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Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

Updated

Bernd Eidenschink wrote:
> Hi Vlad, Stephen,
> 
> looks good!
> 
> Just (dist-)compiled on an Ubuntu 7.04, tomorrow I'll give it a try on a
> SuSE Enterprise Linux (all 32bit).
> 
> One little thing, isn't the message:
> "You can now run NaviServer by typing one of the commands below:"
> too optimistic - in case you compile to /usr/local/<foo>, you
> must be root; if you then try to use one of the three examples you have
> to specify a non-privileged user and group - but then nslog throws a
> 'Permission denied' for opening the access.log...
> 
> E.g. we should add something like:
> 
> "You can now run NaviServer by 
> a) replacing <user> and <group> with an existing non-privileged system
> user and group you want the server to run as
> b) making the log directory writable:
> chgrp <group> path/logs 
> chmod g+rwx path/logs
> 
> Choose from one of the following commands:"
> 
> 
>> fixed
>>
>> Stephen Deasey wrote:
>>> You're not checking the tarball (which is what we distribute), you're
>>> checking a CVS checkout.
>>>
>>> You need to:
>>>
>>> cvs export naviserver
>>> cd naviserver
>>> ./autogen.sh ...
>>> make dist
>>> cd /tmp
>>> tar xzf ~/naviserver/naviserver-4.99.2.tar.gz
>>> cd naviserver-4.99.2
>>> ./configure ...
>>> make
>>> make install
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Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Bernd E. <eid...@we...>]

Hi Vlad, Stephen,

looks good!

Just (dist-)compiled on an Ubuntu 7.04, tomorrow I'll give it a try on a
SuSE Enterprise Linux (all 32bit).

One little thing, isn't the message:
"You can now run NaviServer by typing one of the commands below:"
too optimistic - in case you compile to /usr/local/<foo>, you
must be root; if you then try to use one of the three examples you have
to specify a non-privileged user and group - but then nslog throws a
'Permission denied' for opening the access.log...

E.g. we should add something like:

"You can now run NaviServer by 
a) replacing <user> and <group> with an existing non-privileged system
user and group you want the server to run as
b) making the log directory writable:
chgrp <group> path/logs 
chmod g+rwx path/logs

Choose from one of the following commands:"


> 
> fixed
> 
> Stephen Deasey wrote:
> > You're not checking the tarball (which is what we distribute), you're
> > checking a CVS checkout.
> > 
> > You need to:
> > 
> > cvs export naviserver
> > cd naviserver
> > ./autogen.sh ...
> > make dist
> > cd /tmp
> > tar xzf ~/naviserver/naviserver-4.99.2.tar.gz
> > cd naviserver-4.99.2
> > ./configure ...
> > make
> > make install

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Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

fixed

Stephen Deasey wrote:
> You're not checking the tarball (which is what we distribute), you're
> checking a CVS checkout.
> 
> You need to:
> 
> cvs export naviserver
> cd naviserver
> ./autogen.sh ...
> make dist
> cd /tmp
> tar xzf ~/naviserver/naviserver-4.99.2.tar.gz
> cd naviserver-4.99.2
> ./configure ...
> make
> make install
> 
> So, it looks like 'make dist' is bust.
> 
> 
> On 5/12/07, Vlad Seryakov <vl...@cr...> wrote:
>> CVS HEAD just got installed fine on my Linux, it was fine for a long
>> time, must've been something with your checkout
>>
>>> Some install errors:
>>>
>>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sd/tmp/naviserver-4.99.2/nsproxy'
>>> cp: cannot stat `nsd-config.tcl': No such file or directory
>>> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
>>> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
>>> cp: cannot stat `simple-config.tcl': No such file or directory
>>> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
>>> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
>>> cp: cannot stat `index.adp': No such file or directory
>>> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
>>> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
>>>
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Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

You're not checking the tarball (which is what we distribute), you're
checking a CVS checkout.

You need to:

cvs export naviserver
cd naviserver
./autogen.sh ...
make dist
cd /tmp
tar xzf ~/naviserver/naviserver-4.99.2.tar.gz
cd naviserver-4.99.2
./configure ...
make
make install

So, it looks like 'make dist' is bust.


On 5/12/07, Vlad Seryakov <vl...@cr...> wrote:
> CVS HEAD just got installed fine on my Linux, it was fine for a long
> time, must've been something with your checkout
>
> > Some install errors:
> >
> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sd/tmp/naviserver-4.99.2/nsproxy'
> > cp: cannot stat `nsd-config.tcl': No such file or directory
> > chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
> > mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
> > cp: cannot stat `simple-config.tcl': No such file or directory
> > chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
> > mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
> > cp: cannot stat `index.adp': No such file or directory
> > chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
> > mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
> >
>
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Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

CVS HEAD just got installed fine on my Linux, it was fine for a long 
time, must've been something with your checkout

> Some install errors:
> 
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sd/tmp/naviserver-4.99.2/nsproxy'
> cp: cannot stat `nsd-config.tcl': No such file or directory
> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
> cp: cannot stat `simple-config.tcl': No such file or directory
> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
> cp: cannot stat `index.adp': No such file or directory
> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
> 

Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

Good stuff. i'll finalize install and config issues, i do not have 
64bits systems so cannot check that

Stephen Deasey wrote:
> On 5/12/07, Vlad Seryakov <vl...@cr...> wrote:
>> Can we publish release, no many features were added recently, it is stable?
>>
>> i am using it at my new work and it would be better to have last
>> official release than last development snapshot only. Now it looks
>> pretty much abandoned with our last release almost 2 years ago.
> 
> 
> 4.99.1 was released 2006-02-04, so 'only'  ~1 year ago, but yeah, we
> should release another one... :-)
> 
> There are are some things which are kind of broken, but they've been
> so for a while so I guess we'll get to it when we get to it.  Every
> one is using CVS head anyway so we might as well call it what it is: a
> release.
> 
> 
> Now would be a great time to some final clean ups --
> 
> Has anyone built it on Windows lately? I'm sure we've added new source
> files but I don't recall seeing any changes to the Windows build
> stuff.
> 
> Does it build and run OK for people on their weird platform of choice?
> 
> I tried on ia64/linux on HP's build farm while trying out some
> autoconf changes and it segfaults during early start up with an
> alignment error. Maybe this is to do with the logging changes? Haven't
> had a chance to look at this yet...
> 
> Need to trawl backwards through the ChangeLog and see if there's
> anything interesting that should be added to the NEWS file.
> 
> Would be nice to fix up the sample-config.tcl, I think a lot of things
> have changed.  This is a lot easier to check now with a simple grep
> -C3 Ns_Config *.c
> 
> If anyone feels like making a final push with documentation, now would
> be a good time. Even just consolidating some of the many single pages
> into a group of related commands on one page makes a big difference,
> IMHO.
> 
> e.g. http://www.crystalballinc.com/vlad/software/naviserver/files/mann/ns_atsignal.html
> here the commands are arranged in the order they fire within the
> lifetime of the server.
> 
> Some build warnings:
> 
> adpparse.c: In function 'NsAdpParse':
> adpparse.c:219: warning: 'ae' may be used uninitialized in this function
> adpparse.c:219: warning: 'as' may be used uninitialized in this function
> adpparse.c:218: warning: 'script' may be used uninitialized in this function
> adpparse.c:217: warning: 'tagPtr' may be used uninitialized in this function
> tclhttp.c:36: warning: 'RCSID' defined but not used
> 
> Some install errors:
> 
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sd/tmp/naviserver-4.99.2/nsproxy'
> cp: cannot stat `nsd-config.tcl': No such file or directory
> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
> cp: cannot stat `simple-config.tcl': No such file or directory
> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
> cp: cannot stat `index.adp': No such file or directory
> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
> 
> 
> Should we give it a week or so for people to do what they need to do
> and then aim for a release?
> 
> 
> Here's a snapshot tarball for people to test. I'll update it as
> updates enter CVS:
> 
> http://naviserver.sourceforge.net/snapshots/naviserver-4.99.2.tar.gz
> 
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Re: [naviserver-devel] Release

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 5/12/07, Vlad Seryakov <vl...@cr...> wrote:
> Can we publish release, no many features were added recently, it is stable?
>
> i am using it at my new work and it would be better to have last
> official release than last development snapshot only. Now it looks
> pretty much abandoned with our last release almost 2 years ago.


4.99.1 was released 2006-02-04, so 'only'  ~1 year ago, but yeah, we
should release another one... :-)

There are are some things which are kind of broken, but they've been
so for a while so I guess we'll get to it when we get to it.  Every
one is using CVS head anyway so we might as well call it what it is: a
release.


Now would be a great time to some final clean ups --

Has anyone built it on Windows lately? I'm sure we've added new source
files but I don't recall seeing any changes to the Windows build
stuff.

Does it build and run OK for people on their weird platform of choice?

I tried on ia64/linux on HP's build farm while trying out some
autoconf changes and it segfaults during early start up with an
alignment error. Maybe this is to do with the logging changes? Haven't
had a chance to look at this yet...

Need to trawl backwards through the ChangeLog and see if there's
anything interesting that should be added to the NEWS file.

Would be nice to fix up the sample-config.tcl, I think a lot of things
have changed.  This is a lot easier to check now with a simple grep
-C3 Ns_Config *.c

If anyone feels like making a final push with documentation, now would
be a good time. Even just consolidating some of the many single pages
into a group of related commands on one page makes a big difference,
IMHO.

e.g. http://www.crystalballinc.com/vlad/software/naviserver/files/mann/ns_atsignal.html
here the commands are arranged in the order they fire within the
lifetime of the server.

Some build warnings:

adpparse.c: In function 'NsAdpParse':
adpparse.c:219: warning: 'ae' may be used uninitialized in this function
adpparse.c:219: warning: 'as' may be used uninitialized in this function
adpparse.c:218: warning: 'script' may be used uninitialized in this function
adpparse.c:217: warning: 'tagPtr' may be used uninitialized in this function
tclhttp.c:36: warning: 'RCSID' defined but not used

Some install errors:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sd/tmp/naviserver-4.99.2/nsproxy'
cp: cannot stat `nsd-config.tcl': No such file or directory
chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19638#': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `simple-config.tcl': No such file or directory
chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/conf/#inst.19652#': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `index.adp': No such file or directory
chmod: cannot access `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `/tmp/ns/pages/#inst.19660#': No such file or directory


Should we give it a week or so for people to do what they need to do
and then aim for a release?


Here's a snapshot tarball for people to test. I'll update it as
updates enter CVS:

http://naviserver.sourceforge.net/snapshots/naviserver-4.99.2.tar.gz

[naviserver-devel] Release

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

Can we publish release, no many features were added recently, it is stable?

i am using it at my new work and it would be better to have last 
official release than last development snapshot only. Now it looks 
pretty much abandoned with our last release almost 2 years ago.

Re: [naviserver-devel] [naviserver-commits] naviserver/include ns.h, 1.113, 1.114

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

Nothing, just to be consistent, remember different troubles with int8_t 
and family on different unixes

Stephen Deasey wrote:
> On 4/27/07, Vlad Seryakov <ser...@us...> wrote:
>> Log Message:
>>         ns include/ns.h: Similar to ns_int64 defined same types
>>         for 8, 16, 32 bits as well to have common basic types
> 
> 
> What's wrong with <stdint.h> ?
> 
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Re: [naviserver-devel] [naviserver-commits] naviserver/include ns.h, 1.113, 1.114

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/27/07, Vlad Seryakov <ser...@us...> wrote:
>
> Log Message:
>         ns include/ns.h: Similar to ns_int64 defined same types
>         for 8, 16, 32 bits as well to have common basic types


What's wrong with <stdint.h> ?

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 06.04.2007 um 18:26 schrieb Stephen Deasey:

> So, everybody is not breaking the GPL. Specifically, the people who
> bought other licences aren't even subject to it.

Lets put it this way:

I buy mysql and write a driver that dynamically links to mysql libs.
According to what you just said, I need not worry about being GPL
"infected". Then I deliver my driver to broader user audience, where
some of them have and some have not bought the db.

Do I need to worry about licensing issues (GPL in particular)?

As the matter of fact I can also put this driver (not source, the  
binary)
to a public site everybody can load and use. Is that right?

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/6/07, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Am 06.04.2007 um 17:06 schrieb Stephen Deasey:
>
> > It's their code, they can licence it n different ways, and they have.
> > Your choice of:
> >
> >   - GPL plus exception for linking other OSI approved licenced code
> >  - purchase a licence from MySQL AB
>
> I do not think we understand each other. If the company X
> purchased MySQL and designed a driver they use to connect
> to it (closed source) to what libs are they linking?
> You say: there are only GPL libraries. So *everybody* is
> linking to GPL libraries, regardless what they purchased
> from mysql ab. Is that right?
> If yes, then everybody is violating GPL.
> If not then there are different libraries: GPL'ed and
> non-GPL'ed.


No.  It's not GPL code, it's code under a GPL (plus exceptions) licence.

If you purchase another licence, then the GPL licence terms don't
apply to you. You abide by the terms of the new licence.

Although you refer to the GPL as viral, I don't think that means the
binaries have actual physical cooties you can see under a microscope.
So you don't have to throw away Bob's contaminated GPL libraries and
use special non-GPL libraries from MySQL AB.

So, everybody is not breaking the GPL. Specifically, the people who
bought other licences aren't even subject to it.

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 06.04.2007 um 17:06 schrieb Stephen Deasey:

> It's their code, they can licence it n different ways, and they have.
> Your choice of:
>
>   - GPL plus exception for linking other OSI approved licenced code
>  - purchase a licence from MySQL AB

I do not think we understand each other. If the company X
purchased MySQL and designed a driver they use to connect
to it (closed source) to what libs are they linking?
You say: there are only GPL libraries. So *everybody* is
linking to GPL libraries, regardless what they purchased
from mysql ab. Is that right?
If yes, then everybody is violating GPL.
If not then there are different libraries: GPL'ed and
non-GPL'ed.

Another example: company X writes a driver to connect to mysql
instance on a customer site. That instance is a bought from
mysql. The company X also bought mysql and linked their driver
with purchased code. I assume no problem for X to go to A
and sit on his mysql insatance (as both bought the software).
The company X goes to customer B. The customer B has NOT bought
mysql. Is company X violating GPL by attaching to the myaql
instance at the customer B?

I still cannot believe this "all mysql libs are GPL".
If this is true then *everybody* is violating GPL.

I understand they have made an exception to FOSS. But then, only
GPL AND FOSS licenses are not violating GPL! All other commercial
users ARE!??? Absolutely weird...

(Disclaimer: I know you are not a mysql employee nor paid by mysql to
answer those questions...)

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/6/07, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Am 06.04.2007 um 16:35 schrieb Stephen Deasey:
>
> >
> > They must have bought a licence.
>
> BUT... they MUST link against a GPL'ed libraries
> of MySQL, because you say:
>
> >>    The MySQL driver libs are GPL.


It's their code, they can licence it n different ways, and they have.
Your choice of:

  - GPL plus exception for linking other OSI approved licenced code
 - purchase a licence from MySQL AB

If you don't like their GPL plus exception licence, you'll need to
purchase another one.

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 06.04.2007 um 16:35 schrieb Stephen Deasey:

>
> They must have bought a licence.

BUT... they MUST link against a GPL'ed libraries
of MySQL, because you say:

>>    The MySQL driver libs are GPL.

Would that mean that they can deliver the mysql
in their product BUT would NOT be allowed to
talk to it because to talk to it they need to
link-in their libs and the libs are GPL?

If their libs are *all* GPL then NO APPLICATION ON EARTH
can talk to Mysql without risking being infected with
GPL virus. Because to talk to it, you need the libraries.
And the libs are GPL'ed. Vicious circle...

I still cannot believe this is true, as this
is totally, universally and absolutely ridiculous.

  

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/6/07, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Am 06.04.2007 um 16:16 schrieb Stephen Deasey:
>
> >
> > The MySQL driver libs are GPL. They licenced them this way (they used
> > to be public domain IIRC) exactly to create the situation you suggest
> > -- that people would be forced to buy a licence if they didn't want to
> > GPL their linked program.
> >
> > I only remember this because there was a lot of loud complaining at
> > the time, and PHP stopped shipping the MySQL driver.
> >
> > What I wasn't aware of was that they've introduced a special
> > exception. I guess this is how they resolved the issue:
> >
> >     http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/foss-exception.html
> >
> > So, looks like the driver can be dual Mozilla/GPL like the rest of the
> > code (assuming Dossy agrees).
>
> I still not get it.
>
> A well-known vendor of a Mac/Unix networking package in USA
> uses mysql (and delivers it) within their own product.
> Their product isn't open sourced. Not a single line.
>
> Are they violating GPL?


They must have bought a licence.

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 06.04.2007 um 16:16 schrieb Stephen Deasey:

>
> The MySQL driver libs are GPL. They licenced them this way (they used
> to be public domain IIRC) exactly to create the situation you suggest
> -- that people would be forced to buy a licence if they didn't want to
> GPL their linked program.
>
> I only remember this because there was a lot of loud complaining at
> the time, and PHP stopped shipping the MySQL driver.
>
> What I wasn't aware of was that they've introduced a special
> exception. I guess this is how they resolved the issue:
>
>     http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/foss-exception.html
>
> So, looks like the driver can be dual Mozilla/GPL like the rest of the
> code (assuming Dossy agrees).

I still not get it.

A well-known vendor of a Mac/Unix networking package in USA
uses mysql (and delivers it) within their own product.
Their product isn't open sourced. Not a single line.

Are they violating GPL?

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/6/07, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Am 06.04.2007 um 15:54 schrieb Stephen Deasey:
>
> > Yeah, you can buy  a licence for yourself, but you still can't release
> > the driver to the public non-GPL (assuming the libs are still GPL
> > only).
>
> This is what I doubt: "assuming the libs are still GPL only"
>
> Look: if they licensed ALL their libs as GPL then I know of
> at least a dozen of commercial products that embedd (and
> deliver in a shrinkwrapped package) mysql database and code.
> According to that, all those guys would be actually violating
> GPL? I cannot simply believe that. If this IS really true then
> I peacefully accept ourselves be just one of the MANY.
> But I seriously doubt so.


The MySQL driver libs are GPL. They licenced them this way (they used
to be public domain IIRC) exactly to create the situation you suggest
-- that people would be forced to buy a licence if they didn't want to
GPL their linked program.

I only remember this because there was a lot of loud complaining at
the time, and PHP stopped shipping the MySQL driver.

What I wasn't aware of was that they've introduced a special
exception. I guess this is how they resolved the issue:

    http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/foss-exception.html

So, looks like the driver can be dual Mozilla/GPL like the rest of the
code (assuming Dossy agrees).

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 06.04.2007 um 15:54 schrieb Stephen Deasey:

> Yeah, you can buy  a licence for yourself, but you still can't release
> the driver to the public non-GPL (assuming the libs are still GPL
> only).

This is what I doubt: "assuming the libs are still GPL only"

Look: if they licensed ALL their libs as GPL then I know of
at least a dozen of commercial products that embedd (and
deliver in a shrinkwrapped package) mysql database and code.
According to that, all those guys would be actually violating
GPL? I cannot simply believe that. If this IS really true then
I peacefully accept ourselves be just one of the MANY.
But I seriously doubt so.

  

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/6/07, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Am 06.04.2007 um 14:25 schrieb Stephen Deasey:
>
> >
> > MySQL AB changed the licence for the client libraries to GPL some time
> > ago to try to ensure that anyone linking to them also had to release
> > their code under the GPL.  The driver should probably be GPL.
>
> Hm... not necessarily... they actually offer commercial DB as well.
> You can perfectly well BUY mysql. So it is not that simple as it
> seems on the first glance. I cannot imagine all their libs are GPL
> as that would mean that no commercial package may link against them
> without letting the GPL virus inside...


Yeah, you can buy  a licence for yourself, but you still can't release
the driver to the public non-GPL (assuming the libs are still GPL
only).


> > If this is for a product you're shipping you might want to investigate
> > further. If this is for your website it doesn't matter.
>
> It is actually for interfacing to an existing mysql instance that
> we do not "own" or deliver. We just need to attach there and do
> some data-mining.
>
> >
> > If you import it, can you call it nsdbmysql, for consistency?
>
> Of course. Why not?


Well, because it's currently called nsmysql. The 'db' is to
distinguish it from the mythical 'dbi' drivers I keep threatening to
release...

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 06.04.2007 um 14:25 schrieb Stephen Deasey:

>
> MySQL AB changed the licence for the client libraries to GPL some time
> ago to try to ensure that anyone linking to them also had to release
> their code under the GPL.  The driver should probably be GPL.

Hm... not necessarily... they actually offer commercial DB as well.
You can perfectly well BUY mysql. So it is not that simple as it
seems on the first glance. I cannot imagine all their libs are GPL
as that would mean that no commercial package may link against them
without letting the GPL virus inside...

>
> If this is for a product you're shipping you might want to investigate
> further. If this is for your website it doesn't matter.

It is actually for interfacing to an existing mysql instance that
we do not "own" or deliver. We just need to attach there and do
some data-mining.

>
> If you import it, can you call it nsdbmysql, for consistency?

Of course. Why not?

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Stephen D. <sd...@gm...>]

On 4/5/07, Zoran Vasiljevic <zv...@ar...> wrote:
>
> Am 05.04.2007 um 16:29 schrieb Vlad Seryakov:
>
> > Sure, there were minors but i will try to get that module fro mmy
> > archives
>
> Interestingly, there was little-to-none development on
> this (nsmysql) module since about 4 years!
> I managed to get a copy from our sister-project.
> It bears no license so I do not know if we can get it
> or not. I guess yes and I guess the mozilla license
> should be applied to it as to the rest of the code.


You could ask... you should ask...  :-)  However:

MySQL AB changed the licence for the client libraries to GPL some time
ago to try to ensure that anyone linking to them also had to release
their code under the GPL.  The driver should probably be GPL.

If this is for a product you're shipping you might want to investigate
further. If this is for your website it doesn't matter.

If you import it, can you call it nsdbmysql, for consistency?

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

yes, the latest version is in AS CVS

Zoran Vasiljevic wrote:
> Am 05.04.2007 um 16:29 schrieb Vlad Seryakov:
> 
>> Sure, there were minors but i will try to get that module fro mmy  
>> archives
> 
> Interestingly, there was little-to-none development on
> this (nsmysql) module since about 4 years!
> I managed to get a copy from our sister-project.
> It bears no license so I do not know if we can get it
> or not. I guess yes and I guess the mozilla license
> should be applied to it as to the rest of the code.
> 
> This will be an interesing endeavour for us as we never
> used any DB interface out of the naviserver. But  now we
> need to have out so I must learn this part as well.
> Guess the learning curve will not be too steep...
> 
> Cheers
> Zoran
> 
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Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Zoran V. <zv...@ar...>]

Am 05.04.2007 um 16:29 schrieb Vlad Seryakov:

> Sure, there were minors but i will try to get that module fro mmy  
> archives

Interestingly, there was little-to-none development on
this (nsmysql) module since about 4 years!
I managed to get a copy from our sister-project.
It bears no license so I do not know if we can get it
or not. I guess yes and I guess the mozilla license
should be applied to it as to the rest of the code.

This will be an interesing endeavour for us as we never
used any DB interface out of the naviserver. But  now we
need to have out so I must learn this part as well.
Guess the learning curve will not be too steep...

Cheers
Zoran

Re: [naviserver-devel] mysql?

[Vlad S. <vl...@cr...>]

Sure, there were minors but i will try to get that module fro mmy archives

Zoran Vasiljevic wrote:
> Am 05.04.2007 um 16:09 schrieb Vlad Seryakov:
> 
>> We are using it, the version from AS or Dossy site i do not remember,
>> there were some changes i made, i always wanted to put into our CVS.
>> Not sure i can do it now, so Zoran you may find any version and  
>> import it
> 
> OK. So there is one working-module for mysql connection.
> If I import the code, would you apply your changes?
> 
> 
> 
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