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[Notion-general] Notion 4

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hello,

There are some cool new developments in Notion! We are planning to
release 'Notion 4' now, which has a couple of bigger,
non-backwards-compatible changes.

We have finally managed to drop all of the code that was released
under the Ion license, which was a modified LGPL license. This mean we
will be able to release Notion 4 under the regular LGPL again. It also
means there might be some features that are now missing or bugs that
might re-appear. I think we've covered all the major ones, but do
report it when you find any further regressions.

The other most noticeable change in Notion 4 is a new default set of
keybindings. You can find a schematic at
https://notionwm.net/notion4keys.html . It is possible to switch back
to the Notion 3 keybindings.

Also, mod_statusbar is now no longer enabled by default, but instead
mod_dock is.

You can find a further overview of changes
https://notionwm.net/migration.html . A more detailed overview can be
found at https://github.com/raboof/notion/releases/tag/untagged-cc2e2e2c941f2b361883

Of course I realize the choice of window manager is a highly personal
one, so even if much of the Notion 3 behaviour can be achieved in
Notion 4 as well, not everyone will have a desire to switch. It is
entirely fine to stay on Notion 3 if you prefer.

We have also been updating some infrastructure:
* The code now lives on github, https://github.com/raboof/notion (and
https://github.com/raboof/notion-doc for the docs)
* For discussions around specific features or topics, feel free to use
the GitHub 'Issues'
* We have our own domain at https://notionwm.net/
* Our IRC chat is still #notion on irc.freenode.net

Before we actually release Notion 4, I would warmly welcome you to
check out the code from github and give it a try, taking into account
the migration guide. It would be lovely to get your feedback, either
here or in the form of github issues.


Kind regards,

Arnout

Re: [Notion-general] #notion on freenode

[Mindaugas C. <m.c...@ya...>]

Thank you, Arnout. Thanks for the reply. Now I can connect to the channel.
Have a nice day.

Re: [Notion-general] #notion on freenode

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hi Mindaugas,

Thanks for the ping! I removed the invitation requirement, though I'm
keeping the restriction to only registered users for now while
freenode battles a channel spam option. Once all this dies down I'll
open the channel up entirely again.


Kind regards,

Arnout

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Mindaugas Celiesius
<m.c...@ya...> wrote:
> Hello and sorry for my bad English. Sorry for the inconvenience. I would like to join the #notion irc channel, but I can not do this because I need to get invitation. How can I get that invitation?
> With respect.
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[Notion-general] #notion on freenode

[Mindaugas C. <m.c...@ya...>]

Hello and sorry for my bad English. Sorry for the inconvenience. I would like to join the #notion irc channel, but I can not do this because I need to get invitation. How can I get that invitation?
With respect.


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Re: [Notion-general] How to reset/edit query history?

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Johannes Schöön <sc...@ma...> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018, Arnout Engelen wrote:
>> And if you send signal 9 (SIGKILL) instead of the default (SIGTERM)?
>
> Chanel No. 9 worked like a charm! Thanks!

Cool good to hear!

A neat feature might be to keep some statistics to determine which
autocompletion to show first, which could make typo's fade away
'naturally'.


Arnout

Re: [Notion-general] How to reset/edit query history?

[Johannes S. <sc...@ma...>]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018, Arnout Engelen wrote:

> And if you send signal 9 (SIGKILL) instead of the default (SIGTERM)?

I should have know. Chanel No. 9 worked like a charm! Thanks!

Now I only have to watch my fingers when I type commands.

Best Regards

Johannes

Re: [Notion-general] How to reset/edit query history?

[Johannes S. <sc...@ma...>]

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018, Arnout Engelen wrote:

> /.../ and saved when the session is saved or when notion is
> shut down.
 
> Perhaps if you edit the file and then kill the notion process
> this will have the desired effect?

I removed the file, and then zapped notion with pkill, but the 
file was still resurrected.

It starts to look as if I have to write a few lines of Lua in
cfg_notioncore.lua, and bind to some button I can press. Since
I'm no notion-Lua-guru, it starts to look as if I could teach
myself to ignore the offending items in the command history after
all...

Yours Sincerely

Johannes

Re: [Notion-general] How to reset/edit query history?

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hi Johannes,

This file is loaded when mod_query is loaded and saved when the
session is saved or when notion is shut down.

Perhaps if you edit the file and then kill the notion process this
will have the desired effect?


Arnout

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Johannes Schöön via Notion-general
<not...@li...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a way of editing or resetting the command history of notion?
> I have some annoying items in my history, which keep showing up,
> cluttering the view. They can be seen in
>
> ~/.notion/default-session--0/saved_queryhist.lua,
>
> but this appears to only be a snapshot of what was in the history stack
> at the time I log out. Deleting or editing it has no effect.
>
> This is only a minor niggle, but in a heat wave, it can be quite annoying.
>
> Hälsningar
>
> Johannes
>
> p.s. In notion command history, spaces seem to count, at least trailing
> ones.
>
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Re: [Notion-general] Workspace name in statusbar

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hi Bart,

For mod_statusbar, would statusbar_wsname.lua from the contrib scripts
(https://github.com/raboof/notion/blob/master/contrib/statusbar/statusbar_wsname.lua)
work?

For an 'external' status bar, I think you could currently watch the
_ION_WORKSPACE root window X property.

Eventually it would be nice to support the EWMH _NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP
and _NET_DESKTOP_NAMES properties
(https://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.3.html).

Unfortunately the EWMH "Desktop" concept might not quite map directly
to our "Workspace": they talk about "multiple so-called 'virtual
desktops', of which only one can be shown on the screen at a time",
where in a multi-screen setup we have a different Workspace on each
Screen. I'm not sure they have the concept of 'multiple screens' like
we do.


Arnout

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:15 PM, Bart Louwers via Notion-general
<not...@li...> wrote:
> I'd like to put the name of the current workspace in the statusbar.
> If someone has this set up, I'd appreciate it if you could share your
> config.
>
> Of course, if you have ideas about how to achieve this, they would be
> most welcome as well.
>
> Thanks. :-)
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[Notion-general] Workspace name in statusbar

[Bart L. <ba...@em...>]

I'd like to put the name of the current workspace in the statusbar.
If someone has this set up, I'd appreciate it if you could share your
config.

Of course, if you have ideas about how to achieve this, they would be
most welcome as well.

Thanks. :-)

[Notion-general] How to reset/edit query history?

[Johannes S. <sc...@ma...>]

Hi all,

Is there a way of editing or resetting the command history of notion? 
I have some annoying items in my history, which keep showing up, 
cluttering the view. They can be seen in 

~/.notion/default-session--0/saved_queryhist.lua,

but this appears to only be a snapshot of what was in the history stack 
at the time I log out. Deleting or editing it has no effect.

This is only a minor niggle, but in a heat wave, it can be quite annoying. 

Hälsningar

Johannes

p.s. In notion command history, spaces seem to count, at least trailing 
ones. 

Re: [Notion-general] Notion startup error - font missing?

[Arnout E. <ar...@bz...>]

Great!


Arnout

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Bart Louwers <ba...@em...> wrote:
> I installed xorg-fonts-100dpi, which is a package that has helvetica in
> it, this fixed the issue.
> Made a bug report for the Arch Linux package.
>
> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/59280
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> On 09-07-18 15:06, Arnout Engelen wrote:
>> Apparently the default theme, look_newviolet.lua, refers to a font
>> that is not present on your system.
>>
>> You could either install the font or tweak the theme
>>
>> Did you install from source or from some package? What distribution are you on?
>>
>>
>> Arnout
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Bart Louwers via Notion-general
>> <not...@li...> wrote:
>>> After a system update, I am getting the following error message when
>>> starting notion.
>>> If anyone has any idea what might cause this, I'd be much obliged.
>>>
>>> helvetica is not installed on my system, but I don't know why it should
>>> be...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notion startup error log:
>>>>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>>>> Stack trace:
>>>    0 [C]: in 'select_engine'
>>>    1 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:6
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>>    4 [C]: in 'dopath'
>>>    5 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>>>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>>>> Stack trace:
>>>    0 [C]: in 'defstyle'
>>>    1 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:12
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>>    4 [C]: in 'dopath'
>>>    5 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>>>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>>>> Stack trace:
>>>    0 [C]: in 'defstyle'
>>>    1 /etc/notion/lookcommon_clean.lua:77
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>>    4 [C]: in 'dopath'
>>>    5 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:81
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>>    8 [C]: in 'dopath'
>>>    9 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
>>>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
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Re: [Notion-general] Notion startup error - font missing?

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Apparently the default theme, look_newviolet.lua, refers to a font
that is not present on your system.

You could either install the font or tweak the theme

Did you install from source or from some package? What distribution are you on?


Arnout

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Bart Louwers via Notion-general
<not...@li...> wrote:
> After a system update, I am getting the following error message when
> starting notion.
> If anyone has any idea what might cause this, I'd be much obliged.
>
> helvetica is not installed on my system, but I don't know why it should
> be...
>
>
>
> Notion startup error log:
>>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>> Stack trace:
>    0 [C]: in 'select_engine'
>    1 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:6
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>    4 [C]: in 'dopath'
>    5 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>> Stack trace:
>    0 [C]: in 'defstyle'
>    1 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:12
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>    4 [C]: in 'dopath'
>    5 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>>> Stack trace:
>    0 [C]: in 'defstyle'
>    1 /etc/notion/lookcommon_clean.lua:77
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>    4 [C]: in 'dopath'
>    5 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:81
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>    8 [C]: in 'dopath'
>    9 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
>      [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
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[Notion-general] Notion startup error - font missing?

[Bart L. <ba...@em...>]

After a system update, I am getting the following error message when
starting notion.
If anyone has any idea what might cause this, I'd be much obliged.

helvetica is not installed on my system, but I don't know why it should
be...



Notion startup error log:
>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>> Stack trace:
   0 [C]: in 'select_engine'
   1 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:6
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
   4 [C]: in 'dopath'
   5 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>> Stack trace:
   0 [C]: in 'defstyle'
   1 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:12
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
   4 [C]: in 'dopath'
   5 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
>> Could not load font -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>> Stack trace:
   0 [C]: in 'defstyle'
   1 /etc/notion/lookcommon_clean.lua:77
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
   4 [C]: in 'dopath'
   5 /etc/notion/look_newviolet.lua:81
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]
   8 [C]: in 'dopath'
   9 /etc/notion/look.lua:1
     [Skipping unnamed C functions.]

[Notion-general] gnucash gtk2/gtk3: windows on top of windows

[Thomas K. <tk...@gi...>]

Hi!

I've recently upgraded gnucash to 3.1, now with proper GTK3 support.

Since then, I notice that some Windows pop up on top of the gnucash
main window instead of as a separate window, with no way that I can
see to access the lower window, which is highly annoying e.g. for
reconciliation.

Any ideas what could cause this or what to do about this?

Thanks,
 Thomas

Re: [Notion-general] new notion release?

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hi Thomas,

Good idea!


Arnout

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Thomas Klausner <tk...@gi...> wrote:

> I just noticed the last release was in 2015. Can we have a new one,
> please? :)
>
> Thanks,
>  Thomas
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[Notion-general] Notion 3-2017050501 released!

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

Hello all,

I've just released version 3-2017050501 of Notion.

This is mostly a maintenance release, but some notable changes include:

* Add focuslist menu for workspaces (thanks to @hedning)
* Add sizepolicy support for menus (thanks to @hedning)
* Fix statusd free memory (thanks to @jsbackus)
* Improve error messages for invalid key combinations (thanks to @xmw and
@knixeur)
* configuration options for warp cursor placement (thanks to Campbell
Barton)
* include net_client_list in the default configuration
* add Subtle(wm)-like window management to contrib scripts (@gwash)
* add rofi menu support (thanks to @olejorgenb and @hedning)
* various cleanups (thanks to Campbell Barton, Wojtek Aniszewski,
@jsbackus, Joe Mason, @olejorgenb)

Get it at: https://github.com/raboof/notion/releases


Kind regards,

Arnout

Re: [Notion-general] The mysterious behaviour of xclock

[Wojciech A. <ani...@da...>]

Mind you this question was never answered!
w

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 04:01:04PM +0100, Wojciech Aniszewski wrote:
> Simple question.
> 
> I launch xclock, and it traps focus. The only way to break free
> is to have 'focus follows mouse' enabled, and move mouse cursor to a different
> window. In a scenario like: empty desktop with xclock as a solitary float,
> there's no other window to transport focus to (which otherwise could have
> been done by aforementioned mousecursor movement) so one is stuck for good
> (only able to escape by ctrl+alt+fX and pkill xclock).
> 
> What's so special about it? Did Tuomo V hate MIT?
> 
> My version is a git snapshot, commit a322b0ffa82fde37ef1f134ae557dda251c32fba .
> 
> Merry Christmas/Xmas/Holidays/Whatever !
> -WA
> 
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[Notion-general] new notion release?

[Thomas K. <tk...@gi...>]

I just noticed the last release was in 2015. Can we have a new one,
please? :)

Thanks,
 Thomas

Re: [Notion-general] debian menu

[Arnout E. <no...@bz...>]

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Wojciech Aniszewski <
ani...@da...> wrote:

> about package mantainers. I repeat, I'm NOT using a debian package. Notion
> is built
> from git snapshot. However, my ~/.notion dates back to 2009 when I started
> using ion3, and there are snippets left there dating back to some versions
> I could've been using.
>

I think that's exactly what's going on here: debian-menu.lua was part of
the Debian package, but not part of Notion.

It seems the debian-menu lua package is automatically generated by some
script from the debian packaging (
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/notion.git/tree/debian/notion.menu-method
).

I think it'd make sense to have something in notion (perhaps contrib)
itself instead of relying on the packaging, but then perhaps we should go
directly for the freedesktop approach and skip the Debian menu system?


Arnout


>
> w
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 12:38:09AM -0800, Dima Kogan wrote:
> > Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@da...> writes:
> >
> > > Yes I do have that package. You see, depreceated or not, if other WMs
> can acces
> > > this info (or, for that matter, programs such as 'pdmenu') then why
> not Notion.
> > > It's more about the failed Notion functionality than menu itself.
> Which brings
> > > me back to the issue: in cfg_notioncore.lua I see something like:
> > >
> > > 404 -- Auto-generated Debian menu definitions
> > > 405 if os and os.execute("test -x /usr/bin/update-menus") == 0 then
> > > 406     if notioncore.is_i18n() then
> > > 407         dopath("debian-menu-i18n")
> > > 408     else
> > > 409         dopath("debian-menu")
> > > 410     end
> > > 411 end
> > >
> > > and I don't think the 'debian-menu' module even exists. I'm not sure
> if it was built,
> > > as I'm using a snapshot, perhaps I should enable it somewhere at build
> time.
> >
> > OK. It works here. I have this:
> >
> >
> >     dima@shorty:~/.notion$ ls -l /usr/share/notion/debian-menu*
> >
> >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Jul 14  2016 /usr/share/notion/debian-menu-i18n.lua
> -> /var/lib/notion/debian-menu-i18n.lua
> >     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Jul 14  2016 /usr/share/notion/debian-menu.lua
> -> /var/lib/notion/debian-menu.lua
> >
> >
> >     dima@shorty:~/.notion$ ls -l /var/lib/notion
> >
> >     -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14196 Jan 18 14:03 debian-menu-i18n.lua
> >     -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14196 Jan 18 14:03 debian-menu.lua
> >
> >
> >     dima@shorty:~/.notion$ head /var/lib/notion/debian-menu.lua
> >
> >     -- Automatically generated file. Do not edit.
> >     -- (See /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz)
> >
> >     defmenu("Debian/Applications/Accessibility", {
> >         menuentry("xbindkeys", "ioncore.exec('/usr/bin/xbindkeys')"),
> >         menuentry("Xmag", "ioncore.exec('xmag')"),
> >         menuentry("Xzoom", "ioncore.exec('xzoom')"),
> >     })
> >
> >     defmenu("Debian/Applications/Data Management", {
> >
> >
> > The menu-updater presumably creates the files in /var/lib, and the links
> > maybe are supposed to exist always. What are you missing?
> >
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Re: [Notion-general] debian menu

[Wojciech A. <ani...@da...>]

Thanks. I'm missing everything:

wojciech@orion:~$ ls -l /usr/share/notion/debian-menu*
ls: cannot access '/usr/share/notion/debian-menu*': No such file or directory
wojciech@orion:~$ ls -l /var/lib/notion
ls: cannot access '/var/lib/notion': No such file or directory

btw in my system, it's /usr/local/share/notion. But debian-menus are still not there. (It's: ion-completeman  ion-runinxterm  notion-lock  welcome.cs.txt  welcome.fi.txt  welcome.txt).
The libs in my system are in /usr/local/lib/notion. Here's a tree of that dir, no remote signs of debian packages.
.
├── bin
│   ├── ion-completefile
│   ├── ion-statusd
│   └── notionflux
├── lc
│   ├── de.lc
│   ├── ioncore_bindings.lc
│   ├── ioncore_efbb.lc
│   ├── ioncore_ext.lc
│   ├── ioncore_luaext.lc
│   ├── ioncore_menudb.lc
│   ├── ioncore_misc.lc
│   ├── ioncore_quasiact.lc
│   ├── ioncore_tabnum.lc
│   ├── ioncore_wd.lc
│   ├── ioncore_winprops.lc
│   ├── mod_dock.lc
│   ├── mod_menu.lc
│   ├── mod_notionflux.lc
│   ├── mod_query_chdir.lc
│   ├── mod_query.lc
│   ├── mod_sm.lc
│   ├── mod_sp.lc
│   ├── mod_statusbar.lc
│   ├── mod_tiling.lc
│   ├── mod_xinerama.lc
│   ├── mod_xkbevents.lc
│   ├── mod_xrandr.lc
│   ├── statusd_date.lc
│   ├── statusd_load.lc
│   └── statusd_mail.lc
└── mod
    ├── de.so
    ├── mod_dock.so
    ├── mod_menu.so
    ├── mod_notionflux.so
    ├── mod_query.so
    ├── mod_sm.so
    ├── mod_sp.so
    ├── mod_statusbar.so
    ├── mod_tiling.so
    ├── mod_xinerama.so
    ├── mod_xkbevents.so
    └── mod_xrandr.so
		

Now, about package mantainers. I repeat, I'm NOT using a debian package. Notion is built
from git snapshot. However, my ~/.notion dates back to 2009 when I started using ion3, and
there are snippets left there dating back to some versions I could've been using.

w


On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 12:38:09AM -0800, Dima Kogan wrote:
> Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@da...> writes:
> 
> > Yes I do have that package. You see, depreceated or not, if other WMs can acces
> > this info (or, for that matter, programs such as 'pdmenu') then why not Notion.
> > It's more about the failed Notion functionality than menu itself. Which brings
> > me back to the issue: in cfg_notioncore.lua I see something like:
> >
> > 404 -- Auto-generated Debian menu definitions
> > 405 if os and os.execute("test -x /usr/bin/update-menus") == 0 then
> > 406     if notioncore.is_i18n() then
> > 407         dopath("debian-menu-i18n")
> > 408     else
> > 409         dopath("debian-menu")
> > 410     end
> > 411 end
> >
> > and I don't think the 'debian-menu' module even exists. I'm not sure if it was built,
> > as I'm using a snapshot, perhaps I should enable it somewhere at build time.
> 
> OK. It works here. I have this:
> 
> 
>     dima@shorty:~/.notion$ ls -l /usr/share/notion/debian-menu*
> 
>     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Jul 14  2016 /usr/share/notion/debian-menu-i18n.lua -> /var/lib/notion/debian-menu-i18n.lua
>     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Jul 14  2016 /usr/share/notion/debian-menu.lua -> /var/lib/notion/debian-menu.lua
> 
> 
>     dima@shorty:~/.notion$ ls -l /var/lib/notion
> 
>     -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14196 Jan 18 14:03 debian-menu-i18n.lua
>     -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14196 Jan 18 14:03 debian-menu.lua
> 
> 
>     dima@shorty:~/.notion$ head /var/lib/notion/debian-menu.lua
> 
>     -- Automatically generated file. Do not edit.
>     -- (See /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz)
> 
>     defmenu("Debian/Applications/Accessibility", {
>         menuentry("xbindkeys", "ioncore.exec('/usr/bin/xbindkeys')"),
>         menuentry("Xmag", "ioncore.exec('xmag')"),
>         menuentry("Xzoom", "ioncore.exec('xzoom')"),
>     })
> 
>     defmenu("Debian/Applications/Data Management", {
> 
> 
> The menu-updater presumably creates the files in /var/lib, and the links
> maybe are supposed to exist always. What are you missing?
> 
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Re: [Notion-general] debian menu

[Dima K. <no...@di...>]

Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@da...> writes:

> Yes I do have that package. You see, depreceated or not, if other WMs can acces
> this info (or, for that matter, programs such as 'pdmenu') then why not Notion.
> It's more about the failed Notion functionality than menu itself. Which brings
> me back to the issue: in cfg_notioncore.lua I see something like:
>
> 404 -- Auto-generated Debian menu definitions
> 405 if os and os.execute("test -x /usr/bin/update-menus") == 0 then
> 406     if notioncore.is_i18n() then
> 407         dopath("debian-menu-i18n")
> 408     else
> 409         dopath("debian-menu")
> 410     end
> 411 end
>
> and I don't think the 'debian-menu' module even exists. I'm not sure if it was built,
> as I'm using a snapshot, perhaps I should enable it somewhere at build time.

OK. It works here. I have this:


    dima@shorty:~/.notion$ ls -l /usr/share/notion/debian-menu*

    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 Jul 14  2016 /usr/share/notion/debian-menu-i18n.lua -> /var/lib/notion/debian-menu-i18n.lua
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Jul 14  2016 /usr/share/notion/debian-menu.lua -> /var/lib/notion/debian-menu.lua


    dima@shorty:~/.notion$ ls -l /var/lib/notion

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14196 Jan 18 14:03 debian-menu-i18n.lua
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14196 Jan 18 14:03 debian-menu.lua


    dima@shorty:~/.notion$ head /var/lib/notion/debian-menu.lua

    -- Automatically generated file. Do not edit.
    -- (See /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz)

    defmenu("Debian/Applications/Accessibility", {
        menuentry("xbindkeys", "ioncore.exec('/usr/bin/xbindkeys')"),
        menuentry("Xmag", "ioncore.exec('xmag')"),
        menuentry("Xzoom", "ioncore.exec('xzoom')"),
    })

    defmenu("Debian/Applications/Data Management", {


The menu-updater presumably creates the files in /var/lib, and the links
maybe are supposed to exist always. What are you missing?

Re: [Notion-general] debian menu

[Ole J. B. <ole...@ya...>]

Quite sure that snippet from cfg_notioncore.lua is added by the debian maintainer. No sign of it in the official repo, and grepping though some stuff I find it in an old folder I have lying around containing an old ion3.deb unpacked. 


> Yes I do have that package. You see, depreceated or not, if other WMs can acces
> this info (or, for that matter, programs such as 'pdmenu') then why not Notion.
> It's more about the failed Notion functionality than menu itself. Which brings
> me back to the issue: in cfg_notioncore.lua I see something like:
> 
> 404 -- Auto-generated Debian menu definitions
> 405 if os and os.execute("test -x /usr/bin/update-menus") == 0 then
> 406    if notioncore.is_i18n() then
> 407        dopath("debian-menu-i18n")
> 408    else
> 409        dopath("debian-menu")
> 410    end
> 411 end
> 
> and I don't think the 'debian-menu' module even exists. I'm not sure if it was built,
> as I'm using a snapshot, perhaps I should enable it somewhere at build time.
> 
> regards
> W

Re: [Notion-general] debian menu

[Wojciech A. <ani...@da...>]

Yes I do have that package. You see, depreceated or not, if other WMs can acces
this info (or, for that matter, programs such as 'pdmenu') then why not Notion.
It's more about the failed Notion functionality than menu itself. Which brings
me back to the issue: in cfg_notioncore.lua I see something like:

404 -- Auto-generated Debian menu definitions
405 if os and os.execute("test -x /usr/bin/update-menus") == 0 then
406     if notioncore.is_i18n() then
407         dopath("debian-menu-i18n")
408     else
409         dopath("debian-menu")
410     end
411 end

and I don't think the 'debian-menu' module even exists. I'm not sure if it was built,
as I'm using a snapshot, perhaps I should enable it somewhere at build time.

regards
W

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 05:28:33PM -0800, Dima Kogan wrote:
> Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@da...> writes:
> 
> > I'm using Notion in Debian. For some 4 years if I remember I've never
> > seen a functioning 'Debian' part of the menu. That's obviously
> > regardless of whether I use old-school of query-menus. (btw I'm using
> > oldschool). So there's "Debian" part of it, which remains empty. I
> > could envision it beeing useful. I fired up Awesome WM today (I do it
> > every now and then to refresh its config files or if comparing with
> > Notion) and it had this menu functional, which actually led me to
> > rediscovering an application I forgot I had installed...
> 
> Hi. The menu system is now deprecated in Debian (in favor of freedesktop
> files in /usr/share/applications), and perhaps that's what you're
> seeing. Do you have the 'menu' package installed?

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Institut ∂'Alembert

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Re: [Notion-general] debian menu

[Dima K. <no...@di...>]

Wojciech Aniszewski <ani...@da...> writes:

> I'm using Notion in Debian. For some 4 years if I remember I've never
> seen a functioning 'Debian' part of the menu. That's obviously
> regardless of whether I use old-school of query-menus. (btw I'm using
> oldschool). So there's "Debian" part of it, which remains empty. I
> could envision it beeing useful. I fired up Awesome WM today (I do it
> every now and then to refresh its config files or if comparing with
> Notion) and it had this menu functional, which actually led me to
> rediscovering an application I forgot I had installed...

Hi. The menu system is now deprecated in Debian (in favor of freedesktop
files in /usr/share/applications), and perhaps that's what you're
seeing. Do you have the 'menu' package installed?