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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Linux 2.6.31.4

[Ben D. <be...@po...>]

I tried out your latest test kernels. Still no go on the Performa 5200, which I also on my PowerBook 3400. It gets the same results as the 5200. 

Though with the new kernel the 5200 say something like:
MMU: Set BAT for Nubus on Performa
instead of saying:
MMU: Set BAT for PowerBook / Performa

Still, both the 3400 and 5200 freeze on "MMU:exit" I've tried the 'video=offb:ofonly' and it didn't make any difference. I'll try the 'video=valkyriefb' next.

Oh yeah, and on my PowerBook 5300, I did have a drive specified. (/dev/ram) But nothing was there so that's why it got the kernel panic.


If only I knew more on programming... Still, I would like to figure out how to use git and download the source code. 

Thanks for all your hard work.
Hope my testing has helped somehow.

Ben.

> To: nub...@li...
> From: tob...@go...
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:05:35 +0200
> Subject: [Nubus-pmac-users] Linux 2.6.31.4
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just updated the test kernel images and added a tarball including  
> some modules.
> The kernel should now be able to boot from hard drive as well as from  
> ramdisks - on PowerBooks at least.
> 
> I also found an error relating the Performa support - it might at  
> least get to print something on the screen (you should try  
> 'video=offb:ofonly' as well as 'video=valkyriefb').
> 
> Now the interrupt handling on PBs is much more stable as well as  
> faster - at least on my PB 1400. There's also serial port support now  
> - even serial console should work. And NuBus devices (internal  
> ethernet cards mainly) are supported now - my Focus EtherLAN 1400 is  
> working.
> 
> On my PB 1400 there's now Debian Lenny (Xfce + Lxde edition)  
> installed and in my opinion it's working better than Woody or Sarge  
> with 2.4 kernels. Even the Xfce desktop is usable - and I've also  
> been able to use iceweasel with acceptable performance. The x.org  
> server sadly failed to autoconfigure and even crashes in the attempt  
> to do so. I had to add the line:
> 	Driver		"fbdev"
> to section "Device" manually after running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver- 
> xorg".
> I still get shutdowns (PMU cuts off the power) occasionally.
> 
> If you'd like to install the modules extract them to "/" and run  
> depmod after that. I didn't build netfilter modules because they fail  
> to do so on my HFS+ partition.
> 
> Please try that kernel images if you wish and report your results!
> And well - I could need some support in programming...
> 
> Have fun,
> Tobias
> 
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Linux 2.6.31.4

[Thomas C. <tca...@sh...>]

Speaking of running X on your Powerbook 1400, have you tried  
installing Gnome, or is that too much for that old machine?  Mine has  
a 466MHz G3 upgrade card, so... possible?

Also, what settings are you using when configuring Xfree86?  I'm  
having an awful time coming with the right values by guess and by gosh.

Tom

On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Tobias Netzel wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just updated the test kernel images and added a tarball including
> some modules.
> The kernel should now be able to boot from hard drive as well as from
> ramdisks - on PowerBooks at least.
>
> I also found an error relating the Performa support - it might at
> least get to print something on the screen (you should try
> 'video=offb:ofonly' as well as 'video=valkyriefb').
>
> Now the interrupt handling on PBs is much more stable as well as
> faster - at least on my PB 1400. There's also serial port support now
> - even serial console should work. And NuBus devices (internal
> ethernet cards mainly) are supported now - my Focus EtherLAN 1400 is
> working.
>
> On my PB 1400 there's now Debian Lenny (Xfce + Lxde edition)
> installed and in my opinion it's working better than Woody or Sarge
> with 2.4 kernels. Even the Xfce desktop is usable - and I've also
> been able to use iceweasel with acceptable performance. The x.org
> server sadly failed to autoconfigure and even crashes in the attempt
> to do so. I had to add the line:
> 	Driver		"fbdev"
> to section "Device" manually after running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-
> xorg".
> I still get shutdowns (PMU cuts off the power) occasionally.
>
> If you'd like to install the modules extract them to "/" and run
> depmod after that. I didn't build netfilter modules because they fail
> to do so on my HFS+ partition.
>
> Please try that kernel images if you wish and report your results!
> And well - I could need some support in programming...
>
> Have fun,
> Tobias
>
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[Nubus-pmac-users] Linux 2.6.31.4

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

Hi all,

I just updated the test kernel images and added a tarball including  
some modules.
The kernel should now be able to boot from hard drive as well as from  
ramdisks - on PowerBooks at least.

I also found an error relating the Performa support - it might at  
least get to print something on the screen (you should try  
'video=offb:ofonly' as well as 'video=valkyriefb').

Now the interrupt handling on PBs is much more stable as well as  
faster - at least on my PB 1400. There's also serial port support now  
- even serial console should work. And NuBus devices (internal  
ethernet cards mainly) are supported now - my Focus EtherLAN 1400 is  
working.

On my PB 1400 there's now Debian Lenny (Xfce + Lxde edition)  
installed and in my opinion it's working better than Woody or Sarge  
with 2.4 kernels. Even the Xfce desktop is usable - and I've also  
been able to use iceweasel with acceptable performance. The x.org  
server sadly failed to autoconfigure and even crashes in the attempt  
to do so. I had to add the line:
	Driver		"fbdev"
to section "Device" manually after running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver- 
xorg".
I still get shutdowns (PMU cuts off the power) occasionally.

If you'd like to install the modules extract them to "/" and run  
depmod after that. I didn't build netfilter modules because they fail  
to do so on my HFS+ partition.

Please try that kernel images if you wish and report your results!
And well - I could need some support in programming...

Have fun,
Tobias

Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

One more thing:
On my machine and Mac OS installation the serial ports don't work  
when booted via BootX application. Might be they are powered off by  
Mac OS to save power once it is completely booted.

> Yeah, I'm using the serial port for networking (unfortunately).
>
> Built from today's git, it no longer boots. It enters XMON (I think).
> The last lines it prints before that are:
>
> mesh: configured for synchronous 5 MB/s
> st: Version 20081515, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256
> pcnet32.c:v1.35 21.Apr.2008 tsb...@al...
> Unable to handle kernel paging request for data at address 0x0000004
> Faulting instruction address: 0xc002cf6c
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Tobias Netzel
> <tob...@go...> wrote:
>>> I just just tested out a build from the latest git on my 2300, using
>>> the default nbpmac_defconfig. It completely boots to my woody
>>> installation!
>>>
>>> The only problem I have so far is that it seems to be compiled  
>>> without
>>> ppp support (which is my only method of networking on the 2300).
>>> Unless it's just just because I'm running 7 year old distribution of
>>> Debian.
>>>
>> If you have been using a serial port to connect to the internet
>> you're still out of luck because the serial driver has not been
>> adapted yet. I might do that soon but in my experience it never
>> worked reliably.
>>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> Yeah, I'm using the serial port for networking (unfortunately).
>
> Built from today's git, it no longer boots. It enters XMON (I think).
> The last lines it prints before that are:
>
> mesh: configured for synchronous 5 MB/s
> st: Version 20081515, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256
> pcnet32.c:v1.35 21.Apr.2008 tsb...@al...
> Unable to handle kernel paging request for data at address 0x0000004
> Faulting instruction address: 0xc002cf6c
>
Should be fixed now!
Actually now for the first time the 2.6 kernel is working relatively  
well on my PB 1400.
In the moment there is debian lenny being installed on it - using a  
serial console (in order to test the serial port driver)!
Until now transfers on the serial port may stall sometimes. Temporary  
fix is to enter the XMON debugger (using Apple+PowerKey)
and exit again by pressing x - at least it's working when using XMON  
via a serial console.

> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Tobias Netzel
> <tob...@go...> wrote:
>>> I just just tested out a build from the latest git on my 2300, using
>>> the default nbpmac_defconfig. It completely boots to my woody
>>> installation!
>>>
>>> The only problem I have so far is that it seems to be compiled  
>>> without
>>> ppp support (which is my only method of networking on the 2300).
>>> Unless it's just just because I'm running 7 year old distribution of
>>> Debian.
>>>
>> If you have been using a serial port to connect to the internet
>> you're still out of luck because the serial driver has not been
>> adapted yet. I might do that soon but in my experience it never
>> worked reliably.
>>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Current apt sources for Debian Sarge

[Thomas C. <tca...@sh...>]

They worked fine.  Thanks.

Tom
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Damon Tarry wrote:

> deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main
>
> Should work.
>
> There's also security:
> deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security sarge/updates main
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Thomas Carlson <tca...@sh... 
> > wrote:
>> Can anyone give me the current apt sources for Debian Sarge?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Damon T. <dr...@gm...>]

Yeah, I'm using the serial port for networking (unfortunately).

Built from today's git, it no longer boots. It enters XMON (I think).
The last lines it prints before that are:

mesh: configured for synchronous 5 MB/s
st: Version 20081515, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256
pcnet32.c:v1.35 21.Apr.2008 tsb...@al...
Unable to handle kernel paging request for data at address 0x0000004
Faulting instruction address: 0xc002cf6c

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Tobias Netzel
<tob...@go...> wrote:
>> I just just tested out a build from the latest git on my 2300, using
>> the default nbpmac_defconfig. It completely boots to my woody
>> installation!
>>
>> The only problem I have so far is that it seems to be compiled without
>> ppp support (which is my only method of networking on the 2300).
>> Unless it's just just because I'm running 7 year old distribution of
>> Debian.
>>
> If you have been using a serial port to connect to the internet
> you're still out of luck because the serial driver has not been
> adapted yet. I might do that soon but in my experience it never
> worked reliably.
>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> I just just tested out a build from the latest git on my 2300, using
> the default nbpmac_defconfig. It completely boots to my woody
> installation!
>
> The only problem I have so far is that it seems to be compiled without
> ppp support (which is my only method of networking on the 2300).
> Unless it's just just because I'm running 7 year old distribution of
> Debian.
>
If you have been using a serial port to connect to the internet  
you're still out of luck because the serial driver has not been  
adapted yet. I might do that soon but in my experience it never  
worked reliably.

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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> I just just tested out a build from the latest git on my 2300, using
> the default nbpmac_defconfig. It completely boots to my woody
> installation!
>
That's great!.
Unfortunately I myself still have problems with the PMU shutting down  
the machine during debian installation. My old installation also  
worked with the 2.6 kernel but it got corrupted by a shutdown during  
fsck.

> The only problem I have so far is that it seems to be compiled without
> ppp support (which is my only method of networking on the 2300).
> Unless it's just just because I'm running 7 year old distribution of
> Debian.
>
Well, PPP was disabled. I updated nbpmac_defconfig. This also  
disables time consuming debug options. On the other hand these  
debugging features seem to have a positive effect related to  
probability of a shutdown by the PMU...

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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Current apt sources for Debian Sarge

[Damon T. <dr...@gm...>]

deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main

Should work.

There's also security:
deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security sarge/updates main


On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Thomas Carlson <tca...@sh...> wrote:
> Can anyone give me the current apt sources for Debian Sarge?
>
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Damon T. <dr...@gm...>]

I just just tested out a build from the latest git on my 2300, using
the default nbpmac_defconfig. It completely boots to my woody
installation!

The only problem I have so far is that it seems to be compiled without
ppp support (which is my only method of networking on the 2300).
Unless it's just just because I'm running 7 year old distribution of
Debian.

[Nubus-pmac-users] Current apt sources for Debian Sarge

[Thomas C. <tca...@sh...>]

Can anyone give me the current apt sources for Debian Sarge?

Tom

Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Powerbook 1400 with 466MHz Sonnet Crescendo G3

[Thomas C. <tca...@sh...>]

I used ResEdit to change the Sonnet upgrade extension type from init  
to scri, added another space at the beginning of the name and rebooted  
into the Debian Sarge installer.  It no longer hangs at MMU:setio.   
I'm now in the installer.  Everything seems to be going fine.  Thanks,  
Carlos.

Tom

On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Carlos Castro wrote:

> just google sonnet extension before mklinux
>
> or try this
>
> http://www.jonh.net/lppcfom-serve/cache/375.html
>
> good luck
>
> Carlos
>
> On 2009/10/09, at 14:56, Thomas Carlson wrote:
>
>> I have been fiddling with my PowerBook 1400 over the past month  
>> trying
>> to install Debian Sarge.  I have come to the conclusion that the
>> 2.4.32 kernel with the Debian Sarge installer doesn't like my Sonnet
>> Crescendo 466MHz G3 upgrade card.  When I remove the card and replace
>> it with the original 166MHz PPC 603 processor everything works fine.
>> The Debian installer even recognizes and initializes my Orinoco Gold
>> wireless PC card.  Woo, hoo!  Put the G3 card back in...  the boot
>> process always hangs at MMU:setio.
>>
>> Seems to me that back in the early 2000s when I was trying to install
>> Nubus Linux on a G3-upgraded Powermac 6100 I had to do something with
>> ResEdit to make the MAXpowr (it was a Newertech G3 upgrade card)
>> extension load before the MkLinux extension.  I think it had to do
>> with enabling the kernel to recognize the L1 and secondary cashes on
>> the card.  Do any of you "old timers" remember something like that?
>> Or, is there some mach_option that would do the same thing?
>>
>> Cheers, Tom
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>>
>>> Although they aren't designated to include the Debian installer  
>>> those
>>> miboot ISO images do include the Sarge installer.
>>> You might as well download the plain miboot.image file and replace
>>> the one on your HFS partition (folder "Linux Kernels) with the
>>> downloaded one.
>>> The Sarge installer is included in the file ramdisk.sarge.gz and
>>> independent of the miboot.image files which contain the kernel.
>>>
>>> 128 MB of swap might not be enough if you plan to run X11
>>> applications. Nevertheless running applications that need more than
>>> the amount of physical RAM will result in an unusable system because
>>> of constant paging. So it might as well be justified to limit the
>>> amount of virtual memory to double the amount of physical RAM. I
>>> don't know what would be best but I always used a swap partition of
>>> at least 512 MB. That's somewhat exaggerated but just to be sure
>>> there never is insufficient virtual memory.
>>>
>>> I myself have been using an Orinoco Silver card in my PB1400 and it
>>> should work quite well. I don't remember if the driver is compiled
>>> into the kernel of if it has to be loaded as module.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tobias
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your response.  I had been using the miBoot image, Linux
>>>> kernel 2.4.27 (incl. Debian Sarge installer) as I needed to first  
>>>> of
>>>> all set up the A/UX root and swap partitions created under Mac OS
>>>> 9.1.  Is there a 2.4.32 miBoot image that includes the Debian Sarge
>>>> installer?  I'm not seeing it among the files available on
>>>> Sourceforge/
>>>> nubus-pmac offerings.
>>>>
>>>> I use an Orinoco wireless PC card as my primary network connection
>>>> under Mac OS.  Hope this will work with Debian too.  Everything  
>>>> else
>>>> about the machine is how you summised:  64 MB of RAM, 10 GIG hard
>>>> drive partitioned to include a 256 MB HFS partition, 9152 MB root,
>>>> and
>>>> 128MB swap, colors set to 256.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I would be willing to help with testing new kernels.  I don't
>>>> know much about linux but want to learn.  I'm a retired teacher  
>>>> so I
>>>> have some time on my hands.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Tom
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> did you try to use the miboot ISO image from 28 Nov 2006 that
>>>>> contain
>>>>> kernel version 2.4.32?
>>>>> There have been some important changes in PowerBook support since
>>>>> 2.4.27.
>>>>> There is either the complete ISO image:
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nubus-pmac/files/bootable 
>>>>> %20miBoot%
>>>>> 20ISOs/Linux%202.4.32/miboot_28NOV2006.iso/download
>>>>> or the miboot kernel image for replacing the old one:
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nubus-pmac/files/miBoot%20kernels/
>>>>> Linux%202.4.32/miboot.image_28NOV2006/download
>>>>>
>>>>> If you get problems with sudden shutdowns try removing the PCMCIA
>>>>> cards if you've got any inserted. Or even the media-bay modules
>>>>> but I
>>>>> don't know of any problems related to the media-bay. Also I don't
>>>>> know if any internal expansion cards like network or external  
>>>>> video
>>>>> adapter could cause problems during early bootup.
>>>>> You might get problems in booting the installer if you've got
>>>>> installed less than 24 MB of RAM - but if you've got the Sonnet
>>>>> card
>>>>> installed I suppose you've got the maximum of 64 MB installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I myself also occasionally got hangups at "MMU:exit" but I never
>>>>> investigated what's the reason. You might try changing the coulor
>>>>> depth in MacOS. The best choice for speed is 256.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you volunteer to try some 2.6.30 test kernels and report the
>>>>> results? Currently they cannot be used to boot yet but some  
>>>>> drivers
>>>>> are already sort of working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been trying to install Debian Sarge on this machine using
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> miBoot Image, 2.4.27 that includes the Debian Sarge installer.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> copied the boot image to a small boot HFS boot partition.  When
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to boot into the installer, though, it always hangs at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MMU:exit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this kernel incompatible with the Sonnet G3 card or am I doing
>>>>>> something wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Powerbook 1400 with 466MHz Sonnet Crescendo G3

[Carlos C. <cge...@gm...>]

just google sonnet extension before mklinux

or try this

http://www.jonh.net/lppcfom-serve/cache/375.html

good luck

Carlos

On 2009/10/09, at 14:56, Thomas Carlson wrote:

> I have been fiddling with my PowerBook 1400 over the past month trying
> to install Debian Sarge.  I have come to the conclusion that the
> 2.4.32 kernel with the Debian Sarge installer doesn't like my Sonnet
> Crescendo 466MHz G3 upgrade card.  When I remove the card and replace
> it with the original 166MHz PPC 603 processor everything works fine.
> The Debian installer even recognizes and initializes my Orinoco Gold
> wireless PC card.  Woo, hoo!  Put the G3 card back in...  the boot
> process always hangs at MMU:setio.
>
> Seems to me that back in the early 2000s when I was trying to install
> Nubus Linux on a G3-upgraded Powermac 6100 I had to do something with
> ResEdit to make the MAXpowr (it was a Newertech G3 upgrade card)
> extension load before the MkLinux extension.  I think it had to do
> with enabling the kernel to recognize the L1 and secondary cashes on
> the card.  Do any of you "old timers" remember something like that?
> Or, is there some mach_option that would do the same thing?
>
> Cheers, Tom
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>
>> Although they aren't designated to include the Debian installer those
>> miboot ISO images do include the Sarge installer.
>> You might as well download the plain miboot.image file and replace
>> the one on your HFS partition (folder "Linux Kernels) with the
>> downloaded one.
>> The Sarge installer is included in the file ramdisk.sarge.gz and
>> independent of the miboot.image files which contain the kernel.
>>
>> 128 MB of swap might not be enough if you plan to run X11
>> applications. Nevertheless running applications that need more than
>> the amount of physical RAM will result in an unusable system because
>> of constant paging. So it might as well be justified to limit the
>> amount of virtual memory to double the amount of physical RAM. I
>> don't know what would be best but I always used a swap partition of
>> at least 512 MB. That's somewhat exaggerated but just to be sure
>> there never is insufficient virtual memory.
>>
>> I myself have been using an Orinoco Silver card in my PB1400 and it
>> should work quite well. I don't remember if the driver is compiled
>> into the kernel of if it has to be loaded as module.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tobias
>>
>>> Thanks for your response.  I had been using the miBoot image, Linux
>>> kernel 2.4.27 (incl. Debian Sarge installer) as I needed to first of
>>> all set up the A/UX root and swap partitions created under Mac OS
>>> 9.1.  Is there a 2.4.32 miBoot image that includes the Debian Sarge
>>> installer?  I'm not seeing it among the files available on
>>> Sourceforge/
>>> nubus-pmac offerings.
>>>
>>> I use an Orinoco wireless PC card as my primary network connection
>>> under Mac OS.  Hope this will work with Debian too.  Everything else
>>> about the machine is how you summised:  64 MB of RAM, 10 GIG hard
>>> drive partitioned to include a 256 MB HFS partition, 9152 MB root,
>>> and
>>> 128MB swap, colors set to 256.
>>>
>>> Yes, I would be willing to help with testing new kernels.  I don't
>>> know much about linux but want to learn.  I'm a retired teacher so I
>>> have some time on my hands.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Tom
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>
>>>> did you try to use the miboot ISO image from 28 Nov 2006 that
>>>> contain
>>>> kernel version 2.4.32?
>>>> There have been some important changes in PowerBook support since
>>>> 2.4.27.
>>>> There is either the complete ISO image:
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nubus-pmac/files/bootable%20miBoot%
>>>> 20ISOs/Linux%202.4.32/miboot_28NOV2006.iso/download
>>>> or the miboot kernel image for replacing the old one:
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nubus-pmac/files/miBoot%20kernels/
>>>> Linux%202.4.32/miboot.image_28NOV2006/download
>>>>
>>>> If you get problems with sudden shutdowns try removing the PCMCIA
>>>> cards if you've got any inserted. Or even the media-bay modules
>>>> but I
>>>> don't know of any problems related to the media-bay. Also I don't
>>>> know if any internal expansion cards like network or external video
>>>> adapter could cause problems during early bootup.
>>>> You might get problems in booting the installer if you've got
>>>> installed less than 24 MB of RAM - but if you've got the Sonnet  
>>>> card
>>>> installed I suppose you've got the maximum of 64 MB installed.
>>>>
>>>> I myself also occasionally got hangups at "MMU:exit" but I never
>>>> investigated what's the reason. You might try changing the coulor
>>>> depth in MacOS. The best choice for speed is 256.
>>>>
>>>> Would you volunteer to try some 2.6.30 test kernels and report the
>>>> results? Currently they cannot be used to boot yet but some drivers
>>>> are already sort of working.
>>>>
>>>> Tobias
>>>>
>>>>> I have been trying to install Debian Sarge on this machine using
>>>>> the
>>>>> miBoot Image, 2.4.27 that includes the Debian Sarge installer.
>>>>> I've
>>>>> copied the boot image to a small boot HFS boot partition.  When
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to boot into the installer, though, it always hangs at:
>>>>>
>>>>> MMU:exit
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this kernel incompatible with the Sonnet G3 card or am I doing
>>>>> something wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] Powerbook 1400 with 466MHz Sonnet Crescendo G3

[Thomas C. <tca...@sh...>]

I have been fiddling with my PowerBook 1400 over the past month trying  
to install Debian Sarge.  I have come to the conclusion that the  
2.4.32 kernel with the Debian Sarge installer doesn't like my Sonnet  
Crescendo 466MHz G3 upgrade card.  When I remove the card and replace  
it with the original 166MHz PPC 603 processor everything works fine.   
The Debian installer even recognizes and initializes my Orinoco Gold  
wireless PC card.  Woo, hoo!  Put the G3 card back in...  the boot  
process always hangs at MMU:setio.

Seems to me that back in the early 2000s when I was trying to install  
Nubus Linux on a G3-upgraded Powermac 6100 I had to do something with  
ResEdit to make the MAXpowr (it was a Newertech G3 upgrade card)  
extension load before the MkLinux extension.  I think it had to do  
with enabling the kernel to recognize the L1 and secondary cashes on  
the card.  Do any of you "old timers" remember something like that?   
Or, is there some mach_option that would do the same thing?

Cheers, Tom

On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:

> Although they aren't designated to include the Debian installer those
> miboot ISO images do include the Sarge installer.
> You might as well download the plain miboot.image file and replace
> the one on your HFS partition (folder "Linux Kernels) with the
> downloaded one.
> The Sarge installer is included in the file ramdisk.sarge.gz and
> independent of the miboot.image files which contain the kernel.
>
> 128 MB of swap might not be enough if you plan to run X11
> applications. Nevertheless running applications that need more than
> the amount of physical RAM will result in an unusable system because
> of constant paging. So it might as well be justified to limit the
> amount of virtual memory to double the amount of physical RAM. I
> don't know what would be best but I always used a swap partition of
> at least 512 MB. That's somewhat exaggerated but just to be sure
> there never is insufficient virtual memory.
>
> I myself have been using an Orinoco Silver card in my PB1400 and it
> should work quite well. I don't remember if the driver is compiled
> into the kernel of if it has to be loaded as module.
>
> Cheers,
> Tobias
>
>> Thanks for your response.  I had been using the miBoot image, Linux
>> kernel 2.4.27 (incl. Debian Sarge installer) as I needed to first of
>> all set up the A/UX root and swap partitions created under Mac OS
>> 9.1.  Is there a 2.4.32 miBoot image that includes the Debian Sarge
>> installer?  I'm not seeing it among the files available on
>> Sourceforge/
>> nubus-pmac offerings.
>>
>> I use an Orinoco wireless PC card as my primary network connection
>> under Mac OS.  Hope this will work with Debian too.  Everything else
>> about the machine is how you summised:  64 MB of RAM, 10 GIG hard
>> drive partitioned to include a 256 MB HFS partition, 9152 MB root,  
>> and
>> 128MB swap, colors set to 256.
>>
>> Yes, I would be willing to help with testing new kernels.  I don't
>> know much about linux but want to learn.  I'm a retired teacher so I
>> have some time on my hands.
>>
>> Cheers, Tom
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> did you try to use the miboot ISO image from 28 Nov 2006 that  
>>> contain
>>> kernel version 2.4.32?
>>> There have been some important changes in PowerBook support since
>>> 2.4.27.
>>> There is either the complete ISO image:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nubus-pmac/files/bootable%20miBoot%
>>> 20ISOs/Linux%202.4.32/miboot_28NOV2006.iso/download
>>> or the miboot kernel image for replacing the old one:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nubus-pmac/files/miBoot%20kernels/
>>> Linux%202.4.32/miboot.image_28NOV2006/download
>>>
>>> If you get problems with sudden shutdowns try removing the PCMCIA
>>> cards if you've got any inserted. Or even the media-bay modules  
>>> but I
>>> don't know of any problems related to the media-bay. Also I don't
>>> know if any internal expansion cards like network or external video
>>> adapter could cause problems during early bootup.
>>> You might get problems in booting the installer if you've got
>>> installed less than 24 MB of RAM - but if you've got the Sonnet card
>>> installed I suppose you've got the maximum of 64 MB installed.
>>>
>>> I myself also occasionally got hangups at "MMU:exit" but I never
>>> investigated what's the reason. You might try changing the coulor
>>> depth in MacOS. The best choice for speed is 256.
>>>
>>> Would you volunteer to try some 2.6.30 test kernels and report the
>>> results? Currently they cannot be used to boot yet but some drivers
>>> are already sort of working.
>>>
>>> Tobias
>>>
>>>> I have been trying to install Debian Sarge on this machine using  
>>>> the
>>>> miBoot Image, 2.4.27 that includes the Debian Sarge installer.   
>>>> I've
>>>> copied the boot image to a small boot HFS boot partition.  When
>>>> trying
>>>> to boot into the installer, though, it always hangs at:
>>>>
>>>> MMU:exit
>>>>
>>>> Is this kernel incompatible with the Sonnet G3 card or am I doing
>>>> something wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31 testing

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> This is what I've tested so far
>
> PowerBook 5300 results:
> Booted with Apple's Mklinux booter, ended up as follows:
>
> No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 iso9660  
> hfsplus hfs
> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unkown- 
> block(1,0)
> call trace:
> [c381def0]-[c008cec] show_stack+0x70/0x1bc (unreliable)
> [c381df30]-[c02083ec] panic+0x98/0x174
> [c381df80]-[c0295e48] mount_block_root+0x2b0/0x2ec
> [c381dfd0]-[c0296098] prepare_namespace+0x1a4/0x1e8
> [c381dfe0]-[c029522c] kernel_init+0x10c/0x12c
> [c381dff0]-[c0012130] kernek thread+0x4c/0x68
> Rebooting in 180 seconds..
>
Well, seems to be working so far. Didn't you specify a boot device?

> ----------------------
>
> PowerMac 5200:
> BootX 1.2.1 custom / Mach Kernel.elf
> BootX 1.2.1 custom / miboot.image
> "wait some time" took 1-2 minutes
>
Strange. Did you see the points appearing one by one?

> Apple Mk booter / Mach Kernel
> BootX 1.1.3 / Mach Kernel.elf
> "wait some time" took around 5-10 seconds
>
> all of them ended up as follows:
>
> wait some time
> . . . . . . . .
> Ready, reluanching kernel...
> Preparing BAT...
> id mach(): done
> MMU:hw init
> MMU: mapin
> MMU: Set BAT for PowerBook / Performa
> MMU: setio
> MMU: exit
>
The framebuffer driver (valkyriefb) doesn't seem to work yet. You  
could try another driver by specifying "video=offb:ofonly" on the  
kernel command line.


Thanks for your tests!

[Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31 testing

[Ben D. <be...@po...>]

This is what I've tested so far

PowerBook 5300 results:
Booted with Apple's Mklinux booter, ended up as follows:

No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 iso9660 hfsplus hfs
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(1,0)
call trace:
[c381def0]-[c008cec] show_stack+0x70/0x1bc (unreliable)
[c381df30]-[c02083ec] panic+0x98/0x174
[c381df80]-[c0295e48] mount_block_root+0x2b0/0x2ec
[c381dfd0]-[c0296098] prepare_namespace+0x1a4/0x1e8
[c381dfe0]-[c029522c] kernel_init+0x10c/0x12c
[c381dff0]-[c0012130] kernek thread+0x4c/0x68
Rebooting in 180 seconds.. 

----------------------

PowerMac 5200:
BootX 1.2.1 custom / Mach Kernel.elf
BootX 1.2.1 custom / miboot.image
"wait some time" took 1-2 minutes

Apple Mk booter / Mach Kernel
BootX 1.1.3 / Mach Kernel.elf
"wait some time" took around 5-10 seconds

all of them ended up as follows:

wait some time
. . . . . . . .
Ready, reluanching kernel...
Preparing BAT...
id mach(): done
MMU:hw init
MMU: mapin
MMU: Set BAT for PowerBook / Performa
MMU: setio
MMU: exit
 		 	   		  
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> I have tested your new Mach Kernel with the MkLinux Booter.  I am
> using a Sonnet Crescendo 466MHz G3 card on my Powerbook 1400.  It gets
> as far as trying to mount root and a kernel panic.  Any suggestions
> for the lilo.conf file other than:
> rootdev=/dev/ram
> mach_options= keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1 video=nbpmacfb
>
That "Mach Kernel" image doesn't contain a ramdisk. If you've got  
installed linux on some partition you have to set rootdev to "/dev/ 
hda8" or whatever partition number it's installed on (hda8 is very  
common). If you want to use a ramdisk that is not embedded into a  
kernel image use the "miboot.image" or "MachKernel.elf" files with  
miBoot or BootX.
However on my machine initial ramdisks don't work yet because of an  
exception error. The parameter "video" should be set to "offb" or  
"offb:ofonly". Whether the parameter keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes  
still exists I don't know.

> Tom
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>
>> In the Files section of the project page there is now a folder
>> "2.6.31 testing kernels" that contains three kernel images.
>> "Mach Kernel" is for use with MkLinux Booter
>> "MachKernel.elf" is for use with miboot and BootX 1.1.3
>> "miboot.image" is for use with miboot and BootX 1.2.1
>> There is now also a custom version of BootX 1.2.1 in the BootX folder
>> that works on my PB1400.
>>
>> Currently on PowerBooks (500PPC, 5300, 1400) the kernel should launch
>> but will have severe difficulties on hard disk access.
>> On Performas (5200 and 6200) it might launch successfully but if it
>> doesn't Florian would have to look into it as he owns a Performa.
>> All other machines (PDM) are unsupported yet.
>>
>> Please don't expect anything to work yet. This kernels are just for
>> me to know if there are any additional problems that I didn't notice
>> yet. Until now I always get a data access exception when I try to use
>> an initrd ramdisk,
>>
>> I'd like to know of the results you get with this kernels:
>> Do you get anything on the screen?
>> Where does it stop?
>> Does it shut down inexpectedly?
>> Does the kernel enter XMON?
>> Can you type characters with the keyboard?
>> Do all the images work on your machine with all the different boot
>> loaders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tobias
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Thomas C. <tca...@sh...>]

I have tested your new Mach Kernel with the MkLinux Booter.  I am  
using a Sonnet Crescendo 466MHz G3 card on my Powerbook 1400.  It gets  
as far as trying to mount root and a kernel panic.  Any suggestions  
for the lilo.conf file other than:
rootdev=/dev/ram
mach_options= keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1 video=nbpmacfb

Tom
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Tobias Netzel wrote:

> In the Files section of the project page there is now a folder
> "2.6.31 testing kernels" that contains three kernel images.
> "Mach Kernel" is for use with MkLinux Booter
> "MachKernel.elf" is for use with miboot and BootX 1.1.3
> "miboot.image" is for use with miboot and BootX 1.2.1
> There is now also a custom version of BootX 1.2.1 in the BootX folder
> that works on my PB1400.
>
> Currently on PowerBooks (500PPC, 5300, 1400) the kernel should launch
> but will have severe difficulties on hard disk access.
> On Performas (5200 and 6200) it might launch successfully but if it
> doesn't Florian would have to look into it as he owns a Performa.
> All other machines (PDM) are unsupported yet.
>
> Please don't expect anything to work yet. This kernels are just for
> me to know if there are any additional problems that I didn't notice
> yet. Until now I always get a data access exception when I try to use
> an initrd ramdisk,
>
> I'd like to know of the results you get with this kernels:
> Do you get anything on the screen?
> Where does it stop?
> Does it shut down inexpectedly?
> Does the kernel enter XMON?
> Can you type characters with the keyboard?
> Do all the images work on your machine with all the different boot
> loaders?
>
> Thanks,
> Tobias
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

In the Files section of the project page there is now a folder  
"2.6.31 testing kernels" that contains three kernel images.
"Mach Kernel" is for use with MkLinux Booter
"MachKernel.elf" is for use with miboot and BootX 1.1.3
"miboot.image" is for use with miboot and BootX 1.2.1
There is now also a custom version of BootX 1.2.1 in the BootX folder  
that works on my PB1400.

Currently on PowerBooks (500PPC, 5300, 1400) the kernel should launch  
but will have severe difficulties on hard disk access.
On Performas (5200 and 6200) it might launch successfully but if it  
doesn't Florian would have to look into it as he owns a Performa.
All other machines (PDM) are unsupported yet.

Please don't expect anything to work yet. This kernels are just for  
me to know if there are any additional problems that I didn't notice  
yet. Until now I always get a data access exception when I try to use  
an initrd ramdisk,

I'd like to know of the results you get with this kernels:
Do you get anything on the screen?
Where does it stop?
Does it shut down inexpectedly?
Does the kernel enter XMON?
Can you type characters with the keyboard?
Do all the images work on your machine with all the different boot  
loaders?

Thanks,
Tobias

Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 06:21 +0200, Tobias Netzel wrote:
>>> I have the following hardware that I am more then willing to try
>
> And I will be happy to test on my 7100/66 when I get it plugged in  
> again
> after my machine room mess is cleaned up.

Unfortunately the 7100 is a PDM type machine that won't be supported  
soon, unless someone who owns one ports the drivers from 2.4 to 2.6 .

> Btw, what gcc version are you using ?
>
gcc 4.4.1 and binutils 2.19.1

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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Kaj-Michael L. <mi...@ta...>]

On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 06:21 +0200, Tobias Netzel wrote:
> > I have the following hardware that I am more then willing to try  

And I will be happy to test on my 7100/66 when I get it plugged in again
after my machine room mess is cleaned up.
Btw, what gcc version are you using ?

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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] PB 500 ppc donation

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> I'll be willing to donate a 500 ppc to somebody active on this  
> project.
>
> It's a pb 540c with an apple 100 Mhz 603e 40 mb ram, global village
> modem (no battery)
> 1.3gb hard drive (apple original ide on scsi carrier it can take up
> to 8gb)
> power adapter, video adapter, scsi adapter
>
Well, that's quite a great machine. However I wouldn't like to have  
yet another laptop to care for.
One NuBus machine is just enough to spend time with. :-)

Someone else here interested?

> missing
> battery port cover and with some dents and scratches ( it's 15 years
> old)
>
> if somebody want's it and is willing to pay for postage, i'll be more
> than happy to mail it
>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> I have the following hardware that I am more then willing to try  
> the new 2.6.3x kernel.
>
> PowerMac 6100
> PowerMac 5200 LC
> PowerBook 3400
> PowerBook 5300
>
Excellent. For the 6100 one there won't be any support in the near  
future, though.
I hope to complete initial Performa (the 5200 in your case) support  
soon. Or maybe Florian Boelster could help in this.
I'll inform the mailing list when testing images are available.
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:02:18 -0500
> From: ed....@gm...
> To: nub...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31
>
> I've got a pair of 1400's that I'll try that on.  One with a Sonnet  
> 233 card, one with the older 117MHz proc.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Tobias Netzel  
> <tob...@go...> wrote:
> > I'd like to get a copy of the BootX code you're using.
> >
> I'll put it into the files section of our project page soon.
> And please try if you can use it to boot a kernel - on NuBus and/or
> PCI machines.
>
> > Where is the flat device tree file located in the kernel?
> >
> arch/powerpc/boot/dts/NuBus*.dts (* is for PowerMac, Performa and
> PowerBook)
> Note that I put nearly all nodes on the root level of the device tree
> since in fact all devices are on the same bus.
> I still have to extend the second stage boot loader to delete the
> nodes from the device tree that aren't needed on particular machines
> and eventually adjust some clock values
>
> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tobias Netzel
> > <tob...@go...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm just uploading the latest progress in the effort to get the
> > 2.6.3x kernel series running on our NuBus machines.
> >
> > There has been significant progress in the area of boot loaders.
> > Finally the produced images (including ramdisk image support) can be
> > booted on miBoot, BootX and Mk Linux Booter (see file README in the
> > root of the git repository for details). There's still only a flat
> > device tree for the PB1400, but next thing I'll do is provide  
> generic
> > trees for the three flavours of the NuBus PMac platform, that  
> will be
> > modified to suite the exact machine type by the second stage boot
> > loader (that piece of code that was executed before actually booting
> > a linux kernel embedded into a "Mach Kernel" file).
> >
> > Unfortunately I still get data access exceptions when the kernel
> > tries to actually load and decompress the ramdisk. Interrupt  
> handling
> > is as well still unreliable - but something changed with  the  
> upgrade
> > to 2.6.31.
> >
> > As a product of my intents to self-compile BootX I have a version of
> > BootX 1.2.1 (source code identical to 1.2.2, just built with other
> > version of CodeWarrior) that works on my PB1400 under MacOS 8.6 .
> > Most parts are now PPC native (CodeWarrior 10 that I am using  
> doesn't
> > include an m68k compiler) with the exception of the code that is
> > executed to shutdown the machine and put it in PPC supervisor mode -
> > that code resource I simply copied from BootX 1.2.2. If there's any
> > interest I'll put it online.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tobias
>
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Re: [Nubus-pmac-users] linux 2.6.31

[Tobias N. <tob...@go...>]

> If you could toss those files up into a 'testing' section in the  
> Files part of the site by this weekend, I could get some testing  
> going.
>
I'll do this. For the future I'd be glad to see someone else  
providing lastest kernel images (files "miboot.image",  
"MachKernel.elf" and "Mach Kernel") for everyone to test and report  
results.
But keep in mind that until now you can't expect anything to work  
correctly or stably.

> Also, are the mods you're doing going into the git or cvs repos?
>
Into the git repository. The history on sourceforge for commits into  
the git repository isn't working currently.
Here's the complete URL of the 2.6.3x tree:
git://nubus-pmac.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/nubus-pmac/linux-2.6.3x

> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Tobias Netzel  
> <tob...@go...> wrote:
> > I'd like to get a copy of the BootX code you're using.
> >
> I'll put it into the files section of our project page soon.
> And please try if you can use it to boot a kernel - on NuBus and/or
> PCI machines.
>
> > Where is the flat device tree file located in the kernel?
> >
> arch/powerpc/boot/dts/NuBus*.dts (* is for PowerMac, Performa and
> PowerBook)
> Note that I put nearly all nodes on the root level of the device tree
> since in fact all devices are on the same bus.
> I still have to extend the second stage boot loader to delete the
> nodes from the device tree that aren't needed on particular machines
> and eventually adjust some clock values
>
> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tobias Netzel
> > <tob...@go...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm just uploading the latest progress in the effort to get the
> > 2.6.3x kernel series running on our NuBus machines.
> >
> > There has been significant progress in the area of boot loaders.
> > Finally the produced images (including ramdisk image support) can be
> > booted on miBoot, BootX and Mk Linux Booter (see file README in the
> > root of the git repository for details). There's still only a flat
> > device tree for the PB1400, but next thing I'll do is provide  
> generic
> > trees for the three flavours of the NuBus PMac platform, that  
> will be
> > modified to suite the exact machine type by the second stage boot
> > loader (that piece of code that was executed before actually booting
> > a linux kernel embedded into a "Mach Kernel" file).
> >
> > Unfortunately I still get data access exceptions when the kernel
> > tries to actually load and decompress the ramdisk. Interrupt  
> handling
> > is as well still unreliable - but something changed with  the  
> upgrade
> > to 2.6.31.
> >
> > As a product of my intents to self-compile BootX I have a version of
> > BootX 1.2.1 (source code identical to 1.2.2, just built with other
> > version of CodeWarrior) that works on my PB1400 under MacOS 8.6 .
> > Most parts are now PPC native (CodeWarrior 10 that I am using  
> doesn't
> > include an m68k compiler) with the exception of the code that is
> > executed to shutdown the machine and put it in PPC supervisor mode -
> > that code resource I simply copied from BootX 1.2.2. If there's any
> > interest I'll put it online.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tobias
> >
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