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Re: [myhdl-list] Conference Plans: Perspective, Flyer, Sign, Classroom classes, Python Classes, Success Stories, Hardware Demo

[Kevin S. <sta...@gm...>]

Awesome, thanks. 



On Apr 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...> wrote:

> Gtkwave analog plot of fixed-point value.
> 
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> 
> On Apr 3, 2011 1:29 PM, "Kevin Stanton" <sta...@gm...> wrote:
> > That poster looks great!
> > 
> > I'm curious what waveform viewer is being shown in the middle in black and white? Is it gtkwave? I wasn't aware that it would allow plotting of an analog waveform (or is it an analog plot of a fixedpoint signal?)
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 1, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...> wrote:
> > 
> >> I was probably the last person in the world that should have attempt to generate a poster, but I did. If you think it is usable feel free to use it.
> >> 
> >> If anyone has suggestions I can try and incorporate them or send the source. We could create a wiki page for camp prep :)
> >> 
> >> Chris Felton
> >> 
> >> On 4/1/11 11:07 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
> >>> I have been reading the myhdl.org website. It is superbly done.
> >>> Very carefully written. Looks great. It is not even his native
> >>> language, but I could not tell. It makes me expect the software will be
> >>> as carefully done. It looks like a labor of love.
> >>> 
> >>> My perspective on this is that it is an obvious way to rapidly
> >>> design and thoroughly test new hardware designs. But somehow the rest of
> >>> the world does not see it this way. It needs some marketing push.
> >>> 
> >>> I think the most important thing for the trade show is the flyer.
> >>> Let everyone get a page of material to take home, they can read it
> >>> later, download the software, and read the website. There is great
> >>> content on
> >>> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/start
> >>> 
> >>> and
> >>> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/why
> >>> 
> >>> The next most important thing is a sign. I think it is easy to print up
> >>> a big black and white sign across multiple sheets of paper
> >>> 
> >>> MyHDL = Python -> FPGA
> >>> 
> >>> Then I can scotch tape them together, and put them up on the wall.
> >>> 
> >>> But it is always good to make money off things. It means it is
> >>> alive. What do people need to get started. Well the best thing would
> >>> be a class. Go to the show, get a flyer, go home read it look at the
> >>> web site, go sign up for a class. I read that some of these design
> >>> tools cost $100,000 for 1 seat for a year. Amazing. Surely they could
> >>> spring $1,000 for a class. Does anyone want to teach a class in this
> >>> stuff. We could say 5 student minimum.
> >>> 
> >>> As for python classes, I am glad to see there is now a data
> >>> structure class. That is a step in the right direction. There was
> >>> recently a discussion on floating point classes. The hardware engineers
> >>> said it is too inefficient, just define the range for your application.
> >>> The software engineers like myself, say just give us the floating point
> >>> classes. I do not know the ranges. Some of the FPGA devices have
> >>> floating point multipliers. How do I talk to them? By writing my own
> >>> class. Ridiculous. Give me the class please.
> >>> 
> >>> A rich class library is a sign of a mature python library. They
> >>> talk about ip cores in this industry. Yes I would like python designs
> >>> for ethernet interface, usb interface, etc. And certainly for floating
> >>> point, and for a whole bunch of other stuff.
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you for the offer of the hardware demo. I have not sent
> >>> Christopher Felton my mailing address. I think that demo targets the
> >>> wrong market. It uses a FPGA to generate some sounds. I think it
> >>> targets the hobbyist market. The money is in the major corporations.
> >>> What they want to do is minimize their risk. They want to see large
> >>> complex designs that have been produced with this tool suite. They want
> >>> us to argue that python allows for complex test suites, further reducing
> >>> their risks.
> >>> 
> >>> So does anyone have some complex designs, preferably that went to
> >>> silicon that we can show and simulate? Is anyone interested in offering
> >>> a MyHDL class?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> <myhdl_fpgacamp.pdf>
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Re: [myhdl-list] Conference Plans: Perspective, Flyer, Sign, Classroom classes, Python Classes, Success Stories, Hardware Demo

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

Gtkwave analog plot of fixed-point value.

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On Apr 3, 2011 1:29 PM, "Kevin Stanton" <sta...@gm...> wrote:
> That poster looks great!
>
> I'm curious what waveform viewer is being shown in the middle in black and
white? Is it gtkwave? I wasn't aware that it would allow plotting of an
analog waveform (or is it an analog plot of a fixedpoint signal?)
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...>
wrote:
>
>> I was probably the last person in the world that should have attempt to
generate a poster, but I did. If you think it is usable feel free to use it.
>>
>> If anyone has suggestions I can try and incorporate them or send the
source. We could create a wiki page for camp prep :)
>>
>> Chris Felton
>>
>> On 4/1/11 11:07 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
>>> I have been reading the myhdl.org website. It is superbly done.
>>> Very carefully written. Looks great. It is not even his native
>>> language, but I could not tell. It makes me expect the software will be
>>> as carefully done. It looks like a labor of love.
>>>
>>> My perspective on this is that it is an obvious way to rapidly
>>> design and thoroughly test new hardware designs. But somehow the rest of
>>> the world does not see it this way. It needs some marketing push.
>>>
>>> I think the most important thing for the trade show is the flyer.
>>> Let everyone get a page of material to take home, they can read it
>>> later, download the software, and read the website. There is great
>>> content on
>>> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/start
>>>
>>> and
>>> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/why
>>>
>>> The next most important thing is a sign. I think it is easy to print up
>>> a big black and white sign across multiple sheets of paper
>>>
>>> MyHDL = Python -> FPGA
>>>
>>> Then I can scotch tape them together, and put them up on the wall.
>>>
>>> But it is always good to make money off things. It means it is
>>> alive. What do people need to get started. Well the best thing would
>>> be a class. Go to the show, get a flyer, go home read it look at the
>>> web site, go sign up for a class. I read that some of these design
>>> tools cost $100,000 for 1 seat for a year. Amazing. Surely they could
>>> spring $1,000 for a class. Does anyone want to teach a class in this
>>> stuff. We could say 5 student minimum.
>>>
>>> As for python classes, I am glad to see there is now a data
>>> structure class. That is a step in the right direction. There was
>>> recently a discussion on floating point classes. The hardware engineers
>>> said it is too inefficient, just define the range for your application.
>>> The software engineers like myself, say just give us the floating point
>>> classes. I do not know the ranges. Some of the FPGA devices have
>>> floating point multipliers. How do I talk to them? By writing my own
>>> class. Ridiculous. Give me the class please.
>>>
>>> A rich class library is a sign of a mature python library. They
>>> talk about ip cores in this industry. Yes I would like python designs
>>> for ethernet interface, usb interface, etc. And certainly for floating
>>> point, and for a whole bunch of other stuff.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the offer of the hardware demo. I have not sent
>>> Christopher Felton my mailing address. I think that demo targets the
>>> wrong market. It uses a FPGA to generate some sounds. I think it
>>> targets the hobbyist market. The money is in the major corporations.
>>> What they want to do is minimize their risk. They want to see large
>>> complex designs that have been produced with this tool suite. They want
>>> us to argue that python allows for complex test suites, further reducing
>>> their risks.
>>>
>>> So does anyone have some complex designs, preferably that went to
>>> silicon that we can show and simulate? Is anyone interested in offering
>>> a MyHDL class?
>>>
>>
>> <myhdl_fpgacamp.pdf>
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Re: [myhdl-list] Conference Plans: Perspective, Flyer, Sign, Classroom classes, Python Classes, Success Stories, Hardware Demo

[Kevin S. <sta...@gm...>]

That poster looks great!

I'm curious what waveform viewer is being shown in the middle in black and white? Is it gtkwave? I wasn't aware that it would allow plotting of an analog waveform (or is it an analog plot of a fixedpoint signal?)


On Apr 1, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Christopher Felton <chr...@gm...> wrote:

> I was probably the last person in the world that should have attempt to generate a poster, but I did.  If you think it is usable feel free to use it.
> 
> If anyone has suggestions I can try and incorporate them or send the source.  We could create a wiki page for camp prep :)
> 
> Chris Felton
> 
> On 4/1/11 11:07 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
>>       I have been reading the myhdl.org website.  It is superbly done.
>> Very carefully written.  Looks great.  It is not even his native
>> language, but I could not tell.  It makes me expect the software will be
>> as carefully done.   It looks like a labor of love.
>> 
>>      My perspective on this is that it is an obvious way to rapidly
>> design and thoroughly test new hardware designs. But somehow the rest of
>> the world does not see it this way.  It needs some marketing push.
>> 
>>      I think the most important thing for the trade show is the flyer.
>> Let everyone get a page of material to take home, they can read it
>> later, download the software, and read the website.  There is great
>> content on
>> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/start
>> 
>> and
>> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/why
>> 
>> The next most important thing is a sign.  I think it is easy to print up
>> a big black and white sign across multiple sheets of paper
>> 
>> MyHDL = Python ->  FPGA
>> 
>> Then I can scotch tape them together, and put them up on the wall.
>> 
>>     But it is always good to make money off things.  It means it is
>> alive.  What do people need to get started.  Well the best thing would
>> be a class.  Go to the show, get a flyer, go home read it look at the
>> web site, go sign up for a class.  I read that some of these design
>> tools cost $100,000 for 1 seat for a year.  Amazing.  Surely they could
>> spring $1,000 for a class.  Does anyone want to teach a class in this
>> stuff.  We could say 5 student minimum.
>> 
>>    As for python classes, I am glad to see there is now a data
>> structure class.  That is a step in the right direction. There was
>> recently a discussion on floating point classes.  The hardware engineers
>> said it is too inefficient, just define the range for your application.
>> The software engineers like myself, say just give us the floating point
>> classes.  I do not know the ranges.   Some of the FPGA devices have
>> floating point multipliers.   How do I talk to them?  By writing my own
>> class.  Ridiculous.  Give me the class please.
>> 
>>    A rich class library is a sign of a mature python library.  They
>> talk about ip cores in this industry.  Yes I would like python designs
>> for ethernet interface, usb interface, etc.  And certainly for floating
>> point, and for a whole bunch of other stuff.
>> 
>>    Thank you for the offer of the hardware demo.  I have not sent
>> Christopher Felton my mailing address.  I think that demo targets the
>> wrong market.  It uses a FPGA to generate some sounds.  I think it
>> targets the hobbyist market.  The money is in the major corporations.
>> What they want to do is minimize their risk.  They want to see large
>> complex designs that have been produced with this tool suite.  They want
>> us to argue that python allows for complex test suites, further reducing
>> their risks.
>> 
>>    So does anyone have some complex designs, preferably that went to
>> silicon that we can show and simulate?  Is anyone interested in offering
>> a MyHDL class?
>> 
> 
> <myhdl_fpgacamp.pdf>
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Re: [myhdl-list] help - hot bit encoder

[Jan D. <ja...@ja...>]

Jan:

You struggle with the difference between elaboration
and simulation. All code outside generators is elaborated
once by the Python interpreter. All code inside generators
is alive during simulation.

In particular, logical operators on Signals during
elaboration don't magically create something that
tracks value changes throughout simulation.

Also, a structural view is not always the best
choice (although elaborated code can be as complex
as required without jeopardizing convertibility.)
Perhaps you should consider all this shadow signal
business as "advanced usage" and first understand
what you can do with good old RTL style code.

For example, the following code passes your tests,
converts, and is synthesisable. (Expressing the
don't care conditions which are probably there
is not possible in this way however.)

def encodeHotBit(iv, ov, Width=4):

     @always_comb
     def logic():
         ov.next = 0 # avoid state
         for i in range(len(iv)):
             if iv[i] == 1:
                 ov.next = i

     return logic
   

Jan


On 04/03/2011 12:04 PM, Jan Coombs wrote:
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> ''' progress
>    #04 asked for help
>    #03 generates VHDL, cleaner, but problem unchanged
>    #02 compiles, but each o bit is iv(15)!!!
>    #01 tried using lists - oops
> '''
> from myhdl import *
>
>
> def encodeHotBit(iv, ov, Width=4):
>    olt = [Signal(bool(False)) for i in range(Width)]
>    for j in range(Width):
>      for i in range(2**Width):
>        if (i%(2**(j+1)))>= (2**j):
>          olt[j] = olt[j] or iv(i)
>    oc = ConcatSignal(*reversed(olt))
>    @always_comb
>    def assign():
>      ov.next = oc
>    return assign
>
>
> Width=4
> iv = Signal(intbv(0)[Width**2:])
> ov = Signal(intbv(0)[Width:])
>
> toVerilog(encodeHotBit, iv, ov, Width)
> toVHDL(encodeHotBit, iv, ov, Width)
>
> # set up a test bench
> #from random import randrange
> def tb():
>    dut = encodeHotBit(iv, ov, Width)
>    @instance
>    def check():
>      yield delay(10)
>      for i in range(16):
>        iv.next = 2**i
>        yield delay(10)
>        print i, iv, ov
>        #assert 2**ov == iv
>    return dut, check
>
> # the entry point for the py.test unit test framework
> def test_ehb():
>      sim = Simulation(tb())
>      sim.run()
>
> test_ehb()
>


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[myhdl-list] help - hot bit encoder

[Jan C. <jan...@mu...>]

I wanted to publish the attached code, but have newbie problems. 
Only the first and last test cases are correct and I can't see why :(

Jan Coombs

Re: [myhdl-list] Commercial support / training classes

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

> As for training, the biggest issue is probably that
> there is no ready-to-use  material yet.
I totally agree.  Chris Felton has a hardware project that generates a 
sound that we could
use as the basis for the project.   I think a number of us could try to 
duplicate it, edit up the training
materials in some shared environment, like Google Docs, and before you 
know it we would have a
training class.

> And before that,
> the first issue is probably to determine what public we
> would be targetting and what kind of prelimary knowledge
> we should/can assume.
I think we should target the mass market of python developers who want 
to tinker with FPGA's.
People like me.  For us, meaning experienced python developers, it is 
obvious this is the way to go.  Trying to sell a hardware engineer on 
dynamic binding is going against the flow.

Chris Felton recommends that we do a distributed class.  We would like 
you Jan to do a general presentation on the software and theory, and 
then dive into hands on application. I think we should be done in a 
day.  I think the Silicon Valley standard is do it on a weekend.   
Better yet, you might want to do a video presentation one Saturday, 
people can read the web site during the week, and then come back the 
following Saturday for a class room class, where the "experts" look over 
your shoulder to help you.

Next question can we use the content from the website for the flyers?  
Since the back side of the flyer will sell the class, this is commercial 
use, and needs your approval.

And would you be willing to introduce the class?  How many hours of 
presentation would you like to do?

Is there anyone else who would like to do a presentation on this material for the class? Who else is interested in building the hardware demo, and editing up the google docs presentation?

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Re: [myhdl-list] rosettacode submission

[Jan D. <ja...@ja...>]

On 04/02/2011 06:53 PM, Jan Coombs wrote:
> On 02/04/11 14:45, Christopher Felton wrote:
>> I was curious if something was submitted to rosettacode?  Jan D. version
>> could be submitted.
>
> I wrote to Mauro Panigada, who set this challenge, asking for
> guidance as to what to post. Although I was not surprised that he
> wanted my school-homework style solution, I intended to clean it up
> first. Perhaps I should just post both.

I read that he doesn't agree to give MyHDL it own category.

That would mean to miss the point completely, and I recommend
not to send the code until he reconsiders.

The fact that MyHDL is "pure Python" is a (hopefully clever)
design choice. It doesn't mean that someone with only
Python background and no hardware experience will understand
the essence of what is going on.

Unless we get our own category, I fear we will not get the
message accross, and we are wasting efforts.

Jan

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Re: [myhdl-list] rosettacode submission

[Jan C. <jan...@mu...>]

On 02/04/11 14:45, Christopher Felton wrote:
> I was curious if something was submitted to rosettacode?  Jan D. version
> could be submitted.

I wrote to Mauro Panigada, who set this challenge, asking for 
guidance as to what to post. Although I was not surprised that he 
wanted my school-homework style solution, I intended to clean it up 
first. Perhaps I should just post both.

Jan Coombs
-- 

Mauro Panigada wrote:
I think it is very interesting, I will take a deeper look in my 
spare time!
Quickly viewing the attached sources, it seems to me your solution 
meets
task requirements; post your own solution on RC, if you've not done so
already, this is my only advice:)

About giving MyHDL its own category, I disagree: after all, it is 
Python
exploiting Python's capabilities, packages and so on. So I believe 
it is
enough to use the libheader "tag" (or similar, but if I remember 
well RC
still does not distinguish among libraries in the "C meaning" and
libraries/packages/modules/whatever in "other language meaning"). 
However,
comments page on RC are also to discuss this kind of topic, and 
there are a
lot of persons there that likely would disagree with me.

Thanks you for having brought to my attention MyHDL! It's that sort 
of thing
I like a lot (though currently I've drifted mainly to musical 
composition in
my spare time, just to break with programming a bit --- but 
hardware design
is still in my mind :D)

Have a good day (here in Italy it's 7:30 AM)


On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Jan <jan...@mu...> 
wrote:

 > > hi Mauro,
 > >
 > > I have tackled this problem using MyHDL (myhdl.org), a python 
library
 > > which is designed for hardware simulation.
 > >
 > > Attached is my very structured solution, also the solution of 
the author of
 > > MyHDL.  I'm not sure which approach meets your illustrative 
goal better, and
 > > would like advice.
 > >
 > > MyHDL meets a number of your mentioned future goals, being able to
 > > represent clocks and latches, and is also capable of exporting 
VHDL or
 > > Verilog for real hardware design.
 > >
 > > Because of the capabilities of MyHDL, I think that it should 
have a
 > > separate language category in RC, rather than being combined 
with python,
 > > what do you think?
 > >
 > > Kind regards,  Jan Coombs.
 > >
 > >

Re: [myhdl-list] Conference: Skype, Awesome support, Class

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

On 4/2/11 10:54 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
> vikash from fpga central, who is organizing the conference, said:
>
>> We are expecting 300 people (400 signed up). I would think 1 for 5 is a good
>> number, or 1 for 4.  The key is being there to explain to people what it is about.
>
This is pretty exciting, I didn't know anything about these FPGA Camps 
but it sounds like Vikash has done a good job organizing these.

> I am able to explain the basics, but I am sure I will get questions that
> are beyond me.
> I have an iPod Touch, and a Mac Mini, both with Skype.  My mac has a
> camera.  Would someone, or maybe two people be willing to provide a
> tele-presence.  You could be on skype to answer questions.
>
> I could do a speaker and microphone.  I do not have either.  But I worry
> about feedback whine.  Maybe easier to just do a headset.  What do you
> think?
Unfortunately, Wed. is horrible for me, I have a bunch of meetings I can 
not get out of and I am giving a talk at a local University in later 
afternoon (CST).  I will not be available to answer questions in real-time.

>
> I am just totally impressed by how this internet cooperation works.
> Someone provides a booth, someone provides the idea, someone else
> provides a poster.  We now have a flyer, even better as I slept it
> appeared.  There is an offer of money on the table for printing.   WOW.
> The suggestion of the distributed class is great.  The constraints on
> doing a class were great.  Just amazing how this all works.
My opinion a 2-4 hour distributed workshop would be ideal and recorded 
(later posted on the Python vid tutorial side?).  Maybe it would work 
that Jan D. could give an introduction about the overlying methodology 
and info on MyHDL.  And then ...

I agree, there's a lot of logistics to figure out.  It might be best 
just to get an interest in such an event and create a mailing list. 
Maybe target late August (as mentioned, I will have limited time to help 
as well).

>
> I love the idea of the distributed class.  I am not sure technically how
> to do it.  Can't be that hard.  We would have to shift the hours a bit
> for Europe and the US.  All we need is someone to choose a board, and
> implement a demo, and provide some slides.  Then an experienced
> MyHDL/python guy could show up at each facility, to help locally.
> Super.   Let us do it.  Best for the customers as well.
I have a board and demo (the same I would have sent you) that I can 
provide.  I will post (at some point) information on the wiki and a 
"walk through".

We can work through these as time progresses.  I would suggest simply 
gathering names of interested parties for a class/workshop at this point.
>
> And of course traffic on this mailing list has gone up.  Which is a good
> thing.
>

Re: [myhdl-list] We got the booth!

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

  I think version 3 which has the list is the one you like better.

That is also my preference.

I will drop by fed ex, to find out the details of their printing service.

Regards
Chris
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Re: [myhdl-list] We got the booth!

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

There are two versions of the poster, both available on this page, 
http://www.myhdl.org/doku.php/users:cfelton:fpgacamp:fpga_camp.

The graphs in the poster are all plots created with MyHDL simulations. 
Each would have a story behind it but as mentioned they are either the 
digital waveforms or higher composite signals. Some plots are taken from 
the user projects and some are from MyHDL design/sims that I have.  I 
have one GTKWave screenshot and the rest, I believe, are sim outputs 
plotted with matplotlib (mpl).

The larger center image is the layout of Jan D. IC that he and others 
developed.

.chris

On 4/1/11 11:22 PM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
> Conference is sold out, but if you volunteer to help run the booth, I
> can get you a ticket.
>
> Chris Felton made up a gorgeous poster.
> http://www.myhdl.org/lib/exe/fetch.php/users:cfelton:projects:myhdl_fpgacamp.pdf
>
> I gave him my recommendations on text changes, so it makes more sense to
> a newbie like myself.   I expect he will explain to me what all the
> graphs are.   I am continuing to get educated.
>
> And we will do a two page flyer to hand out.  The font side will come
> from the Why MyHDL page.
>
> http://www.myhdl.org/doku.php/why
>
> Would anyone like to shrink that down to one page for us.   I am
> completely shameless about asking for help from an open source
> community.  I am delighted by what has come forth so far.  Really
> overwhelmed.
>
> Then Chris Felton has offered to do a one day class for python
> developers to do the blinking light fpga project.   Think Arduino.  He
> can do in in MN.  Can anyone do it in Silicon Valley?  Maybe after I
> take it in his home town, I could do one in Silicon Valley.  Can anyone
> offer such a class in Europe?  We may not get demand for it there, but I
> would like to offer it.
>
> So the back of the flyer will talk about the class.  Would anyone like
> to make up such a one page.  Open Office is best.
>
> We can print the poster over at Fed Ex
> http://fedex.com/us/office/marketing/signsbanners/posters/packages.html
>
> 36" x 48" - 129.99
>
> I wish I had a place to leave the poster after the conference.  It would
> be great for future use! On the way back I am going camping down in Big
> Sur.  Not good for posters!
>
> Anyone else want to spring for the poster?  Or part of it.  And for
> printing the flyers?  I intend to print it at a fed ex next to the
> conference, so that it does not get damaged in transit.
>
> I am so excited.  This has been a really wonderful experience.  Because
> of my efforts, Chris and I had a long talk, I got a huge education,
> which is why I am doing this.   I think the poster is brilliant, just
> what is needed.  I think that the Why MyHDL web page is perfect for a
> flyer.  It has all been such a pleasure.
>
> Now all I need is a Floating Point class.  Maybe I will write that!
> Evidently the hard part is exporting it correctly.
>

[myhdl-list] Conference: Skype, Awesome support, Class

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

vikash from fpga central, who is organizing the conference, said:

>We are expecting 300 people (400 signed up). I would think 1 for 5 is a good
>number, or 1 for 4.  The key is being there to explain to people what it is about.

I am able to explain the basics, but I am sure I will get questions that 
are beyond me.
I have an iPod Touch, and a Mac Mini, both with Skype.  My mac has a 
camera.  Would someone, or maybe two people be willing to provide a 
tele-presence.  You could be on skype to answer questions.

I could do a speaker and microphone.  I do not have either.  But I worry 
about feedback whine.  Maybe easier to just do a headset.  What do you 
think?

I am just totally impressed by how this internet cooperation works.   
Someone provides a booth, someone provides the idea, someone else 
provides a poster.  We now have a flyer, even better as I slept it 
appeared.  There is an offer of money on the table for printing.   WOW.  
The suggestion of the distributed class is great.  The constraints on 
doing a class were great.  Just amazing how this all works.

I love the idea of the distributed class.  I am not sure technically how 
to do it.  Can't be that hard.  We would have to shift the hours a bit 
for Europe and the US.  All we need is someone to choose a board, and 
implement a demo, and provide some slides.  Then an experienced 
MyHDL/python guy could show up at each facility, to help locally.  
Super.   Let us do it.  Best for the customers as well.

And of course traffic on this mailing list has gone up.  Which is a good 
thing.

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[myhdl-list] Commercial support / training classes

[Jan D. <ja...@ja...>]

Christopher Lozinski asked about the commercial support
I offer on myhdl.org, in particular about training classes.
Hereby some background.

I am working as an independent consultant in electronics
and EDA. For design projects, some role for MyHDL is a
preliminary condition. This is a good way to fix bugs
and drive MyHDL itself, but a disadvantage is of course
that I focus mainly on the things that I need myself :-)
I'm doing such a project (a very interesting one)
right now. In honesty, these opportunities exist
because I have good relations with a design services
company (Easics) that I co-founded myself.

As for MyHDL consulting or training - I have not yet had
requests yet. But I am available at a reasonable
consulting rate (except that it is in Euro's :-)).

As for training, the biggest issue is probably that
there is no ready-to-use  material yet. And before that,
the first issue is probably to determine what public we
would be targetting and what kind of prelimary knowledge
we should/can assume.

I have some experience with teaching classes, but it
is very limited and old - almost 20 years ago, about
using VHDL for RTL synthesis. Compared to other
training material that I have seen, it was much more
"philosophical" and less "hands-on". Not necessarily
the type of class that down-to-earth Silicon Valley
folk would find valuable :-)

In short: I think that defining and preparing a good
and meaningful class is the bottleneck, taking into
account a good insight in the target public. This
will require a significant amount of time and effort
from someone - and I'm not necessarily the best-placed
person for it.

Jan

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Re: [myhdl-list] rosettacode submission

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

On 3/21/11 6:34 PM, Jan Coombs wrote:
> On 21/03/11 19:10, Jan Decaluwe wrote:
>> I couldn't resist to post my take on this.   . . .
> Thanks, much appreciated.  I had started to take on board Chris and
> your comments, but still have much to learn.  As to what to post on
> rosettacode I have asked for guidance from the problem proposer.
>
>

I was curious if something was submitted to rosettacode?  Jan D. version 
could be submitted.

Chris Felton

[myhdl-list] We got the booth!

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

Conference is sold out, but if you volunteer to help run the booth, I 
can get you a ticket.

Chris Felton made up a gorgeous poster.
http://www.myhdl.org/lib/exe/fetch.php/users:cfelton:projects:myhdl_fpgacamp.pdf

I gave him my recommendations on text changes, so it makes more sense to 
a newbie like myself.   I expect he will explain to me what all the 
graphs are.   I am continuing to get educated.

And we will do a two page flyer to hand out.  The font side will come 
from the Why MyHDL page.

http://www.myhdl.org/doku.php/why

Would anyone like to shrink that down to one page for us.   I am 
completely shameless about asking for help from an open source 
community.  I am delighted by what has come forth so far.  Really 
overwhelmed.

Then Chris Felton has offered to do a one day class for python 
developers to do the blinking light fpga project.   Think Arduino.  He 
can do in in MN.  Can anyone do it in Silicon Valley?  Maybe after I 
take it in his home town, I could do one in Silicon Valley.  Can anyone 
offer such a class in Europe?  We may not get demand for it there, but I 
would like to offer it.

So the back of the flyer will talk about the class.  Would anyone like 
to make up such a one page.  Open Office is best.

We can print the poster over at Fed Ex
http://fedex.com/us/office/marketing/signsbanners/posters/packages.html

36" x 48" - 129.99

I wish I had a place to leave the poster after the conference.  It would 
be great for future use! On the way back I am going camping down in Big 
Sur.  Not good for posters!

Anyone else want to spring for the poster?  Or part of it.  And for 
printing the flyers?  I intend to print it at a fed ex next to the 
conference, so that it does not get damaged in transit.

I am so excited.  This has been a really wonderful experience.  Because 
of my efforts, Chris and I had a long talk, I got a huge education, 
which is why I am doing this.   I think the poster is brilliant, just 
what is needed.  I think that the Why MyHDL web page is perfect for a 
flyer.  It has all been such a pleasure.

Now all I need is a Floating Point class.  Maybe I will write that!  
Evidently the hard part is exporting it correctly.

-- 
Regards
Christopher Lozinski

Check out my iPhone apps TextFaster and EmailFaster
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Re: [myhdl-list] Conference Plans: Perspective, Flyer, Sign, Classroom classes, Python Classes, Success Stories, Hardware Demo

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

I was probably the last person in the world that should have attempt to 
generate a poster, but I did.  If you think it is usable feel free to 
use it.

If anyone has suggestions I can try and incorporate them or send the 
source.  We could create a wiki page for camp prep :)

Chris Felton

On 4/1/11 11:07 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
>         I have been reading the myhdl.org website.  It is superbly done.
> Very carefully written.  Looks great.  It is not even his native
> language, but I could not tell.  It makes me expect the software will be
> as carefully done.   It looks like a labor of love.
>
>        My perspective on this is that it is an obvious way to rapidly
> design and thoroughly test new hardware designs. But somehow the rest of
> the world does not see it this way.  It needs some marketing push.
>
>        I think the most important thing for the trade show is the flyer.
> Let everyone get a page of material to take home, they can read it
> later, download the software, and read the website.  There is great
> content on
> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/start
>
> and
> http://myhdl.org/doku.php/why
>
> The next most important thing is a sign.  I think it is easy to print up
> a big black and white sign across multiple sheets of paper
>
> MyHDL = Python ->  FPGA
>
> Then I can scotch tape them together, and put them up on the wall.
>
>       But it is always good to make money off things.  It means it is
> alive.  What do people need to get started.  Well the best thing would
> be a class.  Go to the show, get a flyer, go home read it look at the
> web site, go sign up for a class.  I read that some of these design
> tools cost $100,000 for 1 seat for a year.  Amazing.  Surely they could
> spring $1,000 for a class.  Does anyone want to teach a class in this
> stuff.  We could say 5 student minimum.
>
>      As for python classes, I am glad to see there is now a data
> structure class.  That is a step in the right direction. There was
> recently a discussion on floating point classes.  The hardware engineers
> said it is too inefficient, just define the range for your application.
> The software engineers like myself, say just give us the floating point
> classes.  I do not know the ranges.   Some of the FPGA devices have
> floating point multipliers.   How do I talk to them?  By writing my own
> class.  Ridiculous.  Give me the class please.
>
>      A rich class library is a sign of a mature python library.  They
> talk about ip cores in this industry.  Yes I would like python designs
> for ethernet interface, usb interface, etc.  And certainly for floating
> point, and for a whole bunch of other stuff.
>
>      Thank you for the offer of the hardware demo.  I have not sent
> Christopher Felton my mailing address.  I think that demo targets the
> wrong market.  It uses a FPGA to generate some sounds.  I think it
> targets the hobbyist market.  The money is in the major corporations.
> What they want to do is minimize their risk.  They want to see large
> complex designs that have been produced with this tool suite.  They want
> us to argue that python allows for complex test suites, further reducing
> their risks.
>
>      So does anyone have some complex designs, preferably that went to
> silicon that we can show and simulate?  Is anyone interested in offering
> a MyHDL class?
>

[myhdl-list] Conference Plans: Perspective, Flyer, Sign, Classroom classes, Python Classes, Success Stories, Hardware Demo

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

       I have been reading the myhdl.org website.  It is superbly done.  
Very carefully written.  Looks great.  It is not even his native 
language, but I could not tell.  It makes me expect the software will be 
as carefully done.   It looks like a labor of love.

      My perspective on this is that it is an obvious way to rapidly 
design and thoroughly test new hardware designs. But somehow the rest of 
the world does not see it this way.  It needs some marketing push.

      I think the most important thing for the trade show is the flyer.  
Let everyone get a page of material to take home, they can read it 
later, download the software, and read the website.  There is great 
content on
http://myhdl.org/doku.php/start

and
http://myhdl.org/doku.php/why

The next most important thing is a sign.  I think it is easy to print up 
a big black and white sign across multiple sheets of paper

MyHDL = Python -> FPGA

Then I can scotch tape them together, and put them up on the wall.

     But it is always good to make money off things.  It means it is 
alive.  What do people need to get started.  Well the best thing would 
be a class.  Go to the show, get a flyer, go home read it look at the 
web site, go sign up for a class.  I read that some of these design 
tools cost $100,000 for 1 seat for a year.  Amazing.  Surely they could 
spring $1,000 for a class.  Does anyone want to teach a class in this 
stuff.  We could say 5 student minimum.

    As for python classes, I am glad to see there is now a data 
structure class.  That is a step in the right direction. There was 
recently a discussion on floating point classes.  The hardware engineers 
said it is too inefficient, just define the range for your application.  
The software engineers like myself, say just give us the floating point 
classes.  I do not know the ranges.   Some of the FPGA devices have 
floating point multipliers.   How do I talk to them?  By writing my own 
class.  Ridiculous.  Give me the class please.

    A rich class library is a sign of a mature python library.  They 
talk about ip cores in this industry.  Yes I would like python designs 
for ethernet interface, usb interface, etc.  And certainly for floating 
point, and for a whole bunch of other stuff.

    Thank you for the offer of the hardware demo.  I have not sent 
Christopher Felton my mailing address.  I think that demo targets the 
wrong market.  It uses a FPGA to generate some sounds.  I think it 
targets the hobbyist market.  The money is in the major corporations.  
What they want to do is minimize their risk.  They want to see large 
complex designs that have been produced with this tool suite.  They want 
us to argue that python allows for complex test suites, further reducing 
their risks.

    So does anyone have some complex designs, preferably that went to 
silicon that we can show and simulate?  Is anyone interested in offering 
a MyHDL class?

-- 
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Re: [myhdl-list] FPGA Camp Booth Update

[David R. <dav...@gm...>]

Hi All,

I am a spectator in this distribution list. I have been for a while,
although this is the first time I send an e-mail around.

Christopher, I admire your determination and attitude. I just want to wish
you good luck...and please tell us how everything went.

Regards,
David Rodriguez


On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Christopher Felton
<chr...@gm...>wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Lozinski <
> loz...@fr...> wrote:
>
>>    Chris Felton made the following offer.
>>
>> I can provide a simple reference design and some hardware (if you promise to
>> return it).  So that you have something to demonstrate.  It would not be
>> anything too fancy, but it could show a MyHDL -> FPGA flow.  I doubt I would
>> be able to travel for this "camp".
>>
>>
>>     I accept.  Two conditions.  One is you need to walk me through loading
>> the software tools and running your demo. It is so much faster to get a hand
>> getting up to speed. I know I need to load pythona and myHDL.  What other
>> software do I need to load?  Will it run on my Mac Mini?  Some of these
>> tools are just on Linux and Windows.
>>
>
> Will you be available this weekend?  What is your favorite voice/screen
> share tool?  Yes, I can walk you through any setup that might be required.
>
> You will only need Python (+python libs) unless you want to demonstrate
> running the design through the FPGA tools, I don't think that would
> be necessary.  If you want, install numpy+scipy+matplotlib.  This way you
> can show some design plots.  Also, install Icarus Verilog or Cver to
> demonstrate cosimulation (I guess more than python).  All these are easy to
> install on the mac.  If you use MacPorts simply type $port install iverilog,
> cver, py27-numpy, py27-scipy, py27-matplotlib (can also use Python26
> py26-*).  Note, MacPorts will install a different Python than the one that
> ships with the Macs.
>
> I will send more information for the demo.  I thinking, what you can demo
> on the PC side, is Simulation and Co-Simulating the design, creating pretty
> plots, etc.  The board will simply be running the design.  The board is a
> USB-FPGA board with audio in/out.  If you have a mic&speakers the design
> will do some simple audio effect.  Given time constraints the audio effect
> will be something pretty simply, like an echo.  To power the board you only
> need USB.  Theoretically we could interface with the board/design through
> the USB but I think that will be pushing it.
>
>>
>>     As for returning the device.  I am paranoid about physical security.
>> I have a lock on my mac mini.  When I am not in the booth I will carry your
>> device with me in my backback.  If it does get stolen I will split the
>> replacement cost with you.  I will mail it back to you within a week of the
>> end of the conference.  Is that good enough?
>>
>> What are your plans if you do not get a volunteer?
>>
>> Yes, no rush returning the board, 1 week is fine.  I will have to
> overnight it today (or tomorrow morning) to make sure it gets there by next
> Wednesday?  I will try and get it delivered to you by Saturday morning.
>  Otherwise we will need to go over the setup on Monday night.
>
>>  Great question.  If you give me a demo, I am good to go.  My story is the
>> stuff works, here is the demo, I am new to it.  My job is not to argue with
>> people, it is to invite people who see the world the same way to join.
>> Jim Newton who runs tech shop http://techshop.ws understands this stuff
>> so well.  Just be open, and a little will flow in from every person.   I
>> think most of the people on this list would like to support marketing and
>> growth of MyHDL.   Let me show up with a booth, and other people will
>> contribute.  We need volunteers, signs, flyers, business cards, everything
>> else.   Anything you can contribute would be most appreciated.   Anyone want
>> to write a flyer?  Anyone want to pay for copying it?   How do you want to
>> support the growth of the open source MyHDL community?
>>
>
>> So I will send an email requesting a booth.  Thank you for the support.
>>
>
> This sounds good!  Thanks for volunteering to set this up.
>
> Chris Felton
>
>
>>
>>  --
>> Regards
>> Christopher Lozinski
>>
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Re: [myhdl-list] FPGA Camp Booth Update

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Lozinski <
loz...@fr...> wrote:

>    Chris Felton made the following offer.
>
> I can provide a simple reference design and some hardware (if you promise to
> return it).  So that you have something to demonstrate.  It would not be
> anything too fancy, but it could show a MyHDL -> FPGA flow.  I doubt I would
> be able to travel for this "camp".
>
>
>     I accept.  Two conditions.  One is you need to walk me through loading
> the software tools and running your demo. It is so much faster to get a hand
> getting up to speed. I know I need to load pythona and myHDL.  What other
> software do I need to load?  Will it run on my Mac Mini?  Some of these
> tools are just on Linux and Windows.
>

Will you be available this weekend?  What is your favorite voice/screen
share tool?  Yes, I can walk you through any setup that might be required.

You will only need Python (+python libs) unless you want to demonstrate
running the design through the FPGA tools, I don't think that would
be necessary.  If you want, install numpy+scipy+matplotlib.  This way you
can show some design plots.  Also, install Icarus Verilog or Cver to
demonstrate cosimulation (I guess more than python).  All these are easy to
install on the mac.  If you use MacPorts simply type $port install iverilog,
cver, py27-numpy, py27-scipy, py27-matplotlib (can also use Python26
py26-*).  Note, MacPorts will install a different Python than the one that
ships with the Macs.

I will send more information for the demo.  I thinking, what you can demo on
the PC side, is Simulation and Co-Simulating the design, creating pretty
plots, etc.  The board will simply be running the design.  The board is a
USB-FPGA board with audio in/out.  If you have a mic&speakers the design
will do some simple audio effect.  Given time constraints the audio effect
will be something pretty simply, like an echo.  To power the board you only
need USB.  Theoretically we could interface with the board/design through
the USB but I think that will be pushing it.

>
>     As for returning the device.  I am paranoid about physical security.  I
> have a lock on my mac mini.  When I am not in the booth I will carry your
> device with me in my backback.  If it does get stolen I will split the
> replacement cost with you.  I will mail it back to you within a week of the
> end of the conference.  Is that good enough?
>
> What are your plans if you do not get a volunteer?
>
> Yes, no rush returning the board, 1 week is fine.  I will have to overnight
it today (or tomorrow morning) to make sure it gets there by next Wednesday?
 I will try and get it delivered to you by Saturday morning.  Otherwise we
will need to go over the setup on Monday night.

>  Great question.  If you give me a demo, I am good to go.  My story is the
> stuff works, here is the demo, I am new to it.  My job is not to argue with
> people, it is to invite people who see the world the same way to join.
> Jim Newton who runs tech shop http://techshop.ws understands this stuff so
> well.  Just be open, and a little will flow in from every person.   I think
> most of the people on this list would like to support marketing and growth
> of MyHDL.   Let me show up with a booth, and other people will contribute.
> We need volunteers, signs, flyers, business cards, everything else.
> Anything you can contribute would be most appreciated.   Anyone want to
> write a flyer?  Anyone want to pay for copying it?   How do you want to
> support the growth of the open source MyHDL community?
>

> So I will send an email requesting a booth.  Thank you for the support.
>

This sounds good!  Thanks for volunteering to set this up.

Chris Felton


>
>  --
> Regards
> Christopher Lozinski
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [myhdl-list] FPGA Camp Booth Update

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

   Chris Felton made the following offer.
> I can provide a simple reference design and some hardware (if you promise to
> return it).  So that you have something to demonstrate.  It would not be
> anything too fancy, but it could show a MyHDL ->  FPGA flow.  I doubt I would
> be able to travel for this "camp".
>
    I accept.  Two conditions.  One is you need to walk me through 
loading the software tools and running your demo. It is so much faster 
to get a hand getting up to speed. I know I need to load pythona and 
myHDL.  What other software do I need to load?  Will it run on my Mac 
Mini?  Some of these tools are just on Linux and Windows.

     As for returning the device.  I am paranoid about physical 
security.  I have a lock on my mac mini.  When I am not in the booth I 
will carry your device with me in my backback.  If it does get stolen I 
will split the replacement cost with you.  I will mail it back to you 
within a week of the end of the conference.  Is that good enough?
> What are your plans if you do not get a volunteer?
>
Great question.  If you give me a demo, I am good to go.  My story is 
the stuff works, here is the demo, I am new to it.  My job is not to 
argue with people, it is to invite people who see the world the same way 
to join.      Jim Newton who runs tech shop http://techshop.ws 
understands this stuff so well.  Just be open, and a little will flow in 
from every person.   I think most of the people on this list would like 
to support marketing and growth of MyHDL.   Let me show up with a booth, 
and other people will contribute.  We need volunteers, signs, flyers, 
business cards, everything else.   Anything you can contribute would be 
most appreciated.   Anyone want to write a flyer?  Anyone want to pay 
for copying it?   How do you want to support the growth of the open 
source MyHDL community?

So I will send an email requesting a booth.  Thank you for the support.

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Re: [myhdl-list] FPGA Camp Booth Update

[Christopher F. <chr...@gm...>]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Christopher Lozinski <
loz...@sp...> wrote:

> http://www.fpgacentral.com/fpgacamp
>
> Well I have mixed results to report.  I do have one beautiful woman who
> volunteered to help man the booth, but sadly she does not know anything
> about FPGA.  Kind of a  marketing person.  They are useful.
>
> I do not yet know enough about MyHDL to feel competent to be the senior
> engineer at the booth.
>
> As for me, I am making progress on my design.  I now know what I want to
> build.   And I do get MyHDL.
>
> I am happy to set up a booth, provide a sign, and bring my mac mini.
> But I would love someone who has used the tool set to be there.
>
> So why am I doing this?   Well it is a free conference.  In these things
> you get out what you put in.  By helping to promote MyHDL, I will get to
> meet lots of like minded people.  I become someone.   I can listen to
> their problems, and talk about what I am doing.
>
> All I need is one experienced MyHDL user.  The conference is only for
> about 4 hours, the booths are only open for about 2 hours.  It is not
> much of a time commitment.  It is good for all of us to grow the
> community.    And the more people who use these open source tools the
> better.  That means the more software contributions there will be to the
> package and to the documentation.
>
>
I don't think having the booth is a bad idea.  But I think you are correct
trying to find someone with some experience.  I imagine you also might need
someone ready to go to battle (well at least in a defensive stance).  As Jan
D. has mentioned, the FPGA world is a great application for MyHDL.

I can provide a simple reference design and some hardware (if you promise to
return it).  So that you have something to demonstrate.  It would not be
anything too fancy, but it could show a MyHDL -> FPGA flow.  I doubt I would
be able to travel for this "camp".

What are your plans if you do not get a volunteer?

Chris Felton


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Re: [myhdl-list] Introduction and FPGA Camp Booth Proposal

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

  Point well taken.  Hugely appreciated.

I am not clueless.  I have been floating around electronics for a long 
time.

I am a big believer in just jumping off the cliff.  There is always a 
safe place to land.

There are physical limits in these devices.  How much current can flow 
into a wire determines how many leads can be listening on a wire.  High 
frequency signals cross between wire, but perhaps that is not so much of 
a problem on these chips.   I will look for a guide on constraints.  
Thank you greatly.

As for edit permission.  You are right, I do not need it yet.

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[myhdl-list] FPGA Camp Booth Update

[Christopher L. <loz...@sp...>]

http://www.fpgacentral.com/fpgacamp

Well I have mixed results to report.  I do have one beautiful woman who 
volunteered to help man the booth, but sadly she does not know anything 
about FPGA.  Kind of a  marketing person.  They are useful.

I do not yet know enough about MyHDL to feel competent to be the senior 
engineer at the booth.

As for me, I am making progress on my design.  I now know what I want to 
build.   And I do get MyHDL.

I am happy to set up a booth, provide a sign, and bring my mac mini.  
But I would love someone who has used the tool set to be there.

So why am I doing this?   Well it is a free conference.  In these things 
you get out what you put in.  By helping to promote MyHDL, I will get to 
meet lots of like minded people.  I become someone.   I can listen to 
their problems, and talk about what I am doing.

All I need is one experienced MyHDL user.  The conference is only for 
about 4 hours, the booths are only open for about 2 hours.  It is not 
much of a time commitment.  It is good for all of us to grow the 
community.    And the more people who use these open source tools the 
better.  That means the more software contributions there will be to the 
package and to the documentation.

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Re: [myhdl-list] Introduction and FPGA Camp Booth Proposal

[Jan D. <ja...@ja...>]

On 03/29/2011 10:07 PM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
> First let me introduce myself, I am a hard core Python and Zope
> developer recently interested in FPGA.s
> I know a lot about semiconductor manufacturing, but very little about
> digital electonics.  This MyHDL stuff looks hugely interesting, but hard
> to wrap my head around.

To avoid disappointments, it may be wise to start by
reading an introductory text to digital electronics
and synthesis first. Starting with MyHDL before this
is probably not the right approach, because it assumes
implicit knowledge, especially about limitations :-)
(Until someone writes the book "Introduction to
digital design using MyHDL" of course :-))

> My core observation is that modern CPU's average 10 instructions per
> second with 2 billion transistors.  Surely that is hugely inefficient,
> and we can do better.
>
> On to the conference.  Here is an upcoming free conference.  Kind of an
> open source camp.  Maybe we could have a free booth there.
>
> http://www.fpgacentral.com/fpgacamp
>
> What does everyone think?  Anyone interested?
>


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Re: [myhdl-list] Introduction and FPGA Camp Booth Proposal

[Christopher L. <loz...@fr...>]

Correction.

I meant 10 instructions per clock cycle, not per second.

My apologies.  And now that mistake will stay on the internet forever!

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