#460 Crash while retitling Plot

[Steve Keen]

I explain in the video that I had copied a plot, had attached a new variable to the plot, and was renaming it in the Options window before Ravel had recalculated. Then the dreaded "Resetting" window popped up and, for all intents and purposes, the program hung.

[Steve Keen]

RVL file

[Steve Keen]

I said "hung for all intents and purposes" because, as this video shows, you can still access the menu and forms, but the canvas can't be edited.

[High Performance Coder]

The resetting window is telling you exactly what it is doing. It is not crashed or hung. It will finish the reset/recalc at some point, how long depends on model complexity. Of course front end operations are still available, but backend operations (including saving the state of the model), will need to wait until the backend operation completes, or has successfully been cancelled.

[Steve Keen]

It was going for over an hour before I shut the program down mate, and it
was a simple model. Something crazy must be going on in the code.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 at 22:33, High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

The resetting window is telling you exactly what it is doing. It is not
crashed or hung. It will finish the reset/recalc at some point, how long
depends on model complexity. Of course front end operations are still
available, but backend operations (including saving the state of the
model), will need to wait until the backend operation completes, or has
successfully been cancelled.

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[ravel:#460] https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/460/ Crash while
retitling Plot

Status: open
Milestone: Pascal
Created: Thu Feb 08, 2024 05:46 PM UTC by Steve Keen
Last Updated: Thu Feb 08, 2024 05:51 PM UTC
Owner: nobody
Attachments:

• CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/460/attachment/CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4
  (10.2 MB; video/mp4)

I explain in the video that I had copied a plot, had attached a new
variable to the plot, and was renaming it in the Options window before
Ravel had recalculated. Then the dreaded "Resetting" window popped up and,
for all intents and purposes, the program hung.

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[High Performance Coder]

Having said that - reset should never take an infinite amount of time, although the time is indefinite (model dependent). So the progress bar should progress. At each progression stage, it is possible to cancel the operation.

I don't feel this is an issue for Minsky Marx release right now, so it seems reasonable to leave this for Pascal.

[High Performance Coder]

Although it may also be related to https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/tickets/1737/, which I am going to look at for Marx.

[Steve Keen]

I’ll see if I can trigger it at work today (insomnia had me up at 4 bloody
a.m.!), but when it happens it makes the program unusable. I’ve waited an
hour or more (doing something elder in the meantime obviously) and it’s
still locked take and canceling has never worked.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 at 23:39, High Performance Coder hpcoder@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

Although it may also be related to
https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/tickets/1737/, which I am going to look
at for Marx.

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[ravel:#460] https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/460/ Crash while
retitling Plot

Status: open
Milestone: Pascal
Created: Thu Feb 08, 2024 05:46 PM UTC by Steve Keen
Last Updated: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:23 PM UTC
Owner: nobody
Attachments:

• CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4
  https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/460/attachment/CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4
  (10.2 MB; video/mp4)

I explain in the video that I had copied a plot, had attached a new
variable to the plot, and was renaming it in the Options window before
Ravel had recalculated. Then the dreaded "Resetting" window popped up and,
for all intents and purposes, the program hung.

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[High Performance Coder]

Maybe fixed already, if it is the same as the other one.

On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 03:32:42AM -0000, Steve Keen wrote:

I’ll see if I can trigger it at work today (insomnia had me up at 4 bloody
a.m.!), but when it happens it makes the program unusable. I’ve waited an
hour or more (doing something elder in the meantime obviously) and it’s
still locked take and canceling has never worked.

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On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 at 23:39, High Performance Coder
hpcoder@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

Although it may also be related to
https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/tickets/1737/, which I am going to look
at for Marx.

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[ravel:#460] https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/460/ Crash while
retitling Plot

Status: open
Milestone: Pascal
Created: Thu Feb 08, 2024 05:46 PM UTC by Steve Keen
Last Updated: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:23 PM UTC
Owner: nobody
Attachments:

  □ CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4
    https://sourceforge.net/p/minsky/ravel/460/attachment/
    CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4
    (10.2 MB; video/mp4)

I explain in the video that I had copied a plot, had attached a new
variable to the plot, and was renaming it in the Options window before
Ravel had recalculated. Then the dreaded "Resetting" window popped up and,
for all intents and purposes, the program hung.

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[ravel:#460] Crash while retitling Plot

Status: open
Milestone: Pascal
Created: Thu Feb 08, 2024 05:46 PM UTC by Steve Keen
Last Updated: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:39 PM UTC
Owner: nobody
Attachments:

• CrashWhileRenamingPlot.mp4 (10.2 MB; video/mp4)

I explain in the video that I had copied a plot, had attached a new variable to
the plot, and was renaming it in the Options window before Ravel had
recalculated. Then the dreaded "Resetting" window popped up and, for all
intents and purposes, the program hung.

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[Steve Keen]

This might be a clue to the effective crash with the "Resetting..." message. I just loaded the autosave, and the data files are empty.

[High Performance Coder]

Is this still an issue? I can't seem to reproduce this - I followed your addition of a Fiat variable, ravel and plot pressed reset, and hey presto, it produced a result after about 35 seconds.

It could be in the bad old days when resets banked up that it took an age for the system to recover.

[Steve Keen]

Yes I think that fix may have eliminated this bug.