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#14 Data input to control multiple parameters for scenario analysis

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2017-09-14
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Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
having to build an ODE model.

Best, Steve
Professor Steve Keen
School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
Kingston University London

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  • High Performance Coder

    ----- Forwarded message from Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com -----

    Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:52:59 +0100
    From: Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com
    To: Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
    Subject: Re: Minsky thought

    With a text file input, you could change two or more simultaneously. You
    could also simply set up accounting style operations such as GDP being
    C+I+G-T+X-M, and then alter one component to see the effect on the others.
    So long as the accounting was properly specified, it would allow "modeling
    without a model".

    On Saturday, 29 October 2016, Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
    wrote:

    Sure, but I'm not sure how this differs from the existing data widgets.

    On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:27:22PM +0100, Steve Keen wrote:

    Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

    Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control
    it)
    which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
    years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
    to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather
    than
    having to build an ODE model.

    Best, Steve
    Professor Steve Keen
    School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
    Kingston University London
    www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
    www.profstevekeen.com
    www.ideaeconomics.org
    @ProfSteveKeen
    Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306

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    • Steve Keen

      Steve Keen - 2017-09-14

      Can you link the data widgets to parameters? I suppose you can. This is
      just an idea to make it more transparent.

      BTW, off to speak on the BBC about Northern Rock in about an hour:

      "Thank you so much for agreeing to be our guest interviewee on Business
      Live on BBC TV tomorrow morning at 8.30am, the programme is transmitted
      live on BBC World to a global audience and domestically on BBC News
      Channel. As promised, please find below a briefing document. The presenters
      will be Sally Bundock and Ben Thompson,"

      Best, Steve
      Professor Steve Keen
      Head, School of Economics, Politics & History,
      Kingston University London
      www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
      www.ideaeconomics.org
      @ProfSteveKeen
      Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306

      On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:10 AM, High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sf.net wrote:

      ----- Forwarded message from Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com -----

      Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:52:59 +0100
      From: Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com
      To: Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
      Subject: Re: Minsky thought

      With a text file input, you could change two or more simultaneously. You
      could also simply set up accounting style operations such as GDP being
      C+I+G-T+X-M, and then alter one component to see the effect on the others.
      So long as the accounting was properly specified, it would allow "modeling
      without a model".

      On Saturday, 29 October 2016, Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
      wrote:

      Sure, but I'm not sure how this differs from the existing data widgets.

      On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:27:22PM +0100, Steve Keen wrote:

      Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

      Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control
      it)
      which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
      years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
      to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather
      than
      having to build an ODE model.

      Best, Steve
      Professor Steve Keen
      School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
      Kingston University London
      www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
      www.profstevekeen.com
      www.ideaeconomics.org
      @ProfSteveKeen
      Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306 <+44%2020%208417%202306>

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      Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
      Principal, High Performance Coders
      Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
      <javascript:;>
      Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au</javascript:;>



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      Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au



      Status: open
      Milestone: Backlog
      Created: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC by High Performance Coder
      Last Updated: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC
      Owner: nobody

      Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

      Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
      which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
      years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
      to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
      having to build an ODE model.

      Best, Steve
      Professor Steve Keen
      School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
      Kingston University London


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      • High Performance Coder

        You can feed a parameter into the input of a data widget. If the
        sliderStep is compatible with the steps in the datafile, then you can
        manually sweep though the data by dragging the slider.

        On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 06:22:33AM +0000, Steve Keen wrote:

        Can you link the data widgets to parameters? I suppose you can. This is
        just an idea to make it more transparent.

        BTW, off to speak on the BBC about Northern Rock in about an hour:

        "Thank you so much for agreeing to be our guest interviewee on Business
        Live on BBC TV tomorrow morning at 8.30am, the programme is transmitted
        live on BBC World to a global audience and domestically on BBC News
        Channel. As promised, please find below a briefing document. The presenters
        will be Sally Bundock and Ben Thompson,"

        Best, Steve
        Professor Steve Keen
        Head, School of Economics, Politics & History,
        Kingston University London
        www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
        www.ideaeconomics.org
        @ProfSteveKeen
        Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306

        On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:10 AM, High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sf.net wrote:

        ----- Forwarded message from Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com -----

        Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:52:59 +0100
        From: Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com
        To: Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
        Subject: Re: Minsky thought

        With a text file input, you could change two or more simultaneously. You
        could also simply set up accounting style operations such as GDP being
        C+I+G-T+X-M, and then alter one component to see the effect on the others.
        So long as the accounting was properly specified, it would allow "modeling
        without a model".

        On Saturday, 29 October 2016, Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
        wrote:

        Sure, but I'm not sure how this differs from the existing data widgets.

        On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:27:22PM +0100, Steve Keen wrote:

        Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

        Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control
        it)
        which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
        years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
        to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather
        than
        having to build an ODE model.

        Best, Steve
        Professor Steve Keen
        School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
        Kingston University London
        www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
        www.profstevekeen.com
        www.ideaeconomics.org
        @ProfSteveKeen
        Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306 <+44%2020%208417%202306>

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        Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
        Principal, High Performance Coders
        Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
        <javascript:;>
        Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au</javascript:;>



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        Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au



        Status: open
        Milestone: Backlog
        Created: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC by High Performance Coder
        Last Updated: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC
        Owner: nobody

        Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

        Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
        which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
        years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
        to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
        having to build an ODE model.

        Best, Steve
        Professor Steve Keen
        School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
        Kingston University London


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        ** [tickets:#672] Data input**

        Status: open
        Milestone: Backlog
        Created: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC by High Performance Coder
        Last Updated: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC
        Owner: nobody

        Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

        Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
        which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
        years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
        to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
        having to build an ODE model.

        Best, Steve
        Professor Steve Keen
        School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
        Kingston University London


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        Principal, High Performance Coders
        Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
        Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au


         
        • Steve Keen

          Steve Keen - 2017-09-14

          Yeah, what I'd rather allow is the capacity to set up values for a number
          of parameters for a range of time steps. For example, to start the Lorenz
          model with rho<1 so that the zero equilibrium is stable and an attractor,
          then to increase it to past 1, then etc...

          But let's talk about this at Xmas. It's something for the backlog.

          Best, Steve
          Professor Steve Keen
          Head, School of Economics, Politics & History,
          Kingston University London
          www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
          www.ideaeconomics.org
          @ProfSteveKeen
          Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306

          On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:45 AM, High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sf.net wrote:

          You can feed a parameter into the input of a data widget. If the
          sliderStep is compatible with the steps in the datafile, then you can
          manually sweep though the data by dragging the slider.

          On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 06:22:33AM +0000, Steve Keen wrote:

          Can you link the data widgets to parameters? I suppose you can. This is
          just an idea to make it more transparent.

          BTW, off to speak on the BBC about Northern Rock in about an hour:

          "Thank you so much for agreeing to be our guest interviewee on Business
          Live on BBC TV tomorrow morning at 8.30am, the programme is transmitted
          live on BBC World to a global audience and domestically on BBC News
          Channel. As promised, please find below a briefing document. The presenters
          will be Sally Bundock and Ben Thompson,"

          Best, Steve
          Professor Steve Keen
          Head, School of Economics, Politics & History,
          Kingston University London
          www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
          www.ideaeconomics.org
          @ProfSteveKeen
          Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306 <+44%2020%208417%202306>

          On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:10 AM, High Performance Coder
          hpcoder@users.sf.net wrote:

          ----- Forwarded message from Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com -----

          Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:52:59 +0100
          From: Steve Keen debunking@gmail.com
          To: Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
          Subject: Re: Minsky thought

          With a text file input, you could change two or more simultaneously. You
          could also simply set up accounting style operations such as GDP being
          C+I+G-T+X-M, and then alter one component to see the effect on the others.
          So long as the accounting was properly specified, it would allow "modeling
          without a model".

          On Saturday, 29 October 2016, Russell Standish hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
          wrote:

          Sure, but I'm not sure how this differs from the existing data widgets.

          On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:27:22PM +0100, Steve Keen wrote:

          Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

          Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control
          it)
          which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
          years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
          to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather
          than
          having to build an ODE model.

          Best, Steve
          Professor Steve Keen
          School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
          Kingston University London
          www.debtdeflation.com/blogs
          www.profstevekeen.com
          www.ideaeconomics.org
          @ProfSteveKeen
          Ph (W) +44 (0)20 8417-2306 <+44%2020%208417%202306>
          <+44%2020%208417%202306>
          --

          Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
          Principal, High Performance Coders
          Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
          <javascript:;>
          Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au</javascript:;>



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          Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
          Principal, High Performance Coders
          Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
          Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au



          Status: open
          Milestone: Backlog
          Created: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC by High Performance Coder
          Last Updated: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC
          Owner: nobody

          Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

          Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
          which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
          years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
          to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
          having to build an ODE model.

          Best, Steve
          Professor Steve Keen
          School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
          Kingston University London


          Sent from sourceforge.net because you indicated interest in
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          Status: open
          Milestone: Backlog
          Created: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC by High Performance Coder
          Last Updated: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC
          Owner: nobody

          Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

          Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
          which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
          years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
          to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
          having to build an ODE model.

          Best, Steve
          Professor Steve Keen
          School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
          Kingston University London


          Sent from sourceforge.net because you indicated interest in
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          Principal, High Performance Coders
          Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpcoder@hpcoders.com.au
          Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au



          Status: open
          Milestone: Backlog
          Created: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC by High Performance Coder
          Last Updated: Thu Sep 14, 2017 05:41 AM UTC
          Owner: nobody

          Hi mate, I'll put this as a ticket soon, but want to record it now

          Enable Minsky to read a text file (ultimately, build a panel to control it)
          which tells it what values to give to parameters over a set number of
          years. Then we could use the variable/parameter slider power you've built
          to enable someone to run a simulation just from hypotheticals, rather than
          having to build an ODE model.

          Best, Steve
          Professor Steve Keen
          School of Social and Behavioural Sciences,
          Kingston University London


          Sent from sourceforge.net because you indicated interest in
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  • High Performance Coder

    Ticket moved from /p/minsky/tickets/672/

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  • Steve Keen

    Steve Keen - 2020-02-20
    • Priority: --> 4normal
    • Milestone: Backlog --> Say
     
  • Steve Keen

    Steve Keen - 2020-02-20

    The idea is to have an external file which can be used to modify several parameters at once over a range of model years. A Schedule in effect of parameter values at particular times, to take one step towards enabling Minsky to be used as a multi-user simulation setting in the real-world instance of it being used to test different policies being applied at once by different government agencies.

     
  • Steve Keen

    Steve Keen - 2020-02-20
    • summary: Data input --> Data input to control multiple parameters for scenario analysis
     
  • High Performance Coder

    • Milestone: Graeber --> Graeber2
     
  • High Performance Coder

    • Milestone: Graeber2 --> Backlog
     
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