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From: Emanoil K. <del...@ya...> - 2008-06-07 11:53:37
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Hi Dotan and thanks for the discussion. Good luck with your exams! I'm also buzy with a thesis and it seems to take the hole summer but in general I'm willing to help of course, because I am suffering baadly with this contact/calender mess, thats getting worse and worse. --- Dotan Cohen <dot...@gm...> wrote: > 2008/6/7 Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...>: > >> In my opinion things are getting better with > >> opensync, however, the > >> hardware manufacturers change their sync specs > with > >> every new phone. > > > > That's really the problem. I was thinking if we > can > > force them to post the specs in advance, so that > we > > may cope. At least hear in Europe it could be > done, > > because honestly I feel my rights hurt if I'm > buying a > > phone and have to buy a OS (mostlly bundled to > > hardware) to sync it. > > I also beleive that the manufacturers will > cooperate > > (and why not?) > > Well, we can't force them to do anything. But we > could tell them that > we purchase the products that do what we need them > to. And we need > Linux support. So they are willing and we are willing too :-) It sounds just great and promising. > > >> Hopefully SyncML will solve this. Write to Nokia, > >> Motorola, Siemans, > >> LG, and the other phone manufacturers and let > them > >> know that Linux > >> users want to purchase their phones and sync them > as > >> well. If we don't > >> let them know that we exist, then they will not > help > >> us. > >> > > > > Is there a discussion about a petition or some > kind of > > act. > > There will be soon. I have another two weeks of > exams before I start > working on other projects. If you would like to help > write to hardware > and software manufacturers than let me know, I'll > send more details in > a few weeks. > OK, it's not much time, so I'll wait. > > Or who is doing syncml and who not and why not? I > > think the companies need a regulation, so that if > they > > don't want to follow a standard (because greede) > they > > have to be forced to give the specs what they are > > really doing or provide proprietary driver. > > Cellphone companies in particular are both willing > and wary of > collablorating with their competitors. Bluetooth is > the fruit of > collaboration. > > >> If you cannot find the addresses for the > cellphone > >> manufacturers, then > >> write to me and I will find them for you. I write > to > >> one company > >> (hardware or software) a week requesting Linux > >> support, and you would > >> be surprised at how willing hardware > manufacturers > >> would be to provide > >> support when they see that people want it. > > > > not quite sure if you ironically mean it. > > I am dead serious. I will soon start providing > information for other > to help as well. > > > I have +/- > > experience regarding support. Mostly they say. > Yeah, > > sure it's good to have but linux is not primary > target > > because it's small market and we are planing > support > > in future. > > Exactly! If Linux users write to them then they will > see that the > Linux market is not so small. Furthermore, the Linux > market is > composed of much more technically-inclined people, > who will buy their > gadgets. Exactly! It could save them also time and money I think if they exchange ideas with other developers. Besides if companies like SGI, NVidea, Intel, RealTek, AMD, Palm etc etc support portability of their devices to linux, why shouldn't mobile phone manufacturers not > > > But surprisingly as you say there are more and > more > > that see the potential and really provide help. > > Very much so. > > > Also as I am really thinking to check if I can not > > file a questioning about the legal possibility to > file > > a case in the EU commission for human rights and > for > > competition. I mean if the EU can vote for rights > of > > mice and chicken ... they should be able to push > the > > money makers to give us at least technical specs > > needed to build a sync program in one month or so > > after the phones are out, or even better to > support > > the developers to bring drivers together with > phones. > > I doubt if you can, but it would not hurt to try. > Let us know what you find. What I mean or have in mind is an infrastructure to incorporate manufacturer details by phone model, protocol and may be firmware version or so, because it will be needed to keep in mind some software/hardware bugs. I think we should define a minimum requirements and questions and demand to have them covered and answered by manufacturers. From my point of view it's obvious what we all need: Calender, Contacts (Events), Notes, Todos and files (data). We get them give us the spec, fill up the framework and get it done. And this is exactly what opensync is doing - providing the framework. > > > The 0.22 version is much better than 0.19 but is > > absolutely unusable (at least for me). > > > > The question now is how to sync one way as you do, > > or/and how to sync outlook with kde? > > > > Do you have a suitable howto in mind? > > > > Give me two weeks to finish my exams and I will try > to sync the phone. > It is a Nokia, though. I will post details. > No problem ... as I said I'm a little bit preoccupied but still I've been struggling with this sync problem for more than one year now and since I got involved into the discussion I've seen what the problem really is. So I'l sum up. My short term goal is to find a way to sync somehow the phones with each other and with linux. The "one way" sync seems to be the only possible way, because different phones have different fields. Alternative solution would be to have only one phone model for private and buziness, so fields match. I've heard about symbian phones - they should sync, but a discussion with Pawel and you proved the opposite, so I am thinking what I'll do next to solve my problem in short terms. The discussion was VERY VERY helpful. Thanks! Second goal seems to be to help you as far as I can to get a robust framework for syncable devices. I'll watch out to read more about opensync in future and get a brief overview of the development and so on. This will take also some time. I'm not very skilled in programming C/C++ but can read and understand C/C++ code and write if needed. But we'll figure out later how I can help. Kind regards and thumbs up |
From: Andreas S. <an...@sc...> - 2008-06-07 11:19:56
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Hello everyone, I was trying to find any information for how to run OpenSync as a daemon, or what additional software is required to do so. I'd prefer a client-server model for syncronization: My clients (Nokia E70 and Thunderbird/Sunbird on Ubuntu Hardy synchonize against my own dedicated server on the Internet. That server shall be the data master and shall be the one to be backed up (of course, backup up the clients does not hurt...) I am primarly interested in syncing contacts and calendar information (even one of the two would be a good start...). Email is already handled by Courier-IMAP. Most OpenSync-related information seems to follow the P2P model. Is Client-Server even possible? Can someone point me to a tutorial or identify a suitable daemon to me? My server is running Debian Etch, if that matters. Best regards, Andreas |
From: Dotan C. <dot...@gm...> - 2008-06-07 08:05:50
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2008/6/7 Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...>: >> In my opinion things are getting better with >> opensync, however, the >> hardware manufacturers change their sync specs with >> every new phone. > > That's really the problem. I was thinking if we can > force them to post the specs in advance, so that we > may cope. At least hear in Europe it could be done, > because honestly I feel my rights hurt if I'm buying a > phone and have to buy a OS (mostlly bundled to > hardware) to sync it. > I also beleive that the manufacturers will cooperate > (and why not?) Well, we can't force them to do anything. But we could tell them that we purchase the products that do what we need them to. And we need Linux support. >> Hopefully SyncML will solve this. Write to Nokia, >> Motorola, Siemans, >> LG, and the other phone manufacturers and let them >> know that Linux >> users want to purchase their phones and sync them as >> well. If we don't >> let them know that we exist, then they will not help >> us. >> > > Is there a discussion about a petition or some kind of > act. There will be soon. I have another two weeks of exams before I start working on other projects. If you would like to help write to hardware and software manufacturers than let me know, I'll send more details in a few weeks. > Or who is doing syncml and who not and why not? I > think the companies need a regulation, so that if they > don't want to follow a standard (because greede) they > have to be forced to give the specs what they are > really doing or provide proprietary driver. Cellphone companies in particular are both willing and wary of collablorating with their competitors. Bluetooth is the fruit of collaboration. >> If you cannot find the addresses for the cellphone >> manufacturers, then >> write to me and I will find them for you. I write to >> one company >> (hardware or software) a week requesting Linux >> support, and you would >> be surprised at how willing hardware manufacturers >> would be to provide >> support when they see that people want it. > > not quite sure if you ironically mean it. I am dead serious. I will soon start providing information for other to help as well. > I have +/- > experience regarding support. Mostly they say. Yeah, > sure it's good to have but linux is not primary target > because it's small market and we are planing support > in future. Exactly! If Linux users write to them then they will see that the Linux market is not so small. Furthermore, the Linux market is composed of much more technically-inclined people, who will buy their gadgets. > But surprisingly as you say there are more and more > that see the potential and really provide help. Very much so. > Also as I am really thinking to check if I can not > file a questioning about the legal possibility to file > a case in the EU commission for human rights and for > competition. I mean if the EU can vote for rights of > mice and chicken ... they should be able to push the > money makers to give us at least technical specs > needed to build a sync program in one month or so > after the phones are out, or even better to support > the developers to bring drivers together with phones. I doubt if you can, but it would not hurt to try. Let us know what you find. > The 0.22 version is much better than 0.19 but is > absolutely unusable (at least for me). > > The question now is how to sync one way as you do, > or/and how to sync outlook with kde? > > Do you have a suitable howto in mind? > Give me two weeks to finish my exams and I will try to sync the phone. It is a Nokia, though. I will post details. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? |
From: Emanoil K. <del...@ya...> - 2008-06-06 23:08:25
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Hi, Dotan, thanks for posting, first of all I tried to change the reply style, so I hope it's OK for all of you now, sorry, not my fault. --- Dotan Cohen <dot...@gm...> wrote: > 2008/6/5 Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...>: > > The hole discussion is making me some kind of sad, > because I was used to > > sync without problems with my Palm III and Siemens > S55 few years ago and was > > thinking that things getting better. > > In fact it's a nightmare to get a simple thing > done. > > Hopefully in future it will change > > > > In my opinion things are getting better with > opensync, however, the > hardware manufacturers change their sync specs with > every new phone. That's really the problem. I was thinking if we can force them to post the specs in advance, so that we may cope. At least hear in Europe it could be done, because honestly I feel my rights hurt if I'm buying a phone and have to buy a OS (mostlly bundled to hardware) to sync it. I also beleive that the manufacturers will cooperate (and why not?) > Hopefully SyncML will solve this. Write to Nokia, > Motorola, Siemans, > LG, and the other phone manufacturers and let them > know that Linux > users want to purchase their phones and sync them as > well. If we don't > let them know that we exist, then they will not help > us. > Is there a discussion about a petition or some kind of act. Or who is doing syncml and who not and why not? I think the companies need a regulation, so that if they don't want to follow a standard (because greede) they have to be forced to give the specs what they are really doing or provide proprietary driver. > If you cannot find the addresses for the cellphone > manufacturers, then > write to me and I will find them for you. I write to > one company > (hardware or software) a week requesting Linux > support, and you would > be surprised at how willing hardware manufacturers > would be to provide > support when they see that people want it. not quite sure if you ironically mean it. I have +/- experience regarding support. Mostly they say. Yeah, sure it's good to have but linux is not primary target because it's small market and we are planing support in future. But surprisingly as you say there are more and more that see the potential and really provide help. Also as I am really thinking to check if I can not file a questioning about the legal possibility to file a case in the EU commission for human rights and for competition. I mean if the EU can vote for rights of mice and chicken ... they should be able to push the money makers to give us at least technical specs needed to build a sync program in one month or so after the phones are out, or even better to support the developers to bring drivers together with phones. But enough politics. The 0.22 version is much better than 0.19 but is absolutely unusable (at least for me). The question now is how to sync one way as you do, or/and how to sync outlook with kde? Do you have a suitable howto in mind? thanks in advance and thanks to all regards |
From: Dotan C. <dot...@gm...> - 2008-06-06 10:52:30
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2008/6/5 Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...>: > The hole discussion is making me some kind of sad, because I was used to > sync without problems with my Palm III and Siemens S55 few years ago and was > thinking that things getting better. > In fact it's a nightmare to get a simple thing done. > Hopefully in future it will change > In my opinion things are getting better with opensync, however, the hardware manufacturers change their sync specs with every new phone. Hopefully SyncML will solve this. Write to Nokia, Motorola, Siemans, LG, and the other phone manufacturers and let them know that Linux users want to purchase their phones and sync them as well. If we don't let them know that we exist, then they will not help us. If you cannot find the addresses for the cellphone manufacturers, then write to me and I will find them for you. I write to one company (hardware or software) a week requesting Linux support, and you would be surprised at how willing hardware manufacturers would be to provide support when they see that people want it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? |
From: Michael B. <mic...@cm...> - 2008-06-05 14:40:39
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Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: > Then > > What should be the steps to let opensync sync with akonadi :) I try to discuss this actually with the Akonadi guys on IRC. I will setup a wiki page tomorrow which will include the first ideas. This does not mean that I finally code the stuff but we can use it to organize the efforts. Best regards Michael -- _______________________________________________________________ Michael Bell Humboldt-Universitaet zu Berlin Tel.: +49 (0)30-2093 2482 ZE Computer- und Medienservice Fax: +49 (0)30-2093 2704 Unter den Linden 6 mic...@cm... D-10099 Berlin _______________________________________________________________ X.509 CA Certificates / Wurzelzertifikate https://pki.pca.dfn.de/hu-berlin-ca/cgi-bin/pub/pki?cmd=getStaticPage;name=index;id=2&RA_ID=0 |
From: Luis D. L. Q. <lui...@gm...> - 2008-06-05 14:26:16
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Then What should be the steps to let opensync sync with akonadi :) On Thursday 05 June 2008 06:02:51 Michael Bell wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > 2008/6/5 Michael Bell <mic...@cm...>: > >> The idea is that Akonadi will be a storage back end (cache) for any PIM > >> data incl. the Gnome stuff. So their goals are really ambitious but > >> there will be no usable stuff before the 4.1 release. > > > > That's why it should be relatively easy to work with and create a plugin > > for. > > I'm not really sure about this. An Akonadi slide writes about a > potential OpenSync agent but after reading the agent example I doubt > about the correct API. > > An agent must implement several callbacks and this means we could only > do the following: > > 1. configure OpenSync to use filesync > 2. write an Akonadi plugin which can handle directories of filesync > > If we want to connect OpenSync directly to Akonadi then we must > implement it as a normal Akonadi application which is not so easy like a > resource agent I think. > > Best regards > > Michael |
From: Gustavo <gus...@in...> - 2008-06-05 11:18:14
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From: Michael B. <mic...@cm...> - 2008-06-05 11:02:52
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Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/5 Michael Bell <mic...@cm...>: >> The idea is that Akonadi will be a storage back end (cache) for any PIM data >> incl. the Gnome stuff. So their goals are really ambitious but there will be >> no usable stuff before the 4.1 release. >> > > That's why it should be relatively easy to work with and create a plugin for. I'm not really sure about this. An Akonadi slide writes about a potential OpenSync agent but after reading the agent example I doubt about the correct API. An agent must implement several callbacks and this means we could only do the following: 1. configure OpenSync to use filesync 2. write an Akonadi plugin which can handle directories of filesync If we want to connect OpenSync directly to Akonadi then we must implement it as a normal Akonadi application which is not so easy like a resource agent I think. Best regards Michael -- _______________________________________________________________ Michael Bell Humboldt-Universitaet zu Berlin Tel.: +49 (0)30-2093 2482 ZE Computer- und Medienservice Fax: +49 (0)30-2093 2704 Unter den Linden 6 mic...@cm... D-10099 Berlin _______________________________________________________________ X.509 CA Certificates / Wurzelzertifikate https://pki.pca.dfn.de/hu-berlin-ca/cgi-bin/pub/pki?cmd=getStaticPage;name=index;id=2&RA_ID=0 |
From: Dotan C. <dot...@gm...> - 2008-06-05 10:10:31
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2008/6/5 Michael Bell <mic...@cm...>: > The idea is that Akonadi will be a storage back end (cache) for any PIM data > incl. the Gnome stuff. So their goals are really ambitious but there will be > no usable stuff before the 4.1 release. > That's why it should be relatively easy to work with and create a plugin for. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? |
From: Michael B. <mic...@cm...> - 2008-06-05 09:34:21
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Dotan Cohen wrote: > Most certainly. Shall I check the current status of Akonadi and report > back? Akonadi should be relatively simple to work with, as it is > explicitly designed for interoperability. Daniel and I were at LinuxTag 2008 and we listen to a presentation from Till Adam. The result is simple. If we want to update to KDE PIM 4 the we need a plugin for Akonadi and please don't call it kdexyz. Please call it Akonadi because the developers try to make it a FreeDesktop project. The idea is that Akonadi will be a storage back end (cache) for any PIM data incl. the Gnome stuff. So their goals are really ambitious but there will be no usable stuff before the 4.1 release. Best regards Michael -- _______________________________________________________________ Michael Bell Humboldt-Universitaet zu Berlin Tel.: +49 (0)30-2093 2482 ZE Computer- und Medienservice Fax: +49 (0)30-2093 2704 Unter den Linden 6 mic...@cm... D-10099 Berlin _______________________________________________________________ X.509 CA Certificates / Wurzelzertifikate https://pki.pca.dfn.de/hu-berlin-ca/cgi-bin/pub/pki?cmd=getStaticPage;name=index;id=2&RA_ID=0 |
From: Emanoil K. <del...@ya...> - 2008-06-05 08:37:24
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Hello everybody, hello Graham, thank you for explaining the way you do a one way sync. Everything sounds too complicated and not very reliable. I would prefer the way described by you and Dotan. to push from kde-pim to the phones (I have private and company one). I'll simply need a step by step guide. I also was asking myself how to activate logging and where are the log files for the opensync. Graham Cobb <g+o...@co...> wrote: On Tuesday 03 June 2008 07:11:13 Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/3 Emanoil Kotsev : > > Syncing is (should be) bi-directional, the one way is copy ;-) > > That is true. I have had lots of bad experience with: > 1) Two-way data transfer between unlike database sources. > 2) Telephones' limited data-entry methods. > > So, I prefer to enter data on the desktop and then push it to the > phone as well. The phone can then mangle it all it wants, the real > data is safe in KDE-PIM. When I am without the phone and I must add a > phone number I prepend the name with a dot, so that I know to update > KDE-PIM when I get home. I also tend to use one-way sync to my phone. In my case it is complicated further because I keep the master data on my (employer-provided) laptop in Outlook (and, hence, Exchange) and I only have one-way sync from Exchange into the Opensync environment (from which I propagate the data to kdepim, to my Nokia Internet Tablet and to my phone). The situation I have is more complicated as I'm using linux also on the company notebook, where I use Evolution as an Exchange client but in SuSe. so I need to sync my personal contacts stored in evo somehow with the phone and at home sync the phone with my personal contacts stored in KDE ... and then sync the data with my private mobile .... or sync both phones at work and at home. But even once in the Opensync environment, I only do one-way sync to my phone, because of the problem that the phone only stores a subset of the data. The way I do that (with Opensync 0.2x) is to first sync the phone with an empty file-sync directory, then copy in the data files from Outlook and re-sync. How could I do this in both environments? I mean at work and at home ... push the data to the phone(s)? This means that changes to existing entries on the phone are lost (new entries created on the phone are propagated into the Opensync environment -- I do have an option which deletes all the files before copying in the data for use when I want to clean all the data from the phone). So you first clean the phone and then store the data? I understand right? With Opensync 0.3x I am hoping I won't need to do that any more because Did you try the 0.3 versioin ... to be honest I'm afraid to lose data using dev software. I can backup only one phone in Windows (as I'm using windows in a VMware and only have usb cable for one of the phones) Opensync will know that the phone only stores a subset of data and won't get confused when it is read back. However, it would still be useful to be able to specify one-way (with and without a "remove all the existing data first" option). This sounds promising. I'm looking forward to build a test environment and check the 0.3 version The hole discussion is making me some kind of sad, because I was used to sync without problems with my Palm III and Siemens S55 few years ago and was thinking that things getting better. In fact it's a nightmare to get a simple thing done. Hopefully in future it will change regards |
From: Graham C. <g+o...@co...> - 2008-06-04 22:32:40
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On Tuesday 03 June 2008 07:11:13 Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/3 Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...>: > > Syncing is (should be) bi-directional, the one way is copy ;-) > > That is true. I have had lots of bad experience with: > 1) Two-way data transfer between unlike database sources. > 2) Telephones' limited data-entry methods. > > So, I prefer to enter data on the desktop and then push it to the > phone as well. The phone can then mangle it all it wants, the real > data is safe in KDE-PIM. When I am without the phone and I must add a > phone number I prepend the name with a dot, so that I know to update > KDE-PIM when I get home. I also tend to use one-way sync to my phone. In my case it is complicated further because I keep the master data on my (employer-provided) laptop in Outlook (and, hence, Exchange) and I only have one-way sync from Exchange into the Opensync environment (from which I propagate the data to kdepim, to my Nokia Internet Tablet and to my phone). But even once in the Opensync environment, I only do one-way sync to my phone, because of the problem that the phone only stores a subset of the data. The way I do that (with Opensync 0.2x) is to first sync the phone with an empty file-sync directory, then copy in the data files from Outlook and re-sync. This means that changes to existing entries on the phone are lost (new entries created on the phone are propagated into the Opensync environment -- I do have an option which deletes all the files before copying in the data for use when I want to clean all the data from the phone). With Opensync 0.3x I am hoping I won't need to do that any more because Opensync will know that the phone only stores a subset of data and won't get confused when it is read back. However, it would still be useful to be able to specify one-way (with and without a "remove all the existing data first" option). Then all I will need to do is to make my Exchange sync two-way for a fully integrated environment! Graham |
From: Luis D. L. Q. <lui...@gm...> - 2008-06-04 16:05:45
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I'm using right now 4.0.81 (beta1+) it works good, but I'm missing event sync. Contact sync works very good. LD On Wednesday 04 June 2008 06:09:41 Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/6/3 Marc Deop <gan...@gm...>: > > Should the devs try to make the plugins for the 4.2 release? > > Most certainly. Shall I check the current status of Akonadi and report > back? Akonadi should be relatively simple to work with, as it is > explicitly designed for interoperability. > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר- ש-ת > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It's the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php > _______________________________________________ > Opensync-users mailing list > Ope...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensync-users |
From: Dotan C. <dot...@gm...> - 2008-06-04 11:09:35
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2008/6/3 Marc Deop <gan...@gm...>: > Should the devs try to make the plugins for the 4.2 release? > Most certainly. Shall I check the current status of Akonadi and report back? Akonadi should be relatively simple to work with, as it is explicitly designed for interoperability. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? |
From: Andreas B. <an...@bo...> - 2008-06-04 09:52:38
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Marc Deop wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2008 20:03:33 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: > > I wonder to know if somebody has a kdepim4 plugin for opensync. I've > > just upgraded and I see that events format of kdepim3 and kdepim4 are > > quite differente and then plug fails. > I'm not sure if anyone should spend time building a plugin for kdepim4 as > for now, it is still using the old backend to store data, this is gonna be > this way for not much longer though: they're gonna switch to akonadi for > the 4.2 release. ..actually this is a very good question - I'm really looking forward to the KDE 4.1 release - but if synchronization is broken, I cannot move to 4.x. Would be great to get any information on KDE-PIM 4.x synchronization plans :) Thanks, Andy - -- BOFH excuse #273: The cord jumped over and hit the power switch. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhGZeIACgkQRrny/uOBVy447wCeOqeoERaGGH6zw/f9lPT2zkYE EA8An2WICayosaAWgaieBoBxVOAwEray =n/hj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Pawel K. <paw...@gm...> - 2008-06-04 06:52:51
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Hi, On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...> wrote: > I also don't know what to put as model in the configuration file of gnokii > when trying to use it with SE K750i model = AT port = /dev/ircomm0 (or whatever you have) connection = irda pkot -- Pawel Kot |
From: Emanoil K. <del...@ya...> - 2008-06-04 06:46:23
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Hi, It doesn't matter. They may differ somehow but we work in gnokii project to decrease the differences. Retrieving and writing phonebook for k800i and k550i works for me reliably in gnokii. OK, I'll give it a try. It will take some time though, cause haave to work. "check all the boxes"? Which GUI do you use? I'd suggest start synchronizing just phonebook and when it works, adding next items. And which gnokii version is this? I was talking about multisync-gui - I'm sorry for not mentioning that. I really don't think it matters if the boxes are checked. Everytime it reads all the data from both members. I tried now msynctool - it starts but fails at the end. Where are the log files saved, I could post them. This is what it says: Member 2 of type irmc-sync committed all changes. All clients have written Member 2 of type irmc-sync had an error while calling sync done: Broken Pipe Member 2 of type irmc-sync had an error while disconnecting: Broken Pipe Member 1 of type kdepim-sync just disconnected All clients have disconnected The sync failed: Unable to finish the sync for one of the members Error while synchronizing: Unable to finish the sync for one of the members Are you able to backtrace the core dump file? Looking at gnokii_calendar_write_calnote() I cannot see anything wrong. However, would you be able to apply the patches for gnokii-sync plugin? Additionally -- which distro do you use? No not able to trace, I'm not that experienced though. I use debian testing with the opensync 0.22 added. here is the gnokii version i gnokii 0.6.25.dfsg-1 Datasuite for mobile phone management ii gnokii-cli 0.6.25.dfsg-1 Datasuite for mobile phone management (console interface) ii gnokii-common 0.6.25.dfsg-1 Datasuite for mobile phone management (base files) ii libgnokii3 0.6.25.dfsg-1 Gnokii mobile phone interface library ii libgnokii3-dev 0.6.25.dfsg-1 Gnokii mobile phone interface library (development files) ii libopensync-plugin-gnokii 0.22-3 Gnokii plugin for opensync ii xgnokii 0.6.25.dfsg-1 Datasuite for mobile phone management (X interface) I also don't know what to put as model in the configuration file of gnokii when trying to use it with SE K750i It simply does not start Synchronizing group "Test" The previous synchronization was unclean. Slow-syncing connect: Cannot assign requested address Couldn't open PHONET device: Illegal seek Telephone interface init failed: Command failed. Quitting. Cannot unlock device. Member 2 of type gnokii-sync had an error while connecting: Connection failed Member 1 of type kdepim-sync just connected Member 1 of type kdepim-sync just disconnected All clients have disconnected The sync failed: Unable to connect one of the members /build/mbanck/opensync-0.22/opensync/opensync_hashtable.c:37:E:osync_hashtable_assert_loaded: Hashtable not loaded yet. You have to load the hashtable first using osync_hashtable_load! Error while synchronizing: Unable to connect one of the members thanks |
From: Pawel K. <paw...@gm...> - 2008-06-04 06:12:02
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Hi, On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...> wrote: > I don't think the gnokii plugin will work with the K750i because I compared > the supported AT commands and they are not the same. > I'll try it and report. It is enough for today. It doesn't matter. They may differ somehow but we work in gnokii project to decrease the differences. Retrieving and writing phonebook for k800i and k550i works for me reliably in gnokii. > The only problem I see with the sync with the Nokia phone is that it takes > too long. It says I have 5000!!! entries ... where the * are so many coming > from? Don't know. I would need to see gnokii debug to tell you that. > and the ir speed is about 115000. If I check all the boxes for (Calender, > Contacts etc) to be synced I get finally this error - gnokii committing "check all the boxes"? Which GUI do you use? I'd suggest start synchronizing just phonebook and when it works, adding next items. And which gnokii version is this? > suecide. I'm trying now everything one by one. > If you have more helpful advices please, you are wellcome. > > synchronization worked > *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin: double free or corruption > (!prev): 0x080bb3d0 *** Are you able to backtrace the core dump file? Looking at gnokii_calendar_write_calnote() I cannot see anything wrong. However, would you be able to apply the patches for gnokii-sync plugin? Additionally -- which distro do you use? > ======= Backtrace: ========= > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7ba18f5] > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0xb7ba5360] > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_free+0x31)[0xb7e815b1] > /usr/lib/opensync/plugins/gnokii_sync.so(gnokii_calendar_write_calnote+0x198)[0xb7f63f78] > /usr/lib/opensync/plugins/gnokii_sync.so(gnokii_calendar_commit+0x16c)[0xb7f6497c] > /usr/lib/libopensync.so.0(osync_member_commit_change+0x28e)[0xb7cb070e] > /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin(message_handler+0x4a0)[0x804a280] > /usr/lib/libopensync.so.0[0xb7cbcbb2] > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x178)[0xb7e79978] > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0[0xb7e7cbce] > /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x1e7)[0xb7e7cf57] > /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin(main+0x4af)[0x804ab2f] > /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe0)[0xb7b4c450] > /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin[0x8049ba1] > ======= Memory map: ======== > 08048000-0804c000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 738671 /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin > 0804c000-0804d000 rw-p 00003000 fe:00 738671 /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin > 0804d000-080f6000 rw-p 0804d000 00:00 0 [heap] > b5200000-b5221000 rw-p b5200000 00:00 0 > b5221000-b5300000 ---p b5221000 00:00 0 > b535c000-b5368000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1370904 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b5368000-b5369000 rw-p 0000b000 fe:00 1370904 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 > b5392000-b5393000 ---p b5392000 00:00 0 > b5393000-b5b93000 rw-p b5393000 00:00 0 > b5b93000-b5b94000 ---p b5b93000 00:00 0 > b5b94000-b6394000 rw-p b5b94000 00:00 0 > b6394000-b6395000 ---p b6394000 00:00 0 > b6395000-b6b95000 rw-p b6395000 00:00 0 > b6b95000-b6b96000 ---p b6b95000 00:00 0 > b6b96000-b7396000 rw-p b6b96000 00:00 0 > b7396000-b73c8000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 540709 /usr/lib/libpisock.so.9.0.2 > b73c8000-b73cc000 rw-p 00031000 fe:00 540709 /usr/lib/libpisock.so.9.0.2 > b73cc000-b73d0000 rw-p b73cc000 00:00 0 > b73d0000-b73d8000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 740957 > /usr/lib/opensync/formats/palm.so > b73d8000-b73d9000 rw-p 00007000 fe:00 740957 > /usr/lib/opensync/formats/palm.so > b73d9000-b73da000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 738101 > /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xmldoc.so > b73da000-b73db000 rw-p 00000000 fe:00 738101 > /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xmldoc.so > b73db000-b73e5000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 737958 > /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xml-kde.so > b73e5000-b73e6000 rw-p 00009000 fe:00 737958 > /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xml-kde.so > b73e6000-b73f5000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539708 /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.3.0.15 > b73f5000-b73f6000 rw-p 0000e000 fe:00 539708 /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.3.0.15 > b73f6000-b73f8000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1371296 /lib/libkeyutils-1.2.so > b73f8000-b73f9000 rw-p 00001000 fe:00 1371296 /lib/libkeyutils-1.2.so > b73f9000-b7400000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 545450 > /usr/lib/libkrb5support.so.0.1 > b7400000-b7401000 rw-p 00006000 fe:00 545450 > /usr/lib/libkrb5support.so.0.1 > b7401000-b7474000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539579 > /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26.1.6 > b7474000-b747a000 rw-p 00072000 fe:00 539579 > /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26.1.6 > b747a000-b7490000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539945 /usr/lib/libsasl2.so.2.0.22 > b7490000-b7491000 rw-p 00015000 fe:00 539945 /usr/lib/libsasl2.so.2.0.22 > b7491000-b74a0000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1371201 > /lib/i686/cmov/libresolv-2.7.so > b74a0000-b74a2000 rw-p 0000f000 fe:00 1371201 > /lib/i686/cmov/libresolv-2.7.so > b74a2000-b74a4000 rw-p b74a2000 00:00 0 > b74a4000-b74b0000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539012 > /usr/lib/liblber-2.4.so.2.0.3 > b74b0000-b74b1000 rw-p 0000c000 fe:00 539012 > /usr/lib/liblber-2.4.so.2.0.3 > b74b1000-b74c5000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1371091 > /lib/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.7.so > b74c5000-b74c7000 rw-p 00013000 fe:00 1371091 > /lib/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.7.so > b74c7000-b74c9000 rw-p b74c7000 00:00 0 > b74c9000-b74cc000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 545540 > /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0.3.0 > b74cc000-b74cd000 rw-p 00002000 fe:00 545540 > /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0.3.0 > b74cd000-b7533000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 549356 > /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11.4.4 > b7533000-b7535000 rw-p 00066000 fe:00 549356 /usrKCrash: Application > 'kitchensync' crashing... > Pipe closed! Exiting. > Pipe closed! Exiting. > Pipe closed! Exiting. > Pipe closed! Exiting. > Pipe closed! Exiting. > Pipe closed! Exiting. > > > Thanks and kind regards > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It's the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php > _______________________________________________ > Opensync-users mailing list > Ope...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensync-users > > -- Pawel Kot |
From: Emanoil K. <del...@ya...> - 2008-06-03 22:47:33
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gammu does not use syncml protocol but at protocol. That may be significant difference, but I also suspect some bug. that is the point. The AT commands for the phones are well known. but I am not quite sure right now if the phones I have are syncml capable ... I mean Nokia 6021 and SE K750i. I think I remember that the 6021 is not that's why it works with the gnokii plugin and in gammu with phonet or something like this. > the opensync gnokii plugin seems to work with the nokia phone (I tried to > sync everything at once, but failed, because too much items. Now I'm trying > to sync Notes, Addresses one by one) gnokii plugin should be compatible with any AT compliant phone. If there are problems, please provide the log. Make sure also to use the most recent libgnokii version. Thanks for the advice, I'll keep in mind. I don't think the gnokii plugin will work with the K750i because I compared the supported AT commands and they are not the same. I'll try it and report. It is enough for today. opensync 0.3x is said to be developers branch only. However you may try to test if you are willing to help in development. Well, I've just checked the opensync web page and indeed 0.22 is the last "stable" version. I'm waiting for additional USB-HD where I can install a test envirionment and play. This will take time (month or so), because I'll be pretty buzzy next. Anyway I think with the help of you all I synced at least one of the phones, or at least had some kind of progress today. The only problem I see with the sync with the Nokia phone is that it takes too long. It says I have 5000!!! entries ... where the * are so many coming from? If it is all together (Calender, Contacts etc) it could be really true. :-( and the ir speed is about 115000. If I check all the boxes for (Calender, Contacts etc) to be synced I get finally this error - gnokii committing suecide. I'm trying now everything one by one. If you have more helpful advices please, you are wellcome. synchronization worked *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080bb3d0 *** ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6[0xb7ba18f5] /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(cfree+0x90)[0xb7ba5360] /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_free+0x31)[0xb7e815b1] /usr/lib/opensync/plugins/gnokii_sync.so(gnokii_calendar_write_calnote+0x198)[0xb7f63f78] /usr/lib/opensync/plugins/gnokii_sync.so(gnokii_calendar_commit+0x16c)[0xb7f6497c] /usr/lib/libopensync.so.0(osync_member_commit_change+0x28e)[0xb7cb070e] /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin(message_handler+0x4a0)[0x804a280] /usr/lib/libopensync.so.0[0xb7cbcbb2] /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x178)[0xb7e79978] /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0[0xb7e7cbce] /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x1e7)[0xb7e7cf57] /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin(main+0x4af)[0x804ab2f] /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe0)[0xb7b4c450] /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin[0x8049ba1] ======= Memory map: ======== 08048000-0804c000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 738671 /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin 0804c000-0804d000 rw-p 00003000 fe:00 738671 /usr/lib/opensync/osplugin 0804d000-080f6000 rw-p 0804d000 00:00 0 [heap] b5200000-b5221000 rw-p b5200000 00:00 0 b5221000-b5300000 ---p b5221000 00:00 0 b535c000-b5368000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1370904 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b5368000-b5369000 rw-p 0000b000 fe:00 1370904 /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 b5392000-b5393000 ---p b5392000 00:00 0 b5393000-b5b93000 rw-p b5393000 00:00 0 b5b93000-b5b94000 ---p b5b93000 00:00 0 b5b94000-b6394000 rw-p b5b94000 00:00 0 b6394000-b6395000 ---p b6394000 00:00 0 b6395000-b6b95000 rw-p b6395000 00:00 0 b6b95000-b6b96000 ---p b6b95000 00:00 0 b6b96000-b7396000 rw-p b6b96000 00:00 0 b7396000-b73c8000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 540709 /usr/lib/libpisock.so.9.0.2 b73c8000-b73cc000 rw-p 00031000 fe:00 540709 /usr/lib/libpisock.so.9.0.2 b73cc000-b73d0000 rw-p b73cc000 00:00 0 b73d0000-b73d8000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 740957 /usr/lib/opensync/formats/palm.so b73d8000-b73d9000 rw-p 00007000 fe:00 740957 /usr/lib/opensync/formats/palm.so b73d9000-b73da000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 738101 /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xmldoc.so b73da000-b73db000 rw-p 00000000 fe:00 738101 /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xmldoc.so b73db000-b73e5000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 737958 /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xml-kde.so b73e5000-b73e6000 rw-p 00009000 fe:00 737958 /usr/lib/opensync/formats/xml-kde.so b73e6000-b73f5000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539708 /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.3.0.15 b73f5000-b73f6000 rw-p 0000e000 fe:00 539708 /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.3.0.15 b73f6000-b73f8000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1371296 /lib/libkeyutils-1.2.so b73f8000-b73f9000 rw-p 00001000 fe:00 1371296 /lib/libkeyutils-1.2.so b73f9000-b7400000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 545450 /usr/lib/libkrb5support.so.0.1 b7400000-b7401000 rw-p 00006000 fe:00 545450 /usr/lib/libkrb5support.so.0.1 b7401000-b7474000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539579 /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26.1.6 b7474000-b747a000 rw-p 00072000 fe:00 539579 /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26.1.6 b747a000-b7490000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539945 /usr/lib/libsasl2.so.2.0.22 b7490000-b7491000 rw-p 00015000 fe:00 539945 /usr/lib/libsasl2.so.2.0.22 b7491000-b74a0000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1371201 /lib/i686/cmov/libresolv-2.7.so b74a0000-b74a2000 rw-p 0000f000 fe:00 1371201 /lib/i686/cmov/libresolv-2.7.so b74a2000-b74a4000 rw-p b74a2000 00:00 0 b74a4000-b74b0000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 539012 /usr/lib/liblber-2.4.so.2.0.3 b74b0000-b74b1000 rw-p 0000c000 fe:00 539012 /usr/lib/liblber-2.4.so.2.0.3 b74b1000-b74c5000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 1371091 /lib/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.7.so b74c5000-b74c7000 rw-p 00013000 fe:00 1371091 /lib/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.7.so b74c7000-b74c9000 rw-p b74c7000 00:00 0 b74c9000-b74cc000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 545540 /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0.3.0 b74cc000-b74cd000 rw-p 00002000 fe:00 545540 /usr/lib/libgpg-error.so.0.3.0 b74cd000-b7533000 r-xp 00000000 fe:00 549356 /usr/lib/libgcrypt.so.11.4.4 b7533000-b7535000 rw-p 00066000 fe:00 549356 /usrKCrash: Application 'kitchensync' crashing... Pipe closed! Exiting. Pipe closed! Exiting. Pipe closed! Exiting. Pipe closed! Exiting. Pipe closed! Exiting. Pipe closed! Exiting. Thanks and kind regards |
From: Pawel K. <paw...@gm...> - 2008-06-03 19:14:40
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Hi, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...> wrote: > May be you are right too, but it should work, and I suppose that the > syncml/opensync ir plugin does not work properly, because otherwise I can > connect as I said with w/gammu. gammu does not use syncml protocol but at protocol. That may be significant difference, but I also suspect some bug. > the opensync gnokii plugin seems to work with the nokia phone (I tried to > sync everything at once, but failed, because too much items. Now I'm trying > to sync Notes, Addresses one by one) gnokii plugin should be compatible with any AT compliant phone. If there are problems, please provide the log. Make sure also to use the most recent libgnokii version. > I think I'll remove the opensync 0.22 and try the one from svn, what do you > think? opensync 0.3x is said to be developers branch only. However you may try to test if you are willing to help in development. take care, pkot -- Pawel Kot |
From: Emanoil K. <del...@ya...> - 2008-06-03 19:04:38
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Hi Pawel, thanks for your answer Oh, come on! There's more radiation around you than you can imagine. Small bluetooth dongle won't do any harm. May be you are right, but less is less! > can buy a BT-dongle but WHY should I do this, when in Windows I can sync > over IR. This same thing should be possible with Linux. Indeed. I don't know what are the issues with syncml over irda. I'm just suggesting that IrDA sucks and is very uncomfortable to use. And May be you are right too, but it should work, and I suppose that the syncml/opensync ir plugin does not work properly, because otherwise I can connect as I said with w/gammu. I've been avoiding IrDA (which is also some kind of radiation) since I could. Infrared radiation is somehow useful to humans. > The most embarassing thing is that I can connect over IR with wammu and do > anything I want, but syncml or opensync can not really sync the stuff. You may try gnokii-sync plugin then. The downside is that using AT interface you will be able to access just number information from the phonebook (no address and other contact information). the opensync gnokii plugin seems to work with the nokia phone (I tried to sync everything at once, but failed, because too much items. Now I'm trying to sync Notes, Addresses one by one) I think I'll remove the opensync 0.22 and try the one from svn, what do you think? thanks and kind regards |
From: Pawel K. <paw...@gm...> - 2008-06-03 18:40:26
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Hi, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Emanoil Kotsev <del...@ya...> wrote: > The notebook I have does not have a bluetooth and I don't want BT because > the radiation as well as wireless radiation is not very healthy. I mean I Oh, come on! There's more radiation around you than you can imagine. Small bluetooth dongle won't do any harm. > can buy a BT-dongle but WHY should I do this, when in Windows I can sync > over IR. This same thing should be possible with Linux. Indeed. I don't know what are the issues with syncml over irda. I'm just suggesting that IrDA sucks and is very uncomfortable to use. And I've been avoiding IrDA (which is also some kind of radiation) since I could. > The most embarassing thing is that I can connect over IR with wammu and do > anything I want, but syncml or opensync can not really sync the stuff. You may try gnokii-sync plugin then. The downside is that using AT interface you will be able to access just number information from the phonebook (no address and other contact information). take care, pkot -- Pawel Kot |
From: Marc D. <gan...@gm...> - 2008-06-03 18:40:22
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On Tuesday 03 June 2008 20:03:33 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote: > Helo all syncs, > > I wonder to know if somebody has a kdepim4 plugin for opensync. I've > just upgraded and I see that events format of kdepim3 and kdepim4 are > quite differente and then plug fails. > I'm not sure if anyone should spend time building a plugin for kdepim4 as for now, it is still using the old backend to store data, this is gonna be this way for not much longer though: they're gonna switch to akonadi for the 4.2 release. Should the devs try to make the plugins for the 4.2 release? Damnshock PS: I know I didn't not answer the question, I was just pointing this out ;) |