the consult >>>>>>>>> request and the documents ARE collated into a single PDF but not the HL7 >>>>>>>>> labs. See attached screen shots. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was hopeful too about this as I've asked for this function since >>>>>>>>> 2008 when we started with OSCAR and it would speed up the workflow >>>>>>>>> significantly for consult requests. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Developers, is this improved in version 14? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thx, Khai >>>>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2014-08-13 at 8.55.01 AM.png><Screen Shot 2014-08-13 >>>>>>>>> at 8.49.38 AM.png> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 05-08-2014, at 10:32 PM, David Grant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They tried the print to PDF thing briefly but were initially >>>>>>>>> turned off by the fact that they had to print all attachments separately, >>>>>>>>> so I decided to see if there was a better way. I found a post from a while >>>>>>>>> back where Marc Dumontier mentioned the CONSULT_PRINT_PDF option, >>>>>>>>> and someone else also mentioned the consultation_fax_enabled >>>>>>>>> option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:25 PM, John Yap <joh...@sh...> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh please don’t waste the paper! Print to a PDF, and compile the >>>>>>>>>> PDFs!! Easy for Mac users - Preview. Use Adobe Acrobat if you have it. >>>>>>>>>> Apparently CutePDF does it too, which is “free”. I rarely print anything >>>>>>>>>> to paper these days. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JohnY >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2014, at 10:18 PM, David Grant <dav...@gm...> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well that sounds like the situation in my wife's Oscar as well. >>>>>>>>>> They aren't actually faxing, they are printing to paper, but it's the >>>>>>>>>> equivalent workflow. They print the consult, then the attachments, then the >>>>>>>>>> put them together (in one paper bundle) and fax away. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure if you set CONSULT_PRINT_PDF=on|yes|true or >>>>>>>>>> consultation_fax_enabled=on|yes|true you will get something else entirely >>>>>>>>>> when you press the "Print Preview" button on the consult view. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone can try this out please let me know. Otherwise I will >>>>>>>>>> try to get my oscar up and running again after a long hiatus. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:55 PM, John Yap <joh...@sh...> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m running V12.1 and my consult letters provide these options: >>>>>>>>>>> “submit consultation request”, “submit consultation request & print >>>>>>>>>>> preview”, and ghosted out - "submit consultation request & send >>>>>>>>>>> electronicially”. If I open an existing saved consult, I have the >>>>>>>>>>> additional option of “Print Preview”. If I choose Print Preview, I get the >>>>>>>>>>> options of: fax footer, print, print attached, closed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, when I ask for “print”, it prints only the >>>>>>>>>>> consultation. All the attachments need to be accessed through “print >>>>>>>>>>> attached”. While the pdf reports are easily combined into a single file, >>>>>>>>>>> the HL7 labs must be individually printed, and then compiled into a single >>>>>>>>>>> PDF. Then we need to throw all 3 parts (consult, pdf scans, and lab pdfs) >>>>>>>>>>> back into a single file, which I call the “bundle”, and this is faxed away. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would be nice to click a single “print” button and create the >>>>>>>>>>> bundle in one step! I’ve seen it done, but not in my V12.1. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JohnY >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:35 PM, David Grant <dav...@gm...> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry John, which feature exactly are you referring to? 1) and >>>>>>>>>>> 2) above are both committed to the RELEASE_12_1 branch. And both solutions >>>>>>>>>>> seem to attach all attachments including labs in a single PDF. I'll have to >>>>>>>>>>> get an oscar up and running again and check out both options. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:23 PM, John Yap <joh...@sh...> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen this feature, but it’s not part of the trunk….yet. >>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it was created by one of the BC OSP’s, and have seen it in >>>>>>>>>>>> action where print consult creates a pdf with all the attachments, >>>>>>>>>>>> including labs (YES, it’s true!!) in a single PDF. One day, we may all >>>>>>>>>>>> have this…. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> JohnY >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2014, at 12:39 PM, David Grant <dav...@gm...> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Does anyone know the differences between the consults created >>>>>>>>>>>> by: >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > 1) CONSULT_PRINT_PDF option >>>>>>>>>>>> > which uses: >>>>>>>>>>>> src/main/java/oscar/oscarEncounter/oscarConsultationRequest/pageUtil/EctConsultationFormRequestPrintPdf.java >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > 2) consultation_fax_enabled option >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> src/main/java/oscar/oscarEncounter/oscarConsultationRequest/pageUtil/EctConsultationFormRequestPrintAction2.java >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> src/main/java/oscar/oscarEncounter/oscarConsultationRequest/pageUtil/ConsultationPDFCreator.java >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > The one thing I've noticed is that option 2) adds a signature >>>>>>>>>>>> but the my wife says she doesn't need that. Also, I'm not even sure if >>>>>>>>>>>> option 2) can be used in a non-oscar-faxing environment? 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