From: Raylynn K. <aud...@sp...> - 2006-09-19 04:11:48
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Actually I would expect you to have more success using something like the following: dp fe000300 dp fe001300 dp fe002300 dp fe003300 dp fe004300 dp fe005300 The reason is that the SMC registers are traditionally at an offset of 0x0300. On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 18:05 -0700, Toby Dylan Hocking wrote: > Of course I first tried intervals of 0x00100000 but I got nothing so I > began to subdivide. So I thought that intervals of 0x1000 were a happy > medium that would actually be doable. I'll update when anything > interesting happens. > > Sincerely, > Toby Dylan Hocking > http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~tdhock > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, Tobias Netzel wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I think you should first try intervals of 0x00100000. > > And when you found something you should try to find the first valid > > address by going down in smaller steps, i.e. in steps of 0x10000 until > > you get an error and then the same with 0x1000 and maybe 0x100. > > Maybe you also need to use "db" instead of "dp". > > > > Intervals of 0x1000 should be small enough - I only know of one > > hardware register in the PB 1400 that doesn't fill 0x1000 bytes. > > > > Tobias > > > > Am 18.09.2006 um 17:28 schrieb Toby Dylan Hocking: > > > >> Hi there Nubus-PPC linux users (and Tobias in particular), > >> > >> I'm still searching for registers for my Nubus ethernet card on my > >> PB1400, > >> and I'm wondering if I'm on the right track here. > >> > >> I'm searching for accessible memory between > >> 0xfe000000 and 0xfeffffff > >> I'm using MacsBug and dp commands in intervals i.e. > >> dp fe000000 > >> dp fe001000 > >> dp fe002000 > >> dp fe003000 > >> dp fe004000 > >> dp fe005000 > >> dp fe006000 > >> dp fe007000 > >> dp fe008000 > >> dp fe009000 > >> dp fe00a000 > >> dp fe00b000 > >> dp fe00c000 > >> dp fe00d000 > >> dp fe00e000 > >> dp fe00f000 > >> dp fe010000 > >> dp fe011000 > >> ... > >> > >> Each time I'm getting "Unable to access that address PC:028E3D80 Frame > >> Type: B008" and I've gone all the way up to fe100000 in this manner. > >> > >> How large do you expect the footprint of the ethernet card's registers > >> to > >> be in memory? That is, will I be able to find them if I keep going in > >> this > >> manner, or do I need to check smaller sub-intervals, i.e. > >> dp fe000100 > >> dp fe000200 > >> > >> Thanks a bunch if you guys can help! > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Toby Dylan Hocking > >> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~tdhock > >> > >> On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Tobias Netzel wrote: > >> > >>> Oh sorry, I was wrong. > >>> You found the registers of the VIA chip > >>> > >>> You should find the PB 1400's nubus slot address space at: > >>> 0xfe000000 - 0xfeffffff > >>> > >>> Tobias > >>> > >>> > >>> Am 10.07.2006 um 06:48 schrieb Tobias Netzel: > >>> > >>>> That definitely are the registers - now you should look into the > >>>> source > >>>> code of the SMC9194 driver in order to verfiy if the register layout > >>>> is > >>>> compatible with the one the driver expects. > >>>> You might also get the data sheet of the chip in order to do that. > >>>> > >>>> Tobias > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 10.07.2006 um 05:28 schrieb Toby Dylan Hocking: > >>>> > >>>>> Hey Tobias, > >>>>> > >>>>> I think I may have found something ... tell me if I'm on the right > >>>>> track > >>>>> here or not... > >>>>> > >>>>> All of the memory between 50000000 - 50f001f0 is set to > >>>>> 8A8A 8A8A 8A8A 8A8A 8A8A 8A8A 8A8A 8A8A > >>>>> > >>>>> Then the mem between 50f00200 -50F003F0 is set to > >>>>> A0A0 A0A0 A0A0 A0A0 ... > >>>>> > >>>>> Then 50f00400 - 50f005e0 is > >>>>> 8080 ... > >>>>> > >>>>> 50f00600 - 50f007e0 > >>>>> 2828 ... > >>>>> > >>>>> Then things start to get really interesting, and there seems to be > >>>>> some > >>>>> data stored in registers 50f00800 - 50f009f0 > >>>>> (and it changes everytime i check it with dp) > >>>>> > >>>>> 50f00a00 - > >>>>> seem to be uniform per line of output, but changte each time i check > >>>>> dp. > >>>>> > >>>>> Am I looking at the right registers here? How can you tell? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> Toby Dylan Hocking > >>>>> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~tdhock > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Toby Dylan Hocking wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Tobias, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The dmesg on my PB1400 reads as follows: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> NuBus: Scanning NuBus slots. > >>>>>> Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 > >>>>>> Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 > >>>>>> Initializing RT netlink socket > >>>>>> Starting kswapd > >>>>>> Journalled Block Device driver loaded > >>>>>> Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 ok...@mo...). > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What were you expecting? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm in the process of getting MacsBug onto it, I have to burn a CD > >>>>>> and then > >>>>>> load it on... when I get to scanning address space, should I just > >>>>>> use > >>>>>> db, dp, > >>>>>> and dw on all those addresses until I get a certain response? What > >>>>>> response > >>>>>> should I be expecting when I find the address of my ethernet card? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks again... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>> Toby Dylan Hocking > >>>>>> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~tdhock > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Tobias Netzel wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You won't need the MacOS driver. I'm sure you could find it on the > >>>>>>> web > >>>>>>> somewhere. > >>>>>>> Once you have found the card's base address things should be easy. > >>>>>>> It should be in the same address range as mine. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tobias > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 03.07.2006 um 17:56 schrieb Toby Dylan Hocking: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Tobias, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the quick and informative reply! It's a bit much since > >>>>>>>> I've > >>>>>>>> never had to deal with accessing registers in memory before, but > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>> I'll be able to figure it out --- I do have some experience using > >>>>>>>> MacsBug, > >>>>>>>> and I do have system 7.6 loaded on a small partition on the > >>>>>>>> PB1400, > >>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> should be a simple matter of DL'ing the MacsBug extension and > >>>>>>>> installing. > >>>>>>>> I'm not in front of the computer right now, but I'll do it > >>>>>>>> tonight, > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> get back to you then. However, I don't know if I still have the > >>>>>>>> driver > >>>>>>>> that Farallon supplied with the card... if that is the case, is > >>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>> hope? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks again for the help, this has been somewhat of a difficult > >>>>>>>> project > >>>>>>>> for me, but having some help from somebody who seems to know what > >>>>>>>> he's > >>>>>>>> doing is very encouraging. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>>> Toby Dylan Hocking > >>>>>>>> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~tdhock > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Tobias Netzel wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Toby, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> the driver for the SMC9194 is already ported to the > >>>>>>>>> NuBus-PowerMacs. > >>>>>>>>> However if the card hasn't got any NuBus ROM it will not be > >>>>>>>>> detected > >>>>>>>>> by > >>>>>>>>> the kernel. > >>>>>>>>> In the result of dmesg there should be a line saying "NuBus: > >>>>>>>>> Scanning > >>>>>>>>> NuBus slots." > >>>>>>>>> What is printed right after that line? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I have ported another driver for the Focus EtherLAN internal > >>>>>>>>> ethernet > >>>>>>>>> card for the PB 1400. So I can help you in getting your card > >>>>>>>>> working. > >>>>>>>>> If there is nothing reported about a NuBus card in any slot you > >>>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>> have to go find it's address in the memory address space. > >>>>>>>>> For that purpose you should get MacsBug for MacOS - you need > >>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> MacOS > >>>>>>>>> installed. Unfortunately I did not yet use any linux debugger. > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> don't know how to use them in order to scan address space. > >>>>>>>>> MacsBug > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> downloadable from Apple or I could send it to you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here is a guide I recently posted to this mailing list: > >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>> Here are the addresses that you should look at for NuBus Cards: > >>>>>>>>> 0xf1000000 - 0xff000000 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 0xf1000000 - 0xf1ffffff is for NuBus Slot 1 (doesn't exist as > >>>>>>>>> far > >>>>>>>>> as I > >>>>>>>>> know) and > >>>>>>>>> 0xff000000- 0xffffffff is for Slot F (doesn't exist as well). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Valid Slots are 9 - E as far as I know. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My PB 1400 internal ethernet card uses slot E address space > >>>>>>>>> (internal > >>>>>>>>> video cards do as well). > >>>>>>>>> It's registers addresses are mapped starting at 0xfe600000. > >>>>>>>>> They are repeated until address 0xfe7fffff. > >>>>>>>>> At the very end of the address space is the NuBus ROM. > >>>>>>>>> The rest of slot E address space has values of 0 or 0001 (from > >>>>>>>>> 0xfe400000 - 0xfe5fffff). > >>>>>>>>> I think in slot address space you should increase the address > >>>>>>>>> values > >>>>>>>>> you are looking at by 0x00100000. But that's just guessed . > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Comm-Slot cards are mapped in the address space of the onboard > >>>>>>>>> I/O > >>>>>>>>> devices (at least the comm-slot SONIC cards are). > >>>>>>>>> That is 0x50f00000 - 0x50ffffff. > >>>>>>>>> In the kernel sources in the file > >>>>>>>>> arch/ppc/platforms/nbpmac_node.h > >>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>> can find the addresses for many of the onboard devices (on my PB > >>>>>>>>> 1400 > >>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> found 2 more devices) for the PDM PowerBook and Performa > >>>>>>>>> machines. > >>>>>>>>> So if you find registers at other places they are probably the > >>>>>>>>> ones > >>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>> are searching for. > >>>>>>>>> If there aren't any registers at an address you enter you will > >>>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>> error message. > >>>>>>>>> You should then increase the address value in steps of 0x1000. > >>>>>>>>> The additional device registers I found are at 0x50f80000 (PBX > >>>>>>>>> memory > >>>>>>>>> controller) and 0x50f96000 (a really interesting one that MacOS > >>>>>>>>> uses > >>>>>>>>> when accessing the floppy drive). > >>>>>>>>> At address 0x50f36000 there are registers that seem to always be > >>>>>>>>> zero > >>>>>>>>> so I don't know what device they belong to. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I know nothing about the addresses PDS cards use - you could > >>>>>>>>> browse > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> source of the different macintosh ethernet drivers in the kernel > >>>>>>>>> tree. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You also need to know the interrupt the device is using. In the > >>>>>>>>> files > >>>>>>>>> nbpmac_pfm.c (Performa) nbpmac_amic.c (PDM) and nbpmac_m2.c > >>>>>>>>> (PowerBook) > >>>>>>>>> in arch/ppc/platforms you should be able to find out the > >>>>>>>>> interrupt > >>>>>>>>> number that are used for each slot. For comm-slot and PDS cards > >>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>> know what interrupts they use (SONIC uses the interrupt of slot > >>>>>>>>> 9). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In MacsBug you enter addresses without "0x" in front of the > >>>>>>>>> values. > >>>>>>>>> Some registers are not accessible with the display page (dp) > >>>>>>>>> command. > >>>>>>>>> You can use "db" for byte (8 bit) access, "dw" for word (16 bit) > >>>>>>>>> access > >>>>>>>>> and "dl" for long word (32 bit) access. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I hope that will help you to find the addresses of the cards you > >>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>> know. > >>>>>>>>> You might as well use MacsBug to see what addresses a MacOS > >>>>>>>>> driver > >>>>>>>>> accesses to but that's a bit more complicated. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You can also disassemble the MacOS driver (with MacsBug but > >>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> ResEdit). > >>>>>>>>> MacOS drivers are in the DRVR resource of either the System file > >>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> driver's system extension. > >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> - > >>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Feel free to ask me if you get any problems. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Tobias Netzel > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Am 02.07.2006 um 01:54 schrieb Toby Dylan Hocking: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've been trying to get Debian Sarge onto my PowerBook 1400, > >>>>>>>>>> using > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> resources provided in the nubus-pmac sourceforge group. I have > >>>>>>>>>> found > >>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>> software and links to be extremely helpful, and I have got a > >>>>>>>>>> Linux > >>>>>>>>>> 2.4.31 > >>>>>>>>>> kernel compiled and running on it, using the miBoot iso from > >>>>>>>>>> Tobias > >>>>>>>>>> Netzel > >>>>>>>>>> and the linuxppc-2.4-nubus sources from CVS. My hardware setup > >>>>>>>>>> includes a > >>>>>>>>>> G3/250 NUpowr upgrade from Newer, and the standard media bay > >>>>>>>>>> cdrom > >>>>>>>>>> drive, > >>>>>>>>>> both of which the kernel seems to be recognizing just fine. I > >>>>>>>>>> load > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> kernel and boot to 6 login terminals which all work just fine. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> However, my problem is that I have installed a SMC9194 ethernet > >>>>>>>>>> card > >>>>>>>>>> (a > >>>>>>>>>> farallon 10BaseT card) in the machine's internal expansion > >>>>>>>>>> slot, > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> I'd like > >>>>>>>>>> to get that working with my linux kernel, so I can apt-get and > >>>>>>>>>> browse > >>>>>>>>>> the web > >>>>>>>>>> and whatnot. However, even after I enable the SMC9194 support > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> kernel > >>>>>>>>>> configuration options, my ifconfig eth0 still says no device > >>>>>>>>>> found, > >>>>>>>>>> and i'm not > >>>>>>>>>> seeing any driver say anything about ethernet in the dmesg. I > >>>>>>>>>> talked > >>>>>>>>>> to one of > >>>>>>>>>> my friends and he said that I'd have to write a driver for it > >>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>> port > >>>>>>>>>> a driver. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Two questions: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 1. Has anybody got their internal PB1400 ethernet card to work > >>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>> the Linux > >>>>>>>>>> kernel? How? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> 2. What do you think is the best course of action? I never have > >>>>>>>>>> ported > >>>>>>>>>> drivers > >>>>>>>>>> before, but I have C programming experience. Should I learn how > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> port the > >>>>>>>>>> driver? Where should I start? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>>>>> Toby Dylan Hocking > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~tdhock > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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