From: Oscar F. <of...@wa...> - 2002-05-23 22:07:39
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Danny Smith <dan...@ya...> writes: > --- Oscar Fuentes <of...@wa...> wrote: > Earnie Boyd > <ear...@ya...> writes: > >=20 > > [snip] > >=20 > > MinGW is actually better than MSVC in more than one way. For instance, > > only compilers with a modern EDG front-end have better C++ compliance > > than GCC 3.1. However, AFAIK there is only one of such compilers for > > Windows and its code generation needs much improvement, to say it > > diplomatically. In any case, even GCC 2.95 is far ahead of MSVC 7.0 on > > C++ compliance. > >=20 > > [snip] >=20 > Also don't forget about Fortran, ObjC, Ada. And mixed language capabilit= y. > And the opportunity to fix things you think are broken. What happens whe= n you > submit a bug report to commercial compiler maintainers? What happens when= you > submit a patch?=20 I said something about that on the msg you quoted. Whenever I tell to a Borland user that it is not rare to fix GCC/MinGW bugs the same day it is reported, they stares to me with incredulity. Borland didn't released a patch for their quite buggy C++ Builder 5 product in two years. They buried their bug reporting system somewhere in the website. Borland employees reacts defensively against those users that dare to complain in the ngs. Finally, C++ Builder 6 was released with most v5 bugs unfixed, plus some new ones. MSVC is better, but still not as good as GCC/MinGW. [sn=ECp] > > > More popularity =3D=3D more visibility =3D=3D more corporate use. So= , if you > > > speak to corporate that MinGW is a viable solution as compared to MSV= C, > > > it'll become more popular. However, are apples really oranges? > >=20 >=20 > A big "market" that no one has mentioned are students (self-taught as wel= l as > formally enrolled) and educational institutions. There is a lot of mutu= al > benefits to be gained by making mingw as accessible as possible to the > developers of the future. Yes. My "community" idea is still around. One of this days I'll write a proposal with the guidelines and netiquette. It's not an easy task as my native language is not English. Maybe I'll try posting some "advertisements" on those *.c/*.c++ ngs and mailings lists frequented by newbies. I don't know too much about Ada, Objective C or Java, so other people is needed for attending the newbies on those areas. [snip] > GCC3.1 is an amazing piece of work and the 3.x trunk is very > dynamic. Same view here. > If we get the motor tuned for mingw, I'm not going to worry too much > about the latest fashion in headlights and wing mirrors and a > temperature-controlled glove-box I've always loved Volkswagens (as > long as the heater works in winter). Well, I'm the proud owner of a Renault-5, wich is quite similar to a Volkswagen on its design rationale ;-) =20 --=20 Oscar |